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Their first time together I think will definitely be born from spontaneity. I don't believe this is something that will be meticulously planned out by either party, but will probably occur naturally. So, for instance, a session of heated kissing on the couch, looks into each others eyes, perhaps Sheldon asking Amy to stay and raising the rating from G up to R (a nice throwback to Fortification) without hesitation, and the scene ending with Sheldon taking Amy's hand and leading her into the hallway with a comment like "I hope you've washed your hands" (for the humour the show is known for).

However, after their first experience I expect Sheldon will include a new addendum in the Relationship Agreement that timetables their coitus to something ridiculous like once a week on a Monday at Sheldon's apartment with an additional session on the third Thursday of every month when date night occurs, and a session of lovemaking on birthdays and romantic holidays. This of course would leave the writers open to a scenario where Sheldon wants to break the rules because he is having a sudden urge to be with Amy. 

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I agree. I mean, she had just told him she needs a break all the while he has an engagement ring. It's a hard hit to take, and you know he was in shock. So his "what should I do with this?" was mostly just being heartbroken and confused. I think he still has every intention in the world of proposing. But first thing is that they reconcile.

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was talking about the australian promos and i dont know if i ever saw the australian promo for prom BUT LOOK AT THIS LMAAAAOOO 

 

This is hilarious! I want to see more LOL

 

Omg. I'm pissing myself laughing at these. How do they come up with this stuff!

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Sorry if this point has already been made in another thread. It just occurred to me as I was reading the discussion here so I created a account just to post it. As I was reading the taping report for 8x24, I wondered why Sheldon seemed so interested in Penny & Leonard setting a date when he's rarely interested in the minutiae of theirs (or anyone else's relationships) and then it hit me! He had engagement and marriage on the brain! He already had Amy's engagement ring, knows he's going to be popping the question soon, and he's looking at his best friends over there, engaged for a year now. So he wants to know: when are they setting a date?

I'm not worried about Shamy long-term at all. This has been a long and surprisingly delicate journey the writers have taken them on so far. I rarely trust sitcom writers to get it right, but they've managed to pleasantly surprise me over and over with their handling of Shamy. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

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After watching tonights ep again, i wonder if sheldon also bought amy's ring where Leonard bought penny's since sheldon mentioned "WE found a place online" when referring to where he bought it. Maybe he was just simply helping Leonard look for penny's ring with him but you could also read it that he was looking for his own individual ring at the same place that Leonard did, hence the 'we'. I do hope that sheldon's ring has a bit more significance though, ( maybe i've read to many fanfics but i still want it to be meemaw's ring or something haha :p).

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After watching tonights ep again, i wonder if sheldon also bought amy's ring where Leonard bought penny's since sheldon mentioned "WE found a place online" when referring to where he bought it. Maybe he was just simply helping Leonard look for penny's ring with him but you could also read it that he was looking for his own individual ring at the same place that Leonard did, hence the 'we'. I do hope that sheldon's ring has a bit more significance though, ( maybe i've read to many fanfics but i still want it to be meemaw's ring or something haha :p).

 

I don't think that's the case. When Leonard proposed to Penny he said he had been carrying the ring for a couple of years and that was season 7, so that means he got the ring back on season 5, when Sheldon had just asked Amy to be his girlfriend under the terms that nothing will change physically between them.

 

This is, of course, if the writers are fainthfull to what they've written over the years. 

 

I don't really know what to think about this, I like to think maybe Mary gave him the ring, and it makes sense. I don't actually see Sheldon buying an engagement ring just when he agreed to buy a turtle with Amy and didn't end up getting it a few episodes ago. And when Mary gave him the ring, he realized maybe it was the right time to propose, not just a possibility that might happen in like 2 or 3 years in the future.

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I don't think that's the case. When Leonard proposed to Penny he said he had been carrying the ring for a couple of years and that was season 7, so that means he got the ring back on season 5, when Sheldon had just asked Amy to be his girlfriend under the terms that nothing will change physically between them.

 

This is, of course, if the writers are fainthfull to what they've written over the years. 

 

I don't really know what to think about this, I like to think maybe Mary gave him the ring, and it makes sense. I don't actually see Sheldon buying an engagement ring just when he agreed to buy a turtle with Amy and didn't end up getting it a few episodes ago. And when Mary gave him the ring, he realized maybe it was the right time to propose, not just a possibility that might happen in like 2 or 3 years in the future.

 

I think once we see thing ring itself, we'll be able to determine if Mary played a part in it or not. If it has a classic look, there is every chance Mary passed it on to Sheldon, if it looks more modern than I'd say Sheldon took himself down to a jewelers, possibly the same place he got the pocket watch and tiara from, and picked one out. 

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I don't think that's the case. When Leonard proposed to Penny he said he had been carrying the ring for a couple of years and that was season 7, so that means he got the ring back on season 5, when Sheldon had just asked Amy to be his girlfriend under the terms that nothing will change physically between them.

 

This is, of course, if the writers are fainthfull to what they've written over the years. 

 

I don't really know what to think about this, I like to think maybe Mary gave him the ring, and it makes sense. I don't actually see Sheldon buying an engagement ring just when he agreed to buy a turtle with Amy and didn't end up getting it a few episodes ago. And when Mary gave him the ring, he realized maybe it was the right time to propose, not just a possibility that might happen in like 2 or 3 years in the future.

yea thats what i want to think too..it just made me curious given the wording of it :p 

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it was not a promise ring that a teenager would give his girlfriend. It was a full-on engagement ring with a ROW of white diamonds.

 

 

Thanks for the clarification :) Just wanted to make sure I didn't get my hopes up and it just ended up being some ring as some trinket he gives her. 

 

Had my wisdom teeth taken out today so I've had a lot of time to think about the Shamy while I recover. :p

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Sorry, haven't caught up in every single reply yet but I wanted to jump into the convo.

I am very curious about what the writers will say regarding the ring and the timeline for it. And so I will try to withhold speculation. However, I think people often underestimate Sheldon's ability to make meaningful gestures and decisions. First, he's not impulsive. So I frankly doubt that he got the ring in the panicked 24 hours during which Amy did not pick up his calls. My hunch is that he definitely had that ring on their anniversary and possibly for some time before. Secondly, while Sheldon takes forever to make a move, when he takes a decision he is all in and never looks back. It's not that difficult for me to believe that while he never really seriously thought about marriage until recently, the idea of Amy being a permanent fixture of his life has been with him for some time (indeed, even in the Mars episode, he wasn't contemplating terminating the relationship - he just assumed they would continue long distance!) and so I could see how, after Colonization, he might have started seriously "thinking a lot about their relationship" and once he decided, that was it. All in.

Whether or not he bought the ring, or got it from his mother, we will find out. I don't find it impossible to imagine he went out and bought it himself, and I actually find that scenario more satisfying than the family heirloom. Not because I am particularly interested in the idea of Sheldon perusing jewelry for his lady (boring to me), but because I can totally envision him doing that all on his own, with nobody's knowledge whatsoever, as an extremely private and important matter for him. I think there's a side of Sheldon that's very private and "sappy" in that sense (the screensaver, his Meemaw's letters) and that surprises people. I could see him going out to get a ring as just one of these situations. I'm curious to hear the writers' take on it.

As for the first time, it's too big a milestone and event for the show to get over it with a "morning after in PJs having breakfast" scene. I have the feeling that, not unlike other milestones, this is going to be the one time the show allows itself to be serious and make a big deal out of it. Just amplified even more.

eta: also, I forgot! Has everyone seen Molaro's statement about Amy and Mary? And how they definitely want to explore that dynamic in S9 and/or 10 but they didn't have time to this season? That stuff makes me so excited because it tells me the writers ARE thinking of Amy as more than just a prop sometimes and that, also, this "break" is not going to last long, since they are already thinking ahead of how to write Amy engaging with Sheldon's family.

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Have a look at Sheldon's face in this pic. Sorry about the quality, it's a shot of my tv screen, but I think this particular moment is even better than the one in the promo photo. Jim and Mayim are so brilliant.

Eta: ok, I just watched the 2-second kiss in slo-mo. I think I need help.

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I would die for interactions between these two where you see Mary handle Amy the way she handles Sheldon. Or making comments about now being blessed with a perfectly... unique daughter-in-law.

Eta: I just love how it says "The odd couple" under your screenshot, Retro! LOL

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Sorry if this point has already been made in another thread. It just occurred to me as I was reading the discussion here so I created a account just to post it. As I was reading the taping report for 8x24, I wondered why Sheldon seemed so interested in Penny & Leonard setting a date when he's rarely interested in the minutiae of theirs (or anyone else's relationships) and then it hit me! He had engagement and marriage on the brain! He already had Amy's engagement ring, knows he's going to be popping the question soon, and he's looking at his best friends over there, engaged for a year now. So he wants to know: when are they setting a date?

I'm not worried about Shamy long-term at all. This has been a long and surprisingly delicate journey the writers have taken them on so far. I rarely trust sitcom writers to get it right, but they've managed to pleasantly surprise me over and over with their handling of Shamy. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

This is what I thought as well.  

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I think it might be like that, to be honest. Also maybe he doesn't wanna steal their thunder if he pops the question while Leonard and Penny are still engaged.

 

He learns about social conventions so maybe he is interested in a possible duration of an engagement ...

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Well I have to agree with some of the posters here, it's seems to me sometime like Amy have some bipolar aspect in her personality. At the same time she needs a janitor after Leonard's "romantic" choice, other time she wants Sheldon to have similar comments. Sometimes romantic gesture is binding document and  , other time she needs classical - roses. It seems like Amy is herself confused of who she really is. Does she wants classical romance or their own kind? Or writers just still don't know what to do with them ? Because it sometimes feels to me like they have problem with really establish their relationship on stable basis. Maybe there are still ambivalent visions among the writers. But maybe It's intention to let Amy be more unbalanced person, or like koops said, they just can't help to throw some stereotype in the mix. One way or the other, there's no wonder Sheldon still can't understand her completely, or predict her reactions if, even we can't. He has difficult woman to solve indeed. 

 

Yes, I think the writers did not really manage to maintain consistency in her personality. And as there are several writers, it seems that depending they each have their opinion on how she should react. That's why even though I love shamy, Amy is not my favorite character.

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My hunch is that he definitely had that ring on their anniversary and possibly for some time before. Secondly, while Sheldon takes forever to make a move, when he takes a decision he is all in and never looks back. It's not that difficult for me to believe that while he never really seriously thought about marriage until recently, the idea of Amy being a permanent fixture of his life has been with him for some time (indeed, even in the Mars episode, he wasn't contemplating terminating the relationship - he just assumed they would continue long distance!) and so I could see how, after Colonization, he might have started seriously "thinking a lot about their relationship" and once he decided, that was it. All in.

 

 

And in the episode when he said to the guys they must talk about financial investment (about comics store) with their wife or fiancé. When he talks to Amy about this, in my opinion he already shows he wants to marry her.

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And in the episode when he said to the guys they must talk about financial investment (about comics store) with their wife or fiancé. When he talks to Amy about this, in my opinion he already shows he wants to marry her.

One of those rare instances where Sheldon played the straight man. Considering he's the "single" guy in that scene, he thought of finances in a long term, especially since Wolowitz (who is married) and Leonard (who is engaged) didn't factor in the wife and fiancee respectively when the idea to invest money in Stuart's comic book store came up.

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To be honest, I don't think Amy is the only character where the writers struggle to maintain consistency. I mean, do we want to talk about how Penny went from an innocent Nebraskan girl who was heartbroken over being cheated on by her long-term boyfriend to, apparently, an alcoholic and promiscuous woman who sleeps with invisible men (because we never ever see these guys?). I think it's an issue with female characters in general on this show. The guys are written more consistently, and I wonder whether there's really some struggle on the part of the writers to write female characters consistently in the long term.

 

Another thing about Shamy and long-term commitment is the fact that, apparently, the RA "covers a wide array of scenarios, such as career changes and financial instability". I think it's actually very interesting that Shamy at some point sat down and discussed how career changes or financial issues might affect them as a couple and what they would do if they were faced with those scenarios. Obviously, though, there are still gaps in what the RA covers, since intelligent dog uprising is contemplated but Mars applications aren't :p I do take that the RA is a constant work-in-progress though, and I think it still speaks of a high level of commitment to the other that they would try to include those big life issues in it, even if, at the time, stuff like marriage or long-term future plans were not yet contemplated.

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To be honest, I don't think Amy is the only character where the writers struggle to maintain consistency. I mean, do we want to talk about how Penny went from an innocent Nebraskan girl who was heartbroken over being cheated on by her long-term boyfriend to, apparently, an alcoholic and promiscuous woman who sleeps with invisible men (because we never ever see these guys?). I think it's an issue with female characters in general on this show. The guys are written more consistently, and I wonder whether there's really some struggle on the part of the writers to write female characters consistently in the long term.

 

Another thing about Shamy and long-term commitment is the fact that, apparently, the RA "covers a wide array of scenarios, such as career changes and financial instability". I think it's actually very interesting that Shamy at some point sat down and discussed how career changes or financial issues might affect them as a couple and what they would do if they were faced with those scenarios. Obviously, though, there are still gaps in what the RA covers, since intelligent dog uprising is contemplated but Mars applications aren't :p I do take that the RA is a constant work-in-progress though, and I think it still speaks of a high level of commitment to the other that they would try to include those big life issues in it, even if, at the time, stuff like marriage or long-term future plans were not yet contemplated.

 

 

Heehee to the bolded bit! I remember cocking my head at the Mars colonisation episode and thinking 'hang on- there's nothing in the RelAg about this? Do the ShAmy really think that an intelligent dog uprising is a likelier contingency than space exploration? With an astrophysicist and a space explorer in their circle of friends?'

 

It's not really a criticism. For all I know, the ShAmy think that an intelligent dog uprising is imminent!

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So I took (finally) a moment to think and talk about the ring. First I was too shocked, but now, while having a moment to think about it I would actually say it makes a lot of sense. I agree Sheldon is very private person. I think there is big truth in his statement "When I have a feeling, I know it." But I would also add "but I  don't have a need to shout it to the world. " I think he tends to embrace the feelings, prepare himself for the consequences internally and then act on them. I think it reflect in all of their big steps. RA as we know was presented for how long after he asked her? One hour, two? It seems like he had the document prepared because he knew it will come, he just didn't have a real reason to apply it.Same while Penny asked him if he will have sex with Amy. He didn't acted in denial, ridicule the idea or tell Penny she should care about her own nether regions. He took the thought seriously, and it did seemed like he had it well thought out already. Ily made Amy panic, but it also seemed like calm Sheldon knew for some time, he just choice to not tell. Why would he even? To tell your girlfriend you love her just because you do...well isn't that a little hippy? ;)

And here we are seeing engagement ring. Sheldon claimed many times already she is, in fact permanent part of his world as was said here. After all there is agreement in which is stated they will stay together  under every possible circumstances,  and even living on two different planets by Sheldon still doesn't change a thing. As his choice was made, it's only logical to prepare. There is big question of what really marriage, as an institution means for him. If he would even needed it, if it wasn't for social obligation which is expected after this kind of choice.Or maybe, if he didn't expect Amy needs it. 

Amy and Sheldon still claimed to be together for five years, even while they are dating just for three and a half. I think his decision to get married could have relation with his decision to made her his GF. Even while for Sheldon it was already relationship, he understood Amy wanted to have some kind of proof, and I think he somehow knows now, that there will be a time he will need to give her a gesture that will prove this choice as well. I can even see a scenario where Amy briefly mention the marriage and he will just pull the ring out with something like "Great, here's the ring, are you free tomorrow?"  ... not very romantic I know, but that's exactly the reaction I'm expecting. Because I don't think he sees the proposal as such a big deal as the choice itself and a ring is his way of preparation. After all to be prepared is significant for him...So here he is, having a ring, waiting for the time he will need it, even if it's not today, it's important to be prepared for every scenario isn't it? ;)

So that was my two cents I have to get off my chest. Cookie for everyone who made it to the end.  :p

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