Chrismo Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The argument over who is more important to Sheldon is ridiculous. Both Leonard and Amy are important to him. He doesn't want Leonard to move out. But that doesn't mean he doesn't want Amy to move in so much as he's scared of the commitment. You know, like Penny has been scared of commitment? That didn't mean Leonard wasn't important to her.Actions speak louder than words. Aren't you the one that doesn't like comparing the couples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denajeanx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The argument over who is more important to Sheldon is ridiculous. Both Leonard and Amy are important to him. He doesn't want Leonard to move out. But that doesn't mean he doesn't want Amy to move in so much as he's scared of the commitment. You know, like Penny has been scared of commitment? That didn't mean Leonard wasn't important to her. There's so much importance being put on the tag scene, it makes me laugh. Like, it's a punchline. Nothing more. Sounds like a bunch of kids that got told they can't have ice cream for dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I didn't like this episode/moment either, but it wasn't meant to be their mutual ILY from the start, that was sadly, just writers way to broke them up. Their real ILY was perfect and uninterrupted. And what about his declaration of love for Priya in between? I'm not quite sure how Leonard not even starting to say I love you( like at least Amy did) at any point counts as mutual in that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Actions speak louder than words. Aren't you the one that doesn't like comparing the couples? Is that your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiab Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I don't know about others but I'm not a fan of the tag scene joke. I don't like Sheldon involving with any Lenny scenes. I see that Phanta was trying to explain why they included Sheldon in the tag scene, and it seems like a kind of jokes the writers love using. I don't understand why some people like attacking other ships or trying to make us feel bad about our ship. Is it a fun thing to do? We all love TBBT, why don't we try to be more considerate toward other shippers? We already have a debate zone for shipping war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starsamaria Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I honestly think they have Sheldon with Leonard and Penny not just to interrupt L/P or add to the comedy, but because those 3 are a major dynamic of the show. These 3 are the big 3 characters of the show, so obviously the writers will give them scenes together, with S/L, S/P, and L/P each having their own dynamics. I do think the writers have gone overboard in involving Sheldon in L/P scenes that are about their relationship, but that's not true of every scene where all 3 are present. That being said, I think I much prefer Sheldon/Amy/Leonard/Penny scenes - I think they're more refreshing, especially after 8 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 This fascinates me, especially because some L/P fans get so snippy that they have to denigrate S/A. If Amy loves Sheldon, knowing how he feels about Leonard, why should anyone else care? And if Sheldon loves Amy, that doesn't mean that he wants her to live with him--two different issues to him (and to me, btw.) That doesn't mean he can't still cling to Leonard as his best friend and roommate. And if Sheldon has issues with change, that's the way it's going to play out. I don't think I've ever seen Shamy fans complain about Leonard and Penny. It seems like it's the Lennys who gripe about her behavior or about Leonard's behavior (remember all the SCANDAL! about Leonard showing the video of Serial Apeist to his shipmates?) And L/P breaking up had nothing to do with Sheldon or his influence on their lives. That was all on them. I don't think the writers dislike L/P or prefer Shamy or anything like that. Why all the bitterness? The deal with L/P is that they're the main couple and they're the ones that are going to go through the most ups and downs because of their endgame status, especially since they can't have them get together right away and then live happily ever after. That's not the story that the writers are telling, no matter what some fans think. What I've seen repeatedly is a completely different idea from the fans of what is funny, what is in character, and what serves the ultimate longterm story goal. Whether or not the writers choose to break up any of the other couples won't ever change the ups and downs of L/P. There's no point in wishing "revenge" on Sheldon and Amy for L/P's breakup. What's the point in that? I've always rooted for the Lenny, but I wasn't heartbroken when they broke up because I knew it wouldn't be permanent, even when Leonard was dating Priya and saying that they were in love and might get married. To me, it was always obvious that he and Penny would end up together, so the stuff in between was just the roller coaster ride, not the end of the story. Yeah, I would probably feel badly if Sheldon and Amy broke up, but I think the tenor of their relationship is different from that of Leonard and Penny. I think that the L/P relationship is much more conventional in terms of how they got together and the hurdles they've faced. They're obviously much more normal, but they have issues they've dealt with--mostly Penny, I think, realizing that Leonard is a better man than all the guys she's dated before, even if he isn't some hunky guy from the gym or whatever, and Leonard getting over his insecurities, etc.. With Sheldon and Amy, they have issues as well, but they're of a different kind, and because of their mutual approach to each other, a break-up seems less likely. Just like I don't see Howard and Bernie breaking up. They had a spat and were apart for certain reasons, but once Howard got over his fantasy issues, they've been mostly fine ever since. Even so, people wishing a breakup onto Shamy just so the Shamy fans can feel the way some Lenny fans did is pretty childish. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mislav Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Didn't your mummy & Daddy explain to you to stay out of friends love life... I guess not. Sent from my SM-N910F using TapatalkDidn't your mommy and daddy taught you to think before you speak-or write? Sheldon wasn't interrupting their relationship and what you just wrote has nothing to do with the issue that denajeanx was addressing. Edited December 10, 2014 by Mislav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is that your argument?Sheldon chose Leonard over Amy at least in the tag.He was referencing who is more important to him. I can't even believe I have to explain this to a bunch of grown ass men. If you had to choose who is more important, your parents/siblings (which Leonard is to Sheldon) or your significant other, are you telling me that you could easily make that choice? I couldn't because they are important for different reasons, mainly because you love these people in two completely different ways. Hence, two different kinds of love.If your a man in his thirties. Yes it's an easy choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mislav Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Sheldon chose Leonard over Amy at least in the tag.If your a man in his thirties. Yes it's an easy choice. So much of narrow-mindedness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denajeanx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Sheldon chose Leonard over Amy at least in the tag.If your a man in his thirties. Yes it's an easy choice. Well, damn. Guess I should chose between my family and a 13 year relationship then. You're trying to justify a point that isn't justifiable. But, continue. I am enjoying this. Edited December 10, 2014 by denajeanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Sheldon chose Leonard over Amy at least in the tag.If your a man in his thirties. Yes it's an easy choice. No he didn't. Amy was not involved. Sheldon was choosing Leonard over sleeping in an apartment alone. If Amy was living there, it would be different, but she's not. Right now, the issue is not Amy living with Sheldon. That will come later, probably after Leonard is gone. Right now, they are addressing Sheldon and Leonard's relationship only, and solely how Sheldon feels in regards to his best friend and roommate for 10+ years someday leaving. His sadness or unwillingness to let him go is no reflection of how he feels for Amy. This "choosing Leonard over Amy" nonsense is baffling to me. Like, because he's in love with Amy, he can't feel sad over his best friend leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy2611 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Somebody make some popcorn gifs!! I don't know how to! [emoji12] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Didn't your mommy and daddy taught you to think before you speak-or write? Sheldon wasn't interrupting their relationship and what you just wrote has nothing to do with the issue that deajeanx was addressing. Coming from the shamy shipper that thinks he ships lenny too..because we are always wrong. She was being desrespectful but you didn't see that did you. Of course not... Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 This fascinates me, especially because some L/P fans get so snippy that they have to denigrate S/A. If Amy loves Sheldon, knowing how he feels about Leonard, why should anyone else care? And if Sheldon loves Amy, that doesn't mean that he wants her to live with him--two different issues to him (and to me, btw.) That doesn't mean he can't still cling to Leonard as his best friend and roommate. And if Sheldon has issues with change, that's the way it's going to play out. I don't think I've ever seen Shamy fans complain about Leonard and Penny. It seems like it's the Lennys who gripe about her behavior or about Leonard's behavior (remember all the SCANDAL! about Leonard showing the video of Serial Apeist to his shipmates?) And L/P breaking up had nothing to do with Sheldon or his influence on their lives. That was all on them. I don't think the writers dislike L/P or prefer Shamy or anything like that. Why all the bitterness? The deal with L/P is that they're the main couple and they're the ones that are going to go through the most ups and downs because of their endgame status, especially since they can't have them get together right away and then live happily ever after. That's not the story that the writers are telling, no matter what some fans think. What I've seen repeatedly is a completely different idea from the fans of what is funny, what is in character, and what serves the ultimate longterm story goal. Whether or not the writers choose to break up any of the other couples won't ever change the ups and downs of L/P. There's no point in wishing "revenge" on Sheldon and Amy for L/P's breakup. What's the point in that? I've always rooted for the Lenny, but I wasn't heartbroken when they broke up because I knew it wouldn't be permanent, even when Leonard was dating Priya and saying that they were in love and might get married. To me, it was always obvious that he and Penny would end up together, so the stuff in between was just the roller coaster ride, not the end of the story. Yeah, I would probably feel badly if Sheldon and Amy broke up, but I think the tenor of their relationship is different from that of Leonard and Penny. I think that the L/P relationship is much more conventional in terms of how they got together and the hurdles they've faced. They're obviously much more normal, but they have issues they've dealt with--mostly Penny, I think, realizing that Leonard is a better man than all the guys she's dated before, even if he isn't some hunky guy from the gym or whatever, and Leonard getting over his insecurities, etc.. With Sheldon and Amy, they have issues as well, but they're of a different kind, and because of their mutual approach to each other, a break-up seems less likely. Just like I don't see Howard and Bernie breaking up. They had a spat and were apart for certain reasons, but once Howard got over his fantasy issues, they've been mostly fine ever since. Even so, people wishing a breakup onto Shamy just so the Shamy fans can feel the way some Lenny fans did is pretty childish. IMO Yes, all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzie Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Me reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 He was referencing who is more important to him. I can't even believe I have to explain this to a bunch of grown ass men. If you had to choose who is more important, your parents/siblings (which Leonard is to Sheldon) or your significant other, are you telling me that you could easily make that choice? I couldn't because they are important for different reasons, mainly because you love these people in two completely different ways. Hence, two different kinds of love. Um... yes. That's why I moved out and away. It's what many people do... Sheldon is holding on a little bit too tightly. Across the hall is too far away. That's why its funny. But its not a normal behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well, damn. Guess I should have chose between my family and a 13 year relationship then. You're trying to justify a point that isn't justifiable. But, continue. I am enjoying this.Leonard is not his familyNo he didn't. Amy was not involved. Sheldon was choosing Leonard over sleeping in an apartment alone. If Amy was living there, it would be different, but she's not. Right now, the issue is not Amy living with Sheldon. That will come later, probably after Leonard is gone. Right now, they are addressing Sheldon and Leonard's relationship only, and solely how Sheldon feels in regards to his best friend and roommate for 10+ years someday leaving. His sadness or unwillingness to let him go is no reflection of how he feels for Amy. This "choosing Leonard over Amy" nonsense is baffling to me. Like, because he's in love with Amy, he can't feel sad over his best friend leaving?Leonard would be moving across the hall not out of state. But it is a reflection on Amy if he's so concerned on Leonard moving. If this show was reality (and I know it's not) Leonard would have just packed up and moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yes, all of this. Really. S7 E24. No lenny bashing. Funny how ppls forget what they want to Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Had this drinking game someone posted here an "endless silly shippers wars" option ? I have a bottle of vodka soon to be expired I could put in good use here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mislav Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Coming from the shamy shipper that thinks he ships lenny too..because we are always wrong. She was being desrespectful but you didn't see that did you. Of course not... Sent from my SM-N910F using TapatalkI don't "think" that I ship Lenny, I know that I ship it too, and only because I don't agree with your arguments doesn't mean that I don't ship them nor that I think that all Lenny shippers are wrong. If you go over my author page on fanfiction.net, you will see that I write both Lenny and Shamy. There are both Lenny and Shamy stories on my favorite list. Actually, only one fanfiction that I wrote so far is pure Shamy. My only ongoing story in this fandom so far is both Shamy and Lenny fic. All other stories are about guys's and girls's friendships and non-canon pairings (such as Stuart/Lucy). As far as I remember, the only thing that I didn't agree with regarding Lenny relationship is complaining about Sheldon "interrupting" Lenny scenes. The fact that the argument dragged out for so long is another thing. Edited December 10, 2014 by Mislav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Really. S7 E24. No lenny bashing. Funny how ppls forget what they want toSent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalkphanta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Um... yes. That's why I moved out and away. It's what many people do... Sheldon is holding on a little bit too tightly. Across the hall is too far away. That's why its funny. But its not a normal behaviour. Ah but see... deciding who you're gonna live with doesn't mean you place more importance on that person. If I decide to move in with my SO, does that mean I think they are more important than my family? Some may say yes, I suppose, but I disagree. But this isn't about Sheldon choosing who he wants to live with, anyway. He just doesn't want Leonard to go, however he's making progress on that front. And that's it. It's all moot anyway. We know eventually both couple will end up living together, and they'll all spend plenty of time together like before. Really. S7 E24. No lenny bashing. Funny how ppls forget what they want to Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk I don't know what you're trying to say. Was this supposed to be directed at me? Edited December 10, 2014 by Maddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 phanta? I think that some Shamy fans were upset that L/P didn't call Amy when Sheldon left or that Penny kicked Amy out when she was interrupting their dinner, but that wasn't about Lenny bashing, IMO. THey weren't saying that L/P didn't have a real relationship or trying to denigrate the couple. That was a specific reaction to a specific scene, and, I'd like to point out, not one that was ship-wide. I had no problem with either of those moments and I know there were others who were not bothered by them. To me, both of those scenes made sense as they played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's all moot anyway. We know eventually both couple will end up living together, and they'll all spend plenty of time together like before.I don't know what you're trying to say. Was this supposed to be directed at me?So why the need for the Sheldon theatrics? BTW I believe Tonstar noticed you agreeing with what phanta said about the bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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