S8 Discussion Thread

[Itwasdestined]

Well a stress release shoot out sounds good. They all gather to deal with their differences. Penny V Emily, Howard V Stuart. Kinda similar to when Raj and Howard went at it I think in s4. Leonard mediated haha. Sheldon and Wheton renew their rivarly. Amy and Bernadette sort out their issues. Leonard and Raj watch their girls go at it, "this is hot"

And the writers are so into callbacks to earlier episodes this season so it is a possibility.

[Guest]

Well a stress release shoot out sounds good. They all gather to deal with their differences. Penny V Emily, Howard V Stuart. Kinda similar to when Raj and Howard went at it I think in s4. Leonard mediated haha. Sheldon and Wheton renew their rivarly. Amy and Bernadette sort out their issues. Leonard and Raj watch their girls go at it, "this is hot"

 

11/10 would watch.

[tmp]

I hope we get a script cover tomorrow.

 

We didn't get one last time, and it makes me wonder what wild speculation would have resulted if we had known the title was "The Clean Room Infiltration".

[Nogravitasatall]

I hope we get a script cover tomorrow.

We didn't get one last time, and it makes me wonder what wild speculation would have resulted if we had known the title was "The Clean Room Infiltration".

What would be the title of the episode where they all drunkenly snog while eating popcorn in the limo, after playing paintball on the way back from picking up Sheldon from the his cross country trip on a sleeper car with Amy after visiting the ruins of the partly built Superconducting Super Collider in Texas after they visited meemaw... on their honeymoon?

[phantagrae]

Amazing.  Lots of cherry-picking going on...

 

For the record, whoever it is that accused me of hating L/P, etc., you are wrong.  I've never hated Leonard and Penny.  I've always rooted for them to be together and I've known from when I first started watching that they were endgame.  No doubt--even while Priya was there.  I always knew Priya was short-term and that L/P would end up together--and deserved to be together.

They obviously love each other more than anyone else either of them has dated since they met.  They love each other enough to be supportive, even when one or the other was with someone else.

I love Leonard and Penny together and don't hate anything about their relationship.

 

I also don't hate the Raj/Penny incident.  And I don't think that Penny would be wrong if she chose not to tell Leonard any details about that night if he didn't ask her.  And I don't think Leonard would want to ask her.  As someone else said, he seems to have forgiven her--that's in his nature--and he has apparently decided that Leonard and Penny 2.0 is a fresh start.

 

That the writers are using the dalliance as a device in Raj's new phase doesn't change Leonard's willingness to forgive and forget (and really, again, Penny didn't betray Leonard since they were not at all together.)

 

As for skipping scenes, I watch everything.  And then I watch it again.  When I'm watching old episodes on TBS I might tune out during some Raj/Lucy scene, since I found her fairly tedious, but I still follow the entire episode.  I even say the dialog along with the TV sometimes.

 

Yes, I'm a Sheldonist and I don't apologize for that.  I love Jim Parsons and I think he's a fantastic actor and I can't take my eyes off of him most of the time.  I even love it when he's being rude to the others because that's what his character does.  If he was all mushy and gooey sweet, he would be OOC, just like if Leonard came in and started hating on everyone, he would be OOC because that's not his nature.

 

Each of the characters has a function and a role and a certain type of behavior because that's the way they were created and how they function in relation to each other.

So, yeah, I didn't have a problem with Itchy Brain, and I didn't have a problem with the S7 finale.

 

The only storyline I've found at all kind of disappointing that I can think of is the premise of Mommy Observation because I don't like the fact that they had Mrs. Cooper go so far astray.  While she's never been perfect, it just kind of bothered me that they couldn't leave her integrity intact.  I do wonder whether or not they're going to bring up her feet of clay in a future episode, once Sheldon starts to take further steps toward coitus, but I don't know what the writers have in mind as far as whether or not Mary's beliefs and teachings have any bearing on Sheldon's behavior--but that's an entirely different discussion.

 

But I still loved that episode in the end.  I think they handled it fairly well, all things considered.  And it had one of the most subtle and perfect scenes showing Jim Parsons at his nuanced best.  "I'm a grown man..."

 

At any rate, I'm a fan of this show in its entirety.  And the callbacks to the Raj/Penny incident don't bother me at all.

Edited December 2, 2014 by phantagrae

[Guest]

What would be the title of the episode where they all drunkenly snog while eating popcorn in the limo, after playing paintball on the way back from picking up Sheldon from the his cross country trip on a sleeper car with Amy after visiting the ruins of the partly built Superconducting Super Collider in Texas after they visited meemaw... on their honeymoon?

 

Potato?

[djsurrey]

Yes it is that simple. Can you provide your definition of, "hold their liquor" for me. For me, Penny not remembering vs Raj being able to perform sexually to the point of prematurely ejacculation means Penny didn't hold her liquor as well as Raj did. I'm talking about the result, not how the got there.

 

I never use that terminology so I don't know why you would ask me for a definition of it. I don't use it because it is just a colloquialism easily misunderstood. I think holding one's liquor means being able to drinking without vomiting or passing out. People tend to generalize terms so what it actually means to a given individual could quite variable. I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with having a blackout.

 

Raj is a strange character when it comes to drinking. Before season 7 he only needed to think he was drinking alcohol to be able to talk to women. He could become an ass after just tasting a drink. I don't recall ever seeing Raj though up as a result of drinking. We have seen Leonard, Sheldon and Penny though up after drinking too much. On the other hand Raj seems quite impaired judgement having had very little or even next to nothing to drink. Could be that just being around women already impairs his judgement it takes next to nothing to put him over the edge.

 

One thing is for sure. He was not in control. It probably had more to do with him being with Penny than the alcohol. Never the less he appears to have been unable to finish what was started. Not the sign of a man in control.

[Tensor]

I never use that terminology so I don't know why you would ask me for a definition of it.

Well, you seem to be dogging me for using it, when I was just answering the original poster, using the term they used. Since you don't seem to like using it, I thought you could provide the reasoning based on your definition.

 

I don't use it because it is just a colloquialism easily misunderstood. I think holding one's liquor means being able to drinking without vomiting or passing out. People tend to generalize terms so what it actually means to a given individual could quite variable. I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with having a blackout.

 

Then why are you jumping on me for this?  I was answering the person using the term they used.  If you object to it, why not talk to them and explain to them why the term isn't good enough for you?  You may not think so, but I would say that blacking out would be a case of not holding your liquor. That's why I wanted your definition.

 

He could become an ass after just tasting a drink.

To quote Howard, "he was an ass without drinking, you just didn't hear it."

 

One thing is for sure. He was not in control. It probably had more to do with him being with Penny than the alcohol.

Can you define being in control and explain how Raj doesn't fit that description? Also, how exactly

 

Never the less he appears to have been unable to finish what was started. Not the sign of a man in control.

Premature ejaculation does not mean a person wasn't in control of the situation leading to sex. I have no idea where you would get that idea. I would also like to understand how you think he was supposedly so drunk, but still ended up with premature ejaculation when alcohol depresses erections and delays orgasms.

[Tensor]

I'm trying to remember examples of what you are talking about. I don't see a big change in Penny in that respect. The change I really notice is her going after her career with a big sense of purpose and new confidence.

6.11 The Santa Simulation. Talk about the playing D & D

6.12 The Egg Salad Equivalency Talk about Penny being insecure about Alex

6.15 The Spoiler Alert Segmentation and 6.16 The Tangible Affection Proof In both, Penny has serious commitment issues. At the end of 6.16, they discuss those.

6.19 The Closet Reconfiguration Penny and Leonard talk about having an "Adult" party.

6.20 The Tenure Turbulence Penny and Leonard discuss helping him with his career

6.21 The Closure Alternative Penny and Leonard talk about her passions vs his passions

6.24 The Bon Voyage Reaction Penny and Leonard discuss his leaving, with Penny openly encouraging him to go. Something she couldn't do in season 2

7.08 The Thanksgiving Decoupling While they were tense and upset, they discuss Penny's marriage to Zack without screaming at each other, as they did in season 3

7.12 The Hesitation Ramification and 7.13 The Occupation Recalibration They discuss Penny's part being cut, marriage proposal and her quiting the cheesecake factory.

7.16 The Table Polarization They discuss getting furniture and not letting Sheldon dominate Leonard

7.17 The Friendship Turbulence They discuss Penny not taking a job, her problems with her car, and her going back to the Cheesecake factory.

7.19 The Indecision Amalgamation They discuss her taking the part in a movie and the script. They also have a conversation with Wil Wheaton.

7.22 The Proton Transmogrification They discuss life, regrets and marriage proposals.

7.23 The Gorilla Dissolution The discuss, with Wil Wheaton and alone, Penny career and have a conversation on marriage, leading to their proposals.

[phantagrae]

Well, you seem to be dogging me for using it, when I was just answering the original poster, using the term they used. Since you don't seem to like using it, I thought you could provide the reasoning based on your definition.  Then why are you jumping on me for this?  I was answering the person using the term they used.  If you object to it, why not talk to them and explain to them why the term isn't good enough for you?  You may not think so, but I would say that blacking out would be a case of not holding your liquor. That's why I wanted your definition. To quote Howard, "he was an ass without drinking, you just didn't hear it." Can you define being in control and explain how Raj doesn't fit that description? Also, how exactly Premature ejaculation does not mean a person wasn't in control of the situation leading to sex. I have no idea where you would get that idea. I would also like to understand how you think he was supposedly so drunk, but still ended up with premature ejaculation when alcohol depresses erections and delays orgasms.

Dang, I regret my contribution to this tedium...

[Tensor]

Dang, I regret my contribution to this tedium...

Yeah, I didn't mean to make it sound as if it was your fault. It wasn't. Mea Culpa.

[phantagrae]

Yeah, I didn't mean to make it sound as if it was your fault. It wasn't. Mea Culpa.

I think this discussion, since it's become more and more about Leonard and Penny, should probably migrate to the Lenny thread.

There's got to be something else we can talk about in this thread.

[Tensor]

I think this discussion, since it's become more and more about Leonard and Penny, should probably migrate to the Lenny thread.

There's got to be something else we can talk about in this thread.

 

Actually, it probably belongs in the Shipping Lanes thread.   Well, hopefully, we get to argue about what words are in the title tomorrow.     Hiatuses  suck.

[3ku11]

I think this discussion, since it's become more and more about Leonard and Penny, should probably migrate to the Lenny thread.

There's got to be something else we can talk about in this thread.

It also extends to Shamy too. But yeah I agree

[djsurrey]

She can hold her liquor a lot better than Raj can.

Not in this case. Not remembering is indicative of not holding her liquor. He apparently did hold his liquor well enough to remember, not to mention he must not have been as drunk as you seemingly want or need him to be here, because being that drunk would seriously inhibits quick performance. First interfering with his erections, then inhibiting the ability to attain a climax.

Well, you seem to be dogging me for using it, when I was just answering the original poster, using the term they used. Since you don't seem to like using it, I thought you could provide the reasoning based on your definition.

 

 

Then why are you jumping on me for this?  I was answering the person using the term they used.  If you object to it, why not talk to them and explain to them why the term isn't good enough for you?  You may not think so, but I would say that blacking out would be a case of not holding your liquor. That's why I wanted your definition.

Oh. I was originally reacting to the suggestion that "Not remembering is indicative of not holding her liquor." I was pointing out studies are very nuanced in describing what is going out when people have blackouts. They may in fact keep functioning with many complex behaviors.

 

My image of someone not holding their liquor is of someone vomiting uncontrollably or perhaps lying down trying to avoid vomiting. When I looked up blackouts the description is quite different. The description was one of a person who is moving around doing all sorts of stuff. This seeming discrepancy is what I reacted to.

Edited December 3, 2014 by djsurrey

[Tensor]

My image of someone not holding their liquor is of someone vomiting uncontrollably or perhaps lying down trying to avoid vomiting. When I looked up blackouts the description is quite different. The description was one of a person who is moving all sorts of stuff. This seeming discrepancy is what I reacted to.

My image is one of vomiting, passing out, or blacking out. But, since he remembered and prematurely ejaculated (which isn't indicative of being heavily under the influence) to me he was doing a better job of handling what he drank. Not to mention, Penny specifically stated she would be interested, IF THEY WEREN'T FRIENDS. If she was doing such a good job of holding her liquor, she wouldn't have willingly been in bed with Raj. The only reason she was there, is because she was under the influence, i.e. not handling her liquor.

[tmp]

 

S8 discussion thread drinking game!

Drink whenever...

1. Raj/Penny S4 argument.
2. Pointless arguing between Shamy and Lenny fans
3. Sheldon is an ass!
4. But the S7 finale...... 
5. HOW COME NO KISSING!!!!!! 
6. Skullchel flirting.
7. Someone walking in and saying popcorn anyone.

 

 

Can I post a bunch of those things just as an excuse to get drunk?

[Nogravitasatall]

Can I post a bunch of those things just as an excuse to get drunk?

Yes, you can. And keep posting as you go down the list. Post 8 should be pretty good if you're on Long Island Teas. LOL.

[Martin Pollard]

The way things are going in this thread, anyone attempting to play that drinking game is gonna die of alcohol poisoning.

[phantagrae]

My image is one of vomiting, passing out, or blacking out. But, since he remembered and prematurely ejaculated (which isn't indicative of being heavily under the influence) to me he was doing a better job of handling what he drank. Not to mention, Penny specifically stated she would be interested, IF THEY WEREN'T FRIENDS. If she was doing such a good job of holding her liquor, she wouldn't have willingly been in bed with Raj. The only reason she was there, is because she was under the influence, i.e. not handling her liquor.

Just one last note.

By "holding one's liquor", I was simply referring to the fact that it takes a lot less for Raj to get drunk than it does Penny, which simply means that Penny has more tolerance, being an experienced drinker, and apparently having built up a physical tolerance.

Sheldon can't really hold his liquor, either, really. It takes him only a drink or two to start losing his inhibitions and saying or doing foolish things. The same is true for Raj. He probably has more experience/tolerance now than when he first started drinking, but we've seen again and again that he often ends up making foolish mistakes when he drinks.

As for Penny passing out, that doesn't mean that she wasn't aware of what she was doing, in the drunken mistake way, when she first went to bed with Raj. I think, just going by character dynamics, they were both feeling lonely and pathetic, which led them to seek solace with each other. I just think that Penny wasn't unwilling or unknowing when it happened. If she was aware enough to be trying to put the condom on him, then she wasn't an unwilling participant. They both simply made a drunken choice they would not have made under normal circumstances.

[hokie3457]

Sorry phanta. Not buying it. When Penny woke up the next morning she was surprised by where she was and shocked by who she was with. Raj had to tell her what happened, as she was unaware of what she was doing.

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Edited December 3, 2014 by hokie3457

[phantagrae]

Sorry phanta. Not buying it. When Penny woke up the next morning she was surprised by where she was and shocked by who she was with. Raj had to tell her what happened, as she was unaware of what she was doing.

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So you're saying that she put the condom on him while she was unconscious?

 

I'm not saying she didn't pass out or that she wasn't very drunk (she had to be, IMO, to do something so outrageous), but that it's not like she was passed out and he raped her.

 

She was aware enough to participate, which means, to me, that Raj didn't force her.

 

I think they were both willing participants and both took advantage of each other.  They were both feeling emotionally needy and drunkenly sought some kind of solace with each other.

But I don't think Raj "took advantage of her" any more than she took advantage of him.

 

And Penny even admits the next day that this is the kind of thing she does.  Granted, the example she offers is very juvenile, but it's the same thing.  She was unhappy about something, so she does something outrageous.

I don't think she was trying to get back at Leonard or whatever, she was simply, as Amy put it, seeking to reward some part of her brain.

 

And Raj, well, I think he was simply looking for anything to assuage the loneliness.

 

Besides, I don't think the writers intended to imply that Raj is some kind of date rapist.

Edited December 3, 2014 by phantagrae

[notchinc]

Come on Wednesday morning!!!

[phantagrae]

Come on Wednesday morning!!!

 

I want Prady to post a script cover.  Dude's been slacking!

 

Or anyone to post a script cover!

[Chrismo]

So you're saying that she put the condom on him while she was unconscious?

 

I'm not saying she didn't pass out or that she wasn't very drunk (she had to be, IMO, to do something so outrageous), but that it's not like she was passed out and he raped her.

 

She was aware enough to participate, which means, to me, that Raj didn't force her.

 

I think they were both willing participants and both took advantage of each other.  They were both feeling emotionally needy and drunkenly sought some kind of solace with each other.

But I don't think Raj "took advantage of her" any more than she took advantage of him.

Raj told Penny what happened in the bedroom that night. She may have put the condom on him but she obviously didn't remember doing it. Everything else IMO is conjecture.