Ship Zone [Spoilers]Leonard And Penny Season 8 Thread

[vasu]

He did this while UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL.  Penny has done ALOT of regrettable things while under the influence.  I don't see how Penny couldn't understand him making a mistake like this under specific circumstances that she has been under.

 

what if he had sex with her under the influence.....is that ok?? if so why....if not why......

[Nogravitasatall]

Nup. I'm not going to judge. Penny is the one who has agency here. Let's see how big her heart is. And how Leonard redeems himself. They weren't engaged at the time, and he was a duck* for a moment, but what are they going to do now? This is bigger than Raj, except for the actual nakedness and fondling of the genitals. This time they had made promises to each other. Nicely grey.

*my "i" key got stuck.

Edit: And, um... ONWARDS!

Edited May 8, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[TBBT78]

Haven't seen the episode yet. Can I ask was it made clear whether the girl initiated the kiss with Leonard? and did he pull away as soon as he realised what was happening?

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[meka3000]

Haven't seen the episode yet. Can I ask was it made clear whether the girl initiated the kiss with Leonard? and did he pull away as soon as he realised what was happening?

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It wasn't made clear.  But Leonard did make it clear that he put a stop to it.  He also made it clear that alcohol was involved for ALOT OF PEOPLE aboard the ship.

[nickelette424]

It wasn't made clear. But Leonard did make it clear that he put a stop to it. He also made it clear that alcohol was involved for ALOT OF PEOPLE aboard the ship.

The fact that he was drunk doesn't absolve him of guilt. All that means is that he put himself in a situation he shouldn't have.

I know that they will be fine, but why sugar coat things?

[kerrycec03]

I have to say majority of us Shamy fans really felt for Lenny and their fans.  That was rough, not gonna sugar coat it BUT I think Leonard's confession (that played out worse than expected) NEEDED to happen to make Penny realize that he is a good catch....there are so many digs through the years that Leonard couldn't get anybody else, Penny is so much hotter, etc..... well in truth that cannot be further from the truth because he has this on the back burner that he's held on to for years.  

 

They will make it through this, but no they won't get married anytime soon, and it will probably be rough for a little while.  But like the Alex situation came on to make Penny jealous...this needed to happen to almost make Penny see more value in Leonard if that makes sense.

 

Again not excusing Leonard because how it played out he was more guilty than I thought BUT he wanted to come clean and you gotta respect him for that...just two years two late..

Edited May 8, 2015 by kerrycec03

[Itwasdestined]

Have only watched the bad bit but saw some good bits in teasers on YouTube.

My take is that Penny has the moral high ground. She's had her bad moments that have caused grief for Leonard and he has done so much good for her that should give him enough credits to survive this. But she looked really hurt in that car. As I said in episode thread in too many words, one thing our Penny believes in is fidelity. She's been that way throughout the series. So regardless of her indifference to his feelings, our Leonard has some making things right again to do next season. And his hormones have a lot of explaining to do. Maybe that will make next season special for Lenny. The final penny drop ( no pun intended) . The final maturing of both. The final true understanding of their love. And a wedding to end all weddings. Here's hoping.

And is Poptart is upset with Leonard, we know he's got some explaining to do. As much as we sometimes blame Penny for her detached attitude, this is the girl that pined for Leonard for 3 months before they even got together and pined again when he took this now ill fated trip. For her absence makes the heart grow stronger. For him absence makes him miss female attention? Don't like that. But they will survive.

[TBBT78]

It wasn't made clear. But Leonard did make it clear that he put a stop to it. He also made it clear that alcohol was involved for ALOT OF PEOPLE aboard the ship.

Thanks! Seems that the writers are going to keep us dangling over the summer as to whether they get married.

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[hokie3457]

Nup. I'm not going to judge. Penny is the one who has agency here. Let's see how big her heart is. And how Leonard redeems himself. They weren't engaged at the time, and he was a duck* for a moment, but what are they going to do now? This is bigger than Raj, except for the actual nakedness and fondling of the genitals. This time they had made promises to each other. Nicely grey.

*my "i" key got stuck.

Edit: And, um... ONWARDS!

I'm holding back and holding in. Nograv, this is the essence right here. How big is her heart? I think it's larger than that of anyone in the group. The elation on her face when she was looking at him in the split second before she went from the chair to the sofa was the high point of this season for me. From there to the "I'm not happy" and a resigned look will sort of haunt me for the hiatus.

I have faith in this pair. Faith that true love exists between them. (And btw, Johnny & Kaley as always knocked it out of the park!).

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[batman75]

Hello, 

 

I have been reading responses...processing the season final...and now if I may I will like to share mine...

 

Last night hurt and it hurt because I do not like to see Leonard and Penny sad...and Penny looked so sad (Kaley and Johnny did amazing scenes). 

 

I agree with itwasdestined on the fact that Penny has one thing straight and that is fidelity because she has been hurt so much by that and I know that there are complaints of her attitude but she does care very much for Leonard. It hurt her yesterday because, even if it was delayed, you could see her waiting with dread to hear what else had happened. She has never done anything while they have been in a relationship. I knew that the writer's had to touch on that issue with Leonard because it was coming and those situations test relationships. Even if it was drunk kissing, the problem is that it happened and Leonard (not as far as I can remember) did not state if this girl kissed him out of nowhere, if she was interested in him the whole trip, and so on. And the specifics is what I think will delay Lenny on the wedding: because Penny will start thinking about those details and she knows Leonard is honest (when Leonard wanted to cheat he even went to seek Penny's advice) but she knows it goes through his head and they are human so they will hurt over this. I can also see why Leonard will wait on telling her (he had to start dating Penny again after being not together to finally tell her that he never liked the romantic movies which he never did it at the time because he wanted sex and obviously to not upset her or lose her, and that was just a small issue not this bigger thing), but I would've liked for the writers to do a built up for this. 

 

We as an audience never watched Leonard telling Penny about the drinking or hesitating on telling her this important detail at any point and this is why I understand that we feel that it came out of nowhere. Although Penny did state they talked about the drinking (wish we would've seen that)

 

But this episode was also solid for Lenny and that's why they did a great job for me on that episode. Farmer's market, the teasing, them BOTH knowing they have been delaying the wedding and getting all defensive about it. Penny jumping to the couch next to Leonard and the way she said "I'm free tonight" and the way she looked at him and his resolve...my heart melted with them. Then when they were in their way to Vegas, and you could feel both sides, Leonard wanting to start clean even if it was just kissing and Penny hurting...it was a bittersweet episode. But this is why we know we love them, because we care. 

 

Personally, I will like a bigger wedding event for Lenny but at this point I cannot tell if they will get married in Vegas or not. Penny said she wanted a church and I will love for them to get the wedding they talked about. But they still got things to get through. Leonard in particular has some work to do on this one. I read on tumblr somebody saying that they will break up but I do not think that is the situation, they have to work on this and I hope that we see a wedding in Season 9 worthy of our Lenny. 

 

i have to get to work, sorry if my thoughts are all over the place...and even though if happens every year..I ask myself once again how will I go through the hiatus...

 

xo

Edited May 8, 2015 by batman75

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

Leonard has wanted to hold her hand and walk through life with Penny since the day he first laid eyes on her. Thus, the "Our children will be smart and beautiful line". He didn't just want her for sex because she was pretty and hot. He wanted to have a life with her and the single-minded intensity of his love defined him. His irrational, unrealistic, shining and pure devotion was the beacon which pulled Penny to him across the hall, over the years, through the fights and break-ups, and in spite of the other lovers each may have had.( I believe Leonard's other relationships showed that he is a desirable partner and kept him from being too pathetic when he wasn't with Penny. Not that he was a sleezeball and not that he ever totally gave up on her.))  He proved time and time again that he loved Penny so much. He easily forgave her for the hurt she caused him.

 

Of all the obstacles this crazy, unrealistic, unlikely romance (which bloomed in the soil of a wacky sitcom) has  overcome, Leonard's possible infidelity was never a worry for me. I've been able to overlook, forgive or ignore his many imperfections because of a basic goodness I find in his character and because of the steadfastness of his love for Penny. ( And, okay, because short and sexy is his wheelhouse.) The specter of Leonard's infidelity blows a big hole in MY interpretation of the Penny and Leonard story. Older and wiser about the transience of romantic love as I may be, Leonard and Penny spoke to the dormant, young, optimistic romantic which still lingers in my heart.

 

A second watching of the episode made me even sadder than the first.    I'm anxious to see how it all plays out for Penny and Leonard. If Penny is able to forgive or understand, I'm still in.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Strawberry PopTart Fan

[hokie3457]

Sad terms it well Strawberry. I'm not angry. Not even upset really. Just sad. Leonard was different in every way from other men in her life. That he should trip as he did changes certain aspects of him in her eyes. The key here is how it plays out for Penny. As Nograv termed it, we will find out the size (and from Jackson Browne, the shape) of her heart.

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Edited May 8, 2015 by hokie3457

[Tonstar17]

I never thought I see the day where I go poor Penny. I really felt for her in the car scene, the look of disappointment, heartbroken and dejected. I don't care what people say about what penny had done in the past. This is total betrayal by Leonard and one thing I would give penny credit for is she has never cheated on him. I don't know why the writers decided to go down this road but like I said in previous post this is so out of character for Leonard as I write this I'm fucking pissed about this. Leonard had taken a battering this season already but no that's not enough. Let make him the bad guy and not the loving caring kind man that Penny fell in love with. Instead we got a lying, cheating, cheapskate and pathetic Leonard. I don't know what is going happen to lenny in season 9 but I hope they give us an insight into WHY? I still love lenny and hope they work through this manor setback and come back much stronger and together. I don't blame you Leonard. I blame the bloody writer. Hope you're happy with yourselves. Okay I'm done now. I need to find a happy place to hang out.

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Edited May 8, 2015 by Tonstar17

[TBBT78]

Sad terms it well Strawberry. I'm not angry. Not even upset really. Just sad. Leonard was different in every way from other men in her life. That he should trip as he did changes certain aspects of him in her eyes. The key here is how it plays out for Penny. As Nograv termed it, we will find out the size (and from Jackson Browne, the shape) of her heart.

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Sad and perhaps a little disappointed maybe? Leonard may have cheated on Priya, but I guess we didn't think it was possible with Penny. That being said I think it will be fine, although maybe the elopement won't happen now.

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[hokie3457]

Not disappointed in him., really. Disappointed for Penny.

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[meka3000]

Have only watched the bad bit but saw some good bits in teasers on YouTube.

My take is that Penny has the moral high ground. She's had her bad moments that have caused grief for Leonard and he has done so much good for her that should give him enough credits to survive this. But she looked really hurt in that car. As I said in episode thread in too many words, one thing our Penny believes in is fidelity. She's been that way throughout the series. 

 

Eh..... that's not necessarily true.  At least her dialogue in The Vacation Solution seems to suggest otherwise, "You know, I’m a big believer in breaking bad news to a guy when you’re in bed with him. That’s how I told my high school boyfriend I slept with his brother. That’s how I told his brother the same thing."

[Chrismo]

Eh..... that's not necessarily true.  At least her dialogue in The Vacation Solution seems to suggest otherwise, "You know, I’m a big believer in breaking bad news to a guy when you’re in bed with him. That’s how I told my high school boyfriend I slept with his brother. That’s how I told his brother the same thing."

Yea. The writers seems to forget their own throwaway lines.

[meka3000]

Yea. The writers seems to forget their own throwaway lines.

 

So why should we?  Also nothing in the episode has shown that Penny feels she has a moral high ground in this situation.  Notice how her first reaction was that she thought Leonard was trying to sabatoge their own wedding?

The fact that he was drunk doesn't absolve him of guilt. All that means is that he put himself in a situation he shouldn't have.

I know that they will be fine, but why sugar coat things?

 

Where did I sugar coat things? I never said he was absolved of all responsibility.

[Tensor]

Penny did a lot of things in high scoop she now regrets. And that was before her experiences with Kurt and Mike. While she wouldn't have the moral high ground in the case of her high school boyfriend, in this situation with Leonard, she does. And yet, she didn't break up with him, did confirm that she loved him, and didn't have him stop and turn around, although I don't think they will get married. The beginning off season 9 will give her time to process that, along with them planning for their actual wedding. I still firmly believe that the actual wedding will be in February, during sweeps, in the 200th episode.

[Tonstar17]

Penny did a lot of things in high scoop she now regrets. And that was before her experiences with Kurt and Mike. While she wouldn't have the moral high ground in the case of her high school boyfriend, in this situation with Leonard, she does. And yet, she didn't break up with him, did confirm that she loved him, and didn't have him stop and turn around, although I don't think they will get married. The beginning off season 9 will give her time to process that, along with them planning for their actual wedding. I still firmly believe that the actual wedding will be in February, during sweeps, in the 200th episode.

I still think penny's past should not be used to excuse Leonards behaviour. Most of the things she did was before she met him or they weren't in a relationship so penny does not deserve this. Yeah she hurt him in other ways but what Leonard did is unforgivable. Penny will eventually forgive him but she will never forget. She trusted him and has always been faithful to him. I guess the writes have found another way not to bring up, discuss and set a date for the wedding in S9.

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[Guest]

I kind of think that the same thing might have happened to Penny on one of the girls nights out that either B or A will remind her of because she was so drunk and didn't remember

[Tonstar17]

I kind of think that the same thing might have happened to Penny on one of the girls nights out that either B or A will remind her of because she was so drunk and didn't remember

I could see that happening. I always thought that Penny has secrets Leonard doesn't know about. But that's only because the writers can do what they want with the characters. I could see something coming out about penny but will probably be near the end of S9

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Edited May 8, 2015 by Tonstar17

[Kathy2611]

I keep thinking this whole kissing thing was left open for a reason. It feels a lot like the Penny/Raj "did they or didn't they" for the writers to take the summer to get the fans reaction. It was never mentioned WHO initiated the kissing. Just that they kissed and "there was kissing."

I feel like if the reaction from fans is "mostly bad" we'll find out that the girl kissed him. But if it's "not too bad" he kissed her.

There's still way too many questions that haven't been answered. Who started it? How long did it last? Closed mouth or open w/ tongue? Were they alone or in a room with a ton of people?

Does anyone else feel that way?

[puremorning]

I really don't want to find out a "drunken mistake" from Penny too. It wouldn't justify Leonard's mistake and just create much bigger mess.

[Chrismo]

I keep thinking this whole kissing thing was left open for a reason. It feels a lot like the Penny/Raj "did they or didn't they" for the writers to take the summer to get the fans reaction. It was never mentioned WHO initiated the kissing. Just that they kissed and "there was kissing."

I feel like if the reaction from fans is "mostly bad" we'll find out that the girl kissed him. But if it's "not too bad" he kissed her.

There's still way too many questions that haven't been answered. Who started it? How long did it last? Closed mouth or open w/ tongue? Were they alone or in a room with a ton of people?

Does anyone else feel that way?

I do. People on here remember what happened in the season 7 opener and saw a picture of what may have happened. I can tell your a Shamy by you closed mouth or open w/tongue comment.LOL