S8 Discussion Thread

[SRAM]

Alright, time to throw my 2 cents in. And to be clear I've got my analytical hat on for this, not my shipper hat.

Many people have been upset with the Lenny dynamic this season and the lack of attention on them. Well get ready cause they are about to be shoved into the spotlight for the finale and for at least the first half of next season. And folks, it ain't gonna be pretty. Just as they were building up the Sheldon breakdown last season, the stress on Leonard and the communication breakdown between Lenny has been building all season.

This latest taping is reinforcing that greatly. If it were an isolated issue it could be overlooked but it's a pattern and writers don't create patterns and escalate them without reason.

Lenny's emotional dynamic and communication needs to be fixed, big time, BEFORE they get married. And that will most likely be the theme of the finale with the fixing being next season. They need this in order to be the couple they're supposed to be.

That would make sense, if that is what they do, because right now they are not doing well as a couple.

[Tonstar17]

Alright, time to throw my 2 cents in. And to be clear I've got my analytical hat on for this, not my shipper hat.

Many people have been upset with the Lenny dynamic this season and the lack of attention on them. Well get ready cause they are about to be shoved into the spotlight for the finale and for at least the first half of next season. And folks, it ain't gonna be pretty. Just as they were building up the Sheldon breakdown last season, the stress on Leonard and the communication breakdown between Lenny has been building all season.

This latest taping is reinforcing that greatly. If it were an isolated issue it could be overlooked but it's a pattern and writers don't create patterns and escalate them without reason.

Lenny's emotional dynamic and communication needs to be fixed, big time, BEFORE they get married. And that will most likely be the theme of the finale with the fixing being next season. They need this in order to be the couple they're supposed to be.

And I'm sad again... Edited March 26, 2015 by Tonstar17

[kelliluvtbbt]

Why is it a problem that Penny sought Sheldon's advice?  Don't we all need friends in addition to our significant others?  In this case in particular, Sheldon was the one who encouraged her when she quit the CF to pursue acting, so it makes sense that she would want that perspective again.  

Exactly... and Penny has been consulting and talking to Sheldon about various things since the beginning almost. I don't see the problem with that. Sheldon had an issue with quitting string theory.. Penny gave him advice. They've been friends for almost 8 years. It sounds logical to me. 

[Mislav]

I don't there is much realism in this show.... leonard would never stay with Sheldon for this many years...no way....and penny would never settle for leonard.....no chance....

I hardly think so... bbt focussing on Leonard like they focus sheldon is never gonna happen.....

there might be one two plots of leonard acting pathetic and penny impatiently arguing with leonard........but I think the main plots will surround sheldon and amy and how and when they are going to do it.....

That doesn't mean that there isn't any realism to it and believe me there are much worse "friends" in Real life than Sheldon.

And is Leonard really that bad? Have you seen any of Penny's other boyfriends? Kurt was mooching her off, Mike posted intimate details about their relationship online and slept with another woman within a day after their break up, Zack was, in Penny's words, totally stupid, and Stuart was basically a substitute for Leonard. He never tried to take advantage of her (aside from that horrible Raiders Minimization), was actually able to see more than her looks, brought her a car so she could continue pursuing her acting career... It doesn't sound that bad.

Edited March 26, 2015 by Mislav

[Nogravitasatall]

@caffeine buzz, what colour is your hat?

But yes, I too think this is an arc, building. It is done with less grace than might be wished for because the pair have always been turbulent. If you chart them, the joy rarely gets to positive territory. It goes from "well they look ok" to "they look like they are in trouble", with very rare spikes. In s8 we rarely if ever saw them looking outstandingly fabulous, because that fabulousness was elsewhere deployed. On the tall guy (heightism deployed).

In the end I think they will be fine. It's the middle that the show is finding tricky. And that is what we are watching. The middling stuff.

Exactly... and Penny has been consulting and talking to Sheldon about various things since the beginning almost. I don't see the problem with that. Sheldon had an issue with quitting string theory.. Penny gave him advice. They've been friends for almost 8 years. It sounds logical to me.

The problem is that they made the show partly about her talking to the guy who sleeps on her couch to stop her from having any intimacy with her boyfriend because that's the kind of guy Sheldon is. He should give counselling?

Otherwise what you say is reasonable.

I'd rather see Penny and Leonard duke it out, than have to hear her bitch behind his back to Sheldon and shop for a second opinion. Why is Penny and Leonard's excellent life all happening off-screen? I'd be entertained to see it.

Edit: Because.

Edited March 26, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[phantagrae]

Okay, so here's a more complete version of the taping report.  Whew!

It really was funny guys, with more emphasis on the guys' story than on Penny's audition.

I don't think there was any big relationship issue between Penny and Leonard over her asking Sheldon for advice about the audition.  I think that storytelling-wise, they are giving her and the girls something to do, but also kind of following up on the Kevin Smith audtion offer (and I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up being offered the role, despite her "stinking" audition, which will lead to further developments)

Amy was only in the tag scene and Bernie was in the tag and the scene with Howard and the cocktails.

 

I think I have the scenes in the right order.

 

Anyway, as Jim said, "Here it begins"...

 

The Communication Deterioration

Story: Dave Goetsch, Steve Holland, Jeremy Howe

Teleplay: Steven Molaro, Eric Kaplan, Jim Reynolds

 

Cold Open: CalTech Cafeteria

Sheldon, Leonard, and Howard are at the table and Sheldon tells them he’s been working on rewriting the lyrics to popular children’s songs and offers to demonstrate or asks if they want to hear them.

Howard says yes and Leonard is surprised, but Howard says that he likes science (and something else) and he likes to make fun of Sheldon.

Sheldon sings about James Clark Maxwell to the tune of “Bingo” (There was a scientist who… and JamesClarkMaxell was his name-o.  J-A-M-E-S-C-L etc. and JamesClarkMaxwell was his name-o.)

When Leonard stops him (as he’s singing the second verse where he claps in place of the letter J) Sheldon offers another song.  “The Itsy Bitsy Spider was not an insect at all.  He has 8 legs and 2 body segments…”

The first time I think it ended there, but the second and third time they shot it, Sheldon asked if either of them knew Beyonce because he really wanted her to get behind it.

Raj comes in and says that he’s working on a project to design a communication device for a NASA (I think) probe that may eventually encounter alien life and he asks the guys if they want to be on the design team with him.

They are all eager, and Leonard first asks Raj what he has in mind, but then Sheldon and Howard make suggestions about what it would need to be like to be accessible to any kind of sensory systems.

Raj says that S & H did exactly what he thought they would do—jump in and try to run things with their own ideas and that Leonard was the only gentleman who bothered to ask Raj what he wanted to do.  So they’re out and Leonard is the on the team.

Leonard says, “Mama (or mommy?) raised a gentleman!”

 

Raj’s Apartment

Leonard comes over to work on the project and he and Raj talk a little about the other guys being so bossy and Leonard says they’re both Alpha males and that he and Raj are Beta males or even Omegas, because they get pushed around by the Alphas.  He says this morning Sheldon would let him put almond milk on his Grapenuts because it was some kind of nut conflict (can’t remember the exact wording.)

Raj says he should just tell Sheldon to mind his own business and Leonard says that sounds better than what I did, which was to agree to eat them with club soda.

Then Leonard says, “There are no alpha males here, so what do you want to do?”

Raj kind of shrugs and says, “I don’t know.  What do you want to do?”

After a bit of not knowing how they’re going to start, Raj asks what comes after Omegas and Leonard says, “Guys who eat fizzy cereal.”

 

Apartment 4A

Penny does the triple knock on Sheldon’s door.

He answers with this kind of smug look on his face and says, “I bet that started out as a joke, but now you realize how good it feels.”

Penny says, “Yeah, I kind of want to do it again…”

Sheldon says, “If you do, you’ll be doing it the rest of your life.”  Then he tells her that if she’s looking for Leonard, he’s over at Raj’s.

But she says she came to talk to him, and he happily invites her in and I think he either said he had a long list of topics or maybe he offered some topics.

She said she needed advice or something.

He says it’s not on the list.

When she asks whether or not she should take the audition he says he knows exactly what she should do but he can’t tell her because he has turned over a new leaf and is trying not to tell people what to do.  “That train has left the station.”

Then he says that she can ask him about trains or just keep looking at him like that (kind of stunned) and he’ll just start.

 

Mrs. W’s kitchen (seems like H&B might be living in the house now, but they don’t say specifically)

Howard has a bunch of stuff on the kitchen table and he’s using a pipette to drop liquid over a ball of something in a little container.  I think he also has a drink of some kind on the table.

Bernie comes in and asks what he’s doing and he explains that he and Raj have had an idea for a long time about making molecular cocktails, so that rather than it being a drink it’s this little ball of something (with liquor).

Then Howard offers her one but wants to take a picture first so he can show Raj that he’s doing it without him, showing him up.

He makes a comment about having a dominant personality and I think that’s where Bernie asks him how many of those little cocktail balls he’s had.

Anyway, she says something about him cleaning up the mess when he’s done (her dialog obviously making a joke of his “dominant personality” by telling him what to do.)

 

This scene was done in one take.

 

Apt 4A

Sheldon and Penny are at the kitchen island drinking tea and Sheldon is holding up an iPad with a picture of an old-fashioned train.  He explains how the iron frame on the front was used to push objects off the tracks.  He says, “It’s commonly known as a cow catcher, but I prefer cow exploder.”

Penny then asks him if she was at a train station and there was one train that took her to her current job and one train that took her to the audition and back to acting, which train should she get on?

Sheldon asks if she’s using trains to trick him into giving her advice.

I can’t remember what she says exactly but she denies it, I think.

So he says she should take a third train that takes her where she takes the audition but doesn’t do anything else until she has more information.

She realizes she’s been worrying about stuff that hasn’t happened yet (she doesn’t have to choose between the two careers yet) and she can still do the audition.

She says that Sheldon is a wise man.

He asks who’s wiser, the wise man or the person who asks his advice.

Penny says something like, “I guess I’m the wise one” (since she sought his advice.)

He says, “No, the wise man is the wiser one, that’s why he’s called the wise man” or something like that.

Sheldon asks her why she didn’t go to Leonard with this question and she says that she already knows what he’ll say, “Don’t do the audition” (said in a kind of whiny voice.)

Sheldon says she sounds just like him, or that it’s just like he’s in the room.

 

Raj’s Apartment

Leonard and Raj are talking about how with the golden record, any aliens would have to figure out the instructions for building a record player before they could listen to the record.

Raj says, yeah, but ET was able to build a transmitter out of a Speak’N’Spell and an umbrella, like a little brown MacGyver.

Leonard says, that would be helpful if ET were real.

Raj says, “My feelings were real when he was dying”

They talk about details from the end of the movie—ET turning white, being put in a body bag, the flower dying—until they’re both on the verge of tears and Raj says, “Let’s talk about something else.”

So they start to come up with some ideas about simple communication and Raj mentions how when Cinnamon is mad at him, she pees in his slippers.

Leonard says that Penny has 20 different ways she rolls her eyes that each mean something different.

So they start coming up with stuff, getting all excited, until Leonard realizes that what they’ve come up with is exactly what Sheldon and Howard had suggested.

The first time, Raj says, “Thank you for peeing in my slippers”.  They did it again with a different joke at the end, but I can’t remember what it was.

 

Casting office (in the hallway)

Quick scene where Penny is trying to decide whether or not to go in (voice over thoughts) as she approaches the door.  She stands there and talks herself into it (“I want this!”) then opens the door and sees at least a dozen blond girls sitting waiting.

 

CalTech Cafeteria

Sheldon is singing, “It’s the eye of the tiger, it’s the ear of the bat.  It’s the whiskers of the walrus and the catfish”

Howard interrupts and says, “How can you mention bats and not mention sonar?”

Sheldon says, “You didn’t let me finish” and continues singing, “And one more thing about the bat…it has sonar.”

Raj and Leonard come in and admit they would like S&H to help.  Howard says, “Well, well, well” and says something about them coming to them (I can’t remember—maybe something about an apology?  I don’t know.)

Leonard suggests they should get together tonight to work on it, but Sheldon says, “Well, well, well” and says that Leonard is trying to take over by saying when they should work on it.  He asks Raj what he’d like to do.

Raj suggests they work on it right now, but Sheldon says, “Tonight works better for me.”

 

Apt 4A

The guys are sitting—Sheldon in his spot, Leonard in his chair, Howard in the wooden chair—and Raj is standing in front of the couch.

He starts off talking about how they want to avoid any one person taking over and that hopefully they can each proceed by building on the contributions of the others.

Sheldon says, “Building on that…I think we should order dinner.”

Howard says, “Building on that…I could go for some Chinese food.”

I think Raj says “Building on that…” and objects to the talk about dinner, but I can’t remember.

Sheldon says, “Building on that…there’s a new build-your-own-pizza place on Colorado” (or something)

Leonard says, “Building on that…I’m lactose intolerant.”

Howard says, “They have soy cheese.  I saw it on the menu.”

Sheldon says, “HA!  You didn’t say ‘building on that’!  You’re out!”

Leonard says, “This isn’t ‘Simon Says’!”

Raj says, “Yeah, you’re missing the point…”

Sheldon points at each of them and says, “You’re out, you’re out! I win!  Who wants pizza?” and jumps up and runs into the kitchen.

 

It was very funny!

 

Casting Office (inside)

Penny is sitting with two other girls and the one on her left recognizes her from previous auditions, asks how come she hasn’t seen her around.

Penny says that she has a job in sales and I think she talks about maybe not being sure why she’s there or something.

The other girl complains about how demeaning and horrible it all is.  I think she mentions that someone had started a rumor about her or something like that.  There was some mention about a rumor.

Then her name is called and all of a sudden she’s all perky and excited and goes in for her turn.

Penny turns to the other girl and laughs about how she’d started a rumor about a girl sleeping with 7 guys to get a part in Fast and Furious 6 (“I guess the 7^th guy was for luck” or something like that.)

The other girl deadpans, “That girl was me.”

 

Apt 4A

The guys are talking about how to communicate what the human race is like.  They mention the drawing of a naked man and woman on the Voyager record.

Sheldon says he didn’t like it because it showed how soft and defenseless humans are.  He says something about how humans look soft and squishy and reaches over and kind of squeezes/tickles Leonard’s middle.

Leonard says, “Squeeze yourself!”

Sheldon says, “Come on, you know that of the four of us, you’re the most veal-like.”

He tries again and squeezes or grabs at each of the others—Howard is too hard, Raj is too soft, Leonard is just right.

Raj suggests they show a human smiling and waving with one hand, but in the other hand, holding the severed head of a tiger.

Howard says, “So you want to send a passive aggressive message to the aliens?”

Raj says, “Oh, passive aggressive like you posting a picture of cosmopolitan balls that belong in my mouth?”

Sheldon says to Raj, “Passive aggressive like inviting us all to be on the team but choosing only Leonard?”

Raj apologizes but talks about how he and Leonard sometimes feel pushed around.

Leonard mentions when they went to ComicCon and the four of them dressed up as centaurs.  Who got to be human torsos and who ended up being horses butts?

Sheldon says, “But we looked great!”

Leonard says, “You let a kid sit on me.”

Howard half whispers, “He was in a wheelchair—it was his dream to sit on a centaur.”

 

(This part was re-written as follows:

“When we went to ComicCon and dressed up as Jabba the Hutt, who got to be Jabba’s head and who ended up as his fat slug butt?”

“But we looked great!”

“You let a guy sit on me!”

Howard says, “He was dressed as Princess Leah—it made a great photo!”)

 

 Raj complains about feeling left out, like when Howard took Sheldon to NASA and didn’t take anyone else.
Sheldon says, “Oh, you should go, it’s great!”

Howard apologizes, but says, “How about when you two went to Skywalker Ranch without us (him and Raj)?”

Sheldon says, “Oh that was great!” (or something like that)

Leonard says, “How about Sheldon spending all day with James Earl Jones and not telling us about it?”

Sheldon says, “From a centaur to ice cream with Darth Vader—I’m on a heck of a ride.”  (I don’t remember if they redid that part with a reference to Jabba instead of the centaur, but I guess they must have.)

He continues, “Clearly things are better when I’m in charge.  So, who’s (something), the guy in charge or the ones who put him in charge?”

Raj says something like, “Yeah, when you think about it, it’s like we’re all in charge.”

Sheldon says, “No…why is everybody so (mad at me?)”  (The audience was laughing at this part, so I couldn’t hear the end of the line very well, but it mirrors the thing with Penny and the “wise man” line.)

 

Penny’s Apt

Penny, Bernie, and Amy together.  Penny is talking about the audition and how she’s glad she left all that behind—the anxiety, depression, (and something).  She doesn’t want those feelings, she wants to sell drugs to people with those feelings.

Amy says, “I can’t believe you walked out on the audition.”

Penny says, “I did.  I went in and auditioned and stunk up the place, but then I walked out.”

She says that she’s grateful to Bernie for her job and how she’s never properly thanked her.

Bernie says, “Properly, or never, a bunch of words I’ve never heard.” (something like that)

So Penny says thank you and I think she says something like “you’re a good friend”.

Bernie suggests Penny take her good friend out for a thank you dinner.

Penny agrees, in a general, kind of non-committal way.

Amy says, “And you should take your other friend along because she overheard you talking about it and it would be awkward.”

So Penny agrees and Bernie says, “How about now?”

Penny kind of groans and gets to her feet, heading for the door, but Bernie says, “Don’t forget your wallet!”

 

Tag

Aliens watching a video where Sheldon is pointing to stars in the galaxy and talking about how to find earth.

One of aliens says that the man has shown his war finger (Sheldon pointing) and they declare war.

There is a little dialog between the two aliens watching the video (in grunty alien language with subtitles), but all you see are their tentacles waving at the screen.

Edited March 26, 2015 by phantagrae

[vasu]

That doesn't mean that there isn't any realism to it and believe me there are much worse "friends" in Real life than Sheldon.

And is Leonard really that bad? Have you seen any of Penny's other boyfriends? Kurt was mooching her off, Mike posted intimate details about their relationship online and slept with another woman within a day after their break up, Zack was, in Penny's words, totally stupid, and Stuart was basically a substitute for Leonard. He never tried to take advantage of her (aside from that horrible Raiders Minimization), was actually able to see more than her looks, brought her a car so she could continue pursuing her acting career...

 

Again I don't think there is any realism in the show... simply as I think there is no reason for Leonard to act like Sheldon's doormat for this many years....you may think otherwise ...but I think like this....

 

remind me when leonard talks about penny and it is not about her looks... I hardly remember anything.... he always praises her looks....that its... his character was never given any depth at all... and his character lost getting plots since the start of season 6.....

 

hell he even shows a topless video of his girlfriend to his mates on the ship to show off.....

penny rarely shares any secrets with leonard.... penny constantly mentions that she had better sex than Leonard and Leonard is pretty poor in sex.... to him on his face as well as to others also...she rarely hesitates to criticize leonard anywhere ...... proposed to him only when she thought there was nothing else left in her life....

she even rarely support leonard when it comes to Sheldon... see the table episode for example... she clearly tried to get the table and was supporting leonard and suddenly amy and sheldon feel sad...she completly does a 360 and ditches leonard...

 

so its not about leonard being bad or good.... his character is never given anything to even judge him properly.... apart from mostly acting pathetic...

and penny's character rarely gives the vibe of her being in love with leonard's character...so I think their relationship is a recipe for disaster...and they should break up and be happy....

Edited March 26, 2015 by vasu

[tmp]

Wow, Phanta, when you do a taping report, you REALLY do a taping report.

[Tensor]

Phant, I'm moving it over to the taping thread.  Thank you so much for your efforts.  Hope you enjoyed it.

[ajond]

OH PLEASE this is the first time we've gotten Penny going to Sheldon for advice this season.  As for the put downs, thats playful teasing, not put downs.  Majority if not ALL OF THOSE THINGS were played for laughs.  I've seen absolutely ZERO malice coming from Penny towards Leonard during those moments.

 

Are we REALLY losing our abilities to see what an actual joke is, and what is actual malice?

Maybe not malice, but possibly indifference.

[Maddie]

Thank you, Phanta!

[Chrismo]

Phanta, my wife didn't give me that detailed a report. thanks.

[phantagrae]

Guys, I don't think the Penny scene was meant to be at all malicious or indifferent or negative toward Leonard at all, except that Penny wanted to weigh Sheldon's thoughts against all the round and round she'd apparently been doing over the decision.

In the previous episode, Leonard had gone from objecting to her taking the audition because he thought she'd be giving up the good job she already had, and then when dealing with how much more money she's making, he then wanted her to go ahead and audition (presuming she would then give up her high-paying job or go back to being the poorer one?)

 

So, now she has this decision to make, and Leonard's stance was neither here nor there.  To be fair, the idea was kind of sprung on all of them by Kevin Smith, and Leonard's objection may have been not that deeply thought out (they were kind of on the spot and on the podcast while discussing it), but still, Penny is the one with a choice to make and suddenly she's being given an opportunity by someone who has seen her work and admires it (much to her surprise!)

 

I can understand her wanting to get another taste.  She dreamed about it for years and now here was something of a connection that grew out of actually doing the killer gorilla movie.

 

But she's also happy making some real money and doesn't know which oppportunity she wants more.

 

So, since she already knows Leonard's point of view (play it safe, don't do the audition), she wants someone else's perspective.

And of course, it's funnier going to Sheldon and his cow exploder.

 

But I didn't get the sense that she was sneaking around behind Leonard's back or that he would get mad if he found out she had auditioned.

Phanta, my wife didn't give me that detailed a report. thanks.

 

Yeah, I was going to tell you I met her.  She was very nice, but she knows you've gotten warnings...

[Chrismo]

 

But she's also happy making some real money and doesn't know which oppportunity she wants more.

 

 

Yeah, I was going to tell you I met her.  She was very nice, but she knows you've gotten warnings...

yeah she saw the emails anyways. I saw the tail end on chat. About me having a wife. you guys got your money's worth. A four hour taping. my wife could of used Howard's stadium pal. She said it was a long walk to the bathroom.

[meka3000]

to be active on this forum..

 

 

 

look dude.. I am talking about fictional characters here....so lets continue talking about fictional characters here.....

I have no idea about parents and neither do I want to talk about them... I think it would highly disrespectful....

 

Your kidding right?  Just because they are fictional characters DOESN'T MEAN they don't face realistic situations that other people do in day to day life.

 

Also ever since I came to this forum, I have yet to see you say ONE POSITIVE THING about the show or it's characters.  Are you REALLY THAT DESPERATE for us to hate the show and it's characters as much as YOU DO NOW?  If so, that sounds like a gigantic waste of time.

[phantagrae]

My guess would be they are talking about SETI which has NASA sponsorship.

 

http://www.seti.org/about-us

 

 

and http://www.seti.org/faq#obs1

 

 

Anyway, nice to have another voyager reference. It was also referenced in The Exhibition Approximation. My previous comment

It was something like the Discovery project. I don't remember the whole name, but I do remember "Discovery" being part of the name.

[meka3000]

I don't there is much realism in this show.... leonard would never stay with Sheldon for this many years...no way....and penny would never settle for leonard.....no chance....

 

 

I hardly think so... bbt focussing on Leonard like they focus sheldon is never gonna happen.....

 

building all season??? are you kidding... they hardly had focus and suddenly it has been building all season....if I remember properly people were saying when it was mentioned they were not having plots because the couple finally happy together are going together great...... 

 

 

there might be one two plots of leonard acting pathetic and penny impatiently arguing with leonard........but I think the main plots will surround sheldon and amy and how and when they are going to do it.....

 

Apparently you've never heard of a thing called internal logic in story telling.  A person like Sheldon Cooper might not be able to work out in the real world, but within it's established world they've been consistent with his portrayal.  Same thing with Leonard putting up with Sheldon after all these years, if Leonard survived growing up with his robot of a mother, someone like that, but with a small sense of humanity underneath it all, then Leonard can handle him.  THAT has been painted consistently.

 

As far as Leonard getting no plots this season?  I must of dreamed up him coming up with the super-fluid helium vacuum theory and how him coming up with it has been focused on in The Troll Manifestation and The Leftover Thermalization.

 

Also YES the money issue with Penny Leonard has had build up, it started in The Expedition Approximation, it's only now getting brought up because there needed to be time that has passed for Penny's stock to build up to where they needed it to be in their desired story.  Just because they didn't beat you over the head with this plot point every episode, or spoon feed it to you like a child; doesn't mean it wasn't in the background building up.

 

If you honestly think someone like Penny would never be with someone like Leonard, then you have a shallow perception of the real world that seems based more on what society dictates as acceptable.  And not venturing ANYWHERE outside that bubble.

That would make sense, if that is what they do, because right now they are not doing well as a couple.

 

On screen what have they showed you that indicates they aren't doing well as a couple?  From what little we've gotten I think they are doing fine.  Could it be better? Sure, but that does NOT necessarily mean they are doing bad.

And I'm sad again...

 

Why?  Did you think EVERYTHING involving Lenny was just going to be wine and roses on their road to the alter?  Did you honestly think there wasn't going to be any bumps on the road for them, just like IN THE PAST?

 

People on here SEEM to be looking for an excuse to press the panic button, any chance they get.

Edited March 27, 2015 by meka3000

[phantagrae]

I think the issues people sometimes have are more about their own ideas about what the show should be about or how the characters should be and it's not in sync with the show that the writers are writing.

It's like watching The Simpsons and expecting it to be Steinbeck.

I think that it's taking the show way too seriously if you think that Penny imitating Leonard is her being disrespectful, or shows some kind of trouble in their relationship. We know that the writers are mining for laughs 99% of the time and that almost all of the serious moments are punctuated with a punchline.

I think that's what the imitation was about, not some kind of statement about the state of their relationship. I also disagree with whoever said that we should be seeing Penny showing off her engagement ring or doing wedding stuff. To me that sounds really sappy and boring. Plus, just logistically, if they're not planning on marrying them off right away, because they're saving that for later, then they're not going to get people all geared up for it so far in advance by dwelling on stuff they're not planning to use.

Why have Penny making wedding plans if the writers are going to wait until S10?

I just see it as spending time telling other stories.

And funny stories, at that.

[Chrismo]

My two cents on this is the Penny audition and the Lenny situation seems to be much ado about nothing. The Penny storyline wasn't the main focus on the taping anyways. There would be more to be concerned if she got the part and then quit her job. Even last year when hercar broke down she was set to go back to the TCF and talked to Leonard about it then. Saying that though the lack of Lenny story lines and an episode of Penny possibly getting a part in a movie I would think most Lenny fans if they had to choose this as a positive or negative story would think this as a negative. One reason being delaying their future plans together. I think people have different perspective on things. for example most TBBT fans would agree that it hasn't been a great season for Lenny since things haven't been kind of at a standstill. an earlier post a few pages back on here compared this season Lenny to Shamy seasons 6 and 7. IMO I am not sure how you can make that comparison. But like everything on here it's someone's POV.

[djsurrey]

It was something like the Discovery project. I don't remember the whole name, but I do remember "Discovery" being part of the name.

 

I don't see anything relevant on the NASA Discovery pages (of course I could be missing something.).

 

Found a group trying to petition NASA to include a message on the New Horizons spacecraft that vis getting close to Pluto now. They would have to radio the message and have is stored in th spacecrafts firmware which does not really seem  to me the same as attaching a plack. I was thinking of attaching a link but they are asking for donations so I changed my mind.

[Tonstar17]

Apparently you've never heard of a thing called internal logic in story telling. A person like Sheldon Cooper might not be able to work out in the real world, but within it's established world they've been consistent with his portrayal. Same thing with Leonard putting up with Sheldon after all these years, if Leonard survived growing up with his robot of a mother, someone like that, but with a small sense of humanity underneath it all, then Leonard can handle him. THAT has been painted consistently.

As far as Leonard getting no plots this season? I must of dreamed up him coming up with the super-fluid helium vacuum theory and how him coming up with it has been focused on in The Troll Manifestation and The Leftover Thermalization.

Also YES the money issue with Penny Leonard has had build up, it started in The Expedition Approximation, it's only now getting brought up because there needed to be time that has passed for Penny's stock to build up to where they needed it to be in their desired story. Just because they didn't beat you over the head with this plot point every episode, or spoon feed it to you like a child; doesn't mean it wasn't in the background building up.

If you honestly think someone like Penny would never be with someone like Leonard, then you have a shallow perception of the real world that seems based more on what society dictates as acceptable. And not venturing ANYWHERE outside that bubble.

On screen what have they showed you that indicates they aren't doing well as a couple? From what little we've gotten I think they are doing fine. Could it be better? Sure, but that does NOT necessarily mean they are doing bad.

Why? Did you think EVERYTHING involving Lenny was just going to be wine and roses on their road to the alter? Did you honestly think there wasn't going to be any bumps on the road for them, just like IN THE PAST?

People on here SEEM to be looking for an excuse to press the panic button, any chance they get.

I guess you don't get sarcasm.

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[Stewie99]

Apparently you've never heard of a thing called internal logic in story telling.  A person like Sheldon Cooper might not be able to work out in the real world, but within it's established world they've been consistent with his portrayal.  Same thing with Leonard putting up with Sheldon after all these years, if Leonard survived growing up with his robot of a mother, someone like that, but with a small sense of humanity underneath it all, then Leonard can handle him.  THAT has been painted consistently.

 

As far as Leonard getting no plots this season?  I must of dreamed up him coming up with the super-fluid helium vacuum theory and how him coming up with it has been focused on in The Troll Manifestation and The Leftover Thermalization.

 

Also YES the money issue with Penny Leonard has had build up, it started in The Expedition Approximation, it's only now getting brought up because there needed to be time that has passed for Penny's stock to build up to where they needed it to be in their desired story.  Just because they didn't beat you over the head with this plot point every episode, or spoon feed it to you like a child; doesn't mean it wasn't in the background building up.

 

If you honestly think someone like Penny would never be with someone like Leonard, then you have a shallow perception of the real world that seems based more on what society dictates as acceptable.  And not venturing ANYWHERE outside that bubble.

 

On screen what have they showed you that indicates they aren't doing well as a couple?  From what little we've gotten I think they are doing fine.  Could it be better? Sure, but that does NOT necessarily mean they are doing bad.

 

Why?  Did you think EVERYTHING involving Lenny was just going to be wine and roses on their road to the alter?  Did you honestly think there wasn't going to be any bumps on the road for them, just like IN THE PAST?

 

People on here SEEM to be looking for an excuse to press the panic button, any chance they get.

Please, for the sake of politeness, please stop putting words in your posts in all capitals. It makes it look like you're SHOUTING CERTAIN WORDS rather than emphasising them, which is just rude and unnecessary. It also makes your posts more difficult to read and they all seem like angry rants rather than your thoughts. Please use bold or italics instead, as they do the same job without the unnecessary impoliteness to other posters.

Edited March 27, 2015 by Stewie99

[phantagrae]

Please, for the sake of politeness, please stop putting words in your posts in all capitals. It makes it look like you're SHOUTING CERTAIN WORDS rather than emphasising them, which is just rude and unnecessary. It also makes your posts more difficult to read and they all seem like angry rants rather than your thoughts. Please use bold or italics instead, as they do the same job without the unnecessary impoliteness to other posters.

I think she can use caps all she wants. Maybe she is shouting certain words. Who cares? Her whole post isn't in caps and you're not the posting police.

My two cents on this is the Penny audition and the Lenny situation seems to be much ado about nothing. The Penny storyline wasn't the main focus on the taping anyways. There would be more to be concerned if she got the part and then quit her job. Even last year when hercar broke down she was set to go back to the TCF and talked to Leonard about it then. Saying that though the lack of Lenny story lines and an episode of Penny possibly getting a part in a movie I would think most Lenny fans if they had to choose this as a positive or negative story would think this as a negative. One reason being delaying their future plans together. I think people have different perspective on things. for example most TBBT fans would agree that it hasn't been a great season for Lenny since things haven't been kind of at a standstill. an earlier post a few pages back on here compared this season Lenny to Shamy seasons 6 and 7. IMO I am not sure how you can make that comparison. But like everything on here it's someone's POV.

I don't think that Penny getting a part in a movie would delay their wedding plans in any real way, since they haven't yet picked a date or anything. A movie shoot would take forever, especially if it's for some indie film by Kevin Smith. If she decided to quit her job, she apparently has money invested or whatever, so I don't know that she'd suddenly be indigent or whatever. And I think Leonard would still want to marry her, even if she had no job whatsoever. If she were to suddenly lose her sales job, like if the company decided to lay off some of their workers, for instance, I don't think Leonard would suddenly walk away from her.

Just like Penny, I think some people are worrying about something that hasn't yet happened.

[tmp]

The way they left it, I think Penny's going to get the role.  Isn't it always when you think an interview/audition "stank up the place" that you get the job?

[Stewie99]

I think she can use caps all she wants. Maybe she is shouting certain words. Who cares? Her whole post isn't in caps and you're not the posting police.

Yes, obviously I am not the 'posting police' and I cannot tell people how to write their posts, but I was just pointing out that some may consider the way she writes certain words in her posts in all capitals to be rude and unnecessary. She is quite entitled to continue to do so if she wishes to, but I was simply informing her in case she did not already know about the other ways of emphasising her point rather than in all capitals, because it is considered by many to be the literary form of shouting and impolite to some as it comes across as if she is constantly in a rage about the topic and is just sounding off.