Chrismo Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 When people take one side or the other in the Shamy coitus issue, they say all kind of things to try to justify their positions, but the fact of the matter is that when it happens, if it happens and how it happens is something that only the writers know and whatever they decide cannot really be questioned too much, unless it screws up with the characters internal logic. I can certainly understand Amy getting tired of waiting, since that is a very valid reaction, but I can also understand Sheldon and his reluctance of moving that much forward because of how he is. The problem I see is that many times we use ourselves as points of reference, when the only thing that we should be using are the characters' past actions.I think much of Sheldon's actions are based on Lenny in the finale. What happened at the beginning of the episode with Amy being mad at Sheldon, while justified, doesn't even come close to the worst things he's done to her. His later discussion with Lenny and them bringing up they been together five years I believe made Sheldon think. His questioning of Lenny on why they haven't been planning their wedding was justified. It seems his bringing up the wedding also got them to go to Vegas to get married. I think Sheldon's plan was to get engaged after Lenny got married. It seems he already had gotten the ring before everything that happened in the episode. The immediate problem with this plan was his disagreement with Amy and then her wanting to take a break in their relationship. IMO the bigger problem is going to be if Lenny doesn't get married. Getting back to the Shamy coitus issue it would OOC for Sheldon to have coitus before getting engaged or married. He likes to have everything exactly planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Amy taking time to think about her relationship with Sheldon was nothing to do with wanting coitus All she wanted was for Sheldon on their anniversary was for him to focus on her and not a TV show, that led to Amy feeling stressed re the relationship, sure she wants coitus but neither are close to that, it will come eventually though Edited April 29, 2015 by rachelshamyfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Season 10 finale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think we are arguing stupid things. If Sheldon wanted to make a fort in the living room because it made him feel good and not left out, and gave him a sense of inclusion or whatever that's fine. It doesn't matter if another adult does it or not. He did it and included Amy and had a good time doing so. I didn't find it particularly funny or appealing to me, and that part of the story didn't interest me that much, and that's also totally valid. When people take one side or the other in the Shamy coitus issue, they say all kind of things to try to justify their positions, but the fact of the matter is that when it happens, if it happens and how it happens is something that only the writers know and whatever they decide cannot really be questioned too much, unless it screws up with the characters internal logic. I can certainly understand Amy getting tired of waiting, since that is a very valid reaction, but I can also understand Sheldon and his reluctance of moving that much forward because of how he is. The problem I see is that many times we use ourselves as points of reference, when the only thing that we should be using are the characters' past actions. Pedantically, I think I was declaiming. Lol. Or whining. But a story has to make sense to the viewer to be engaging. Sometimes I struggle. JMPOV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think much of Sheldon's actions are based on Lenny in the finale. What happened at the beginning of the episode with Amy being mad at Sheldon, while justified, doesn't even come close to the worst things he's done to her. His later discussion with Lenny and them bringing up they been together five years I believe made Sheldon think. His questioning of Lenny on why they haven't been planning their wedding was justified. It seems his bringing up the wedding also got them to go to Vegas to get married. I think Sheldon's plan was to get engaged after Lenny got married. It seems he already had gotten the ring before everything that happened in the episode. The immediate problem with this plan was his disagreement with Amy and then her wanting to take a break in their relationship. IMO the bigger problem is going to be if Lenny doesn't get married. Getting back to the Shamy coitus issue it would OOC for Sheldon to have coitus before getting engaged or married. He likes to have everything exactly planned. I agree with almost all of this. I think that the specific argument that Amy had with Sheldon was fairly transparently chosen to jump-start Lenny's plot. That is, Amy had an argument with Sheldon about the pace of their relationship, leading to Sheldon talking to Lenny about the pace of their relationship, leading to the Lenny plot. I also agree that Sheldon looked like he'd had the ring a while before the argument with Amy. Do I think that an engagement will precede coitus? Hmmm. Cynically speaking, it depends on what the bigger money-spinner is of the two. Do I think it's out of character for Sheldon to engage in coitus before marriage? Difficult to say. Yes, he's a planner, but for that reason one would think that he would like to ensure that he and Amy are compatible, if that's going to be a part of their marriage- and I believe it is. Where we part ways is whether it was justified for Amy to go off on Sheldon about pace at that precise juncture. That felt contrived to me. Tick Sheldon off about the pace of the relationship? Well, sure, but that feels like it should have happened earlier. This season's been a quantum leap forward for the Shamy. The pace thing, as I say, seems calculated to segue into the Lenny plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Where we part ways is whether it was justified for Amy to go off on Sheldon about pace at that precise juncture. That felt contrived to me. Tick Sheldon off about the pace of the relationship? Well, sure, but that feels like it should have happened earlier. This season's been a quantum leap forward for the Shamy. The pace thing, as I say, seems calculated to segue into the Lenny plot. I can't really disagree about it being contrived although it could happened before now. The Lenny wedding / wedding planning in season 8 was at a snail's pace and needed a jump start. I still remember at the beginning of the Shamy relationship the discussion he had with Penny about having a baby in a petry? Dish and what his mother's reaction would be to that. That's one of the reason's I thought coitus before marriage wouldn't happen. Edited April 29, 2015 by Chrismo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mislav Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Pedantically, I think I was declaiming. Lol. Or whining. But a story has to make sense to the viewer to be engaging. Sometimes I struggle. JMPOV.OK, although I don't personally see nothing senseless with Amy and Sheldon having a sleepover, or Sheldon building a blanket fort. I guess it can make no sense. I don't see (from your post) why though... Edited April 29, 2015 by Mislav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy2611 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I can't really disagree about it being contrived although it could happened before now. The Lenny wedding / wedding planning in season 8 was at a snail's pace and needed a jump start. I still remember at the beginning of the Shamy relationship the discussion he had with Penny about having a baby in a petry? Dish and what his mother's reaction would be to that. That's one of the reason's I thought coitus before marriage wouldn't happen. Yes but then there's The Mommy Observation episode. If she can't practice what she preaches, why the hell should he? Especially when he doesn't even believe the same things she does when it comes to religion. I think if you go to the Shamy thread and read Lionne's posts #13448 and #13636, she explains it perfectly, IMO. As for Lenny, I don't know what to make of that. If the scenario is that the girl kissed him unexpectedly and he stopped it, fine. But if he kissed her?? WTF!! That's way too OOC for Leonard WHILE HE'S WITH PENNY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 That kiss is just so hot. Bazinga Heehee! I confess, this is a relief. I read the first post, thought 'CALL AN AMBULANCE CHRISMO'S HAD A-', saw the second and went 'Phew.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Every summer for 20 years I pitched tents, tarps and strung ropes between trees. And in the early days of my relationship the two of us would go camping. Bevause it is fun. And we could get privacy. I didn't pitch the tent in the living room, because I knew a) I couldn't get the pegs into the floor and 2). I had a perfectly good bedroom. This is perhaps why I don't appreciate the metaphor. It made no sense to me, because if you want to go camping, go camping. To this day I'd rather camp than stay in a 5 star dog box when on holiday. I'm stretching here to make the analogy, but I have to contort to see the show's metaphor. And again, the cross over of the child like play and the very adult intent... let's say I didn't get that point and was distracted. The bolded bit is very interesting and well put. Let me try to explain my take on the blanket fort: I see your point that a blanket fort is associated with childhood, and that the participants in this case have an explicit discussion about somewhat sexual activity (even if 'sexual activity' in this case has to recalibrated!) However, as Mislav points out, blanket forts are not exclusively for children. Plus, for me I think I'm fine with two adults doing a childlike thing and also planning to do-er-less childlike things, so long as it's both the adults- that is, so long as one adult isn't infantilising the other. So, for example, I wriggle with discomfort when Amy uses Disneyland to explain a point about empathy to Sheldon. I wriggle when Penny buys Leonard a 'copter to make him feel better. I wriggle when Bernie punishes Howard or gives him pocket money or chores. Now, any or all of the above may be kindly and affectionately meant, but they creep me out. Others may disagree, and that's fine. And in the case of Sheldon and Amy, I see two lonely, awkward people giving each other comfort for their childhood isolation. It's both of them splashing about in childhood, if you like, and so, for me, it's okay if they both play Doctor or whatever later. Others may disagree, and that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes but then there's The Mommy Observation episode. If she can't practice what she preaches, why the hell should he? Especially when he doesn't even believe the same things she does when it comes to religion. I think if you go to the Shamy thread and read Lionne's posts #13448 and #13636, she explains it perfectly, IMO. As for Lenny, I don't know what to make of that. If the scenario is that the girl kissed him unexpectedly and he stopped it, fine. But if he kissed her?? WTF!! That's way too OOC for Leonard WHILE HE'S WITH PENNY.,I think too that their relationship has changed. In the Mommy Observation Mary was conflicted on what she had done. In regards to religion while that is true I think the coitus conflicts are different between the two. I think religion is not going to be a factor with Shamy coitus. In regards to Lenny. I can't believe he would willingly kiss someone while with Penny. The WTF is certainly true. My guess is this is one of those things that will eventually stall the Lenny Vegas wedding. I also think he will tell Sheldon about the kiss and how it bothered him and Sheldon' is going to try to make him feel better by telling him Penny almost broke up with him 6.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 https://instagram.com/p/2EP8mvhnZY/ Just thought you all might like to see this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mislav Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Every summer for 20 years I pitched tents, tarps and strung ropes between trees. And in the early days of my relationship the two of us would go camping. Bevause it is fun. And we could get privacy. I didn't pitch the tent in the living room, because I knew a) I couldn't get the pegs into the floor and 2). I had a perfectly good bedroom. This is perhaps why I don't appreciate the metaphor. It made no sense to me, because if you want to go camping, go camping. To this day I'd rather camp than stay in a 5 star dog box when on holiday. I'm stretching here to make the analogy, but I have to contort to see the show's metaphor. And again, the cross over of the child like play and the very adult intent... let's say I didn't get that point and was distracted. I think that them having a sleepover together was them showing their childlish sides for the comedic purposes. I don't see anything creepy with Amy's desire for physical intimacy because I see nothing wrong with two adults doing something innocent and childlish (although not meant to only be done by children) with one party expressing her attraction towards the other one in the same time. People in relationships are attracted to each other after all. It is just a playfull reminder that Amy still has a desire and she wasn't forcing himself on him, also it is not like Sheldon is completely sexually immature (like a child) he knows a lot about coitus and obviously enjoy kissing Amy but he is still hesitant about coitus due to his fear of germs and general opinion about coitus. And Sheldon is afraid of germs, which explains why he wouldn't want to go to a real camping. I think that anyone who had been watching the show for some time would see no problems with their sleepover. Bazinga Double Bazinga *Yes, I know how you really feel... wink wink* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 They posted some pics for 8.23 http://www.cbs.com/shows/big_bang_theory/photos/1004016/it-s-gonna-be-the-mother-of-all-face-offs-on-the-maternal-combustion-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Pollard Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Matter... anti-matter... that's all I'm saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hawking Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 it will come eventually though Pun intended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry PopTart Fan Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 They posted some pics for 8.23 http://www.cbs.com/shows/big_bang_theory/photos/1004016/it-s-gonna-be-the-mother-of-all-face-offs-on-the-maternal-combustion-/ Christine Baranski looks really tall in the pictures. A google article has her at 5'10". Poor Leonard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 ... I think that anyone who had been watching the show for some time would see no problems with their sleepover. ... Hey Mislav. I have been watching since they first broadcast the show here in 2008. Somewhat obsessively too. So to be accurate, you could say "many" or perhaps "most people", but not "anyone". However... onwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) The bolded bit is very interesting and well put. Let me try to explain my take on the blanket fort: I see your point that a blanket fort is associated with childhood, and that the participants in this case have an explicit discussion about somewhat sexual activity (even if 'sexual activity' in this case has to recalibrated!) However, as Mislav points out, blanket forts are not exclusively for children. Plus, for me I think I'm fine with two adults doing a childlike thing and also planning to do-er-less childlike things, so long as it's both the adults- that is, so long as one adult isn't infantilising the other. So, for example, I wriggle with discomfort when Amy uses Disneyland to explain a point about empathy to Sheldon. I wriggle when Penny buys Leonard a 'copter to make him feel better. I wriggle when Bernie punishes Howard or gives him pocket money or chores. Now, any or all of the above may be kindly and affectionately meant, but they creep me out. Others may disagree, and that's fine. And in the case of Sheldon and Amy, I see two lonely, awkward people giving each other comfort for their childhood isolation. It's both of them splashing about in childhood, if you like, and so, for me, it's okay if they both play Doctor or whatever later. Others may disagree, and that's fine.I had no problem with the Star Trek bit, because - long story short - how could one? The hidden pyjama thing (setting aside the fort issue) was probably a step too far for me that caused the discomfort. Premeditated, invasive of his space and a little deceptive. Anyhoo... Edited April 29, 2015 by Nogravitasatall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I had no problem with the Star Trek bit, because - long story short - how could one? The hidden pyjama thing (setting aside the fort issue) was probably a step too far for me that caused the discomfort. Premeditated, invasive of his space and a little deceptive. Anyhoo... Then how is your comfort with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) I guess the lack of immediacy, remoteness, sheer unheard of lunacy, and the light dusting of science lifted the moment. What a germaphobe might think once they knew is another matter. But you are painting a picture. She plants things. Maybe I subconsciously took this on board at the time. I must say I was far more interested in the Alex story when this occurred, so I didn't dwell on it at all, and it was a incidental gag, not a pivotal moment. It would be interesting to imagine reversing the genders and ponder on one's response. And its not just Leonard who keeps secrets. Amy plans. But, maybe its adorable? That's probably the case. It was certainly funny. Edited April 29, 2015 by Nogravitasatall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 It's funny because it is so unexpected and ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I had no problem with the Star Trek bit, because - long story short - how could one? The hidden pyjama thing (setting aside the fort issue) was probably a step too far for me that caused the discomfort. Premeditated, invasive of his space and a little deceptive. Anyhoo... Oh Man, the Star Trek thing had completely slipped my mind when I wrote that! Hee! Yes, the pyjamas thing was something that would have made me cackle around-when was the 'marking territory' episode to which surrey linked? Well, around then or before. As time went by and the 'Amy is horny and Sheldon is clueless' joke got hammered into the ground and out the other side, it became less and less funny. So I was torn between discomfort and a recognition that the Sheldon/Amy dynamic this past season has largely resettled into their Season 4/5 days, where they are both weird and can be offputting to other people, but not to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Oh, I think Sheldon would have been mortified if he had seen what Amy was doing in his office. That was in 6.3 The Higgs Boson Observation. Edited April 29, 2015 by djsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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