Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[Desdemona]

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Someone asked for a ring close up....

Thank you Rachel, this is much better view of the ring as I had it!!

Edited May 8, 2015 by Desdemona

[YlvaBorealis89]

I watched this episode on my computer at 4 a.m. this morning, in 360p, and to me that ring looked both golden and vintage =) Hahaha that's what being a fan of the Antique's Roadshow does to you :D Now I feel oddly pleased Jenafan's 80 inch HD TV confirms this! :D

[dana1010]

This seems appropriate.

 

[EleQueen]

I did it. I've finally watched it (like 3-4 times already).

I loved the opening scene, although I was kinda dissapointed that they edited the kiss. I was hoping it would last longer. But it makes me hope that, once they make up, we will get another great kiss, so here's hoping!

I also liked the way Amy patted Sheldon's arm once they broke the kiss. To me, it was like she was making sure he was real! The look of pure bliss in her face made me smile (and then tear up a bit 'cause I knew what was coming).

 

The rest of the episode was fine for me. But the tag scene. Ohhhh the tag scene.

Hat's off to Jim and Mayim. They stole the episode for me. All those facial expressions, the tone of voice. Everything.

 

Especially Jim, after the skype scene. The look on his face. He was looking around him like he knew that he now is all alone. That lost look on his face, even before he took out the ring, just made me feel for him. 

 

I really think these last few seconds deserve Emmy's for both Jim and Mayim. 

[phantagrae]

I was talking about this on the other forum, but there's a concept called Love Languages, the idea that different people feel and express love in different ways.

Someone may want to hear "words of affirmation" while others may feel loved when someone does something nice for them.

 

I remember arguments between my mom and my younger sister and realizing that they were speaking different languages, even though I didn't know the concept at that time.

My mom has always said, "if you love me, you'd do things around the house to help me"--acts of service.  If you do the dishes or help out with dinner, especially if she doesn't have to ask, that's an expression of love in her mind.

My sister, on the other had, is very much about words of affirmation--tell me you love me.

 

The languages are:

 

Quality Time

Words of Affirmation

Gifts

Acts of Service

Physical Touch

 

So for Amy, maybe she feels loved when Sheldon spends Quality Time with her--WITHOUT talking about The Flash, or game controllers that light up--and Words of Affirmation and perhaps Physical Touch.  If he tells her he loves her, shows it by willingly kissing her or hugging or holding hands, and has his mind focused on the two of them (quality time), then she feels more assured of the truth of his love for her.

 

But for Sheldon, it seems like he's more about Words of Affirmation and Gifts, and maybe Acts of Service.  He likes praise and gifts and to have things done for him (like driving him to his appointments.)  He said that cooking for him is how his mom shows she loves him, and cooking for him when she's tired means she really loves him.

 

I think they both love each other and want to be together, but they have to figure out how to speak the same language, or at least understand the language the other one wants to hear.

 

Right now, Amy's not hearing the language she needs to hear.

Edited May 8, 2015 by phantagrae

[kazzie]

This is basically all of us..

 

[Bavarian ShamyShipper Girl]

I'd like to know, what Sheldon tells Penny and Leonard about the situation with amy. I can only watch the sneak peeks on youtube and the Sheldon/Amy-only-edit that was linked (thank you so much!!!). The sneak seek stops after Penny said "That's probably it!" (Asking whether sheldon talked befor Amy got mad at him).

What  else did sheldon tell them about the situation? Thank you for letting me know.

 

 

 

 

By the way, or should I better say ANYWAY (word of the year):

"It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good..." (Mantra-like repeating to comfort myself)

 

One more thing:
I rembered the scene when Amy hat the daydream about Sheldon wanting to kiss her "like mummys and daddys do". I just realized that that dream came true! Imagine having known at that time what today ist "real", that one day really Sheldon wants to kiss amy like mummys and daddys do. Melting down...

 

It all will be good...It all

[Beckyseyedoc]

I was talking about this on the other forum, but there's a concept called Love Languages, the idea that different people feel and express love in different ways.

Someone may want to hear "words of affirmation" while others may feel loved when someone does something nice for them.

 

I remember arguments between my mom and my younger sister and realizing that they were speaking different languages, even though I didn't know the concept at that time.

My mom has always said, "if you love me, you'd do things around the house to help me"--acts of service.  If you do the dishes or help out with dinner, especially if she doesn't have to ask, that's an expression of love in her mind.

My sister, on the other had, is very much about words of affirmation--tell me you love me.

 

The languages are:

 

Quality Time

Words of Affirmation

Gifts

Acts of Service

Physical Touch

 

So for Amy, maybe she feels loved when Sheldon spends Quality Time with her--WITHOUT talking about The Flash, or game controllers that light up--and Words of Affirmation and perhaps Physical Touch.  If he tells her he loves her, shows it by willingly kissing her or hugging or holding hands, and has his mind focused on the two of them (quality time), then she feels more assured of the truth of his love for her.

 

But for Sheldon, it seems like he's more about Words of Affirmation and Gifts, and maybe Acts of Service.  He likes praise and gifts and to have things done for him (like driving him to his appointments.)  He said that cooking for him is how his mom shows she loves him, and cooking for him when she's tired means she really loves him.

 

I think they both love each other and want to be together, but they have to figure out how to speak the same language, or at least understand the language the other one wants to hear.

 

Right now, Amy's not hearing the language she needs to hear.

Agreed. As so often, it's all about communication... I hope this is something the writers actually address in S9 and not just pay lip-service to it.

[jenafan]

I was talking about this on the other forum, but there's a concept called Love Languages, the idea that different people feel and express love in different ways.

Someone may want to hear "words of affirmation" while others may feel loved when someone does something nice for them.

I remember arguments between my mom and my younger sister and realizing that they were speaking different languages, even though I didn't know the concept at that time.

My mom has always said, "if you love me, you'd do things around the house to help me"--acts of service. If you do the dishes or help out with dinner, especially if she doesn't have to ask, that's an expression of love in her mind.

My sister, on the other had, is very much about words of affirmation--tell me you love me.

The languages are:

Quality Time

Words of Affirmation

Gifts

Acts of Service

Physical Touch

So for Amy, maybe she feels loved when Sheldon spends Quality Time with her--WITHOUT talking about The Flash, or game controllers that light up--and Words of Affirmation and perhaps Physical Touch. If he tells her he loves her, shows it by willingly kissing her or hugging or holding hands, and has his mind focused on the two of them (quality time), then she feels more assured of the truth of his love for her.

But for Sheldon, it seems like he's more about Words of Affirmation and Gifts, and maybe Acts of Service. He likes praise and gifts and to have things done for him (like driving him to his appointments.) He said that cooking for him is how his mom shows she loves him, and cooking for him when she's tired means she really loves him.

I think they both love each other and want to be together, but they have to figure out how to speak the same language, or at least understand the language the other one wants to hear.

Right now, Amy's not hearing the language she needs to hear.

Thank you, phanta. If I could give this 5 thumbs, I would. This is exactly what I've been trying in so many of my posts but couldn't find the right wording. Edited May 8, 2015 by jenafan

[mirs1]

In general, the episode was ok, I just didn't like the fact that the "funny" and the "sad" parts were so separate from each other; it really seems to me I was watching two different shows....Lenny's plot was "strange", it seemed very farfetched, the writers should have thought better about it, they are great in general, I'm sure there have been many different ways to delay the wedding rather than that! The tag was amazing and really well played,  both actors deserve thousands of awards just for it! I knew the ring was coming, but really, even so, it was so unexpected...

 

As for the Shamy, I've watched the episode twice, and also Jim Parsons's interview today...well, it doesn't look a real break up to me! Anyway, I don't think it is really important to focus on "words" right now, it may be a pause, a break up or whatever...I'm sure it will work out just fine...Maybe not straight away, but I don't see them apart for long time!  Sheldons's general personal growth in this last season is strongly related with Amy presence in his life, I can't imagine that the writers after all the effort he made just decide to put him back to is previous behavior!!! Anyway, he will be going to fight for Amy. I don't see that her reaction was nonsense, for me she had a point and it had nothing (or  little) to do with physical intimacy, it was more about intimacy in general, I can well understand that, even if in this season there have been huge steps, she doesn't feel enough important in his life. He has to show that she is important indeed, and for that I think a proposal and a ring are not enough, he has to show and prove his deep love before they eventually get engaged, I hope the writers  don't just jump them in an engagement without having solved their issues! Let's see...my two cents are in Lenny solving their cliffhanger  in the very first episode (from Molaro's interview not in a "bad" way for their shippers), while Shamy struggling more, but eventually becoming stronger than ever!

[phantagrae]

I'd like to know, what Sheldon tells Penny and Leonard about the situation with amy. I can only watch the sneak peeks on youtube and the Sheldon/Amy-only-edit that was linked (thank you so much!!!). The sneak seek stops after Penny said "That's probably it!" (Asking whether sheldon talked befor Amy got mad at him).

What  else did sheldon tell them about the situation? Thank you for letting me know.

 

 

 

 

By the way, or should I better say ANYWAY (word of the year):

"It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good...It all will be good..." (Mantra-like repeating to comfort myself)

 

One more thing:

I rembered the scene when Amy hat the daydream about Sheldon wanting to kiss her "like mummys and daddys do". I just realized that that dream came true! Imagine having known at that time what today ist "real", that one day really Sheldon wants to kiss amy like mummys and daddys do. Melting down...

 

It all will be good...It all

 

Sheldon told them that he and Amy were "necking like a couple of hooligans under the school bleachers" and that he asked her about watching The Flash.

Penny told him that when you're making out with your girlfriend, your attention ought to be on her.  I think Sheldon said that it was on her, because he wanted her opinion.

He and Leonard talked about the issues of committing to a TV show, not just for a season, but for the whole run of the show, etc.

Then later they got into a discussion about how Sheldon and Amy had been dating for years but still hadn't had sex (like that's a problem?--JMO) and Sheldon said "It's called foreplay".

But then Sheldon started asking why Leonard and Penny still hadn't gotten married, which started that whole conversation.

[Bavarian ShamyShipper Girl]

Thank you phantagrae!

[LeaGold]

I honestly think different people have different views of it. Maybe Jim feels like it was a breakup. Steve Molaro didn't seem to agree it was a breakup, as he said they weren't sure where exactly they were (with the relationship). To me it didn't feel like a breakup, with all that Amy was saying and how she was talking. Definitely felt more like what she said it was. A step back to think about their situation.

It was cute that Jim said he was upset by the "break up". We all know Jim loves him some Shamy. And he said his sister texted him to tell him how upset his nephews were by it, lol.

There doesn't happen to be a video link up yet is there?

[EleQueen]

Whoever made this. I love them so freaking much!!!!!

 

http://amycoopers.tumblr.com/post/118426195998/big-bang-theory-season-9-au-part-1-sheldon-tries

 

and... I'm dead!

[phantagrae]

There doesn't happen to be a video link up yet is there?

 

You mean Jim on K&M?  It's on YT already.

[tmp]

As much as I try to stay positive, I'll admit that right now I'm feeling heartbroken about last night's episode, and I'm not certain whether the writers intend for us to think there has been a break-up or not.  I've come here for an injection of hope, and thank all of you who posted for consoling me and others.

 

Over the next 13 weeks and 4 days, we're probably all going to have some times when we feel optimistic, other times when we feel despair, and all points in between.  Here's what I'm thinking.  Until the next taping, we are a support group.  We keep each other from getting too low, and encourage those who are having a bad day.  We can get through this.

[Desdemona]

Whoever made this. I love them so freaking much!!!!!

 

http://amycoopers.tumblr.com/post/118426195998/big-bang-theory-season-9-au-part-1-sheldon-tries

 

and... I'm dead!

It´s so hilarious!!!

Thank you for posting it EleQueen!!

[rachelshamyfan]

Shamy have reduced me to sighing heavily today

I know its not a break up but I can't get over how sad they both were at the end

"Bawls like a baby"

[phantagrae]

I guess my heart is made of stone because I'm not upset...

[Denyy]

I guess my heart is made of stone because I'm not upset...

I wouldn't say I'm upset either, more like way too excited to see what's next for them... of course they'll get back together, but there are so many possibilities how it happens.

These upcoming months will be a hell for me because I'm a very impatient person, but I wanted a Shamy cliffhanger so I can't really complain. 

[CentralPerk]

I don't even know why, but it wasn't the skype call itself that killed me (although both Jim and Mayim played it so freaking well, it seriously sounded like Amy was so close to crying), it was the complete SILENCE after he goes "What do I do with this one?" before the end credits that made my heart drop. 

I was quite fine after last year's finale, but I have no idea how I'm gonna survive these 3-4 months before we know what happens next.

 

 

Same for me. His face when he closes his laptop, and the silence at all this scene.

[teletalk101]

From my view, the ring looks to be yellow gold with inset should diamonds and a princess cut (square-ish) solitaire. Of course, even with a close up view, it is hard to determine the exact deign, but that would be my best bet. If I'm right, carat and clarity depending, that type of ring would retail at around $3,000. But let's face it, Sheldon probably wasn't too focused on price when he bought it.

 

I think it would look like this:

 

[jenafan]

... now the way is open for a relationship, in which Sheldon no longer loves Amy as a child loves somebody, but really sees Amy in and loves her for her full personality, as she does with him. Grown up. Not any more wanting Amy, because just he feels so comfortable with her. Because then it's still just about him, not about her.

A very interesting observation you make here. Unfortunately, Amy's patience has enabled Sheldon to remain stagnant in assuming Amy will always accept and forgive his selfish behavior. He is very comfortable with having her around as a friend, a confidant, and someone to play and build forts with (like a child). However, when it comes to the adult themes such as accepting responsibility for being wrong, discussing commitment, or addressing intimacy, he is extremely underdeveloped and seems in no rush to get there; not to say he has not made tremendous strides or doesn't want to.

I am happy that Amy finally got the courage to tell Sheldon what a challenge it is to be his girlfriend. I am also proud that Sheldon, though he strongly disagreed, continued to let her speak without interrupting her. In turn, I appreciated Amy not escalating the matter by disagreeing with Sheldon's disagreement but said OK and continued to explain her dilemma.

Like a man in trouble, it seemed to me that Sheldon was trying to cap the head off what had been brewing in the way he opened the Skype conversation. Rather than extending his greeting, he attempted get direct to the point of his thoughts. Unfortunately, he never got a chance to express them.

Who is to say that Amy has not reached into her neurological bag of tricks again to assess their situation and realizes that stepping back is not something she wants but has to do for the sake of her long-term happiness with or without Sheldon?

As I've already mentioned in a prior post, Sheldon learns best and advances forward when the objective he wishes to achieve becomes more of a priority to him than maintaining homeostasis. In other words, all the factors that allow him to remain within his comfort zone must be eliminated by his wanting or needing something else more.

So by Amy taking her permissiveness of Sheldon's behavior out of the equation and putting their relationship on the line, Sheldon has been backed into a corner with some serious decisions to make on what is most important to him and how he is going to address it.

This may make Amy seem cruel, because we know Sheldon was going to propose, but she didn't know. She has been adding up the math and feels he is not as vested in the relationship as she is, and as you have pointed out, is he with her because he just enjoys her company or does he want her as a partner, a companion, and as a woman? She knows he loves her, but she wants his mental and physical attention as well.

Amy is not without blame for their pitfalls, either. Sheldon not accepting responsibility for how his comment could have hurt her and his disagreement about Amy being patient with him clearly indicates that he honestly doesn't understand, and shame on Amy if after (5) years she can't grasp this. For her part, she deserves the attention she is asking for in their relationship and I think Sheldon is capable, but because of the way his brain is wired, she needs to stop beating him up when things go over his head or he speaks out-of-turn. She needs to realize that part of Sheldon's draw to her is her patience with him and that she is able to break down things so he can understand (example: when explaining why Leonard was upset about his name being omitted in the science journal). However, when it comes to her feelings, she misses the mark by using sarcasm, irony, etc. which fails to get her point across and makes their misunderstandings more serious than they are.

I am glad the proposal did not happen because they are obviously not ready and have kinks to work out, but I am so happy Sheldon is there and no one pushed him! Amy reassured him of her love, which tells me she has not given up. She literally means just a step back. Now, because Sheldon has difficulty reading between the lines, he may take this to mean a breakup is imminent.

Sheldon is very alone right now, a position he would have relished being in 5 years ago. I can't wait to see the effect this is going to have on him in S9, but there will be no doubt of what he is truly committed to.

Painful it is to watch, but in the end, I truly believe they will come out stronger and with as much quirkiness as ever.

I have to be positive and believe the writers are on our side.

Edited May 9, 2015 by jenafan

[The Sweet Compounder]

A very interesting observation you make here. Unfortunately, Amy's patience has enabled Sheldon to remain stagnant in assuming Amy will always accept and forgive his selfish behavior. He is very comfortable with having her around as a friend, a confidant, and someone to play and build forts with (like a child). However, when it comes to the adult themes such as accepting responsibility for being wrong, discussing commitment, or addressing intimacy, he is extremely underdeveloped and seems in no rush to get there; not to say he has not made tremendous strides or doesn't want to.

I am happy that Amy finally got the courage to tell Sheldon what a challenge it is to be his girlfriend. I am also proud that Sheldon, though he strongly disagreed, continued to let her speak without interrupting her. In turn, I appreciated Amy not escalating the matter by disagreeing with Sheldon's disagreement but said OK and continued to explain her dilemma.

Like a man in trouble, it seemed to me that Sheldon was trying to cap the head off what had been brewing in the way he opened the Skype conversation. Rather than extending his greeting, he attempted get direct to the point of his thoughts. Unfortunately, he never got a chance to express them.

Who is to say that Amy has not reached into her neurological bag of tricks again to assess their situation and realizes that stepping back is not something she wants but has to do for the sake of her long-term happiness with or without Sheldon.

As I've already mentioned in a prior post, Sheldon learns best and advances forward when the objective he wishes to achieve becomes more of a priority to him than maintaining homeostasis. In other words, all the factors that allow him to remain within his comfort zone must be eliminated by his wanting or needing something else more.

So by Amy taking her permissiveness of Sheldon's behavior out of the equation and putting their relationship on the line, Sheldon has been backed into a corner with some serious decisions to make on what is most important to him and how he is going to address it.

This may make Amy seem cruel, because we know Sheldon was going to propose, but she didn't know. She has been adding up the math and feels he is not as vested in the relationship as she is, and as you have pointed out, is he with her because he just enjoys her company or does he want her as a partner, a companion, and as a woman? She knows he loves her, but she wants his mental and physical attention as well.

Amy is not without blame for their pitfalls, either. Sheldon not accepting responsibility for how his comment could have hurt her and his disagreement about Amy being patient with him clearly indicates that he honestly doesn't understand, and shame on Amy if after (5) years she can't grasp this. For her part, she deserves the attention she is asking for in their relationship and I think Sheldon is capable, but because of the way his brain is wired, she needs to stop beating him up when things go over his head or he speaks out-of-turn. She needs to realize that part of Sheldon's draw to her is her patience with him and that she is able to break down things so he can understand (example: when explaining why Leonard was upset about his name being omitted in the science journal). However, when it comes to her feelings, she misses the mark by using sarcasm, irony, etc. which fails to get her point across and makes their misunderstandings more serious than they are.

I am glad the proposal did not happen because they are obviously not ready and have kinks to work out, but I am so happy Sheldon is there and no one pushed him! Amy reassured him of her love, which tells me she has not given up. She literally means just a step back. Now, because Sheldon has difficulty reading between the lines, he may take this to mean a breakup is imminent.

Sheldon is very alone right now, a position he would have relished being in 5 years ago. I can't wait to see the effect this is going to have on him in S9, but there will be no doubt of what he is truly committed to.

Painful it is to watch, but in the end, I truly believe they will come out stronger and with as much quirkiness as ever.

I have to be positive and believe the writers are on our side.

 

Thank you for this. I also thought that the "thing they are going with or a breakup or not really a break up just some time and step back" is something that would make them a better couple. As I've said few days before the finale airs and read some of the spoilers, I am more excited on how they will get back together (if that is the right term).

[rachelshamyfan]

I guess my heart is made of stone because I'm not upset...

Its more about being sad for my otp, sure ultimately in the long run this will be good for them but the tag was very emotional for a lot of us

Edited May 9, 2015 by rachelshamyfan