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To be honest, I don't think Amy is the only character where the writers struggle to maintain consistency. I mean, do we want to talk about how Penny went from an innocent Nebraskan girl who was heartbroken over being cheated on by her long-term boyfriend to, apparently, an alcoholic and promiscuous woman who sleeps with invisible men (because we never ever see these guys?). I think it's an issue with female characters in general on this show. The guys are written more consistently, and I wonder whether there's really some struggle on the part of the writers to write female characters consistently in the long term.

Another thing about Shamy and long-term commitment is the fact that, apparently, the RA "covers a wide array of scenarios, such as career changes and financial instability". I think it's actually very interesting that Shamy at some point sat down and discussed how career changes or financial issues might affect them as a couple and what they would do if they were faced with those scenarios. Obviously, though, there are still gaps in what the RA covers, since intelligent dog uprising is contemplated but Mars applications aren't :p I do take that the RA is a constant work-in-progress though, and I think it still speaks of a high level of commitment to the other that they would try to include those big life issues in it, even if, at the time, stuff like marriage or long-term future plans were not yet contemplated.

That Molaro interview and quote made my whole day and took away all the lingering jitters I had about this break situation. I never doubted how much TPTB love Shamy and want to see them grow together (one only has to look at season 8 for evidence of that). But Molaro's comment makes it very clear that they have a longterm vision for how this plays out, one that does include interaction with Sheldon's mom which would only really make sense as they continue to get closer. If I wasn't excited before I sure as hell am now

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So I took (finally) a moment to think and talk about the ring. First I was too shocked, but now, while having a moment to think about it I would actually say it makes a lot of sense. I agree Sheldon is very private person. I think there is big truth in his statement "When I have a feeling, I know it." But I would also add "but I  don't have a need to shout it to the world. " I think he tends to embrace the feelings, prepare himself for the consequences internally and then act on them. I think it reflect in all of their big steps. RA as we know was presented for how long after he asked her? One hour, two? It seems like he had the document prepared because he knew it will come, he just didn't have a real reason to apply it.Same while Penny asked him if he will have sex with Amy. He didn't acted in denial, ridicule the idea or tell Penny she should care about her own nether regions. He took the thought seriously, and it did seemed like he had it well thought out already. Ily made Amy panic, but it also seemed like calm Sheldon knew for some time, he just choice to not tell. Why would he even? To tell your girlfriend you love her just because you do...well isn't that a little hippy? ;)

And here we are seeing engagement ring. Sheldon claimed many times already she is, in fact permanent part of his world as was said here. After all there is agreement in which is stated they will stay together  under every possible circumstances,  and even living on two different planets by Sheldon still doesn't change a thing. As his choice was made, it's only logical to prepare. There is big question of what really marriage, as an institution means for him. If he would even needed it, if it wasn't for social obligation which is expected after this kind of choice.Or maybe, if he didn't expect Amy needs it. 

Amy and Sheldon still claimed to be together for five years, even while they are dating just for three and a half. I think his decision to get married could have relation with his decision to made her his GF. Even while for Sheldon it was already relationship, he understood Amy wanted to have some kind of proof, and I think he somehow knows now, that there will be a time he will need to give her a gesture that will prove this choice as well. I can even see a scenario where Amy briefly mention the marriage and he will just pull the ring out with something like "Great, here's the ring, are you free tomorrow?"  ... not very romantic I know, but that's exactly the reaction I'm expecting. Because I don't think he sees the proposal as such a big deal as the choice itself and a ring is his way of preparation. After all to be prepared is significant for him...So here he is, having a ring, waiting for the time he will need it, even if it's not today, it's important to be prepared for every scenario isn't it? ;)

So that was my two cents I have to get off my chest. Cookie for everyone who made it to the end.  :p

 

Agreed! But, you know.... While that's the way I had always envisioned a proposal, if it ever came, the fact that he (apparently) had that ring on their anniversary now is kind of throwing a spanner in my concept of Sheldon as someone who would never propose the traditional way. But it seems like he was going to do just that, and on their anniversary no less. At this stage, I'm literally throwing the towel on speculating about how that will happen, because I did not see this one coming.

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Agreed! But, you know.... While that's the way I had always envisioned a proposal, if it ever came, the fact that he (apparently) had that ring on their anniversary now is kind of throwing a spanner in my concept of Sheldon as someone who would never propose the traditional way. But it seems like he was going to do just that, and on their anniversary no less. At this stage, I'm literally throwing the towel on speculating about how that will happen, because I did not see this one coming.

Well, my towel lies right next to yours. I didn't see it coming either.  In my speculations there also never were Shamy who would follow the sex after marriage concept, and now it seems like as good prediction as any. So no. I'm done with predicting - I suck in it.

I hope this year Comic Con will gave us some answers... we need at least ten people there to ask the right ones :icon_cheesygrin:  

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Agreed! But, you know.... While that's the way I had always envisioned a proposal, if it ever came, the fact that he (apparently) had that ring on their anniversary now is kind of throwing a spanner in my concept of Sheldon as someone who would never propose the traditional way. But it seems like he was going to do just that, and on their anniversary no less. At this stage, I'm literally throwing the towel on speculating about how that will happen, because I did not see this one coming.

 

Here's a thought: unless I'm missing something, all we know is that he had a ring on their anniversary. That's a strong indicator that he's going to propose marriage to Amy, yes, but we don't know when he was going to do it, no? You're right that the presence of the blingy ring suggests that Sheldon's sappy streak is surfacing, and that may well suggest that he was going to propose on their anniversary. But it could be another date that's meaningful to them in some other way.

 

 

So I took (finally) a moment to think and talk about the ring. First I was too shocked, but now, while having a moment to think about it I would actually say it makes a lot of sense. I agree Sheldon is very private person. I think there is big truth in his statement "When I have a feeling, I know it." But I would also add "but I  don't have a need to shout it to the world. " I think he tends to embrace the feelings, prepare himself for the consequences internally and then act on them. I think it reflect in all of their big steps. RA as we know was presented for how long after he asked her? One hour, two? It seems like he had the document prepared because he knew it will come, he just didn't have a real reason to apply it.Same while Penny asked him if he will have sex with Amy. He didn't acted in denial, ridicule the idea or tell Penny she should care about her own nether regions. He took the thought seriously, and it did seemed like he had it well thought out already. Ily made Amy panic, but it also seemed like calm Sheldon knew for some time, he just choice to not tell. Why would he even? To tell your girlfriend you love her just because you do...well isn't that a little hippy? ;)

 

 

Yes! That's something for which I'll have the give writers (and JP) kudos. There's a sort of calm fervour about Sheldon's declaration that is just impossibly moving. I said before that he sounded wonderstruck, as though he'd spotted a new planet- that he'd made an immense discovery, something rare and precious. But the calm said 'Oh, that's what this feeling is. I see now.' He was freaking out about having sex with Amy, not about loving her- that he'd recognised and not only accepted, but embraced. But having embraced it, he was in no haste to 'proclaim' it. His love, and his knowledge- well, what did they change, really? It was only when Amy was bracing herself to make her own declaration that he said 'Oh, well, of course, me too. It's a relief, eh? I thought it was stomach cancer.'

 

And, wonderfully, Amy still hasn't said it! Sometimes, writers, I have to give you props.

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Sheldon does love 'preparedness' .... he was prepared with the R.A. before he asked Amy.... he is prepared now. (and since he is a main character and not a subordinate... he shall have his Amy!  - in more than one way ;)  ) 

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I am still wondering what would happenned if Mayim would has been in the Mom´s episode. We all know she was not there because her dad´s death, but   Do you think the episode has been changed a little because of her absent?

I think her meeting with Mary was originally written for that episode,(may be a light one) and then skipped  because Amy was not able to be there, and Mary was not able to be in the next episode.

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Here's a thought: unless I'm missing something, all we know is that he had a ring on their anniversary. That's a strong indicator that he's going to propose marriage to Amy, yes, but we don't know when he was going to do it, no? You're right that the presence of the blingy ring suggests that Sheldon's sappy streak is surfacing, and that may well suggest that he was going to propose on their anniversary. But it could be another date that's meaningful to them in some other way.

Yes! That's something for which I'll have the give writers (and JP) kudos. There's a sort of calm fervour about Sheldon's declaration that is just impossibly moving. I said before that he sounded wonderstruck, as though he'd spotted a new planet- that he'd made an immense discovery, something rare and precious. But the calm said 'Oh, that's what this feeling is. I see now.' He was freaking out about having sex with Amy, not about loving her- that he'd recognised and not only accepted, but embraced. But having embraced it, he was in no haste to 'proclaim' it. His love, and his knowledge- well, what did they change, really? It was only when Amy was bracing herself to make her own declaration that he said 'Oh, well, of course, me too. It's a relief, eh? I thought it was stomach cancer.'

And, wonderfully, Amy still hasn't said it! Sometimes, writers, I have to give you props.

Actually, Amy HAS said it....cold open of the XMAS episode.

Sheldon - "Why do you hate me?"

Amy - "I don't hate you. I love you."

Sheldon - "Well, you call it love but it has a lot of raisins in it."

And as far as WHY Sheldon didn't tell Amy that he loves her sooner? I think he was afraid once she knew he loved her, why wait to have sex and that's something he's not ready for yet. Once she took the pressure off, he had no problem telling her.

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@Susana. I don't think so. I think this episode was specifically written for Christine and Laurie. The rest of the characters are just window dressing. I think Amy wasn't going to have a major role regardless.

As for the marriage before sex thing, Tallin, I actually thought briefly back in S6 that Sheldon might propose before even kissing her. I could have seen the writers pull a shock like that. I think it was one of my speculations for the VDay episode that we knew was going to have some big Shamy event (which we now know was the kiss that they took out). But I still stand by my case that I doubt if Shamy have sex after marriage it will be your standard "marriage before sex" story. The reasons for delaying sex are very different here.

@wow. Agreed. I don't know either that he was going to propose on their anniversary as opposed to some other time. I think I'm 50/50 on that at the moment. Until the writers tell me otherwise. But, yep, regardless of when he was going to do it, he has obviously made up his mind.

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Actually, Amy HAS said it....cold open of the XMAS episode.

Sheldon - "Why do you hate me?"

Amy - "I don't hate you. I love you."

Sheldon - "Well, you call it love but it has a lot of raisins in it."

 

 

 

Ah, of course! (shakes head at self) 

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To be honest, I don't think Amy is the only character where the writers struggle to maintain consistency. I mean, do we want to talk about how Penny went from an innocent Nebraskan girl who was heartbroken over being cheated on by her long-term boyfriend to, apparently, an alcoholic and promiscuous woman who sleeps with invisible men (because we never ever see these guys?). I think it's an issue with female characters in general on this show. The guys are written more consistently, and I wonder whether there's really some struggle on the part of the writers to write female characters consistently in the long term.

 

Another thing about Shamy and long-term commitment is the fact that, apparently, the RA "covers a wide array of scenarios, such as career changes and financial instability". I think it's actually very interesting that Shamy at some point sat down and discussed how career changes or financial issues might affect them as a couple and what they would do if they were faced with those scenarios. Obviously, though, there are still gaps in what the RA covers, since intelligent dog uprising is contemplated but Mars applications aren't :p I do take that the RA is a constant work-in-progress though, and I think it still speaks of a high level of commitment to the other that they would try to include those big life issues in it, even if, at the time, stuff like marriage or long-term future plans were not yet contemplated.

 

 

Yes, I agree Amy is not the only one, and there are also the girls. Mainly Bernie, she changes a lot since the first time we meet her. Even if first she could be shy, sometimes some storylines about her are not very consistent.
 
But with Amy, I am tired, even if she has good reason, that she reacts the same way the others react with Sheldon. I prefer when they are on "the same page", the same weird point of view, when they are the only ones to understand each others with complicity.
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I really do think it possible that Amy was originally intended to be in the scene with the mothers--not in any major role, but just sort of sitting there befuddled like Penny.  Imagine that moment when Mary tells Penny to be quiet so she can have at Beverly, and Penny meekly leans back into the sofa.  Double that effect with both Penny and Amy leaning back into the sofa together with that wide-eyed glare as their (we hope) future mothers-in-law go at it.

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@Susana. I don't think so. I think this episode was specifically written for Christine and Laurie. The rest of the characters are just window dressing. I think Amy wasn't going to have a major role regardless.

 

 

Agreed. I'd enjoy watching LM/CB and MB play off each other, but I'd like their interactions to breathe, not compete with a storyline about Sheldon versus Leonard's upbringings and Beverley's introspection about that. That last sentence sounded dismissive of the mothers plotline, which is not what I meant! I simply meant that I appreciated the writers' decision to pare down the number of storylines this week to give each one some space.

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As long as they don't cut any of it out, I would say it lasted a good 10 seconds or more.  The audience cheered and screamed, and then we started cheering and screaming some more, because that kiss was STILL going.  ;D

 

You're right! They just kept going. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up that it will be super long and then they cut it down to 3 seconds, haha. But they definitely kissed for awhile, and I don't think it was just because the audience was screaming too long.

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You're right! They just kept going. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up that it will be super long and then they cut it down to 3 seconds, haha. But they definitely kissed for awhile, and I don't think it was just because the audience was screaming too long.

 

No, I for sure think that it was because that was how long they meant for it to be.  Hopefully they won't cut any of it down.  I think with having to wait ALL season for a kiss, paired with the fact that we have this emotional ending/cliffhanger for them which we have to wait for FOUR months to see resolved, they will be nice to us and leave in the whole thing.  Fingers crossed!

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You're right! They just kept going. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up that it will be super long and then they cut it down to 3 seconds, haha. But they definitely kissed for awhile, and I don't think it was just because the audience was screaming too long.

I think they will make it clear that it's a "make-out" (given Sheldon's line about necking like teenage hoodlums under the bleachers, lol).

10 seconds sure sounds good to me.

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Just a question about the Shamy kiss for those who attended the finale taping: I'm not expecting a tonsil hockey, but it looks to me they still have their mouths closed. Is it or isn't it a closed mouth kiss? I think that kiss has to be closed mouth because of my homegirl Mayim's Orthodox background or something related to that? I was kinda expecting a little lip nibbling.

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Just a question about the Shamy kiss for those who attended the finale taping: I'm not expecting a tonsil hockey, but it looks to me they still have their mouths closed. Is it or isn't it a closed mouth kiss? I think that kiss has to be closed mouth because of my homegirl Mayim's Orthodox background or something related to that? I was kinda expecting a little lip nibbling.

 

This is a hard one to answer, because none of us looked at the screens while they were kissing, which would have shown us their mouths closer up.  We were too glued to the set.  We've been debating it, but at the very least, there WAS mouth movement, which did make it look like it was a deeper kiss.  If anyone else has more clarification, I'm sure they'll share, but I can't be totally certain.

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I thought Shelly's story about puberty was really funny... :)

 

(This is from yesterday's ep)

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I thought Shelly's story about puberty was really funny... :)

 

(This is from yesterday's ep)

 

No matter how hard you clench, you can't keep your testicles from descending... LOL!

 

As for the closed-mouth question, I couldn't see it very clearly in everyone's video clips, but it did look to me as they pulled away as if they were kissing with closed mouths.  Even if they were moving their lips or their mouths around, it could be that they were keeping their mouths closed.  Usually when they're trying to show that a couple is French kissing, they make a point of showing them opening their mouths or moving their jaws or whatever.

 

Of course, I didn't see the actuall kissing scene, so it will have to wait until the episode airs, but that promo kiss looked like it was still close-mouthed.

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Rewatching The Maternal Combustion for the nth time.

 

Amy will have one heck of a mother-in-law in Mary Cooper - a lady with a good combination of sweet and sass. I liked that bit where she tells Penny to stay out of the heated exchange between her and Dr. Beverley Hofstadter. Looking forward to seeing Mary share new/old/tried-and-tested tips and tricks on how Amy can reel in Sheldon when he's being.. Sheldon.

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