S8 Discussion Thread

[stardustmelody]

Not that we have been getting much from the set, but Production Journal for 8.22 is up!

[Trinabeana78]

When talking to Sheldon, Penny doesn't say whether she likes or dislikes her current job.

 

Basically Sheldon is going on & on about trains. Then Penny says, so say I had train and two tracks. One track would take the train to an audition for a big movie, and the other track would take it to a job in pharmaceutical sales. Which one should it take? Sheldon asks if she's trying to use trains to trick him into giving her advice. She says, of course not (clearly lying, lol). Sheldon says okay, well I think it should take a third track. Go to the audition, but keep the pharmaceutical job until seeing what happens with the audition. Penny says of course, I'm worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet. Then Sheldon asks her why she's not asking Leonard about this. Penny remarks, because she already knows what he'll say, imitating Leonard's kind of nagging voice "no, no, no, you shouldn't do it." Sheldon then laughs and says, it's just like he's here!

[SRAM]

well if you cry by reading some opinions(by some random person on the internet) that you do not seem to like.. then I can't do anything lolI found that gif cute ...so i kept it as my avatar...no other reason as simple as that.... Nah , I think earlier he was shy and awkward...but now he is just pathetic... one of the reason behind this is there is no characterization of his character at all in the last few seasons...it is always about penny and sheldon... leonard just seems to be a passenger in their stories..his character seems to the least number of plots... I rarely see any attraction...be it the actress or the character...Penny constantly criticizes leonard and makes fun of him in every aspect...and leonard being the pathetic guy he has become takes everything..last season I thought leonard was standing up to penny when she suddenly quit her job and pursued acting...but he reverted to the pathetic self again... i think leonard is exactly what you are saying.... a perfect roommate for sheldon... a wimp for a bullyand same in the relationship...wimp and a bully....but if the only thing left out a character are exaggeration for the jokes...then the characters do not look good.....I wish penny would just dump leonard... probably then leonard's character would get some good plots...or else he will have to wallow in the feet of penny and sheldon...and penny's character would probably be more happier and cheerful if she were not together with leonard...

I see a lot with what you are saying, maybe not all of it, but a lot. I agree Sheldon has become a bully, but not in the physical sense, but a bully never the less. Penny is a bully in her own way too, and Leonard's constant giving in to her has become less about love and more about his pathetic need to not loose her. He has become nothing more than a pawn for Sheldon and Penny.

[kerrycec03]

and there you have, exactly why Penny went to Sheldon for advie.  Thanks so much Trina!!! 

[SRAM]

When talking to Sheldon, Penny doesn't say whether she likes or dislikes her current job.

 

Basically Sheldon is going on & on about trains. Then Penny says, so say I had train and two tracks. One track would take the train to an audition for a big movie, and the other track would take it to a job in pharmaceutical sales. Which one should it take? Sheldon asks if she's trying to use trains to trick him into giving her advice. She says, of course not (clearly lying, lol). Sheldon says okay, well I think it should take a third track. Go to the audition, but keep the pharmaceutical job until seeing what happens with the audition. Penny says of course, I'm worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet. Then Sheldon asks her why she's not asking Leonard about this. Penny remarks, because she already knows what he'll say, imitating Leonard's kind of nagging voice "no, no, no, you shouldn't do it." Sheldon then laughs and says, it's just like he's here!

Thanks for the update, but it now makes it sound like Penny is putting Leonard down again, like she has no respect for him.

[vasu]

Thanks for the update, but it now makes it sound like Penny is putting Leonard down again, like she has no respect for him.

like?? lol....

 

anyway another reason why I think penny should dump leonard apart from leonard being pathetic is penny hardly seem to be attracted to him....

 

I don't remember her talking to anyone fondly about leonard... when ever she talks its always critcizing...

 

every other couple on the show seem do this... even sheldon does this....but penny is the only one who does not do this.. (in the past few seasons...)

 

I wish penny gets the role ...  but it has be shooted at some other location...with a hot co-star....so leonard being his pathetic self...becomes jealous and overbearing and tries to stop penny from going.......finally penny has enough and dumps leonard infront of everyone.....and leaves for the movie...

Edited March 26, 2015 by vasu

[stardustmelody]

When talking to Sheldon, Penny doesn't say whether she likes or dislikes her current job.

 

Basically Sheldon is going on & on about trains. Then Penny says, so say I had train and two tracks. One track would take the train to an audition for a big movie, and the other track would take it to a job in pharmaceutical sales. Which one should it take? Sheldon asks if she's trying to use trains to trick him into giving her advice. She says, of course not (clearly lying, lol). Sheldon says okay, well I think it should take a third track. Go to the audition, but keep the pharmaceutical job until seeing what happens with the audition. Penny says of course, I'm worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet. Then Sheldon asks her why she's not asking Leonard about this. Penny remarks, because she already knows what he'll say, imitating Leonard's kind of nagging voice "no, no, no, you shouldn't do it." Sheldon then laughs and says, it's just like he's here!

Thanks, Trina.   To me this just magnifies the issue with Lenny.   There is never a problem with going to a friend for a second opinion, but even Sheldon, clueless Sheldon knows she should have gone to Leonard with the career options.   I mean if Sheldon knows and asks her why she doesn't go to Leonard that is pretty significant because he is pretty clueless on relationship protocols still.   Even he understands that is what she should be doing.   

 

Also in her response, it sounds like instead of trying to help Leonard understand her point of view she avoids trying to work things through with him.   Another red flag in their relationship.   

 

In all honesty, at this point Sheldon and Amy are further along in understanding how to work things through and in becoming more a solid couple than Lenny are.  They built their foundation first and keep building on it so that when the physical stuff follows, it is going to be a dynamite relationship.   But Lenny feel like they are getting further  and further apart to be honest.  The gap is widening, not narrowing.

[DrWackaDoodle]

So, basically, since Penny and Leonard are in a relationship, they can only seek advice from each other? Not only is that unrealistic, it's unhealthy emotionally and psychologically. We've seen in the past that acting versus a stable career has been a trigger point for Lenny. Wouldn't it therefore make sense that Penny would want to avoid an argument over something that she might not even do? Would it be better if Penny went to Amy or Bernadette rather than Sheldon?

[Tensor]

 But Lenny feel like they are getting further  and further apart to be honest.  The gap is widening, not narrowing.

 

 

Hmmmmmmmmm, at this stage of the season, to paraphrase Arte Johnson,  velllllllly interesting, but scary.

[stardustmelody]

So, basically, since Penny and Leonard are in a relationship, they can only seek advice from each other? Not only is that unrealistic, it's unhealthy emotionally and psychologically. We've seen in the past that acting versus a stable career has been a trigger point for Lenny. Wouldn't it therefore make sense that Penny would want to avoid an argument over something that she might not even do? Would it be better if Penny went to Amy or Bernadette rather than Sheldon?

I never said that, in fact I said there is no problem going to a friend, but when you are making big decisions that do impact the daily lives of being in couplehood, it is important that you work things out with your significant other.  This isn't about what model of car to buy or which blender should she get....it is about her career. That impacts the daily lives of this couple in a tremendous way.  It should be at least discussed and a unity achieved within the couple or it could cause some bigger issues down the road.  

 

I think people are missing the point here.  This was a major decision point for Penny.  She was looking at what would impact her future in more ways than just career.  It was going to impact Leonard's life in a big way, but have no bearing whatsoever on Sheldon's.   While there is nothing wrong with her going to Sheldon to share or bounce the idea off on him, gain some objectivity, etc. but, ultimately she should have returned to Leonard at the very least and walked things through with him and explained why she would go on the audition, but not let it impact her current job in case things didn't go anywhere.  He probably would have supported that plan but was never given the option.  But that was never shown or even implied.   

[SRAM]

Thanks, Trina.   To me this just magnifies the issue with Lenny.   There is never a problem with going to a friend for a second opinion, but even Sheldon, clueless Sheldon knows she should have gone to Leonard with the career options.   I mean if Sheldon knows and asks her why she doesn't go to Leonard that is pretty significant because he is pretty clueless on relationship protocols still.   Even he understands that is what she should be doing.   

 

Also in her response, it sounds like instead of trying to help Leonard understand her point of view she avoids trying to work things through with him.   Another red flag in their relationship.   

 

In all honesty, at this point Sheldon and Amy are further along in understanding how to work things through and in becoming more a solid couple than Lenny are.  They built their foundation first and keep building on it so that when the physical stuff follows, it is going to be a dynamite relationship.   But Lenny feel like they are getting further  and further apart to be honest.  The gap is widening, not narrowing.

I so agree. I thought they were making progress in season 6, but in season 7 & 8 they have seemed to regress, and it is ironic that that is the period they got engaged. They act more like friends with benefits, with Leonard being pathetic, then an engaged couple moving on to marriage.

Hmmmmmmmmm, at this stage of the season, to paraphrase Arte Johnson,  velllllllly interesting, but scary.

I agree, right now I think they are riper for a breakup then in season 3. I'd hate see that, but if they do break up, I really don't see a realistic way to put them back together. They are not Ross and Rachel.

[Nogravitasatall]

.... instead of trying to help Leonard understand her point of view she avoids trying to work things through with him.   Another red flag in their relationship.  ....   But Lenny feel like they are getting further  and further apart to be honest.  The gap is widening, not narrowing.

This to make us anxious and build suspense and to showcase Sheldon. However, it does appear to kick the L/P relationship in the guts. Oops. Time for more camisoles. Maybe there will be a "placate with sex" tag.

[meka3000]

In all honesty, at this point Sheldon and Amy are further along in understanding how to work things through and in becoming more a solid couple than Lenny are.  They built their foundation first and keep building on it so that when the physical stuff follows, it is going to be a dynamite relationship.   But Lenny feel like they are getting further  and further apart to be honest.  The gap is widening, not narrowing.

 

PLEASE you mean the same Sheldon that DIDN'T consider Amy's feelings when applying for Mars, even when ALL his friends told him Amy would be mad, but did it anyway?  You think THAT relationship is further along?  What a joke.

 

All I see here with Lenny is them needing to work on communication issues.  I see no red flags here,  yes they have issues they need to work on, but I believe they will get there.

[vasu]

if there are still communication issues between a couple after being engaged for a year... knowing each other for almost 8 years.. dating for 4-5 years...

then I guess it is a pretty clear indication of how awful the couple is...

 

I don't about that part... but it is pretty clear that penny leonard is similar to sheldon leonard ... which is basically bully and a wimp...

 

penny never hesitates to criticize or undermine leonard in his face or infront of others.....while leonard still is afraid of doing anything because he thinks penny would dump him... definition of pathetic..

 

 

This to make us anxious and build suspense and to showcase Sheldon. However, it does appear to kick the L/P relationship in the guts. Oops. Time for more camisoles. Maybe there will be a "placate with sex" tag.

 

sex seems to be the only plot slot leonard and penny getting...lol.... again in which penny clearly is not satisfied..which she specified a number of times in the show to leonard and everyone one else also...

Edited March 26, 2015 by vasu

[notchinc]

Bills so chatty today. I wish his Twitter photo was the other board so I could get the titles to the next 3 episodes...

[Mislav]

if there are still communication issues between a couple after being engaged for a year... knowing each other for almost 8 years.. dating for 4-5 years...

then I guess it is a pretty clear indication of how awful the couple is...

I don't about that part... but it is pretty clear that penny leonard is similar to sheldon leonard ... which is basically bully and a wimp...

penny never hesitates to criticize or undermine leonard in his face or infront of others.....while leonard still is afraid of doing anything because he thinks penny would dump him... definition of pathetic..

sex seems to be the only plot slot leonard and penny getting...lol....

You don't seem to like neither Leonard or Sheldon (two main characters) much, it makes me wonder why have you been watching the show for the last eight years.

[meka3000]

if there are still communication issues between a couple after being engaged for a year... knowing each other for almost 8 years.. dating for 4-5 years...

then I guess it is a pretty clear indication of how awful the couple is...

 

penny never hesitates to criticize or undermine leonard in his face or infront of others.....while leonard still is afraid of doing anything because he thinks penny would dump him... definition of pathetic..

 

My parents have communication issues from time to time, but they're still married.  You going to say their relationship is horrible to?

 

Again you can't tell the difference between playful teasing and actual malice.

Edited March 26, 2015 by meka3000

[Guest]

PLEASE you mean the same Sheldon that DIDN'T consider Amy's feelings when applying for Mars, even when ALL his friends told him Amy would be mad, but did it anyway? You think THAT relationship is further along? What a joke.

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Woh there, Don't forget SHELDON apologized and made things right with Amy, asking her to apply with him. They definitely need some more work, but they're not like they were in Season 5 & 6 when there was 0 communication and desire to make each other (at least for SHELDON) happy at all.

People are saying they're more along because more has been happening for them, not because their relationship is as developed.

[meka3000]

Woh there, Don't forget SHELDON apologized and made things right with Amy, asking her to apply with him.

 

And I'm supposed to believe Sheldon won't make this same mistake again WHY?

[Mislav]

And I'm supposed to believe Sheldon won't make this same mistake again WHY?

Because by apologizing to Amy and making things right, he acknowledged that what he did was wrong.

[vasu]

You don't seem to like neither Leonard or Sheldon (two main characters) much, it makes me wonder why have you been watching the show for the last eight years.

 

to be active on this forum..

 

 

My parents have communication issues from time to time, but they're still married.  You going to say their relationship is horrible to?

 

Again you can't tell the difference between playful teasing and actual malice.

 

look dude.. I am talking about fictional characters here....so lets continue talking about fictional characters here.....

I have no idea about parents and neither do I want to talk about them... I think it would highly disrespectful....

[Mislav]

to be active on this forum..

look dude.. I am talking about fictional characters here....so lets continue talking about fictional characters here.....

I have no idea about parents and neither do I want to talk about them... I think it would highly disrespectful....

So... why not find a show that you like, with characters that you like, and be active on that forum?

Why are you watching a show that you don't like so you can be active on a forum dedicated to that show?

And although these are fictional characters, you can't judge or understand them without making some connection with the real life people or real life situations that you had experienced. The show is fictional and has many unrealistic moments but you can't say that it doesn't have a dose of realism to it. It would have been unbearable in case that were so

[CaffeineBuzz]

Alright, time to throw my 2 cents in. And to be clear I've got my analytical hat on for this, not my shipper hat.

Many people have been upset with the Lenny dynamic this season and the lack of attention on them. Well get ready cause they are about to be shoved into the spotlight for the finale and for at least the first half of next season. And folks, it ain't gonna be pretty. Just as they were building up the Sheldon breakdown last season, the stress on Leonard and the communication breakdown between Lenny has been building all season.

This latest taping is reinforcing that greatly. If it were an isolated issue it could be overlooked but it's a pattern and writers don't create patterns and escalate them without reason.

Lenny's emotional dynamic and communication needs to be fixed, big time, BEFORE they get married. And that will most likely be the theme of the finale with the fixing being next season. They need this in order to be the couple they're supposed to be.

[vasu]

So... why not find a show that you like, with characters that you like, and be active on that forum?

Why are you watching a show that you don't like so you can be active on a forum dedicated to that show?

And although these are fictional characters, you can't judge or understand them without making some connection with the real life people or real life situations that you had experienced. The show is fictional and has many unrealistic moments but you can't say that it doesn't have a dose of realism to it. It would have been unbearable in case that were so

 

I don't there is much realism in this show.... leonard would never stay with Sheldon for this many years...no way....and penny would never settle for leonard.....no chance....

 

Alright, time to throw my 2 cents in. And to be clear I've got my analytical hat on for this, not my shipper hat.

Many people have been upset with the Lenny dynamic this season and the lack of attention on them. Well get ready cause they are about to be shoved into the spotlight for the finale and for at least the first half of next season. And folks, it ain't gonna be pretty. Just as they were building up the Sheldon breakdown last season, the stress on Leonard and the communication breakdown between Lenny has been building all season.

This latest taping is reinforcing that greatly. If it were an isolated issue it could be overlooked but it's a pattern and writers don't create patterns and escalate them without reason.

Lenny's emotional dynamic and communication needs to be fixed, big time, BEFORE they get married. And that will most likely be the theme of the finale with the fixing being next season. They need this in order to be the couple they're supposed to be.

 

I hardly think so... bbt focussing on Leonard like they focus sheldon is never gonna happen.....

 

building all season??? are you kidding... they hardly had focus and suddenly it has been building all season....if I remember properly people were saying when it was mentioned they were not having plots because the couple finally happy together are going together great...... 

 

 

there might be one two plots of leonard acting pathetic and penny impatiently arguing with leonard........but I think the main plots will surround sheldon and amy and how and when they are going to do it.....

Edited March 26, 2015 by vasu

[Guest StoicPhilosopher]

And I'm supposed to believe Sheldon won't make this same mistake again WHY?

He probably will. But love is about making a mistake and forgiving each other.

Just like Lenny forgives each other's shortcomings, so does Shamy. And that's progress.

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