Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[Judge-Apatow]

And did anyone notice the way Amy was patting Sheldon's arm? It was so affectionate and gentle. Another good actor's choice.

[puremorning]

And did anyone notice the way Amy was patting Sheldon's arm? It was so affectionate and gentle. Another good actor's choice.

God yes she was so in love and happy

[A Shamy gal]

And did anyone notice the way Amy was patting Sheldon's arm? It was so affectionate and gentle. Another good actor's choice.

I've only seen some clips so far, but what I noticed most about Amy keeping both her hands on Sheldon, was how happy and comfortable he was with it.

Edited May 8, 2015 by A Shamy gal

[fitzsimmons]

Well, my HUSBAND was bummed out for Shamy after watching the finale, which is definitely saying something. He's a huge fan of the show and likes Shamy but doesn't get invested the way I do. Kudos to Jim and Mayim for their great acting.

I wanted to point out something from the interviews Vonmar posted:

Glamour: That opening scene with Sheldon and Amy...I seriously thought I was seeing things!

Steve Molaro: [Laughs] This is probably their third or fourth time kissing. There’s been date nights where they’ve kissed before, but to see it like this is certainly a step forward I think.

Glamour: There seemed to be more passion behind this one.

Steve: It’s a tiny moment, but when Sheldon leans in to start again, I think that’s extremely telling. She stops him because of what he says about watching The Flash, but he was about to start it up again. It’s small, but it’s really interesting.

They are still invested in moving these two forward. If there are any doubts, take comfort in the above. Also, Molaro seems to be driving my point home that Sheldon is starting to wake up physically. He's going to tell Amy he desires her in season 9 and knock her off her feet!

 

I've been thinking about that moment a lot. Because it means two very big-deal things.

 

For Sheldon, it means that he wasn't actually distracted at all. He asks what she thinks about watching the Flash, but the answer doesn't really matter. Amy doesn't give him one. And rather than press her for an answer (which he would do if it was truly important to him) he just says, "Anyway..." and leans back in to kiss her. So what that tells me is that (like Leonard in the car with Penny on the way to Vegas), he was looking for an excuse to sabotage. I think he's either scared or nervous or just plain unsure about how to proceed in this relationship. And whether he did so consciously or not is unknown to me, but it's becoming clear that interrupting the kiss to talk about something he knows Amy doesn't care about was his way of putting on the brakes. He looks and seems happy and comfortable, but I think somewhere inside of him, he's still not ready.

 

And for Amy, her stopping the kiss means that for her, it's never been about the physical intimacy. Because if that's all she cared about, she wouldn't have stopped his advances. She would have just run with it and hoped it led somewhere bigger. But Amy stopped a kiss. I think that's huge for her. And for us to realize that while she does want and enjoy those things, it's never been about that. It's about Sheldon being as interested in the relationship as she is. It's about Sheldon working as hard on this relationship as she is. We can argue until the cows come home about whether or not he does and he is, but to Amy, it doesn't feel even. It feels unbalanced. She feels like she's putting up 90 percent and he's putting up ten. Is that the case? It doesn't matter, that's not up for us to decide. But for Amy, she's exhausted. And she's flown so high this season with him, it only gives her farther to fall. Which is exactly what happens when he asks her about television in the middle of their fifth year anniversary. It's because they've been so happy this season and have made so much progress that it makes it that much worse for her when she feels unseen by him. She doesn't just want physical intimacy. She proved that by stopping the kiss. What she wants is his attention.

 

Honestly, that three second moment is my favorite in the whole episode. There's just so much behind it.

Edited May 8, 2015 by MichyGeary

[tmp]

I can't stop watching Sheldon trying to go back in for more kissing.

[Bavarian ShamyShipper Girl]

So, now I'm informed as well. Kinda ice bucket challenge.

I liked so much sheldon wanting to continue their making-out. It proved that he feels very comfortable with kissing amy and wants more of it. Regarding his opinion about kissing before his experiences with amy, makes clear that he has all the options to enjoy a physical relationsship. In this moment that seems even more possible than that he gives himself complete to amy emotional, to have her in his focus. (Oh, bad English, hope it's understandable what I mean). Because that is amy's point. She has the feeling that she is not seen enough by sheldon. She feels that she is just making sheldons life more comfortable, but he isn't saying a full open serious "Yes, I see you in your whole personality, which I respect und like." It's like he never did take her feelings serious (enough). Even to by her a ring and to marry her seems more intended to make his own life comfortable than hers. For me, that's the point.

 

Please, don't misunderstand. I like Sheldon very much. It's not his fault, his has just not yet developed so far, and he has good reasons therefore in his biography. Now is the moment to take a step into a new, deeper quality of connection to amy. Pun not intended, it's not meant physically. I mean, now the way is open for a relationship, in which Sheldon no longer loves Amy as a child loves somebody, but really sees Amy in and loves her for her full personality, as she does with him. Grown up. Not any more wanting Amy, because just he feels so comfortable with her. Because then it's still just about him, not about her.

 

By the way, congratulation to the writers, who managed to make sheldon's development from "no touching, kissing is unhygienic" to "I enjoy kissing und want more of it" believable, without loosing his special character.

 

Them to pause their relationsship ist hard to bear, but it wouldn't be so hard if 9 x 1 came earlier, maybe just in a week as usual between two episodes. One the other hand, due to the long hiatus, it's more weighty. I hope what I write is not only crap, it's just my try to cope with the ache, and make it kinda sweet ache.

Oh, oh, I'm writing and writing, but I should already be away and buy the food for the weakend... waah.      Edit: WEEKend! Although, WEAKend somehow fits as well.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Bavarian ShamyShipper Girl

[dana1010]

Well.............I died!

 

I don't even know what to think! My brain is going a mile a minute. I can't even process anything.

 

I seriously need help ASAP!

 

[Bavarian ShamyShipper Girl]

Hier in Bayern kommts um 2 in der Früh raus sag mal von wo in Bayern bist du? Ich wohne in Niederbayern

Inviato dal mio iPad utilizzando Tapatalk

Ich bin aus Oberbayern. Erweiterter südwestlicher Münchner Speckgürtel. Find' den Smiley ned den ich suche. Den du hast.

[rachelshamyfan]

The end scene just about near breaks my heart

Both of them are sad, then Sheldon after Amy cut the call is looking around like how is in shock before the ring/gollum stuff

https://36.media.tumblr.com/6460ccbfca29cd38165824e55a43c1dd/tumblr_no0k3b2hIQ1uqt7zno1_400.jpg

A close up of the ring

Edited May 8, 2015 by rachelshamyfan

[mothandfire]

I'm not worried. I like a little angst. Especially if it gives Sheldon impetus to be more affectionate and forthcoming towards Amy. I'm under the impression that the season premiere will pick up where it left off and Lenny will turn around to help Sheldon and Amy in whatever way they can.

Completely agree! This was exactly what I was thinking ever since reading the taping report.

After watching the episode and the two interviews of Molaro, I'm really excited right now.  

Sheldon's negative feelings always ignite his repressed drive of urges and pent-up emotions. It's the finest and most logical way to speed up the Shamy's consummation.

Like many here has mentioned, It's good to see the role reverse, and I can't wait to see Sheldon wooing Amy. Bring it on,writers!

Edited May 8, 2015 by mothandfire

[rachelshamyfan]

Maybe the shamy annual "state of relationship" summit can have emergency meetings

[Retroluv]

Anyone else notice the way Sheldon kind of rolls his shoulder during the kiss? S.E.X.Y.

And I will never hear/think about the word "anyway" the same way again. Props to Jim for bringing some subtle heat to that scene. That man is a master of body language and subtext.

[CentralPerk]

Like I though, I almost cry, and I am still upset, even if the end is intended positive with Sheldon's intention of wanting to propose to her.

 

I just noted, although it has certainly been said here before (I have not read all your comments yet), the smile he has when he says "not just any date night, our 5th anniversary" if only Amy could see that same enthusiasm !

[koops]

Mayim and Jim made some very interesting and meaningful acting choices in this one, no doubt. My favorite, I think, is how he sits staring at the screen like she's still there and like he wants to say something to her, long after she's hung up. And, of course, caressing the box with his thumb. All I could think about is here is someone who is left helpless as he watches "his one chance at true love potentially disappear forever". Even though I really don't think this was a breakup, Sheldon knows that's one of the things she will be considering. And the more I think about it, the more I can't see the show going there because I honestly think that would break him for good and forever, given how invested he is, and it would be hard for me to buy a reconciliation after he knows Amy could just get up and leave him at any point he falls behind.

To be honest, watching the episode I do get Amy's distress over the Flash line a lot more. I think it's understandable why she would feel completely deflated, not so much by the question, but by his implying that he's only thinking about her in the context of television. However I really did not like how she shoved the issue of commitment in his face. I don't think that dialogue was elegant at all. One can say many things about Sheldon but I think to bring his commitment to her into question, and especially this year, is kind of absurd. Especially when a connection is more or less subtly made between physical intimacy being the one sign of commitment. He might lack in that area, but I don't think it was very elegant to say "all I've got out of you was a distracted makeout session" like that's an indication of the level of commitment a person has. I know that's not really what they wanted to imply, but I still didn't find the dialogue very elegant.

What I love, however, is that that moment where he wants to lean in again and keep going which all of us made a big deal out of, is indeed a big deal for the writers and was indeed put there for a reason. I do think that's the physical equivalent of the ring's symbolism for emotional commitment. That's the physical commitment sign right there. Sheldon is all in, slowly as he might move, and now the challenge is to get Amy to understand that. I think like her own mind is going at 3000 miles an hour now and is struggling to make sense of it all. But she needs to stop making assumptions and have a honest conversation with him about her fears and doubts.

[Little Miss Purple]

Watching the finale right before you go to class:Not adviced!!

 

My poor,poor Sheldon!His last shot broke my heart

[mothandfire]

Anyone else notice the way Sheldon kind of rolls his shoulder during the kiss? S.E.X.Y.

And I will never hear/think about the word "anyway" the same way again. Props to Jim for bringing some subtle heat to that scene. That man is a master of body language and subtext.

You're not th only one, I noticed that subtle physical expression during watching the promo video. That petty action was so telling, It indicates how mush Sheldon's invested in that kiss, as if his urges just emerged to surface at that moment.

[kelliluvtbbt]

.............

 

http://michygeary.tumblr.com/post/118412761983/sheldon-x-amy-girl-go-home

 

.......... *runs*

just drive the stake further into my heart why don't you! ( beautiful ) 

[tmp]

I think watching The Flash was a metaphor for marrying Amy.  They're kissing passionately and suddenly he's thinking about making this big commitment. The writers made it clear twice it was a big commitment to start watching The Flash, and he would remain committed to it for the full run, even if the quality declined.  Even if I hadn't been spoiled, I would have spotted that line as being essentially "for better or for worse" and realized that on some level he was thinking about marrying Amy.

[stardustmelody]

I think watching The Flash was a metaphor for marrying Amy.  They're kissing passionately and suddenly he's thinking about making this big commitment. The writers made it clear twice it was a big commitment to start watching The Flash, and he would remain committed to it for the full run, even if the quality declined.  Even if I hadn't been spoiled, I would have spotted that line as being essentially "for better or for worse" and realized that on some level he was thinking about marrying Amy.

 

Agree.

[kerrycec03]

Ok well that overall played out even more emotional than I had thought.  Here are some of my subtle pick-ups that I think speak volumes

 

And seriously major kudos to Jim.  His non-verbal acting is amazing and having him bring so much out with non-verbal stuff is HUGE

 

1. Clear as day Sheldon is into kissing.  His "Anyways" line which is perfect when he goes in for more to me it is a very VERY typical guy reaction.... He is making out, mind drifts, but who cares, lets get back at it.  And since its a very typical guy "anyways" line its more evidence that he was having a very traditional guy reaction to the make-out.  He liked it, wanted more, and lets do this attitude.  Not saying all guys...but some miss what will really get a woman's motor runnning (sorry for a blunt statement but you guys know what I mean)

2. To the above point...whether it was intended or not, he killed the mood.  But for a guy like Sheldon dirty-talk would be seeing Amy into academic or science fiction or TV shows.  The sultry way he says "should I start watching the Flash"...if she would have answered that would have been the ultimate forplay for him!!  

3. I think watching the episode one could TOTALLY now understand Amy's frustrations.  He discussed the commitment for a TV show with more passion than a commitment to her & theirs.  Not to say he isn't committed, but he has never done so in the same way.  That would sting.

4. The fact that Sheldon says "I'm happy for you two" after Lenny decides to go to Vegas....Sheldon has accepted Lenny will be moving on, leaving, and no stomping the big baby's feet here....so yea, to me THIS line is the clue that he's moved on from them...which is very important

5. The skype call, even to the end its like you want to smack him across the face.  He still doesn't imagine a world without her, to the point he says "I disagree but go on" after she says how challenging it is, and how physically & emotionally exhuasted she is...

6. And lastly.  Amy looks so burned out.  Great scene.  She's shot...and rightfully so.  Probably spent the last 24 hours crying wondering WTF...and just done..

7. Felt more like a break up...but whether its a breathing period or a break up...I think its just verbage for them because neither of them are going to go out for a drunk night, hook up or anything like that.  

8. Jim's acting when he closes the laptop and looks around.  At that moment Sheldon is FINALLY truly alone...for the first time ever...no Lenny, no Mommy, no Amy... I think the fact that Lenny are gone is poinegent again.  He was ready to let them go with Amy being there to catch him...but nadda.  He really never thought she'd leave.  

9. The ring...the holding of the ring, the finger on the box.  So powerful!!  I still cannot function from that

 

Also, as a tone, I did NOT get the feeling Amy feels unattractive and is unsure of his physical feelings.  I know a lot of us were thinking that before airing.  When she stopped the kiss to Koops point, that was a clear point that she is NOT only interesting in getting physical.  She wants him in 100% with her being #1 on his mind and letting her know that yes, she is #1 and wants a solid growing future.

 

The ring is a symbol that Sheldon is ready....NOT ready to propose (and I so pray this does NOT happen in the early season 9 episodes--I want him to prove to Amy her value a bit AND I think he'd be a bit gun shy now knowing she isn't a solid 100% yes) BUT he is ready to live together, have sex, possibly kids...but he is on board, thought about this, and has said ok.

 

Sheldon is NOT impulsive.  I think he's had the ring since his train trip back.  Like the ILY, he knew for quite some time.  He is kinda the opposite of Leonard who wears his heart on his sleeve.  If you don't pry Sheldon open, you'll never know. 

 

So again, we've gotten pretty decent overall Molaro's interviews to put my mind at ease as we head into season 9.  This will all work out and needed to happen just like his train trip.  Sheldon needs to make Amy #1.  And let her know & feel it.
 

[rachelshamyfan]

The way Mayim did the Skype scene was perfect, with her emotions probably already high with the recent passing of her father, that probably helped her to get to the point the producers wanted for the scene

[Dannii]

Kerry is right I think.

Thank you for writing your thoughts down.

[kelliluvtbbt]

the acting on both Jim and Mayim's part was..... excellent.

they hit those emotions so hard. those subtle facial expressions speak volumes for a character... especially one like Sheldon.

i can't wait till season 9 to see how this plays out.

i believe the season will pick up a day or two after the finale. it faded suddenly as if to say...to be continued.  

they also edited out almost all the background noise for the kiss and the tag. dramactic effect indeed!

[koops]

One thing I’m really surprised some online reviews are missing is the huge importance of the ring. I think a lot of them, probably because they watch tons of shows and they all kind of blur together, the ring is just a detail or a contrived plot device to have a big shocker. I completely disagree and I think the reason they feel that way is that they only look at it as the symbol of an engagement and something that’s pretty standard for romance on tv. I think the ring, and the timing we find out about it, is of massive importance in the context of the story and it represents way more than “Sheldon was planning to propose”. It represents commitment and it represents that Sheldon wants the same things out of the relationship that Amy wants. He’s just incapable or not ready to express it out loud quite yet. 

 

The way I think about it is: if the ring had not been there, the episode would have ended with Sheldon sitting there, looking miserable, and merely reacting to Amy taking charge of where the relationship is going. But the ring being there already BEFORE Sheldon knew Amy was *that* upset, BEFORE he knew she is reevaluating the whole relationship, is an incredibly important sign that Sheldon is *already* there where Amy “wants” him. 100% committed. And he is there because he *wants* to be there, not because she’s pressuring him or giving him an ultimatum. If the ring hadn’t been there, and at some point in S9 they rekindle their relationship and Sheldon proposes, the story becomes one of “Sheldon has learned his lesson, and if he hadn’t nearly lost Amy, he probably would have never gotten there”. What I LOVE about the ring is that it’s there before! Sheldon doesn’t need to learn any lessons or think about what he wants. He already knows. And cod knows how long he’s known for. He just needs to learn how to express himself and realize that the stuff that comes out of his mouth can and do hurt her. 

 

What I liked about the episode was that it also totally cleared my doubts as to whether he got the ring before or after the fight. It’s 100% clear now that he had it before, so it’s not a “patching up” gesture that he did after Penny waved her ring in his face and he thought “oh, ok, she wants me to propose”. Because it all happens in the same night and he doesn’t even leave the living room between the talk with Lenny and that revelation. It’s nice to see Steve confirm that too, of course, but I was happy to see that clear as day in the episode. 

[Desdemona]

Anyone else notice the way Sheldon kind of rolls his shoulder during the kiss? S.E.X.Y.

And I will never hear/think about the word "anyway" the same way again. Props to Jim for bringing some subtle heat to that scene. That man is a master of body language and subtext.

So true and have you noticed the way his eyes went up and down and then up on her before he said it? This was so hot!

Edited May 8, 2015 by Desdemona