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I've been kind of holding back, waiting to see how everything shakes out, and waiting until I can read through the taping report again, just to make sure I have everything clear in my head. 

 

Having read everyone's take on it, I do think that I agree with koops wholeheartedly.  What I thought when I first read the report was that it was totally in character with the Shamy relationship that they would be proud of their score on the test and that Sheldon would find as much assurance in that measurement, and the means of measuring, that he does in the RelAg.  His comment about taking the "romance" out of it, is, in many ways, completely correct.

 

If you think about it, so many couples rely on "tingles" that they want to feel when they meet someone, that they think their love and the quality of their relationship lives or dies on the "tingles".  But as a pastor I heard once said, talking about marriage, is that it's not always fireworks and fanfare.  Sometimes it's just Tuesday, and that your marriage (or relationship) has to endure the low points or the "normal" days as much as the highlights, that not every day or moment is going to be full of sparkles or fireworks or throes of passion.

 

If you can survive dirty underwear, grumpy moods, cleaning the house, paying bills, just hanging out in the same room, even if you're each interested in something different, then you have a better chance at a long-lasting relationship than if you are counting on fireworks and passion at every moment.  Just because you find you both like romantic dinners and walks in the moonlight, or whatever, doesn't mean that your relationship will last.

 

Now, that's not saying that there's anything wrong with liking the mushy stuff, :) , but it's often the more mundane, non-romantic, even non-sexual, measurements that can predict the stability of a relationship.  If you take the romance out and measure all the non-romantic stuff, you get perhaps a better view of what keeps the relationship working.

 

As for Amy and her view of romance, again, I think it's true that it's when she tries to make Sheldon conform to whatever a "normal boyfriend" is supposed to be that things get unbalanced.  And when Sheldon forgets that she's a girl, not just a colleague, or whatever, that things get unbalanced the other way.

I think that they're working on finding that middle ground, but since Sheldon has the more obvious, more unconventional issues with romance and sex, he is the one who's journey toward those end goals is likely to be more highlighted.  We already know that Amy loves Sheldon, that she wants to be intimate, that she hopes (or plans) to marry him one day, etc., and we know that Sheldon is somewhere along that same path, but with a different way of measuring those things.

I think that since he kissed her, he's more likely to be thinking that he likes it, and that's a step on his intimacy ladder--but he seems to be a little scared of heights when it comes to that ladder.

 

I don't think that he's trying to deny Amy something that will make her happy, but if such things are not his style, then why does he have to pretend to be something he's not.

This is the same way I felt about Amy's train "manipulation" and her suggestion about moving in, in the finale.

She is as capable of missteps as he is.

With the train trip, she somehow thought that if she just got him on the train (which he would be happy about) that the candlelight dinner or the fact that it's Valentine's Day, or whatever, would suddenly transform him into some romance novel hero, that he would sit there and make googoo eyes at her and kiss the way Bernie and Howard did.

She knows--she has to know--that that's not the way his mind works, that that kind of "romance", whatever it's worth, is not in his vocabulary.  He kept trying to share his train enthusiasm with her--he was truly happy--and she kept grumping at him, rolling her eyes, etc.

 

But he does know how to make "romantic" gestures--truly thoughtful or meaningful moments--that she never expects, which, IMO, are the best kind.  They're just not conventional.  He's never going to be the romance novel hero she imagines.  But it doesn't mean that he doesn't care for her, or doesn't love her.

 

We know he measures things in his own way, but those measurements are important and meaningful to him.  The RelAg is not just a way to control Amy, but a way to control what he sees as chaos--that great miasma of feelings out there--and to assure both himself and her of the guarantees of their relationship--for both of them.

So for him to find comfort in the high score they received as a couple is good.  He feels good about the relationship--it's a success, not some kind of negative drain on his productivity, or any other negative thing.

 

It does seem to me that the two couples were used as sort of foils for each other, to show how each of them works, even though they don't work in exactly the same way, or perhaps aren't measured in the same way.

Leonard has always been the romantic, Sheldon the neurotic, but both have found their own measure of happiness in finding someone who gets them.

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My only complaint is something wowbagger mentioned I think. That there is important off screen communication between them. Admittedly what we do get with this ep is good very good tbh but I would like a small insight to the moment they decided that Sheldon should make up for the lost dates. I realize there may were problems e.g. he only left for 45 so how many dates did he lose exactly?? We suspect that they have more than they used to and I don't know if that's headcanon or not but we don't know for sure how much the typical dates are during a month. But I would still like to see the make up moment when they talked about it and decided that. I expect this to happen again especially if they keep referring to his travel and that there isn't enough time for discussions etc. Just one scene communicating their problems and finding a solution working for the both of them (preferably all that in quirky way) and I would be more than pleased.

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@Cecilia:  I do think Date Nights are more than once a month by now, since in S7 they had several in very quick succession, but I'm not sure if in the episode it said he was making up for lost dates specifically, or for the time he was gone overall (i.e. they went on the type of dates that Amy likes to make it up for all the time they didn't see each other). Maybe the attendees can clarify.

 

@Phanta: The train "manipulation" is actually part of what I love about the Vday episode. The fact that, in that episode, the conflict stemmed from both of them being in the right in some ways and in the wrong in others. It was so much more realistic than when they just have Sheldon being a jerk so she can be frustrated at him. But also, that's the kind of episode that, once again, proves to me that Amy does not really care about the traditional romance stuff at all. All she wanted was to spend time with him on a special day, and be his sole focus. In the end, it didn't matter to her whether it was by sitting at a table drinking wine and gazing into each other's eyes or in a cramped engine room being shown how to bring a train to a crossing. All she wanted was to be with him. That's what makes me firmly believe that Amy does *not* really care for all that traditional romance stuff, it's just that it's the only thing she knows about how two people in a relationship are meant to relate to each other because it's all she's ever been exposed to. But it's the *relation* that she craves, not the form that it takes. And I think Sheldon got it with his "We got 8.2. Trust me, you are happy." It's not the mushy stuff that truly makes her happy, it's when Sheldon shows her what he feels, in his own way. And if we say, as we often do, that when Sheldon complains that he doesn't like handholding or is dismissive of sex etc, he is in denial about what he wants and/or hasn't yet figured out what he wants, then why does the same not apply to Amy when it comes to her obsession with candles and wine and sappy love declarations and her not realizing that, actually that isn't what she really wants?

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This is the link to the original paper: http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/57/5/792/

 

But unfortunately, unless you have access to a university network, you can't see the full text for free. Don't know if anyone found a free version anywhere, I have the pdf but I can't attach it on here I don't think, wouldn't want to get into copyright trouble :p

 

eta: Actually! I managed to take out only the Appendix with the test. This way I shouldn't be infringing any copyright (I think!). See attached.

 

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Thanks so much, Koops! If it isn't too time-consuming, I would love to take the test with the hubby. I have a feeling we will score more like Lenny than like Shamy. I'm a little nervous :p

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@koops you're right I didn't think he could make up for the whole time not just dates.

I agree that what Amy wants is to spend time with him. It's something I really believe that what is important to Amy is to be close to him physically, intellectually and emotionally.

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In regards to Amy/Shamy, I think it's time for me to share my opinion.

First, I absolutely hate it when people say that Sheldon is the only scared one in this relationship. Amy has never been in a serious relationship before and she is just as new to a relationship, both physical and emotional, as Sheldon. Just because she knows a little more than Sheldon about intimacy doesn't mean that she isn't just as scared as he is for what comes next.

Second, I really need to see some more moments between the Shamy that show they're connected, both emotionally and intellectually. What I loved about season 4-5 was that the Shamy were a team (hence why Herb Garden will always be one of my favorites). I need to see them working together, not this whole dynamic where Amy is portrayed as some whipping boy to Sheldon (here's looking at you season 6). I have to say, season 7 was a little better and season 8 is off to a great start, but Backbone Amy needs to stay. I so hated how she was portrayed for a while and I hope to God they don't do that again.

Lastly, I think that Amy genuinely wants to spend time with Sheldon and the same goes for him. What attracted them to each other was their intelligence and I desperately need to see more Fun with Flags type moments or maybe even some plotting against the group, just something that isn't them arguing over sex or a physical relationship. They need to go back to their roots.

I always think back to my favorite Shamy quote: "Amy is more similar to me than anyone I've ever met." This is so powerful and true that I think it needs to be shown again how similar they truly are to each other and how much they are compatible to one another.

I always say that I think Sheldon is Amy's exception and Amy is Sheldon's exception.

I hope season 8 brings back the Golden Age Shamy!

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IMO Sheldon and Amy do have a stronger, more solid relationship than any body on the show. They are honest and open with each other. There is never any beating around the bush. When one of them has a problem with the other one, they found a way to address it reasonably. This is something that was established when Sheldon was trying to get back at Amy for ruining raider's. She let him know that any problem he has with her should be vocalized rather than internalized. They have a relationship agreement in order to freely discuss any problems or concerns that either one of them may have during the course of the relationship. They set up a system as a means of for them to get what they both want out of the relationship, not to mention work out common kinks that often occur in relationships. Leonard and Penny however, are afraid to be honest with each other. Leonard's fear is that Penny will get mad at him and Penny fears hurting Leonard's feelings. These are common problems in relationships but none the less an issue that Shamy doesn't come across very often because their dialogue is very up front. Sheldon and Amy are never afraid of how the other one will react.

 

They also genuinely enjoy each other. Let me point out that if Sheldon was not dating Amy, he would likely not be dating anyone which is not the same for any of the other couples on the show. Sheldon enjoyed being on his own more than he enjoyed anyone's company but then Amy came along and he found an exception. He found the person who could move him to those uncomfortable places that he would otherwise have never ventured into. He is with her because he genuinely likes being around her. While I understand that the other couples on the show love each other, they are with one another for reasons other than love. They don't want to be lonely, they want to avoid sexual frustration, and of course  there is Sheldon's least favorite paradigm, social conventions dictate you find a mate and get married or maintain a romantic relationship. These are all things that Sheldon did not care about and still doesn't. That's how you know he genuinely loves  Amy even though he doesn't say it.

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IMO Sheldon and Amy do have a stronger, more solid relationship than any body on the show. They are honest and open with each other. There is never any beating around the bush. When one of them has a problem with the other one, they found a way to address it reasonably. This is something that was established when Sheldon was trying to get back at Amy for ruining raider's. She let him know that any problem he has with her should be vocalized rather than internalized. They have a relationship agreement in order to freely discuss any problems or concerns that either one of them may have during the course of the relationship. They set up a system as a means of for them to get what they both want out of the relationship, not to mention work out common kinks that often occur in relationships. Leonard and Penny however, are afraid to be honest with each other. Leonard's fear is that Penny will get mad at him and Penny fears hurting Leonard's feelings. These are common problems in relationships but none the less an issue that Shamy doesn't come across very often because their dialogue is very up front. Sheldon and Amy are never afraid of how the other one will react.

 

They also genuinely enjoy each other. Let me point out that if Sheldon was not dating Amy, he would likely not be dating anyone which is not the same for any of the other couples on the show. Sheldon enjoyed being on his own more than he enjoyed anyone's company but then Amy came along and he found an exception. He found the person who could move him to those uncomfortable places that he would otherwise have never ventured into. He is with her because he genuinely likes being around her. While I understand that the other couples on the show love each other, they are with one another for reasons other than love. They don't want to be lonely, they want to avoid sexual frustration, and of course  there is Sheldon's least favorite paradigm, social conventions dictate you find a mate and get married or maintain a romantic relationship. These are all things that Sheldon did not care about and still doesn't. That's how you know he genuinely loves  Amy even though he doesn't say it.

 

Great post! I especially love the bold part, being a huge fan of the Relationship Agreement. The RA isn't just for Sheldon to be in control and for Sheldon to get his way, and that's what I love about it. It's a living document that they both use to put their demands and commitments and limitations out in the open. It's something they work on together on a regular basis, and it's a physical proof of every little progress their relationship goes through. So I am loving how the Agreement has come back, front and center, and is cited by Amy more often than Sheldon. Because, you know, it's better than hot! It's binding! Long live the Relationship Agreement! 

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I also like the relationship agreement and it's wonderful that it is wayy different than the roomate agreement. The latter is a means to manipulate Leonard. Leonard gas no say into. it and it's designed in a way that only Sheldon can truly decide thing. But the RelAg gives both parties privileges and I am more than happy that Amy has so much influence. These documents were written by the same person so she is his exception or what?? Kudos to the writers who made that clear.

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IMO Sheldon and Amy do have a stronger, more solid relationship than any body on the show. They are honest and open with each other. There is never any beating around the bush. When one of them has a problem with the other one, they found a way to address it reasonably. This is something that was established when Sheldon was trying to get back at Amy for ruining raider's. She let him know that any problem he has with her should be vocalized rather than internalized. They have a relationship agreement in order to freely discuss any problems or concerns that either one of them may have during the course of the relationship. They set up a system as a means of for them to get what they both want out of the relationship, not to mention work out common kinks that often occur in relationships. Leonard and Penny however, are afraid to be honest with each other. Leonard's fear is that Penny will get mad at him and Penny fears hurting Leonard's feelings. These are common problems in relationships but none the less an issue that Shamy doesn't come across very often because their dialogue is very up front. Sheldon and Amy are never afraid of how the other one will react.

 

They also genuinely enjoy each other. Let me point out that if Sheldon was not dating Amy, he would likely not be dating anyone which is not the same for any of the other couples on the show. Sheldon enjoyed being on his own more than he enjoyed anyone's company but then Amy came along and he found an exception. He found the person who could move him to those uncomfortable places that he would otherwise have never ventured into. He is with her because he genuinely likes being around her. While I understand that the other couples on the show love each other, they are with one another for reasons other than love. They don't want to be lonely, they want to avoid sexual frustration, and of course  there is Sheldon's least favorite paradigm, social conventions dictate you find a mate and get married or maintain a romantic relationship. These are all things that Sheldon did not care about and still doesn't. That's how you know he genuinely loves  Amy even though he doesn't say it.

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IMO Sheldon and Amy do have a stronger, more solid relationship than any body on the show. They are honest and open with each other. There is never any beating around the bush. When one of them has a problem with the other one, they found a way to address it reasonably. This is something that was established when Sheldon was trying to get back at Amy for ruining raider's. She let him know that any problem he has with her should be vocalized rather than internalized. They have a relationship agreement in order to freely discuss any problems or concerns that either one of them may have during the course of the relationship. They set up a system as a means of for them to get what they both want out of the relationship, not to mention work out common kinks that often occur in relationships. Leonard and Penny however, are afraid to be honest with each other. Leonard's fear is that Penny will get mad at him and Penny fears hurting Leonard's feelings. These are common problems in relationships but none the less an issue that Shamy doesn't come across very often because their dialogue is very up front. Sheldon and Amy are never afraid of how the other one will react.

 

They also genuinely enjoy each other. Let me point out that if Sheldon was not dating Amy, he would likely not be dating anyone which is not the same for any of the other couples on the show. Sheldon enjoyed being on his own more than he enjoyed anyone's company but then Amy came along and he found an exception. He found the person who could move him to those uncomfortable places that he would otherwise have never ventured into. He is with her because he genuinely likes being around her. While I understand that the other couples on the show love each other, they are with one another for reasons other than love. They don't want to be lonely, they want to avoid sexual frustration, and of course  there is Sheldon's least favorite paradigm, social conventions dictate you find a mate and get married or maintain a romantic relationship. These are all things that Sheldon did not care about and still doesn't. That's how you know he genuinely loves  Amy even though he doesn't say it.

 

I wanted to see him saying "I love you" to Amy as it was a natural thing, like during a conversation, and when she acts surprised by the revelation he says something like "Why are you surprised? Of course I love you, there's no need in stating the obvious."

I would die then.

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Mostly I was just lamenting that if Sheldon had avocado on his burger, he was not going to be kissing Amy that night. :'(

I was thinking about this today and I can see him negotiating with Amy as to how to make up that kiss. Cause of his closure thing, cause he wants to make up the missed Date Nights properly, and cause he wants to kiss her

a) a kiss on the cheek from her

b ) two kisses on the next Date Night. (Actually would it be three kisses next Date Night cause this one counted as two dates?)

c) brushing his teeth and rinsing and flossing and then kiss her

d) a hug instead

So many headcanons :p

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I wanted to see him saying "I love you" to Amy as it was a natural thing, like during a conversation, and when she acts surprised by the revelation he says something like "Why are you surprised? Of course I love you, there's no need in stating the obvious."

I would die then.

Omg for the longest time I was trying to think of a way Sheldon could say I love you without it seeming OOC but that is actually perfect. Kudos to you! I would melt.

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What I find interesting in this episode is how much Penny "gets it" and Leonard doesn't. It's very interesting to me because I think that Leonard understands how Sheldon ticks better than Penny does but he doesn't understand what he feels from ticking the way he does, whereas Penny doesn't understand how Sheldon ticks like Leonard does but she does understand what he gets out of it. And I think Leonard understands Sheldon but not Shamy and Penny understands Shamy but not Sheldon. It's very very interesting to me. 

 

Leonard spent the whole evening trying to one-up Sheldon by essentially bringing up his own concepts of what proves that a relationship is perfect and showing to Sheldon how Shamy don't meet his criteria. He thinks spending time in silence is a bad sign for a relationship, whereas it's one of the biggest indications of comfort between these two. He thinks the bureaucracy and contractual obligations take the romance out of it whereas to Shamy it's as hot as it gets. He thinks not sharing food means it's not a perfect relationship, but then Sheldon proves he is misguided. All the while, Penny is observing in silence and getting more and more uneasy about it because she knows what Sheldon is getting at and it's what always scared her about her relationship with Leonard: that it's based on infatuation and that she's got nothing to offer him. Because that's all she's experienced her whole life with other men. But then Leonard goes and essentially tells her "Look, it doesn't matter how it works for them, we might not have lots of things in common but what matters to us as a couple is different than what matters to them and it will be ok."

 

Sheldon says THE EXACT SAME THING to Amy, with his "We got an 8.2. Trust me, you're happy." It's just said in his own, Sheldon-way. Amy is looking at Lenny much as Penny was looking at Shamy and they're both envious in a way but then their men reassure them that they should stop looking elsewhere for examples of how a happy relationship works. It's in the form of a joke to put the punchline in the scene, but that's what it all means to me. 

YES!   This is exactly what I got from that scene...thank you for saying it so eloquently!

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I wanted to see him saying "I love you" to Amy as it was a natural thing, like during a conversation, and when she acts surprised by the revelation he says something like "Why are you surprised? Of course I love you, there's no need in stating the obvious."

I would die then.

 

This is an old school scenario which pops up every 3 - 4 months on the Shamy wishlist. I think it's an intriguing concept; it would be nice to think Sheldon is so comfortable with the knowledge he loves Amy that he can express it in a completely matter-o-fact way. So far we've gotten "I'm very fond of Amy" to Penny, as well as, "I like you quirks and all" to Amy's face, but we've never come close to the word love. Personally, I'm not sure that Sheldon is going to be able to express it as simply or easily as that in the long run; but it's nice to imagine one day he'd be so comfortable about it and yet drop it on Amy like a hot potato. One day I hope we'll see how their first "I love you" plays out.

 

Michy and Kazzie - Thanks so much for the amazing taping report. It was amazingly detailed and beautifully laid out; you guys did a thorough job and I thank you. Kazzie, I'm sorry that you didn't get a kiss this time (I was concerned about you causing a scene; images of you being led away by security came to mind) but there's next week, right? I'm pulling for you to get a kiss; came so far for these tapings, you deserve them.

 

As for the controversial line....on the "flat" reading of it I agree or see the point of what's been posted here about it's meaning. On the flip side, it says something to me that BBTguy, Kaz and Michy all had at least a twinge of a negative gut reaction to it. So I don't know if the issue is in the line as written - doesn't seem to be, from the perspective of people who know the episode from the taping report itself - or something in Jim's tone of voice when giving the line delivery. I guess I'm going to reserve any commentary until I see the episode itself, but overall I think it sounds adorable, and certain things, like Sheldon taking a fry from Amy's plate, the parallel play, their relationship test score, and the avocado bit do so warm the cockles of my little Shamy heart.

 

I am very intrigued by what we have seen to start off this season and particularly in this last episode; as I read I kept wondering when the writers got so damn self-aware of themselves. Flat out bringing up the fact that Penny and Leonard have nothing in common, and both are nervous about that fact, told me that the writers have a better grip on the issues and truth about the Lenny relationship than I would have thought. Also, the things about "parallel play" and Sheldon needing to make up for the date nights he's been away, and Amy's pleasure in the RA - better than hot, it's binding! (awesome line) - show that they also have a very good grip on how the Shamy operates. I'm actually extremely grateful for the way things are playing out with Sheldon and Amy right now; we've got plenty of hints that the issue of Sheldon leaving has not been totally swept under the carpet - Amy confronted him with her anger, we know they obviously talked about him making up the time he was away, so they have definitely had conversations about the issue of his departure and are finding ways to deal with it - and yet we're not going through it in a melodramatic way. I don't want to shove my foot up Sheldon's ass. I don't want to serve Amy a double dose of Midol. The drama of the final's big cliffhanger is just sort of quietly being brushed away as we go back to sitcom business as usual - things are light and fluffy even though the issues the writers created are not being completely ignored.

 

Thank you, writers. *pets* Nice writers.

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I can't stop thinking about how they are having extra date nights and we are missing out on seeing date night kisses

As much as I love the kisses, I think they would lose impact if we saw them more. Honestly I was surprised we got two last year so close together. Hopefully they are saving another one for something amazing.

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This is an old school scenario which pops up every 3 - 4 months on the Shamy wishlist. I think it's an intriguing concept; it would be nice to think Sheldon is so comfortable with the knowledge he loves Amy that he can express it in a completely matter-o-fact way. So far we've gotten "I'm very fond of Amy" to Penny, as well as, "I like you quirks and all" to Amy's face, but we've never come close to the word love. Personally, I'm not sure that Sheldon is going to be able to express it as simply or easily as that in the long run; but it's nice to imagine one day he'd be so comfortable about it and yet drop it on Amy like a hot potato. One day I hope we'll see how their first "I love you" plays out.

 

Michy and Kazzie - Thanks so much for the amazing taping report. It was amazingly detailed and beautifully laid out; you guys did a thorough job and I thank you. Kazzie, I'm sorry that you didn't get a kiss this time (I was concerned about you causing a scene; images of you being led away by security came to mind) but there's next week, right? I'm pulling for you to get a kiss; came so far for these tapings, you deserve them.

 

As for the controversial line....on the "flat" reading of it I agree or see the point of what's been posted here about it's meaning. On the flip side, it says something to me that BBTguy, Kaz and Michy all had at least a twinge of a negative gut reaction to it. So I don't know if the issue is in the line as written - doesn't seem to be, from the perspective of people who know the episode from the taping report itself - or something in Jim's tone of voice when giving the line delivery. I guess I'm going to reserve any commentary until I see the episode itself, but overall I think it sounds adorable, and certain things, like Sheldon taking a fry from Amy's plate, the parallel play, their relationship test score, and the avocado bit do so warm the cockles of my little Shamy heart.

 

I am very intrigued by what we have seen to start off this season and particularly in this last episode; as I read I kept wondering when the writers got so damn self-aware of themselves. Flat out bringing up the fact that Penny and Leonard have nothing in common, and both are nervous about that fact, told me that the writers have a better grip on the issues and truth about the Lenny relationship than I would have thought. Also, the things about "parallel play" and Sheldon needing to make up for the date nights he's been away, and Amy's pleasure in the RA - better than hot, it's binding! (awesome line) - show that they also have a very good grip on how the Shamy operates. I'm actually extremely grateful for the way things are playing out with Sheldon and Amy right now; we've got plenty of hints that the issue of Sheldon leaving has not been totally swept under the carpet - Amy confronted him with her anger, we know they obviously talked about him making up the time he was away, so they have definitely had conversations about the issue of his departure and are finding ways to deal with it - and yet we're not going through it in a melodramatic way. I don't want to shove my foot up Sheldon's ass. I don't want to serve Amy a double dose of Midol. The drama of the final's big cliffhanger is just sort of quietly being brushed away as we go back to sitcom business as usual - things are light and fluffy even though the issues the writers created are not being completely ignored.

 

Thank you, writers. *pets* Nice writers.

 

 

Thanks! we had a blast going and putting it all together :)

 

Ill keep coming until I get a kiss.. ;) and maybe even after lol!

 

As I said..Ill let you all see the episode first. we can't tell you how to feel.

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Just have to share how much I love and enjoy this thread!! I appreciate all the different viewpoints and takes... It's also so refreshing to have our own Shamy zone.

Here is to a great season 8 which I think will be a big Shamy season!!!

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I was going to post this yesterday following Kerryceo03's comment above but got called away from the computer and could not finish.  Having read the posts since then I am still going to post as I think it may still apply.

 

Totally agree with Kerryceo03 on this, this thread is awesome, have not seen so many popular posts on one page before. 

 

I had been thinking of Mitchy and Kazzie's thoughts and feelings about Sheldon's final comment especially as they had been there and seen it acted out, and for those who still feel that the comment was out of line .  My initial view was that (presumably) it has only been a matter of weeks since Sheldon's return so though Sheldon will have grown slightly, it is possibly a little early to expect him to suddenly about turn in all matters related to Amy.  After all this is only the 3rd episode and what we have had to date has by far exceeded my expectations.

 

However having read others take on this I myself have jumped this particular ship and joined the others viewpoint and to be honest it scares me, as mentioned above this is only the 3rd episode, I really worry that the writers will throw us a curve ball sometime - I hope that is the correct phrase as I have no knowledge of baseball - but it seemed appropriate in view of the tittle of this episode.

 

Anyway continuing to try to be glass half full person.

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