Ship Zone [Spoilers]Shamy S8 Thread

[boys3allc]

All those tweets before I read the taping report had me worried but this episode sounds amazing. Sure there is no kiss but they are working on more important things than physical contact in this episode. I love that Sheldon takes food off Amy's plate, that in of itself is very intimate for Sheldon. The fact that he took the time to rate their relationship is adorable and that he rates it so high. This is a great episode for Shamy and sets us on the emotional growth track we need to see from them this season.

Edited September 4, 2014 by boys3allc

[koops]

Because I'm a nerd, I actually dug out the Berscheid, Snyder and Omoto paper they are referencing in the episode. Just to give some more info about the test, they measure closeness based on three 1-10 scales: Frequency, Diversity and Strength. On average, romantic couples score between 4 and 5 on each of these scales. 

 

From the paper.

 

Frequency: "We viewed frequency of impact in terms of the amount of time that individuals spend alone with their relationship partners during their waking day, reasoning that the more time people spend together, the more opportunity they have to influence each other's thoughts and other behaviors."

 

Diversity: "We assessed the diversity dimension by examining the number of different specific activities that relationship partners performed together in the past week."

 

Strength: "One way to tap strength, at least as characterized in this way, is to present people with diverse life domains and to ask them to estimate the degree to which they believe they are influenced by their partner in each domain. [...] The strength items include more mundane activities (e.g., what one watches on TV) as well as more significant plans and behaviors (e.g., career and family plans)."

 

And to wrap it up: "Both the Diversity and Strength scales proved to be significant predictors of break up. As expected, relationships were more likely to endure if respondents reported greater diversity of activities with their partners in the past week as well as greater perceived influence from their partners."

 

Go and melt now. 

Edited September 4, 2014 by koops

[nickelette424]

Aww sounds like another great episode! And continued growth for our Shamy!! While it still has the Sheldon burn after that line, the fact he is so proud of their relationship shows something huge!!!

And he would share food with her if she wasn't allergic is pretty shocking!!

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I don't even think that line is a burn.  I think he really believes what he said.  He is confident that they are good and she is happy.  They don't need to do all the sappy stuff.  It's not them and it wouldn't be genuine for them to start doing it now.

[kerrycec03]

True I guess burn was a poor choice of words. Maybe disregard to her wanting more romance. I agree it's never going to be their style.

Also the reference to him having to make up for missing date nights sort of suggests he is still making up to her for leaving. She was mad and used his own agreement against him in a way. So again all is not forgotten either. Good for Amy.

It seems they are in a good place with growth and additional future emotional growth to occur. That's what we all wanted going into season 8. And also it seems based off this episode they are back on an even playing field.

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Edited September 4, 2014 by kerrycec03

[Maitetxup]

I dont catch the reference to flag pants, please some one to enlighten me?

[TwinkleTwinkleTiara]

Sheldon said he and Amy enjoy spending time with each other melt my heart. It's like a fanfic come true. Can't wait to hear Sheldon say it out loud. "a double date with them won't count as two dates" is also gold, it's kinda shows Amy REALLY knows what Sheldon want to say inside him. OH, right, Sheldonese score A, Fowler. Really glad the writers bring the quirky and uniqueness back. and yes, Pasadena favorate power couple indeed! Thank you Michy for the excellent report!

[Marina]

Oh my gosh, I'm so so sooo happy with this report!

Amy swooning over the Relationship Agreement, Sheldon being proud of his relationship, them knowing that they are the true Alpha Couple on the show, flirting, FOOD SHARING (this is the mixed nuts all over again), a throwback to my favourite off screen Shamy moment (the six and a half hour of silence, Sheldon's "magical evening") as there is literally nothing better than the domesticity that goes with comfortable silence and doing your own stuff in the same room, and finally it is out there in the open: Sheldon knows that Amy is happy just the way they are and that she only wants traditionally romantic things because of societal pressure. I can't. I'm crying legit tears. This is the best Shamy episode we've had in a year or so.

I am over the moon.

[TreesRgreen]

I so like the way this discussion is going.  The food sharing also feels very intimate - for Sheldon - and that he qualified the fact that he would not give Amy a piece of his burger because she was allergic and not for hygiene reasons speaks volumes. 

 

Had not picked up on the comment about making up to Amy for lost date nights, but it does indicate that they have had a discussion about this and come to (negotiated) and understanding screwed a bit in favour of Amy - at least for dates as is shown by her control over whether it would be counted as two dates if they went with Lenny and his agreement.   Glad to see that the strong Amy back.

 

So many positive things on the ShAmy front (though only small snippets) in this episode and though trying not to get too excited, I am getting very good feels about the season.  

 

Thank you Mitchy for the report.  Really looking forward to seeing this episode.

 

ETA - not really disappointed about there not being a kiss, I much prefer at the moment to know how there relationship grows and becomes closer.

Edited September 4, 2014 by ShAmy4eva

[Cara meli]

Because I'm a nerd, I actually dug out the Berscheid, Snyder and Omoto paper they are referencing in the episode. Just to give some more info about the test, they measure closeness based on three 1-10 scales: Frequency, Diversity and Strength. On average, romantic couples score between 4 and 5 on each of these scales. 

 

 

Oh koops, you're a woman after my own heart! I dug up the research, too. 

 

Now, I haven't got the time to read through the whole paper but I looked at the questionnaire and Sheldon has a point. They scored 8.2! She is happy, both of them must be to get that rating.

 

Just imagine--because I'm not willing to compute to come up with his possible ratings--how Sheldon would have rated the following to get that score:

 

(not the entire thing of course! just salient ones Shamy-wise)

 

Rate the amount of influence X (the other person) has on your thoughts, strongly agree-strongly disagree scale

 

X influences important things in my life

X influences the way I feel about myself.

X does not influence everyday things in my life.

X influences important things in my life.

X influences the extent to which I accept responsibilities in our relationship.

X influences the way I feel about myself.

X does not influence my moods.

X influences the basic values that I hold.

X does not influence the opinions that I have of other important people in

my life.*

X influences the way I feel about the future

X influences and contributes to my overall happiness

 

how much X affects your future plans and goals, 7 pt scale, not at all (1)--a great extent (7). 

It only has 7 items, but it includes:

 

marriage plans

plans to have children

Edited September 4, 2014 by Carmeli

[koops]

Yes, 8.2 is almost twice the average of what normal couples score according to the authors' own results. So they must have scored really high on all these questions. No wonder he was so cocky!

[Bazinga21]

Is it sad that I got REALLY excited because Sheldon mentioned Yorkshire and Im from Yorkshire and we have Yorkshire pudding with our Sunday roast every week and YORKSHIRE RULES! 

Yeah I know Ive been quiet again but that Yorkshire line was enough to bring me back out of my hiding place for shy people! 

[boys3allc]

Another point is I thought that date night was once a month on Thursdays. If he was only gone 47 days why are there so many date nights to make up? They must of added more to the agreement.

[Redrose]

Me, after reading the report :

 

 

I think I need a moment to compute HOW HUGE IT IS AND HOW HAPPY I AM 

[koops]

Another point is I thought that date night was once a month on Thursdays. If he was only gone 47 days why are there so many date nights to make up? They must of added more to the agreement.

Yes, they were out a lot in several episodes in S7 too. I think they have made it more frequent for a while now, and this confirms my suspicions.

[rachelshamyfan]

I already love the episode and I've not seen it

Go shamajimy!

[Marina]

I just realized that if they are having Date Night every night, it means they are kissing on a daily basis. No wonder Sheldon is so darn happy, we all know how much he loves that.

[LalaLogan]

I just realized that if they are having Date Night every night, it means they are kissing on a daily basis. No wonder Sheldon is so darn happy, we all know how much he loves that. [emoji8]

Agggh! just the thought of those date night kisses we don't get to see is driving me insane! Oh well... I guess some things are sexier when left to the imagination. [emoji6]

[Redrose]

Sheldon asks, "Did you enjoy my lecture?" and Amy says, "No, and neither did our waiter." Sheldon says, "Hey, if you serve Cornish game hen, either know the history of Cornwall or be prepared to learn about it." Amy says, "Can't argue with that logic. And I should know, because I saw a sad man with a pepper mill try." 

Brutally honest Amy and typical Shamy everyday-life discussion. It starts well.

 

Sheldon explains that he missed many date nights while away so he is "contractual obligated" to make them up. Penny says, "that's hot," and Amy says, "It's better than hot. It's binding."

AAAAAAAH told you that Amy likes the RA !! See, She needs it and loves it! "better than hot" OMC I can't tell you how much I love that line !

and LOL, another Penny's famous "that's hot" when there is a Shamy date night.

 

As they exit the apartment, Amy says that the motion passed with a two-to-zero margin. Leonard jokes, "It's nice to see a busy couple keep bureaucracy alive" in their relationship

 It's also nice to see that Amy is also a quirky girl and that she has a lot in common with Sheldon. I'm pleased that the writers chose to remind that to the viewers. cheers.

 

Sheldon says, "Ignore them, Amy. They're just jealous that they'll never have a relationship as good as ours." Leonard and Penny exchange incredulous looks. They come down the next landing and Sheldon says no, he wasn't making a joke, he was stating a fact. His and Amy's relationship is superior to Leonard and Penny's. 

And that's how fanfic plot comes true. There is something hugely joyful to hear Sheldon say that. I don't know for you, but for me, It's the kind of typical Sheldon behaviour that makes him romantic. 

 

Leonard questions how Sheldon can possibly think they have a better relationship. Sheldon says for one, he and Amy enjoy spending time together. Leonard says he's seen them spend hours together not talking and doing separate things. Sheldon says that's called parallel play. Leonard points out that toddlers do that. Sheldon says, "Not as good as us!" Leonard says they can't even have a date without consulting their Relationship Agreement. Sheldon says if you have a problem with relationships being based on contracts, and then something about the thirteen colonies. He says that relationship is still pretty hot today.

I love the fact that they're showing us that the Shamy relationship works in a special way and that Sheldon and Amy are happy with it.

 

 

Sheldon asks Amy if he can have a fry, she says of course, and he takes one

OFFICIAL FOOD SHARING GUYS !! I love the fact Sheldon is doing this like it's the most natural thing in the world .Plus he's the one initiating it. Look at Season 1 and see the change. Wow

 

She asks for a bite of his burger and he says, "Absolutely not." Leonard says, "Some perfect relationship. He won't even share food with her." Sheldon is deadpan and genuine as he says "This burger has avocado. Amy is allergic." "Are you so jealous of our relationship that you want Amy to die?" 

That's the cutest part. He knows her well and take care of her...People think that he's selfish and doesn't want to share his food and then BAM , he was just quietly saving her life, to quote MichyGeary. and big LOL the last phrase. 

Brownies is the official Shamy dessert. Now Avocado is the official Shamy fruit. agree ?

 

eta: 

 

Leonard says he can't quantify things in relationships, and Sheldon argues that everything is quantifiable. Then he proceeds to start putting numbers on things from a scale of one to ten. Leonard says he's just putting random numbers on things based on his opinion, but Sheldon gets out his phone and says, "Not according to Berscheid, Snyder, and Omoto." Amy explains that they created the relationship closeness inventory which gauges variables in relationships. They share that they got an 8.2.

Typical Shamy. Love it. koops and Carmeli already explained what it means.  #feels

 

Amy watches from across the table with big sparkly anime eyes and says (while looking at Lenny still), "It would make me so happy if you said things like that." Sheldon looks incredulous. "We got an 8.2. Trust me, you're happy."

Here is the controversial line. I join Cecilia here : Shelon is pointing out that they are fine and that they don't need "romance" to strenghten their relationship. They have their own kind of romance. Amy is Amy here. Always wanting to do like other people just to experience it. But is it what she really wants or is it just another phase like her high school popular girl fantasy ?

 

This episode is almost perfect, I can smell the air of S4-5 which were IMO the glory days of Shamy.

Only complaint : think about how many date night kisses we've missed...

Edited September 4, 2014 by Redrose

[CaffeineBuzz]

I am floating on a cloud of brownies, fries and (avocado-free) burgers.

Tons of dates, RA hotness, magical silence as they do their own thing, science to determine the strength of their relationship? Is this S4 again or am I delirious?

Thank you Michy and Kazzie for the info! (Although Kazzie gave me a rage fit at the beginning before I knew what the line was ).

I know right? When I read the report I was bracing not to like it based on what little I had from the tweets but this is basically the best case scenario and in character for them that I could have asked for.

[koops]

RedRose, amazing summary! ITA on every single point.

[pisquenta]

I'm so proud of Shamy right now.

[notchinc]

True I guess burn was a poor choice of words. Maybe disregard to her wanting more romance. I agree it's never going to be their style.

Also the reference to him having to make up for missing date nights sort of suggests he is still making up to her for leaving. She was mad and used his own agreement against him in a way. So again all is not forgotten either. Good for Amy.

It seems they are in a good place with growth and additional future emotional growth to occur. That's what we all wanted going into season 8. And also it seems based off this episode they are back on an even playing field.

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Don't forget this is the couple that has annual relationship summits. They are a okay.

Agggh! just the thought of those date night kisses we don't get to see is driving me insane! Oh well... I guess some things are sexier when left to the imagination. [emoji6]

Off screen Shamy is my favorite Shamy. Possibilities are endless.

REDROSE. I LOVE YOU. WELCOME BACK FULL TIME

Edited September 4, 2014 by notchinc

[TwinkleTwinkleTiara]

Now I wonder how did Sheldon know Amy is avocado allergic. Maybe once Sheldon ate an avocado then kissed Amy and got her allergic. Sheldon panicked and call the ambulance. My imagination is out of control, someone please stop me!

[kerrycec03]

Now I wonder how did Sheldon know Amy is avocado allergic. Maybe once Sheldon ate an avocado then kissed Amy and got her allergic. Sheldon panicked and call the ambulance. My imagination is out of control, someone please stop me!

Haha to the fanfic!!

I think the Shamy have always been comfortable discussing medical/allergy kinda stuff. On paper they know each other very very well. Now for more continued emotional growth for these two (I think the main focus for the first half of season

Now the later half of the season things can get a bit deeper (moving in together, intimacy, their future, etc)

I am just very excited for 3 solid episodes so far!!!!

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[Marina]

Now I wonder how did Sheldon know Amy is avocado allergic. Maybe once Sheldon ate an avocado then kissed Amy and got her allergic. Sheldon panicked and call the ambulance. My imagination is out of control, someone please stop me!

Well, Amy is also allergic to peniciline, she's got a silver bracelet that says it. My headcanon is now that Sheldon noticed her bracelet back when they were still girl/friend/boy/friend after she licked her thumb to remove the jelly at the corner of his mouth, and he asked her what other allergies she had. She gave him the list and he commited it to memory - not because of his eidetic memory but because she was his very good friend. 

Damn, this fic is writing itself.