S8 Discussion Thread

[rachelshamyfan]

http://littlelumpofwool.tumblr.com/post/117710128358/amy-scene-in-next-episode

823 promo

[Carlos]

Did anybody see that photo 10 of 12 of the 8.23 promo pics says Sheldon and his mother while showing a photo of Jim Parsons and Christine Baranski?

[Mislav]

Hey Mislav. I have been watching since they first broadcast the show here in 2008. Somewhat obsessively too. So to be accurate, you could say "many" or perhaps "most people", but not "anyone". However... onwards!

I said "I think that anyone..." not simply "anyone" or "anyone must".

And again, finding a simple sleep over, between two consenting adults, off putting and creepy, in the TV show where one main character kept planting insects in his roommate's food due to an experiment, another one used a robot hand to masturbate and lost his virginity to his cousin, where two of the main characters started manipulating with their girlfriend into having sex with them by telling them sad stories from their childhood, which ended with one of them forcing her boyfriend to remember a traumatic sex related experience from his childhood as a punishment... seems way over the top for me, ridiculousness factly aside.

And saying "if you want to go camping, go camping"? Regarding Sheldon? Coming from somebody who had been watching these characters interact for years? And actually use it as a serious argument? My suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Mislav

[Martin Pollard]

My suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far.

 

I like saying, "Not even Elastigirl would attempt that stretch."

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Happy New Episode Day everyone! The next to last.

Been waiting for tonight episode to happen for a kong time

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[hokie3457]

Penultimate episode day!! Pretty quiet in these environs today. Looking forward to Beverly v Mary tonight.

Also happy birthday to Johnny & Kunal!

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[djsurrey]

I said "I think that anyone..." not simply "anyone" or "anyone must".

And again, finding a simple sleep over, between two consenting adults, off putting and creepy, in the TV show where one main character kept planting insects in his roommate's food due to an experiment, another one used a robot hand to masturbate and lost his virginity to his cousin, where two of the main characters started manipulating with their girlfriend into having sex with them by telling them sad stories from their childhood, which ended with one of them forcing her boyfriend to remember a traumatic sex related experience from his childhood as a punishment... seems way over the top for me, ridiculousness factly aside.

And saying "if you want to go camping, go camping"? Regarding Sheldon? Coming from somebody who had been watching these characters interact for years? And actually use it as a serious argument? My suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far.

 

Oh, I don't know. Sheldon just needs to let his hair grow an extra half inch and he becomes a hippie.

 

Edited April 30, 2015 by djsurrey

[djsurrey]

This thread does have a spoiler tag at the top, should I have not posted that?

That's fine. I just find that all to often the spirited debate before an episode airs results in a lot of "it was not as bad as I thought" after people actually see the televised version. I have been caught up in that before.

[EleQueen]

That's fine. I just find that all to often the spirited debate before an episode airs results in a lot of "it was not as bad as I thought" after people actually see the televised version. I have been caught up in that before.

Amen to that! 

[Nogravitasatall]

I said "I think that anyone..." not simply "anyone" or "anyone must".

And again, finding a simple sleep over, between two consenting adults, off putting and creepy, in the TV show where one main character kept planting insects in his roommate's food due to an experiment, another one used a robot hand to masturbate and lost his virginity to his cousin, where two of the main characters started manipulating with their girlfriend into having sex with them by telling them sad stories from their childhood, which ended with one of them forcing her boyfriend to remember a traumatic sex related experience from his childhood as a punishment... seems way over the top for me, ridiculousness factly aside.

And saying "if you want to go camping, go camping"? Regarding Sheldon? Coming from somebody who had been watching these characters interact for years? And actually use it as a serious argument? My suspension of disbelief doesn't go that far.

... serious argument? Mate, it's a TV show where one main character kept planting insects in his roommate's food due to an experiment, another one used a robot hand to masturbate and lost his virginity to his cousin, where two of the main characters started manipulating with their girlfriend into having sex with them by telling them sad stories from their childhood, which ended with one of them forcing her boyfriend to remember a traumatic sex related experience from his childhood as a punishment... How can you believe the arguments are serious?

Most everything is an expression of preference and interest. It's a fan site.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[Mislav]

... serious argument? Mate, it's a TV show where one main character kept planting insects in his roommate's food due to an experiment, another one used a robot hand to masturbate and lost his virginity to his cousin, where two of the main characters started manipulating with their girlfriend into having sex with them by telling them sad stories from their childhood, which ended with one of them forcing her boyfriend to remember a traumatic sex related experience from his childhood as a punishment... How can you believe the arguments are serious?

Most everything is an expression of preference and interest. It's a fan site.

No, I was saying that it seemed like you genuinely believed that the argument that I mentioned actually proves a point. And I honestly can't see that.

Only because it is a sitcom it doesn't mean that there are no rules, it doesn't mean that something can not be illogical, OOC, or not a good argument regarding a character's actions.

[Bella Duveen]

Slightly off topic (and I love the forthcoming Amy/Mary scene!), but to go back to the possibility of a Howardette S9 finale, I like the idea of it ending with Bernie looking at the test and us not knowing the result. The baby wouldn't have to be born until the end the show (final episodes stuff) and I would love to see Amy and Penny going to Antenatal classes with her - Amy would be over sharing her interesting gynaecological history with complete strangers in an attempt to bond with the group, to the extent that I can hear Bernie saying 'Hey! Who's pregnant here?' and Penny needing to throw up when they start going into details of the birth and stuff!

And it would be sweet if they had a little girl - called Debbie. Or even Carol.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Bella Duveen

[Kathy2611]

Slightly off topic (and I love the forthcoming Amy/Mary scene!), but to go back to the possibility of a Howardette S9 finale, I like the idea of it ending with Bernie looking at the test and us not knowing the result. The baby wouldn't have to be born until the end the show (final episodes stuff) and I would love to see Amy and Penny going to Antenatal classes with her - Amy would be over sharing her interesting gynaecological history with complete strangers in an attempt to bond with the group, to the extent that I can hear Bernie saying 'Hey! Who's pregnant here?' and Penny needing to throw up when they start going into details of the birth and stuff!

And it would be sweet if they had a little girl - called Debbie. Or even Carol.

Oh, I'd love it if they called the baby Carol (for Carol Ann Suzi) and they could say it's short for Caroline since Howard is a big Neil Diamond fan and they could say his favorite song is "Sweet Caroline."

She had roses handed to her by Dr. Lorvitz (Billy Bob Thorton). We won't know if they're fake or not.

[TheShamyShipper]

Oh, I'd love it if they called the baby Carol (for Carol Ann Suzi) and they could say it's short for Caroline since Howard is a big Neil Diamond fan and they could say his favorite song is "Sweet Caroline."

She had roses handed to her by Dr. Lorvitz (Billy Bob Thorton). We won't know if they're fake or not.

 

Actually, now that you said that about the roses, I was at that taping, and I'm almost 100% positive they were real.  They ended up giving them to a couple in the audience since they were there celebrating their anniversary.  They were seated behind us, and the flowers DID look real...

Edited April 30, 2015 by TheShamyShipper

[Bella Duveen]

Carol Ann Rostenkowski-Wolowitz...love the Neil Diamond reference with 'Sweet Caroline' too!

[Nogravitasatall]

No, I was saying that it seemed like you genuinely believed that the argument that I mentioned actually proves a point. And I honestly can't see that.

Only because it is a sitcom it doesn't mean that there are no rules, it doesn't mean that something can not be illogical, OOC, or not a good argument regarding a character's actions.

Ok, you are making me reflect... damn you. Lol.

I think a large part is that first impressions count. Sheldon emphatically had no deal. For three years. That's a real thing. Now he has one... of a very elusive nature. I don't want deny him the opportunity for love and eventually marital comforts. The rub is that he isn't actually falling over himself to get where Amy is determined to lead him. She has been assiduously fanning the very low burning embers of his well banked passion. I have trouble with aspects of his conversion and with his consent. I think too much about grooming verses seduction. When was "no" a "no"? Even though Sheldon keeps peeking over his fan and blinking "yes" with his eyes. And there is the fact that the Sheldon story overwhelmed the other story that I really enjoy. They had a story I liked, about people with interests I am totally congruent with, and then Sheldon ran away with it.

So, because of my prior investment, and that Sheldon himself has characteristics that I have often remarked upon that make him less than an ideal companion and because I have trouble buying the special subset of the premise that relates to his new sexual adventures, even though it may just be a gender reversal of Pretty Woman (that's meant as a joke, Mislav), and because my preferences makes me not want to invest in the effort discerning the symbolism of the colours of the tea mugs, I feel moved to whine about it. His story is not a satisfactory substitution for what I want to see, and of which I still get glimpses, but less than what I would think would be a fair proportion. And I really like the geek nature of the show. They are my peeps, except for my lack of advanced education and ability to do hard math. I have the t-shirts and the sci-fi paperbacks. I guess I'm just a selfish fan. Annoyed that they changed what really was exactly playing to my preferences and trying to rationally articulate what might be my ineffable irrationality.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[Chrismo]

Watching episode 6.2 repeat right now. It's making me think about the finale. The Raj/Emily storyline and Sheldon eventually telling Leonard about Penny's secret maybe?

[Mislav]

Ok, you are making me reflect... damn you. Lol.

I think a large part is that first impressions count. Sheldon emphatically had no deal. For three years. That's a real thing. Now he has one... of a very elusive nature. I don't want deny him the opportunity for love and eventually marital comforts. The rub is that he isn't actually falling over himself to get where Amy is determined to lead him. She has been assiduously fanning the very low burning embers of his well banked passion. I have trouble with aspects of his conversion and with his consent. I think too much about grooming verses seduction. When was "no" a "no"? Even though Sheldon keeps peeking over his fan and blinking "yes" with his eyes. And there is the fact that the Sheldon story overwhelmed the other story that I really enjoy. They had a story I liked, about people with interests I am totally congruent with, and then Sheldon ran away with it.

So, because of my prior investment, and that Sheldon himself has characteristics that I have often remarked upon that make him less than an ideal companion and because I have trouble buying the special subset of the premise that relates to his new sexual adventures, even though it may just be a gender reversal of Pretty Woman (that's meant as a joke, Mislav), and because my preferences makes me not want to invest in the effort discerning the symbolism of the colours of the tea mugs, I feel moved to whine about it. His story is not a satisfactory substitution for what I want to see, and of which I still get glimpses, but less than what I would think would be a fair proportion. And I really like the geek nature of the show. They are my peeps, except for my lack of advanced education and ability to do hard math. I have the t-shirts and the sci-fi paperbacks. I guess I'm just a selfish fan. Annoyed that they changed what really was exactly playing to my preferences and trying to rationally articulate what might be my ineffable irrationality.

Sheldon Amy had been together for over four years by now, officially dating for three. That's a good enough time to get used to change, especially a slow moving one (again, their relationship is slow moving). Sheldon himself admitted that it is possible that he will eventually have coitus with Amy. He obviously enjoyed kissing her. I find your reasons... for you to find the sleepover creepy and off putting... off. But if you are not satisfied with the way Sheldon had changed, that's fine. But you could have stated a real reason right away (if that is one-I could be wrong of course). Why haven't you? Afraid to whine about something thar had been going on for years? Thinking that complaining about a scene that you think can possibly be considered creepy even among people who like Sheldon and Amy's character development will add you more credibility?

The way you were doing it, it really looked like you found their relationship out of character at that particular moment (which is confusing), not because of a hatred of change.

[hokie3457]

I know everyone has the right to their opinion and the right to state it and put it forth here. Mislav, you and Nograv have been beating this issue for days now without much movement. Can we call this a stalemate and move on to other items? Sorry to interject, but this is really not going anywhere...

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[Mislav]

I know everyone has the right to their opinion and the right to state it and put it forth here. Mislav, you and Nograv have been beating this issue for days now without much movement. Can we call this a stalemate and move on to other items? Sorry to interject, but this is really not going anywhere...

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OK, I'm out. I think I'd proven my point... probably a long time ago, but still. Time to end it.

And remember, all of you: there is no reason to be afraid of a blanket fort

Edited May 1, 2015 by Mislav

[rachelshamyfan]

Would anyone be interested in a mass chat, before during and after the season final on Thursday?

Will be fun!

[Nogravitasatall]

Sheldon Amy had been together for over four years by now, officially dating for three. That's a good enough time to get used to change, especially a slow moving one (again, their relationship is slow moving). Sheldon himself admitted that it is possible that he will eventually have coitus with Amy. He obviously enjoyed kissing her. I find your reasons... for you to find the sleepover creepy and off putting... off. But if you are not satisfied with the way Sheldon had changed, that's fine. But you could have stated a real reason right away (if that is one-I could be wrong of course). Why haven't you? Afraid to whine about something thar had been going on for years? Thinking that complaining about a scene that you think can possibly be considered creepy even among people who like Sheldon and Amy's character development will add you more credibility?

The way you were doing it, it really looked like you found their relationship out of character at that particular moment (which is confusing), not because of a hatred of change.

Hi Mislav,

I'm expressing an opinion. I'm trying to articulate a sentiment. My inclinations are personal and not absolute. I have outlined a constellation of issues that collectively disaffect me. I tried to give you an omnibus response that would let you conclude that I am probably unreasonable on this topic. I'm not trying to win a court case.

However... you may think that Sheldon and Amy are a natural progression. Had they started from a different point I may have been less argumentative. But I am disinclined to be completely persuaded, now. I find cannot completely suspend my disbelief, after being so comprehensively convinced of the extraordinary character of Sheldon as delivered in the first three years of the show. And I repeat, there are characteristics that Sheldon possesses that deter me and make me unsympathetic. That may be irrational but there it is. I will presume that you find the story compelling. That's fine, for you. Starting out from these two different positions means we may never reconcile.

Once more, the cross over of the child like play and adult intent unsettles me. It's not where the show wants to go, but they did once make that connection in The Frienship Algorithm, where Sheldon befriends a child and innocently suggest a trip to the zoo. It was funny and Sheldon was truly benign but the source of the humour has a dark root. In this case they did a similar same thing, in a more knowing way. The difference was that Sheldon was being child like and Amy had genuine adult motives. A sleepover is which is one more step along the way to them having a more completely adult and physical relationship. The stealthy secreting of her pyjamas under his spot might be in character, but it's still funny because it is twisted. Amy has been planning for an opportunity to arise. She was ready, determined and undeterred by Shekdon's reluctance in the past. She has felt that they are inevitably going to get it on. It is entirely in character for her to do this.

Now, this is a comedy, where exaggeration is the norm and only a nod to reality is required. Really, this is a minor punchline in a longer story. Only in the hothouse of this forum would I make such a detailed (and likely biased) analysis. It was funny. When I watched it I laughed, but it did register with me as an inappropriate act and left an impression. It's the further debate, and defensiveness of the forum members of their favourites, that inflates these things to significance.

Another example of a minor punchline that lead to some vigorous discussion was when Sheldon tapped into his "good ol' boy" roots and smacked Amy on the backside in Howard's lounge room. That energised a number of posters. This is sort of the same, but only you and I have bothered to discuss it.

At this point I suggest we disengage on this topic. I don't wish to be discourteous but we are in some senses spiralling the drain. Let's move on. I certainly am ready for that.

Cheers

Nog

Finally... It's over. Phew.

Edited May 2, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[Nogravitasatall]

Would anyone be interested in a mass chat, before during and after the season final on Thursday?

Will be fun!

Excellent idea Rachel. I'd have to miss work, so maybe you can proceed without me. Unless...

[rachelshamyfan]

I've already booked the day off! Can't go to work on zero hours sleep!

[djsurrey]

Why? We already know what's going to happen and people will be talking about it all summer.