S8 Discussion Thread

[Count Wally de Honk]

Personally I like Penny's chaotic slovenliness...Anyroad, Chrismo's just pointing out canon.

I'll add to it, in defense of Penny's lifestyle, that Sheldon willingly went to Penny’s in 7.1, and commandeered her bed. Again

 

 

Later he comments that he doesn’t want to know how many pairs of underpants she owns but judging

by the floor of her bedroom it’s at least a thousand.

 

If Penny’s soiled undergarments draped all over the joint whilst he was sleeping didn’t send him screaming,

the state of her kitchen wouldn't either.

 

P/S/L have already lived together, in the infancy of the Leonard and Penny relationship. It was very amusing.

The Odd Couple plus a straight man caught in between.

Sheldon also has spent a lot of time with Penny over the years. He more than tolerates her. They’re friends.

That's also canon.

 

If he had issues with Penny’s kitchen hygiene he also wouldn’t drink cocoa she makes for him, or spaghetti

with little hot-dogs cut up in it.

 

Anyway, if Sheldon is slathering maple syrup around the car, sharing sundaes with Darth Vader, and eating those

godforsaken plastic hotdogs at baseball games, then he’s not really very consistent with his phobias anymore is he.

 

Personally I think the concept of canon is a bit of a double-edged sword. (ho ho) Either you accept it all, or none at all.

The problem with the former, is that the canon is frequently contradictory.

Penny can/cannot use glue. Sheldon does/does not have a germ phobia. Leonard does/does not snore. And those are just the

ephemeral things. There are contradictions in personality as well.

What most fans (absolutely including myself) seem prone to doing is ignoring canon that doesn't fit with their conception

of the character (or ship desires, if you're into that). As the characters are written by a motley horde of writers, each with their

own conceptions, the ultimate result is bound to be somewhat schizophrenic. Ergo if you allow the canon to be less of a bible

and more of a vague guideline, it's possible for all conceptions of character to exist simultaneously. Each person's conception

of Sheldon is valid in and of itself, but so is another's. All fiction is equal in validity provided it's self-consistent.

I think I've given myself a headache.

 

I’m not watching S8 because it's departed too far from my conception of Sheldon (which is based entirely on his early

carnation), thus I suffer cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile the worlds. I do read the TR’s however…Hence my presence.

Ta very much Batman.

[Tensor]

I guess I am just going off the constant negativity in the Lenny Thread, maybe thats just me. I never told people to get over it.

Besides why are you projecting your frustrations onto me. It was a passing comment.

I'm not frustrated, I'm simply disappointed in how they are being portrayed, I talk about it and I'm disputing your apparent feeling that some are wrong for voicing their unhappiness.

 

Everyones point of view seems to be moan moan moan.

I still like the show, I still enjoy it. It would be even more enjoyable if there was SOME more Penny and Leonard interactions, (pillow talk, kissing, time alone, etc) that's all.

 

I guess I was just a little tired of seeing it, so I made that comment of being ridiclous.

You also repeated the comment, in defending it, that hardly makes it a passing comment. I also don't quite understand why if you think there is nothing wrong with people being unhappy about it, why are you tired of it, along with why, if you voice your opinion on other posters comments, you seem to feel there is something wrong with others voicing their opinion of your comments.

Also your statement:

I don't remember ever saying their is something wrong with people being unhappy about this.

I pointed it out in my last post, here it is again: Well, how does calling the overall reactions ridiculous, or telling people to get over, or telling them they need to grasp the concept of offscreen make you sound as if you think they are happy with it?

[Shellsyke]

And Sheldon wasn't even locked out in 7-1! He had a choice to stay in his apartment or try to sleep at Penny's. So I would say Sheldon "willingly" sleeping at Penny's is quite accurate, at least in 7-1. But, to add to the canon inconsistency of Sheldon ("The Tall Man from Cornwall") not wanting to sleep on the couch as recently as 7-1, yet he is willing to do so per the last TR.

Personally I like Penny's chaotic slovenliness...Anyroad, Chrismo's just pointing out canon.

I'll add to it, in defense of Penny's lifestyle, that Sheldon willingly went to Penny’s in 7.1, and commandeered her bed. Again

Later he comments that he doesn’t want to know how many pairs of underpants she owns but judging

by the floor of her bedroom it’s at least a thousand.

If Penny’s soiled undergarments draped all over the joint whilst he was sleeping didn’t send him screaming,

the state of her kitchen wouldn't either.

P/S/L have already lived together, in the infancy of the Leonard and Penny relationship. It was very amusing.

The Odd Couple plus a straight man caught in between.

Sheldon also has spent a lot of time with Penny over the years. He more than tolerates her. They’re friends.

That's also canon.

If he had issues with Penny’s kitchen hygiene he also wouldn’t drink cocoa she makes for him, or spaghetti

with little hot-dogs cut up in it.

Anyway, if Sheldon is slathering maple syrup around the car, sharing sundaes with Darth Vader, and eating those

godforsaken plastic hotdogs at baseball games, then he’s not really very consistent with his phobias anymore is he.

Personally I think the concept of canon is a bit of a double-edged sword. (ho ho) Either you accept it all, or none at all.

The problem with the former, is that the canon is frequently contradictory.

Penny can/cannot use glue. Sheldon does/does not have a germ phobia. Leonard does/does not snore. And those are just the

ephemeral things. There are contradictions in personality as well.

What most fans (absolutely including myself) seem prone to doing is ignoring canon that doesn't fit with their conception

of the character (or ship desires, if you're into that). As the characters are written by a motley horde of writers, each with their

own conceptions, the ultimate result is bound to be somewhat schizophrenic. Ergo if you allow the canon to be less of a bible

and more of a vague guideline, it's possible for all conceptions of character to exist simultaneously. Each person's conception

of Sheldon is valid in and of itself, but so is another's. All fiction is equal in validity provided it's self-consistent.

I think I've given myself a headache.

I’m not watching S8 because it's departed too far from my conception of Sheldon (which is based entirely on his early

carnation), thus I suffer cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile the worlds. I do read the TR’s however…Hence my presence.

Ta very much Batman.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Shellsyke

[3ku11]

And Sheldon wasn't even locked out in 7-1! He had a choice to stay in his apartment or try to sleep at Penny's. So I would say Sheldon "willingly" sleeping at Penny's is quite accurate, at least in 7-1. But, to add to the canon inconsistency of Sheldon ("The Tall Man from Cornwall") not wanting to sleep on the couch as recently as 7-1, yet he is willing to do so per the last TR.

Why does it matter Sheldon has no desire to live permenantly with Penny or Leonard at 4B. Not sure where this is coming from. Im glad Sheldon evolved though . If he was still knocking on Pennys door, saying Bazinga etc. That would get old pretty fast.

[denajeanx]

Why does it matter Sheldon has no desire to live permenantly with Penny or Leonard at 4B. Not sure where this is coming from. Im glad Sheldon evolved though . If he was still knocking on Pennys door, saying Bazinga etc. That would get old pretty fast.

I'm wondering the same thing. It's never going to happen, lol.

[Cecilia]

Well I believe that Sheldon would be willing to tolerate Penny if he could still be Leonard's roomate. And for all we know maybe Penny happened to have fresh sheets the times he slept on her bed. We know she can do laundry properly . Anyway I don't think Penny is dirty but messy. For example the food is clean but then she would do the dishes the next morning. Sometimes people do that but I am not sure Sheldon could stand it. Also he may have noticed her many pair of panties on her bedroom floor when he desperately needed a shower after sitting on the chair she collected from the garbage but flew the apartment horrified cause there was a band aid. Many things could have happened. And we seem to forget Penny here. As I said I think he could tolerate her (he would be a pain in the ass about it but he would) I am not so sure Penny would ever put herself through living with Sheldon.

[phantagrae]

He slept in her bed.. if he had all these cleanliness routines he couldn't of handled one night there.

In Big Bran (S1, Ep2) he said that she wasn't dirty, really, just messy and disorganized.

Just because she tosses clothes on her couch doesn't mean her bed is dirty.

[rachelshamyfan]

There are some people who don't want Sheldon to change, EVER

Unfortunately for them, the whole premise of the show is that the characters evolve and overcome their awkwardness, Sheldon and indeed the other guys will still have their nerdy traits and that's OK but they can never just stay stagnant which is what some of the Sheldon purists want

[3ku11]

Leonard and Sheldons lifes demand routine and order. Sheldons had it his entire life. Pennys messiness is relative. Go any apt unit it would look like Pennys. For perspective I remember Stair Case Implementation (S3). Alot of unsuccessful roommates before Leonard. Who clearly couldent handle his borderline Ocd. His strict order and routine (Leonard deserves a noble prize for putting up with it all these years ). And Die Sheldon Die. Another point of reference is Alicia. Really showed how one of kind Penny is, as is Leonard. And of course Amy . They all put up with him, anyone else would beat him up and take his money lol. They know he means well. In 1x02 he cleaned her apt not because shes dirty but in his mind he couldent sleep without knowing Pennys apt was messy. So its more a reflection of Sheldons obsessive tendancies then Penny being overly messy or dirty.

[djsurrey]

There are some people who don't want Sheldon to change, EVER

Unfortunately for them, the whole premise of the show is that the characters evolve and overcome their awkwardness, Sheldon and indeed the other guys will still have their nerdy traits and that's OK but they can never just stay stagnant which is what some of the Sheldon purists want

I'm happy to see Sheldon evolve but I don't know why you would think the "whole premise of the show is that the characters evolve and overcome their awkwardness"?

 

Did someone with the show say that in an interview?

[3ku11]

I'm happy to see Sheldon evolve but I don't know why you would think the "whole premise of the show is that the characters evolve and overcome their awkwardness"?

Did someone with the show say that in an interview?

The premise according to Bill Prady. Is an experiment of a hot girl on Four Eggheads. But I think it was suggested Pennys influence would make them grow out of their social awkwardness. Thats how I see it anyway.

[rachelshamyfan]

In most sypnosis of the show that is seen, its about four guys meeting pretty blonde girl and

Nm skull summed it up perfectly

Edited December 18, 2014 by rachelshamyfan

[Jiab]

Penny used to be my least favorite character because I prefer nerds lol, but recently her development on the show made me realize that a girl who used to date guys for their appearance and sex can change too. It's okay that you made mistakes in your teen years and it's not too late to start making smart decisions both in relationship and career. I think her love for Leonard is much stronger than her love for Kurt in the pilot. She did not try to change Leonard (unlike Priya who tried to make Leonard wear contacts), she loves Leonard for who he is, he can wear dorky clothes and that doesn't matter at all (except when they go to the mall lol). I don't know if that the message the writers intended to send, but at least it was what I got from the show and I love it. 

Edited December 18, 2014 by Jiab

[tmp]

Nm skull summed it up perfectly

 

LOL.  It took me a minute to realize "nm" means never mind.  I thought you were calling him "numskull", which is slang for a stupid person, in case its use is regional.  

Penny used to be my least favorite character because I prefer nerds lol, but recently her development on the show made me realize that a girl who used to date guys for their appearance and sex can change too. It's okay that you made mistakes in your teen years and it's not too late to start making smart decisions both in relationship and career. I think her love for Leonard is much stronger than her love for Kurt in the pilot. She did not try to change Leonard (unlike Priya who tried to make Leonard wear contacts), she loves Leonard for who he is, he can wear dorky clothes and that doesn't matter at all (except when they go to the mall lol). I don't know if that the message the writers intended to send, but at least it was what I got from the show and I love it. 

 

Agreed.  I think we're supposed to know that Penny is special because she sees the good in these guys whereas a lot of other people just see nerds.  She accepts all of them for who they are.  The Dead Hooker Juxtaposition really showed how much she cares about them.

[rachelshamyfan]

Oh Lol!

[3ku11]

LOL. It took me a minute to realize "nm" means never mind. I thought you were calling him "numskull", which is slang for a stupid person, in case its use is regional.

Agreed. I think we're supposed to know that Penny is special because she sees the good in these guys whereas a lot of other people just see nerds. She accepts all of them for who they are. The Dead Hooker Juxtaposition really showed how much she cares about them.

Yeah me and Rachel have a I dont like you, but I do dynamic going on haha. Kinda like Brian and Stewie in FG . So she could of inferred both.

[rachelshamyfan]

I would never call you a Numbskull skulky!

[nickelette424]

Yeah me and Rachel have a I dont like you, but I do dynamic going on haha. Kinda like Brian and Stewie in FG . So she could of inferred both.

Forget Shamy and Lenny. This is my favorite ship, lol.

[Kathy2611]

Forget Shamy and Lenny. This is my favorite ship, lol.

LOL!!!

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[SRAM]

Forget Shamy and Lenny. This is my favorite ship, lol.

What do we call them? "RAKULL"

[djsurrey]

In most sypnosis of the show that is seen, its about four guys meeting pretty blonde girl and

Nm skull summed it up perfectly

 

Okay that does make sense. It worked for me. Well at least until most of my kids reached adulthood. These days I avoid social situations and try to catch up on new technology.

[dana1010]

I think my mother might be psychic. Before the taping I asked her what she wanted to see in the episode and she said,"oh I really want to see them sing Soft Kitty, no wait I want Leonard to sing Soft Kitty". And then she tells me half way through the taping, "oh wouldn't it be cool if they did another flash mob". haha

[DrWackaDoodle]

Has anyone found a link for Flash Mob 2?

[rachelshamyfan]

I think the ship name is

Skullchull

Others who invented it, please feel free to correct!

[Mislav]

I think the ship name is

Skullchull

Others who invented it, please feel free to correct!

It's Skachel!