Stewie99 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think going into season 8 some people expected more Lenny stories. I'm not going to speak for Shamy fans but without the Sheldon ILY IMO some Shamy fans might not be as happy with this season. I do agree there is more to the show than just Lenny but it seems the faucet has been turned off completely in regards to their engagement. I agree, there has been a distinct lack of Lenny stories this season. Whereas in previous seasons Lenny always seemed to be the main relationship on the show, Shamy has really taken centre-stage this season. This isn't a bad thing but I still think we need more Lenny stories to keep a bit of balance. Perhaps it is the case that, seeing as Leonard and Penny have been around since Season 1, the writers have just run out of ideas for them 8 years on. Shamy hasn't been around for as long so there are still exciting stories to run. Maybe the writers have just developed Leonard and Penny as characters as far as they can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 HoW aBoUt wE mIX iT uP CaPsOrNoCaPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Pollard Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I agree, there has been a distinct lack of Lenny stories this season. Whereas in previous seasons Lenny always seemed to be the main relationship on the show, Shamy has really taken centre-stage this season. This isn't a bad thing but I still think we need more Lenny stories to keep a bit of balance. Perhaps it is the case that, seeing as Leonard and Penny have been around since Season 1, the writers have just run out of ideas for them 8 years on. Shamy hasn't been around for as long so there are still exciting stories to run. Maybe the writers have just developed Leonard and Penny as characters as far as they can go.  Or maybe, since there are still two more seasons to go and that Lenny fans have been serviced for the past seven years, they don't feel the need to cater to them and can instead concentrate on the non-Lenny cast members. I'm sure they don't really give a damn that a bunch of Chicken Littles on Internet message forums are screaming that the sky is falling, since there's at least two more seasons to go to provide lots of Lenny stories. HoW aBoUt wE mIX iT uP CaPsOrNoCaPs  Oh, my God, that used to aggravate the hell out of me years ago when I'd see people writing like that. Thank God it's pretty much fallen out of favor as a fad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I agree martin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Or maybe, since there are still two more seasons to go and that Lenny fans have been serviced for the past seven years, they don't feel the need to cater to them and can instead concentrate on the non-Lenny cast members. I'm sure they don't really give a damn that a bunch of Chicken Littles on Internet message forums are screaming that the sky is falling, since there's at least two more seasons to go to provide lots of Lenny stories. I didn't realize Lenny stories were for Lenny fans. i don't turn the Tv off when there aren't on. although some a few weeks ago were going to boycott when Shenny were going to be staring at each other and they weren't Lenny fans. I think you make the mistake that all " chicken Littles"on the Internet are Lenny fans. Matter a fact wasn't it a non Lenny fan who tweeted Prady about Shenny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think that all the ships or fans of various "specialties" can have Chicken Little sorts among them who will wail and gnash their teeth and declare "THIS IS THE WORST SEASON EVER!!!" (see what I did there?) if their expectations are not met, even if their expectations are completely out of sync with the show or the characters or whatever.  People tend to put the show or the characters in a box and can't imagine them being any other way (Penny's hair, Howard as an unmarried Lothario-wannabe, Sheldon as sexless, etc.) or else their perception of a character (or a ship) gets distorted through the lens of their own personal fantasy about what they think they should develop, or by what they hate or love about this or that character.  So, people who hate the Shenny in any way shape or form will screech about any interaction between S&P at all. And people who want S&P to hook up will see Sheldon and Penny as something neither of them is in order to try to make such scenarios work out. And if Lenny or Shamy or whoever doesn't get enough googly-eye swoony time together, someone will howl about that.  But I think the writers have a good feel for when to concentrate on the funny, when to make light of things--even romance--and when to get serious. Since it's a sitcom, the serious moments are going to be farther apart. There's not necessarily going to be a lot of swoony romance that isn't punctuated by something funny or smart-alecky or even downright rude.  But I think the key is (as Jim put it once in talking about how Sheldon is perceived) to see how the other characters react and respond or ignore or roll their eyes at each other. The responses of the other characters, not just in the moment, but in the big picture, are the key to understanding a scene or an episode or the roles of the characters in each other's lives. A character might get his or her feelings hurt in a moment in a scene, but the issue is usually resolved fairly quickly. Someone may get their pride hurt, or maybe puncturing their pride or self-centeredness is the point of the episode or scene.  In the end, whatever ups and downs may occur, there's nothing that's going to adversely affect their ultimate goal which is going to be, as I usually say, "Happy Endings All Around." I think that the writers love these characters enough that they're not going to leave anyone hanging or unhappy or alone. Well, maybe Stuart might not find a girlfriend, but he's not a regular, so...  So even if Leonard and Penny have a fight, I don't think the writers are going to want to play the break-up card at this point--too close to the potential end of the show. I think Penny could end up getting cold feet for an episode or two (probably not this season, but closer to the actual wedding date) or they could have some squabbley days, but in the end, they'll be together and they'll be happy, even if this or that Chicken Little out here is complaining because Penny's dress wasn't right, or she has this or that job or whatever.  And with Shamy, it's kind of the same thing. Since Sheldon is still struggling or trying to figure things out, there may yet be some ups and downs, particularly as the possiblity of coitus gets closer or whatever. But they love each other, so whatever conflicts they might have won't be dealbreakers.  And the Howardette won't break up and I think the Rajily will come full circle.  Happy Endings All Around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There is little this season that I would replay. I got to double figures often in previous years. Maybe it's my overexposure but more concretely it's because of the content of the show has changed. And I don't care about the ending. That's one episode. It's really about the ongoing story being told. The show has sagged in the middle regarding the content that has engaged me in the prior seven seasons. AND Frodo didn't just hop on an eagle and fly to the Cracks of Doom. It was what happened in between the start and the finish that was interesting. The end is the least important part of a TV show, and most stories. It's the journey to the end that we care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There is little this season that I would replay. I got to double figures often in previous years. Maybe it's my overexposure but more concretely it's because of the content of the show has changed. And I don't care about the ending. That's one episode. It's really about the ongoing story being told. The show has sagged in the middle regarding the content that has engaged me in the prior seven seasons. AND Frodo didn't just hop on an eagle and fly to the Cracks of Doom. It was what happened in between the start and the finish that was interesting. The end is the least important part of a TV show, and most stories. It's the journey to the end that we care about.  But Leonard and Penny aren't going to Mount Doom. Their journey is much easier and there's not going to be a lot of sturm und drung to get them there. And there's not going to be a lot of mushy swooning and polishing of the engagement ring, either.  Again, I don't think there have to be Romance!Lenny or Angst!Lenny or MarriageCounseling!Lenny every week, where they're pouring out their hearts all the time, because this isn't Days of Our Lives. I think that the writers are kind of assuming that we all know there's nothing wrong unless they write an episode where something goes wrong.  As long as Leonard and Penny are cruising along and not having major issues like they did back in the pre-Priya days, I think it's safe to assume that all is well, even if they're not spending 24/7 with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) But again, where is the content? There has been bugger all L/P storytelling. And that's what engages me and that is why I am dissatisfied. And if it doesn't change I may drift off. Really now I only come to the forum for the performances of the members and because of the shared interest in something I really enjoyed. And habit. The show is far less captivating to me than it once was. I just watch because I am hopeful for any flashes from the past. And now they seem unable to write for L/P. One can only wonder about the reason, but it is an observable thing that I am not making up. It is also absolutely true that I would not rush home for Shamy. Maybe for Rajily. So if they all end up happy, great. I can catch the finale, perhaps. But this season has served me poorly. Edit: Putting Leonard and penny in scenes together is not always about shipping. It's about story too. Amy and Leonard can be funny and that is pretty far from shipping. Wanting to see stories with two people that are also engaged isn't always about shipping. Two of the three headliners rarely appear on screen together alone and that's a storytelling opportunity the show just walks past all the time this season. It's unfortunate. Because honestly I can laugh at Sheldon but he is not the alpha and omega of comedy and story. Edited March 27, 2015 by Nogravitasatall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 As long as Leonard and Penny are cruising along and not having major issues like they did back in the pre-Priya days, I think it's safe to assume that all is well, even if they're not spending 24/7 with each other.It may be all is well, but if people enjoy watching Leonard and Penny interact, and the majority of what the show has for them this year is nothing more than shoving them in the background, to have them link arms, what's the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It may be all is well, but if people enjoy watching Leonard and Penny interact, and the majority of what the show has for them this year is nothing more than shoving them in the background, to have them link arms, what's the fun in that? I am not the biggest Lenny fan, but do want them to remain a couple and be end-game and all. Â I totally agree with this comment. Â It has been a dismal year for anyone that may root for this couple when it comes to scenes and progress. Â I feel even as a casual fan of the couple that they need to see more than they were given. Â I really feel for Lenny fans because I do think the couple has been very background and not shown any sort of baby steps forward. Â It is okay to slow things, but to halt to a standstill seems a bit too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It just seems like the writers said "let them get engaged and then well that's about it for them until we're ready to write the wedding".   Believe me I like the little small subtle things like the holding hands BUT and yes I'm shouting it out loud, I would like to see more in your face Lenny interaction and story lines.   I don't think I'm asking too much.  So I have to agree with others who said that Season 8 hasn't been the best for my favorite couple.  I'm happy for the Shamy but it's just not enough for me.  Oh and Phanta..congrats on your seeing a taping and thanks for your in depth reporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimbee73 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 My soul purpose for watching this show is for the comedy and the whole cast. While I gravitate towards Shamy for my fanfiction, I want all the couples to be happy. I would love to see Lenny planning their wedding or even just going out. I have loved all of the Shamy stuff this year but I definitely understand why Lenny fans are upset this season. But I can say this, I rush home to watch this show no matter what the content is because I watch it for everything. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyo85 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Maybe we should all just send Bill Prady a link to this thread, and tell him to be better next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I suspect the writers have a really good handle on what has been working from a comedy perspective and they are running with it. Â I also think they are nerds themselves like some of us fans and they get bored quickly with mushy stuff. Â Since the medium is TV with a lot of channels also think a quick snappy line is more effective at getting people to stop changing the channel than kissing and gazing. Kissing and gazing is all over the TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Maybe we should just put up with all the shit. Or just go with the flow Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Maybe we should just put up with all the shit. Or just go with the flow Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk  Well technically we are because we're all (I assume) still watching.  I don't think though it's wrong to not like something about the show, it's writing or the direction its characters, relationship or whatever are going.  I don't think it's being disloyal or anything.  It is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I suspect the writers have a really good handle on what has been working from a comedy perspective and they are running with it. I also think they are nerds themselves like some of us fans and they get bored quickly with mushy stuff. Since the medium is TV with a lot of channels also think a quick snappy line is more effective at getting people to stop changing the channel than kissing and gazing. Kissing and gazing is all over the TV. DJ IM NOT going on about the mushy stuff. They have two comedic actors that they don't put together. Its weird. They are both headliners and they are both funny. Give them a go is what Im saying But if they don't, and they want to go with the stereotypes, then fine. For me its a missed opportunity. Edited March 28, 2015 by Nogravitasatall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Well technically we are because we're all (I assume) still watching. I don't think though it's wrong to not like something about the show, it's writing or the direction its characters, relationship or whatever are going. I don't think it's being disloyal or anything. It is what it is... True that. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 DJ IM NOT going on about the mushy stuff. They have two comedic actors that they don't put together. Its weird. They are both headliners and they are both funny. Give them a go is what Im saying But if they don't, and they want to go with the stereotypes, then fine. For me its a missed opportunity. Â Perhaps some day we will see an interview that gives us a reason from the writers perspective. If I were to choose between having them fighting and sarcastic with each other or being sarcastic towards someone else I'd choose the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Perhaps some day we will see an interview that gives us a reason from the writers perspective. If I were to choose between having them fighting and sarcastic with each other or being sarcastic towards someone else I'd choose the latter.why should Lenny fans have to choose between fighting and sarcastic at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 why should Lenny fans have to choose between fighting and sarcastic at all? Exactly. Galecki has huge acting chops and Cuoco is no slouch. They can be funny with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 But they can also be funny with any of the other actors. It's not as if their talent is being wasted just because they're in scenes with other actors, or that they can only show their acting chops in scenes with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Despite being "funny with any of the other actors" it seems they both have been diminished (especially Johnny) to second tier status this season. This is of course my opinion. To quote Tensor YMMV---mine however will not change until what I see does so. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 But they can also be funny with any of the other actors. It's not as if their talent is being wasted just because they're in scenes with other actors, or that they can only show their acting chops in scenes with each other. Â I don't think it's a matter of either/or but more of why can't they show off their acting chops with each other in addition to the others is the question I know I am wondering about.. Despite being "funny with any of the other actors" it seems they both have been diminished (especially Johnny) to second tier status this season. This is of course my opinion. To quote Tensor YMMV---mine however will not change until what I see does so. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk When I saw the CBS promo for Big Bang coming up next and only showed Sheldon and Penny, I really felt bad. Â Says something IMHO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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