S8 Discussion Thread

[tmp]

Soooooo tonight the Xmas episode is airing, that will be fun!

 

It'll be so cool to see Raj's dad there in person with the gang.

[rachelshamyfan]

Rajs dad is funny!

[tmp]

Rajs dad is funny!

 

Speaking of Raj, when oh when are they gonna show Cinnamon again?  We're halfway through the season and she hasn't made a single appearance.

[Cecilia]

Well we know that Leonard spends some nights in Penny's apartment and probably Sheldon is ok with that. So why did he sleep on the couch this particular night? My guess cause he was being emotional and while needing reassurance that Leonard will be part of his life he also thought he should compromise so there he is ok with Leonard sleeping over at Penny's but he is on the couch. Sheldon in reality isn't the emotionless person he likes to think he is. When Leonard was away he went over to Penny's cause she was missing him and that was an obvious excuse. Did he think he had a nightmare because Leonard mixed up the CD cases?? Of course not he saw the Cracken eat him up but he wasn't going to admit that! My point is that this is why Sheldon seems mature in this ep. He doesn't need an excuse anymore to express his feelings. He stayed over at Lenny's cause he needed reassurance that he is welcomed in their home. There are no excuses no anything. I am not sure how that has to do with Amy. I actually think it doesn't and if he is not ready to live with her it's his right and it doesn't mean he doesn't love her or she is not important to him.

About the question whether Shamy fans would be bothered if Lenny or someone often interrupted them. I can only speak for myself. I am not sure I guess it may bother me sometimes others I wouldn't mind. What I do know is that from times to times there is something about Shamy that might bother me but comparing to what I like about this ship is not enough to turn me off.

Also this thread becomes all the more difficult to read. I don't really want to leave it cause all new spoilers are posted here first but still I find all these ship wars inappropriate since there is a shipping lanes thread. It's pretty sad cause I feel that people (of every ship not a particular one) try to put other people or ships down and I find it pointless and annoying.

[djsurrey]

I'd be happy to never see the word ship used in that context.

I'm also resigned to the fact I'll never get everything I would like.

Speaking of Raj, when oh when are they gonna show Cinnamon again?  We're halfway through the season and she hasn't made a single appearance.

 

She can't compete with Emily (although Emily has not been in many episodes.)

Edited December 11, 2014 by djsurrey

[rachelshamyfan]

Speaking of Raj, when oh when are they gonna show Cinnamon again? We're halfway through the season and she hasn't made a single appearance.

We need cinnaraj!

[phantagrae]

Phanta, can you explain to me why turning this around, and asking how the Shamy's would feel with Leonard interrupting some important Shamy scenes or Shamy breaking up is bashing. We keep getting told that something like that won't happen, or that's not the way Leonard is, and thats the problem. Most Shamy's either don't feel the depth of passion for Lenny, so they won't understand how the various slights makes Lenny's feel. The only way it can be explained, is to turn it around and ask how the Shamys would feel if things like that were happening, but somehow that ends up as bashing.

Maybe because it's the way that such comments are made. But it's not really the "what if" as much as it's a sort of snide tone that seems to be used so often, or a belittling of the relationship as such comments are made.

I think that the "depth of passion" for Lenny is focused on the wrong aspect, or something. We all certainly feel strongly about our main ship, but I think that the frustration some Lennys feel comes from making more of certain scenes or lines than one ought.

People are going to feel what they feel, certainly, but perhaps the question should be why such minor, passing things turn some people inside out.

For the record, I also disagree with those Shamys who complained that Leonard and Penny treated Sheldon like a dog because of one joking exaggeration in one episode. The joke was a reference to Leonard telling Sheldon to "stay" and it was Sheldon himself who then did the puppy whimper. Some people got all upset over that for nothing.

In the same way, I think that the idea of Sheldon "interrupting" various Lenny scenes has gotten blown out of proportion, which makes all the "what if" scenarios pointless.

It also bothers me that you dismiss scenes with Penny and Leonard in them as not exciting. Why can't they write jokes as those two are getting into bed? Nope, got to have Sheldon in there. The scene, as shown, may have been over before Sheldon, but why is he there at all? The punchline? sorry it doesn't seem funny to me, but that may be different when it airs. Why not write jokes for Penny and Leonard. I don't demand sweet and saccharine for every (or indeed any episode), but the humor of the continuing insertion of Sheldon in their couples scenes, the denigration of Penny and/or Leonard and Lenny (the scene with the money, for instance, wasn't funny to me. Why do they need to keep referencing Penny past sex life? Why rub that in Leonard face again?), is rapidly being lost on me this year.

I wasn't saying that scenes with them cannot be exciting. What I was saying was that Sheldon was not interrupting some big romantic moment, or some sexy moment, in this tag scene. The writers didn't intend to take that scene any deeper or further, but used it to set up the punchline. What kind of jokes would you have suggested for that bedroom scene that would have been as sharply funny? And I think it was indeed funny.

When the writers intend for there to be a funny scene between L/P, they write it. But if it's not exactly what you envision (and, again, what is it that you would find funny in the tone that the show actually uses?), then y'all get mad about that, too.

I think the issue might have to do with expectations.

For the record, I also think that some Shamy fans get upset over things that don't have the import that they give them.

The last couple of year, when there was a hue and cry over some sort of Shamy disaster, I would try to encourage those who were upset with the situation. I couldn't see the problem, but that is simply because I wasn't as passionate about Shamy as I was Lenny. Here, I'm struggling with the way my couple is being portrayed, and when I try to explain, I'm told my concerns are bullsquirt or worse, that I'm somehow bashing Shamy. If your passion is Shamy, they only way I can get across the feelings about this is to try and get you to realize how those situations would make you feel, if they happened to Shamy. The way Amy's been treated by Sheldon, his running off without calling her, and various other things show that Shamy's can feel just as upset with the way things are going as some of us are now. Things are going well for Shamy right now. Enjoy it, cherish it, and I hope things don't happen to Shamy to cause any fans of theirs to doubt.

I think the problem in both cases is in worrying about the way the couples are being portrayed. If one is overwrought over something, even something like a breakup, I think it often comes from having tunnel vision, or a certain kind of shortsightedness, viewing only one word instead of looking at the whole sentence or paragraph or novel.

I think that in trying to compare how one might feel doesn't make sense because of the different dynamics of the different couples. And because there's really no point in trying to explain why you feel that way.

I think that the problem is in simply not seeing the show in the way it actually is--the tone of the Lenny relationship, in particular. I'm not talking about lowering one's expectations, but about not majoring in the minors.

Because the show is a comedy, they're going to go for that sharp punchline, and it doesn't matter who it is that gets their balloon punctured.

As for who is more important. When Leonard sleeps at Penny's one night a week (which is ridiculous in it's own way), Sheldon can choose to go to Penny's, stay in the apartment, go to Amy's(or as a reduced likely hood, Raj's or Howardette's). That he goes to Penny's indicates that being near Leonard is more important to him than staying in his own room, or going to Amy's (and before anyone gets the wrong idea, his room and Amy are more important to him than Raj or Howardette). Is Amy important, sure. Is she the most important thing in his life, nope. He is. He acts in his own self interest most of the time. Is he ready to cohabitant with her either in or out of the same bed, no and there is nothing wrong with this. I simply stated that while it is changing, his choice indicate, for me and at this time, that Leonard is more important than to him than Amy is.  That is and will change to where he will be more concerned with Amy than Leonard.

Him spending the night near Leonard has nothing to do with Amy. If you think that it is a measure of who is more important in his life, then you totally do not understand the episode. It's not about spending the night near the most important person in his life. Though he loves Amy, sleeping in her apartment or having her sleep at his is place is still a step too far for him, and again, the point is not about simply having just anyone to keep him company.

It's all about the Leonard/Sheldon roommate situation and whether or not Sheldon can actually handle the change. And the fact that his idea of compromise isn't really compromise.

Yes, "allowing" Leonard to spend one night a week at Penny's is ridiculous--and that is the point. And then having Sheldon not be able to actually let go is an underscoring of the point.

Yeah, in the real world, Leonard would have simply boxed up his crap and moved out and left Sheldon to fend for himself, but this isn't reality. It's heightened or exaggerated "reality" where Leonard has signed an elaborate roommate agreement and makes allowances for Sheldon's foibles. And again, that's where the comedy lies.

I'll leave you with a comment from a Shamy fan from last year, they saw it also back then, but it doesn't seem like anyone understands our feelings about it now:"I feel like a lot of Shamy fans too hate Sheldon as the Lenny-dog and him being used as a plot device to drag Lenny down, I believe many hardcore Sheldon fans also hate the way he's been used for that.... I often don't understand why they sabotage their own momentum by dropping interesting storylines in favor of coming up with new ways of running the same damn jokes into the ground."

This is the way I'm starting to feel.  I still enjoy the show, I still enjoy Lenny, and I still cheer for Shamy and the rest.  But something has changed for me and the one thing that is bothering me is how they mess with Lenny all the time.  The same type of comments in regards to Leonard and Penny, the same type of insertion of Sheldon into places where he really has no purpose, isn't funny anymore.  You would think they could come up with something new for those situations.

As I said above, I think that all the fuss over the "Lenny dog" think was mistaken in it's interpretation, just as people took too literally the early season scenes where the writers exaggerated the L/P situation and dialog to make them seem like divorced parents negotiating over custody of a child. I think that the situation--Sheldon trying to navigate the waters between L/P after they broke up--naturally paralleled that of a divorced couple, so the writers pushed that analogy.

And the dog thing was similar. The writers played with an analogy and people took it too literally.

And one person's assessment of what they perceive as being true isn't necessarily true. Again, many people judge a moment or scene based on their own desires or expectations apart from what the writers are actually doing.

I'm a die-hard Sheldon fan, and I have never felt that he has been used to drag Lenny down or that the show has been "sabotaging their own momentum", etc..

I think, again, that people assess things differently based on their expectations or interpretation, but that doesn't mean that it's what the writers are actually doing.

Well we know that Leonard spends some nights in Penny's apartment and probably Sheldon is ok with that. So why did he sleep on the couch this particular night? My guess cause he was being emotional and while needing reassurance that Leonard will be part of his life he also thought he should compromise so there he is ok with Leonard sleeping over at Penny's but he is on the couch. Sheldon in reality isn't the emotionless person he likes to think he is. When Leonard was away he went over to Penny's cause she was missing him and that was an obvious excuse. Did he think he had a nightmare because Leonard mixed up the CD cases?? Of course not he saw the Cracken eat him up but he wasn't going to admit that! My point is that this is why Sheldon seems mature in this ep. He doesn't need an excuse anymore to express his feelings. He stayed over at Lenny's cause he needed reassurance that he is welcomed in their home. There are no excuses no anything. I am not sure how that has to do with Amy. I actually think it doesn't and if he is not ready to live with her it's his right and it doesn't mean he doesn't love her or she is not important to him.

About the question whether Shamy fans would be bothered if Lenny or someone often interrupted them. I can only speak for myself. I am not sure I guess it may bother me sometimes others I wouldn't mind. What I do know is that from times to times there is something about Shamy that might bother me but comparing to what I like about this ship is not enough to turn me off.

Also this thread becomes all the more difficult to read. I don't really want to leave it cause all new spoilers are posted here first but still I find all these ship wars inappropriate since there is a shipping lanes thread. It's pretty sad cause I feel that people (of every ship not a particular one) try to put other people or ships down and I find it pointless and annoying.

I think the difference is that they were talking about a gradual moving out not just sleeping over. If Leonard is going to "live with" Penny one night a week, then perhaps the difference is in how he spends the morning--staying at her place to eat breakfast, dress, get ready for work, etc., as opposed to sleeping with her, but then returning to 4A to do all those morning things.

I think it was a comedic exaggeration, of course, based on Sheldon's unwillingness to change anything, but that's kind of the point. IMO.

[rachelshamyfan]

Basically right now

Lenny are happy in stable relationship

Shamy are happy in stable relationship

The end

[Cecilia]

@Phanta sorry I cannot quote just the part I am interested in from phone.

Well, I doubt that not once Leonard stayed over at Penny's even in the morning to do all those things. Actually ,with exception of getting ready for work since his clothes are in 4A I think he regularly eats breakfast with Penny and spends his morning there (especially if it's not a work day) just like we have seen Penny do multiple times in the guys' apartment wheb she wakes up and pours some coffee and makes breakfast etc. Also Lenny often have dinner over at Penny's alone so I guess there are some days he hardly spends any time at 4A at all. So at least for me they are pretty close to living together even now. I think it's mostly the idea of not having Leonard as a roomate that bugs Sheldon the most. Of course that's used to also add comedic relief to the scene. But in relation to people claiming that's regressing from Sheldon's part I don't believe it is and my previous post is the reason why.

[Tonstar17]

Let me just point out that I never bashed shamy in my previous posts. The original point of the discussions was about S8 turning in to the the Sheldon show & some shamy shipper took this as bashing shamy. The show was never about just sheldon & shouldn't revolve around one character. Not everyone signed up to watch the Sheldon show which it's turning in.

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Edited December 11, 2014 by Tonstar17

[Nogravitasatall]

Basically right now

Lenny are happy in stable relationship

Shamy are happy in stable relationship

The end

That's entirely correct Rachel. But I don't think this is about Shamy at all. It's Sheldon and the creatives' preoccupation with him. Surely he can sometimes be other than a stick in the spokes. But if that's what he is stuck with then that's fine. He is popular with many and there is probably very good measurements being taken telling TPTB that they are doing the right thing. Eventually disaffected people's expectations will catch up with reality and the complaints and complainers will drop off.

I'm still optimistic that this will play as funny and the idea of Leonard needing Sheldon's concurrence to visit a loved one will never be heard of again.

Though I don't think anyone can expect people to stop expressing their views about s8 here. Better here than in the ship threads. It could go in the character discussion thread I suppose, but it might end up monotonous. Here at least there is diversity of viewpoints and topicality of events and that's got to be good.

[karyshamy]

I understand why the Lenny fans are annoyed, but Sheldon appearing in unexpected moments is a brilliant joke they have used along the seasons, and this one was the second time in S8 (that I remember). The first was when he was hiding in Leonard's closet. The writers built a character specialized in opening locks and with his own crazy logic (he's not crazy, his mother had him tested).

I just find it hilarious when he shows up totally unexpectedly. One of the scenes that I laughed most from all the episodes (besides Amy and Sheldons Hoo Who conversation in the lab) was the one he was trying to sneak into Caltech during his vacation, and he almost killed Leonard who was singing  a Black Eyed Peas song. The "Bazinga Punk" was awesome too!

I see no problem in them using this artifice from time to time. If they can provide us this great moments of cracking up I would say: "Keep them coming!"

Edited December 11, 2014 by karyshamy

[SRAM]

Speaking of Raj, when oh when are they gonna show Cinnamon again?  We're halfway through the season and she hasn't made a single appearance.

The rumor is that during the contract negotiations, this summer, she held out for too much, so they didn't renew her contract. That dog is suppose to be a real diva.

[hokie3457]

The reason Lenny fans are annoyed is because of the disappearance of something we remember seeing often in the past: the depiction of love and intimacy between our favorite couple. We have had very few scenes of them alone together in Season 8. When we do it ends up being the set- up for a joke that diminishes the moment (this tag scene with Sheldon needing to spend the night on the sofa in 4B; the fact that It wasn't the first time Penny "had fun" on a bed of money). This set of circumstances is difficult to take. That paired with the fact that Sheldon is front & center/ever present and injecting himself into what we view as the "Lenny storyline" just pushes the couple further into the background.

I know that Season 8 will end up as a series of building blocks for the future, but when you're in the middle if it and see very little movement for the characters that being you the most joy it can be a bit frustrating.

Conversely Sheldon & Amy are moving full speed ahead. There is a sort of bliss on board the Shamy ship. Take a step back and put yourself in the Lenny shipper's shoes. You have been there and should be able to commiserate a bit with our frustration.

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Edited December 11, 2014 by hokie3457

[SRAM]

Well we know that Leonard spends some nights in Penny's apartment and probably Sheldon is ok with that. So why did he sleep on the couch this particular night? My guess cause he was being emotional and while needing reassurance that Leonard will be part of his life he also thought he should compromise so there he is ok with Leonard sleeping over at Penny's but he is on the couch. Sheldon in reality isn't the emotionless person he likes to think he is. When Leonard was away he went over to Penny's cause she was missing him and that was an obvious excuse. Did he think he had a nightmare because Leonard mixed up the CD cases?? Of course not he saw the Cracken eat him up but he wasn't going to admit that! My point is that this is why Sheldon seems mature in this ep. He doesn't need an excuse anymore to express his feelings. He stayed over at Lenny's cause he needed reassurance that he is welcomed in their home. There are no excuses no anything. I am not sure how that has to do with Amy. I actually think it doesn't and if he is not ready to live with her it's his right and it doesn't mean he doesn't love her or she is not important to him.

About the question whether Shamy fans would be bothered if Lenny or someone often interrupted them. I can only speak for myself. I am not sure I guess it may bother me sometimes others I wouldn't mind. What I do know is that from times to times there is something about Shamy that might bother me but comparing to what I like about this ship is not enough to turn me off.

Also this thread becomes all the more difficult to read. I don't really want to leave it cause all new spoilers are posted here first but still I find all these ship wars inappropriate since there is a shipping lanes thread. It's pretty sad cause I feel that people (of every ship not a particular one) try to put other people or ships down and I find it pointless and annoying.

Actually there is no evidence that Leonard and Penny are spending nights together since Sheldon came back from his trip or before he left. However there is evidence they have been sleeping alone, since their engagement. In the last episode of season 7, after Leonard mentions them living together, Sheldon offers to let Penny spend one night a week there a week, inferring she hasn't been sleeping there. It this taping report, Sheldon says they can have one night a week at her place, inferring they haven't been sleeping their either, because them sleeping together upsets him and he is a flight risk. Finally we see a night scene this season where Sheldon wakes Leonard up and Leonard is alone, (not like season 3, when those scenes always included Penny). All that evidence points to them sleeping alone, there is nothing supporting them sleeping together. Even the bed and money scene had them in street clothes going to have sex, not sleepwear getting ready for bed, so it inferred casual non- bedtime sex. So no, I don't think it is correct to assume Leonard spends any 'nights' in Penny's apartment, days and evenings, yes, nights, no.

[Rajamon]

The way I see it, Leonard and Penny are about as solid as a couple can be. The writers have to get this pair from here to the end of season ten without the viewers getting bored. I much prefer them using Sheldon as an excuse to drag things out over the Ross/Rachael formula of breaking up, dating others, having random sex leading to a pregnancy, again dating other people and then finally getting together in the last episode.

In the real world, as opposed to the sitcom world, Leonard and Penny would have probably moved in together right after the engagement. They would then start planning the wedding and be married a year or so later. I believe the writers see the Lenny wedding as the climax of the series and want us to enjoy the anticipation. They used Sheldon taking off on the train to stop the moving in together and I believe they will continue using him in this way. No other character can really be used as a roadblock, because it just wouldn't make sense.

The writers have Sheldon's well established dislike of change to lean on whenever they want to keep Lenny from progressing too quickly. I remember Sheldon telling Amy he knew she used syrup to make the strawberry quick drink and it tasted better and...he didn't like that! It's in character for Sheldon to resist change and I prefer the writers using him to pace the Lenny advancement rather than the standard break-up, get back together, break-up again crap.

As far as the Lenny-loving, the only time I was really bothered was the prom episode. Not having a Lenny kiss felt unnatural. I don't know why there wasn't a kiss, but at least that episode was full of obvious affection between Leonard and Penny. Personally, I'm happy with how both Lenny and Shamy are slowly moving along. As Shamy progresses, so shall Lenny. Two steps forward, one step back- this seems to be how the writers have decided to do things.

[Mislav]

Nope. I am saying you have never picked on the shamy or called them out when they bash lenny. Look I don't care who you ship... I say it as I see it & if you don't like it then that's the way the cookie crumbles.

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I never read posts that bash Lenny (written by Shamy shippers, that is-Shenny shippers, on the other hand...). As far as I heard most of the negative comments about them were made (by Shamy shippers) post season seven finale. I wasn't active on season seven thread or on that episode thread because the season was over, I rarely visit threads in regar to one particular episode, I mostly just stick with season threads. And I joined the forum in June 2014. So no, I didn't call out Shamys for bashing Lenny. However, I did call out ATM several times several times when he wrote posts about how awful both Lenny and Shamy relationships are. I did reply to post made by HulkSmash in "What character or thing annoys you" thread, which was basically a Leonard bashing post, and explained why I didn't agree with his points. I made a very passionate post about why I didn't like Penny's attitude toward Leonard in Raider's Minimisation, showung nothing but compassion for his character, and did so by replying to the post written by a Shamy shipper, who thought that Penny's actions were completely justified. And I never bashed Leonard or Lenny. But since you once wrote that Lenny shippers have life while Shamy shippers don't, I can see why you would categorize me as Shamy and ignore my points.

The reason Lenny fans are annoyed is because of the disappearance of something we remember seeing often in the past: the depiction of love and intimacy between our favorite couple. We have had very few scenes of them alone together in Season 8. When we do it ends up being the set- up for a joke that diminishes the moment (this tag scene with Sheldon needing to spend the night on the sofa in 4B; the fact that It wasn't the first time Penny "had fun" on a bed of money). This set of circumstances is difficult to take. That paired with the fact that Sheldon is front & center/ever present and injecting himself into what we view as the "Lenny storyline" just pushes the couple further into the background.

I know that Season 8 will end up as a series of building blocks for the future, but when you're in the middle if it and see very little movement for the characters that being you the most joy it can be a bit frustrating.

Conversely Sheldon & Amy are moving full speed ahead. There is a sort of bliss on board the Shamy ship. Take a step back and put yourself in the Lenny shipper's shoes. You have been there and should be able to commiserate a bit with our frustration.

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I do feel with you. I ship both Shamy and Lenny, no matter what some people say. But I simply don't see Sheldon as a problem. Like other posters correctly pointed out, Lenny had many sweet scenes and he mostly appears at the end for the purposes of comic effect. Of course Lenny should have more scenes. But I don't think that Sheldon is interrupting them. And I don't think that it makes it a Sheldon show. I was just annoyed because some of the comments really did start to sound like Sheldon and Shamy bashing abd because I really thought that the argument went too far. Also I am sure that Lenny will pick up eventually. Edited December 11, 2014 by Mislav

[tallin]

Only problem here is we are taking this show way too seriously...sometimes we see a things, I believe, even writers didn't think of. Sometimes is just better these things, we don't like "box" somewhere and over look them. Was I happy when Sheldon told Bernie he love Amy and in another second told her he's going to buy her something to make her feel small and worthless ? No. But It's better to take just the fact he said he loves her out of it, as just that one is important for me. Aren't you happy about Sheldon being in there when Lenny goes to bed? Forget about Sheldon and enjoy the fact they are going to that bed, together. If we let ourselves to be too affected by those snide comments, or other person invaliding sweet moments, we will be only robbed of joy, we have watching the show in general. As I say in past, we have to look at writers, or producents of the show. Not just in BBT, but even their other work. That's just so  them, this is their sense of humor, and will be still in the future.Maybe less frequent, but will be. We can either stop watching, or not paying attention to parts we're not satisfied with. We don't have to enjoy everything, but it's shame to let that frustration escalate to the point, when we are mad about whole episode, characters, or each other here, for something, what was supposed to be just for laughs. As for Lenny development I can see a justify tension here (not because lack of kiss, bedroom scenes, or something like that), but because of less their focused plots. But this show is always changing it's focus, so it's coming, and I'm looking forward to it. Even latest episode seemed to me like step that way. As for mutual bashing here, I don't really know how to go in Lennies shoes, to be honest, because my ship is so different, things that can truly bother you,  just not bother me that much, an I believe it goes otherwise too. We can't truly understand each other, because these relationship, characters, and their path is like black and white - total opposites.  But if someone is bashing any character for something, I believe is just ignorance or trying to make someone feel bad, I'm prepared to tell my opinion. 

Edited December 11, 2014 by tallin

[rachelshamyfan]

Maybe those of you that are unhappy could create your own thread so you can moan away to your hearts content without ruining the relatively happy discussion thread

Not everybody wants to see the same thing argued about!

[Chrismo]

It takes two to argue.

[Mislav]

It takes two to argue.

And sometimes it takes one to start an argument.

[Chrismo]

But just one to instigate.

You'd know all about that, I would think.

You must of learned that from your fellow shippers. I just give my honest opinions.

[Mislav]

Do I bash Sheldon? Once in a while when I feel it's warranted. Bash Shamy all the time? No. I usually like Amy. I'm not taunting or mocking anyone. It seems some on here forget there on a open thread and are used to shipping threads where everyone agrees with everyone. If some get upset about differing opinions it would seem this isn't a good thread for them. The special needs child comment was poorly worded. More my point is many on the forum attempt to make excuses for his bad/inappropriate behavior. My point, which started a few pages back, was that I didn't like the tag at the last taping. Some people disagreed with me but others agreed with me.

You actually do mock Sheldon and Shamy quite often and actually, "special needs child" comment was your way of expressing annoyance with his behavior, so it was offensive and not poorly worded. Your opinions may be different but at least try to present valid points.

[Chrismo]

You actually do mock Sheldon and Shamy quite often and actually, "special needs child" comment was your way of expressing annoyance with his behavior, so it was offensive and not poorly worded. Your opinions may be different but at least try to present valid points.

More of my annoyance with Sheldon is with people who make excuses for him. He has never been diagnosed with anything. People have suggested through the years many things (Asperger's for example) but there is no proof.

[Cherry]

+1 with Rachel.

 

Why don't those who are soooooooo fond of that " interesting " conversation create another thread? It could be titled " Is S8 Sheldon-centric?" or " Is Sheldon too much intervening in Lenny's relationship?"

 

It was on and on for pages two weeks ago, and off we are again, I think there are more than 20 pages on that subject, but not everybody is interested in that debate, it's really getting boring.