S8 Discussion Thread

[kimbee73]

I do like the idea of Lenny running off but I also really want a wedding.

I definitely want to see Shamy coming out of his room after their first "PG" sleepover. OR "R" rated we won't know.

 

Oh the possibilities......

[bigbangsheldon]

Hoping for Panties for Phanta tonight...hope she is having a great time! Happy taping day!

[Martin Pollard]

The fact is waiting to have sex until marriage is still the correct way.

 

For you. To state that as an absolute certainty and fact for everyone else on the planet is arrogant beyond belief, and the biggest load of bullshit that a bull ever shit.

[ATOB]

What happen with waiting to have Sex until you were married? There nothing wrong with that no matter the age. It work for generations and generations until peoples started deciding we should all have sex by age 20 whether we were married or not even if one was not ready. It all comes down to when both are ready at the end of the day.

I am glad they didn't have Shamy jump right into the sack like Lenny and Howardette where both of those couples barely knew each other and each other history.

Shamy by waiting until they are both ready or until marriage are doing it the right way or how it should be. There nothing wrong with that. No doubt their mothers would be proud they haven't done it yet

The contraceptive pill. That's what happened. The pill gave women the freedom to enjoy sex without the worry of unwanted pregnancy. Of course, condoms have been around for centuries, but the advent of the pill was revolutionary.

Note I used the word 'enjoy' because I think a lot of posters on here get so mired up in their own moral pomposity that they miss the point, sex is supposed to be enjoyable. The cliterous is the only organ in the human body that serves no other purpose than to give pleasure. That's it! Pleasure. That's all it does.

Why on earth would you marry a person without having sex with them (to see if you're compatible) or living with them first (again, to see if you're compatible)? How do you know you're not setting yourself up for a living hell?

I can guess from "their mother's would be proud" line, your answer would be because my religious upbringing decrees it. Religion is your choice (or at least it most certainly should be) but sorry, you do not get to choose for other people. It's not for you to decide the moral codes of other people. Criminality aside, people are free to decide how they live and what they do with their bodies, it's not your business or concern and you have no right to pass judgement (which brings me to your next post).

 

You seem to have a mess up thinking and is what wrong with our country today thinking peoples should jump into the sack at every opportunity even if they only been on one date. It doesn't matter if it the 18th century. The same opinions still hold for many peoples today as it did in the middle of the 20th Century! . My cousin And his wife never live together until marriage. My Brother and his girlfriend have dated for over 3 years but have not slept together yet.

That why there is so many teenage pregnancies today. I was taught Abstinence. Apparently you weren't

There a word they have for women like Penny & Leonard and A word For Amy and Sheldon.

Amy Would be considered a True Lady.

How dare you!

How dare you call a woman exercising her right to do what she pleases with her own body a whore!

Because you abstain that makes you better does it? Amy's virginity makes her a 'lady' does it? Despite the fact she's keen to sleep with Sheldon (with not a whiff of a marriage proposal in the air) and is only still a virgin because of his reluctance.

Edited March 24, 2015 by Tripper

[Mislav]

Amy=Doormat?

Sorry, but I think that you are teaching here. It is not that Sheldon doesn't want to have sex with Amy because he is not attracted to her or because he wants to make her miserable. His phobia of germs is a serious thing, as well as his difficulties with dealing about change, without a doubt edged on by his OCD. Any reasonable person can see why having sex would still be difficult for him.

There's no way of knowing if and when this will ever occur. Lenny did it in the TARDIS twice. Being s Shamy fan doesn't make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. If wishing made thing so Lenny would be living together by now

Kinda rude to accuse another porter of acting more "knowledgeable" for being a Shamy fan when no such claim was made by him/her.

If Leonard and Penny are now in a committed relationship, engaged to be married, despite all the jokes about Leonard's chances with her in earlier seasons, if Howard actually did end up getting married and getting over his creepy self, if Sheldon and Amy became an actual romantic couple and not just a platonic couple with the possibility of romance being used as a comic effect, it is reasonable to believe that Sheldon and Amy will eventually have sex. As much it makes sense to expect that Leonard and Penny will get married, and even that Howard and Bernadette will have a baby.

i'm not sure what Leonard and Penny have to do with this. I'm not sure why Amy needs Sheldon. I'm guessing she still has Gerard

And Penny still has her "chewing toy" and yet Leonard is still there, unless you think that relationships are useless without sex (it wouldn't surprise me)...

Sex is a major part of relationships it bring couples closer emotionally. If they both weren't ready I'll understand but clearly Amy is ready.

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Lol. Sometimes we cant help it.

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Sorry if you find my opinion offensive wasn't meant to be or the intention. No one should owe anyone sex but if you go into a relationship you should both want the same things. That's the point I was trying to make.

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Every couple has something that holds them back, causes disagreements and dissatisfies one party until they finally get over that. With Lenny, it was commitment issues. They didn't get engaged until season seven finale. With Shamy, that is coitus and, in some ways, physical intimacy in general. I don't understand why you think that is such a big problem. If you really believe that sex brings couples closer emotionally, I think that you should agree that both couples should be ready and willing for that while making love. Edited March 24, 2015 by Mislav

[Tripper]

I think the thread has gone off topic with the moral arguments. There's a time and place for those debates and it's not necessarily here and now. As always, please remember to debate the issue, not the person. People rightly feel strongly about these matters, but try to keep posts about the views, not the people behind them.

[mysteryrose10]

IMO Amy and Sheldon are on two different levels when it comes to their relationship Amy wants to be married and have a physical relationship with Sheldon and Sheldon just wants everything to stay the same they need to find that balance in there relationship again like they both need to agree what works best in their relationship.

[Tonstar17]

Sorry, but I think that you are teaching here. It is not that Sheldon doesn't want to have sex with Amy because he is not attracted to her or because he wants to make her miserable. His phobia of germs is a serious thing, as well as his difficulties with dealing about change, without a doubt edged on by his OCD. Any reasonable person can see why having sex would still be difficult for him.

Kinda rude to accuse another porter of acting more "knowledgeable" for being a Shamy fan when no such claim was made by him/her.

If Leonard and Penny are now in a committed relationship, engaged to be married, despite all the jokes about Leonard's chances with her in earlier seasons, if Howard actually did end up getting married and getting over his creepy self, if Sheldon and Amy became an actual romantic couple and not just a platonic couple with the possibility of romance being used as a comic effect, it is reasonable to believe that Sheldon and Amy will eventually have sex. As much it makes sense to expect that Leonard and Penny will get married, and even that Howard and Bernadette will have a baby.

And Penny still has her "chewing toy" and yet Leonard is still there, unless you think that relationships are useless without sex (it wouldn't surprise me)...

Every couple has something that holds them back, causes disagreements and dissatisfies one party until they finally get over that. With Lenny, it was commitment issues. They didn't get engaged until season seven finale. With Shamy, that is coitus and, in some ways, physical intimacy in general. I don't understand why you think that is such a big problem. If you really believe that sex brings couples closer emotionally, I think that you should agree that both couples should be ready and willing for that while making love.

OK first of we are not talking about lenny. Why is it that lenny fans can't bring up their feeling or join in a dicussion about shamy without some posters having a dig at lenny. I'm not been mean just having an opinion of the shamy relationship and for your info Penny chew toy was hidden away right at the back of her wardrobe which implies it hasn't been used for a very long time just like the gold fish bowl with the dead fish that Sheldon also found..

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[Carlos]

MtBigBangTheoryFan: You're soooooo wrong in your assessments. There is not correct or good way of doing it. While waiting to have sex until you get married shouldn't be judged, neither should having sex before you get married if you love each other. Come to think of it, having sex for its own sake shouldn't be judged either. If both people involved are consenting adults and neither is tricking the other person into doing it, I see no problem with it

[Nogravitasatall]

MtBigBangTheoryFan: You're soooooo wrong in your assessments. There is not correct or good way of doing it. While waiting to have sex until you get married shouldn't be judged, neither should having sex before you get married if you love each other. Come to think of it, having sex for its own sake shouldn't be judged either. If both people involved are consenting adults and neither is tricking the other person into doing it, I see no problem with it

Opinions like those expressed by MBTF boil down to "women are worth less".

[Mislav]

OK first of we are not talking about lenny. Why is it that lenny fans can't bring up their feeling or join in a dicussion about shamy without some posters having a dig at lenny. I'm not been mean just having an opinion of the shamy relationship and for your info Penny chew toy was hidden away right at the back of her wardrobe which implies it hasn't been used for a very long time just like the gold fish bowl with the dead fish that Sheldon also found..

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I apologize if I offended. I only brought up chewing toy because Chrismo said that he doesn't understand why Amy needs Sheldon if she has Gerard, to prove how ridiculous that is-if it applies to Shamy, it could apply to any other couple, making any relationship stories pointless. And if we are going by that logic, Gerard hadn't been mentioned since season four, making Chrismo's argument invalid.

And about the rest, I don't see how would that be offensive to Lenny shippers. It really took a long time for Leonard and Penny to get over their commitment issues, more than seven years, you have to admit. The point is, if they managed to get over it, why is such a big deal that Sheldon and Amy aren't having sex after three years (only being a romantic couple since season five and Amy only getting interested in sex then, not really getting sexually frustrated until the next season)? I just don't think that it is as big of a problem as some comments seem to suggest, or that weird, given Sheldon's problems and the fact that every couple on the show has something that holds them back. If every couple follows that path, and Shamy even did in some parts (such as, becoming a couple at all-in seasons three and four the possibility of that was just a joke), what's the problem?

Edited March 24, 2015 by Mislav

[ATOB]

I have (quite rightly) had my wrist slapped!

To reiterate my point, the real problem is not with those that are judged but with those who do the judging.

Now, can I have my gonk back?

[Guest StoicPhilosopher]

Okay, reading this thread is driving me crazy. I need to put in what I think,

 

First topic: Lenny's are always criticized by Shamies. Not really. I, as a Shamy, think that Lenny is GREAT and are an awesome parallel to the Sheldon - Amy relationship, yes, they are different. but they're not better or worse than Shamy. Like Rajemily, Shamy, Howardette, Lenny, they're all couples, people that love each other very much and want the best for each other. Just because of the way they execute their relationships (*cough, cough* , Sheldon especially), doesn't mean that they are a superior couple. These couples were designed to make the show more meaningful and funny. And that's the way the writers intended it to be, to make us laugh.

 

Second topic: Sheldon and Amy, Sheldon treats Amy like a doormat. Yes, sometimes he did, and sometimes she went along with it. But, as the seasons have progressed, Amy has become stronger. That girl knows when to put her foot down, when to kick Sheldon out of her car and her house and make him take the bus. She knows when to stay angry at him, and how to manipulate him exactly. Not that I'm saying that it's good that she can manipulate him so easily, it's just that, well, sometimes Sheldon needs a kick in the pants once in a while, a kind of 'snap out of it' thing. I think that Amy gives him that. That's what makes the relationship click. And, by any standard, I will assure you, that I would not stay in a relationship with a guy like Sheldon (as much as I love his character and how funny he is), just because of his selfishness and lack of empathy. (it's getting better!!)

 

Third topic: Sheldon and Amy have a lack of intimacy and this is wrong/right/we don't know or care. What a relationship all comes down to in the end, is respect. If a couple gives each other the respect they deserve - not treating the other person as an object, making sure that they are happy, etc., is what's important. It's okay to develop an emotional relationship without physical aspects until later. Lenny is happy and shows respect for each other. That's perfectly fine. Doesn't matter about the past. Look at the present. Sheldon and Amy, they have mutual respect (which has evolved greatly in the last seasons), and when they're ready, they'll get there. Never fear, Shamies!

 

That's what I've got. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this post, cause everyone in this thread has been quite err... touchy in these past few posts. Not accusing anyone of anything, not insulting Lennys or Shamies, not insulting any ship, because they're all great.

Edited March 24, 2015 by StoicPhilosopher

[Carlos]

MTBigBangTheoryFan:

 

In continuing to read your posts I cannot believe how wrong you are about the matter of sex before marriage, how judgmental , and how petulant to think that your way is the only right way. First of all most teenage pregnancies are not just the result of not abstaining, but also of poor sexual education. Abstinence as a contraceptive method is a pretty poor one, simply because people enjoy sex so much. Besides, what's the difference between being married and not being married when it comes to contraceptive methods? None. Even after being married, couples need to use some kind of contraceptive method or otherwise they will have more children than they want or are able to care for. Of course sex isn't everything, but it is a pretty important component in a romantic relationship for most people, so I see no problem with having more than one sexual partner in a life time.

Edited March 24, 2015 by Carlos

[Tonstar17]

I apologize if I offended. I only brought up chewing toy because Chrismo said that he doesn't understand why Amy needs Sheldon if she has Gerard, to prove how ridiculous that is-if it applies to Shamy, it could apply to any other couple, making any relationship stories pointless. And if we are going by that logic, Gerard hadn't been mentioned since season four, making Chrismo's argument invalid.

And about the rest, I don't see how would that be offensive to Lenny shippers. It really took a long time for Leonard and Penny to get over their commitment issues, more than seven years, you have to admit. The point is, if they managed to get over it, why is such a big deal that Sheldon and Amy aren't having sex after three years (only being a romantic couple since season five and Amy only getting interested in sex then, not really getting sexually frustrated until the next season)? I just don't think that it is as big of a problem as some comments seem to suggest, or that weird, given Sheldon's problems and the fact that every couple on the show has something that holds them back. If every couple follows that path, and Shamy even did in some parts (such as, becoming a couple at all-in seasons three and four the possibility of that was just a joke), what's the problem?

I get where you are coming from its like 4 years ago he told penny that there is a possibility moving to the next level with Amy . I also get his phobia about gems but I feel he needs to give Amy a timescale of when he is going to be ready. He has a roommate and relationship agreement. Why not a timescale when he is ready. We know Amy loves him and wants sex with him and more. I feel she has been very patient and still is. Sheldon need to show that he is also working to accept that Amy also has needs.

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[Carlos]

To ATOB: Your two posts on the matter are just perfect. Don't apologize. Everything you said was dead on , and I don't think you were being disrespectful, you were just addressing insensitive comments being posted as undisputed truths. I'm sorry I could only give your posts one LIKE. Where's the 100 Likes option when you need it?

[tmp]

The episode they're taping tonight is almost certainly the first of the May sweeps episodes, so they'll be pulling out the big exciting stuff.  It might be a secret special guest star, somebody like Shatner.  They were oddly secretive about Billy Bob Thornton.

 

I'm convinced somewhere in these last four episodes of the season, Penny will get offered the job on Clerks 3, then she'll have to decide whether to pursue acting again or stick with her stable lucrative job.  In the end, she'll follow her dream and go to NJ for the summer to do the movie.

 

I also want them to follow up with Raj's parents.  Their divorce hasn't been mentioned lately.

[Tonstar17]

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[NerwenAldarion]

How the heck did this turn into a sex before marriage debate????

 

Can we get back to talking about the show?

[Nogravitasatall]

@ATOB, big ups. So angry but keeping it short. We are a technology using species. People need to cope. I look forward to the thread for this argument. But TBBT makes its own efforts in their very small way. Let's see them guest Stephen Fry. That'd be cool. And likely only in another universe.

[Mislav]

I get where you are coming from its like 4 years ago he told penny that there is a possibility moving to the next level with Amy . I also get his phobia about gems but I feel he needs to give Amy a timescale of when he is going to be ready. He has a roommate and relationship agreement. Why not a timescale when he is ready. We know Amy loves him and wants sex with him and more. I feel she has been very patient and still is. Sheldon need to show that he is also working to accept that Amy also has needs.

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Actually it's been two years since he said that. But they seem to be on the right way-kissing as a part of an Agreement, their mutual "I love you"-etc, and remember when he said that they didn't even kiss. I don't think that we will wait that long for them to have coitus anyway, maybe up to season nine finale.

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Spot on!

To chim in. "Uncommon beauty is commonly overlooked".

Edited March 24, 2015 by Mislav

[Tripper]

Please can we steer the thread away from the morality debate, especially to the extent it's focusing on one person's views and posts which they have since removed. Thank you.

[rachelshamyfan]

Let's debate the quietness from the cast and crew regarding this taping, its first sweeps episode so something reasonably big could happen I guess?

[notchinc]

Double wedding............

[Tonstar17]

Double wedding............

Sorry. Nòoooooòoooòoòoooooooòoooooòoooooooooooooooooo. OK stop now.☺

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