S8 Discussion Thread

[Stephen Hawking]

Actually no it wasn't Leonard found out about priyas infidelity after he stopped himself at Alice's apartment.

 

Correct.

 

At the time he made out with Alice, he didn't know Priya had cheated on him.

[Tensor]

Correct.

 

At the time he made out with Alice, he didn't know Priya had cheated on him.

But she was planning on returning to India and hadn't told him. Not saying that excuses what he did, but nograv did specify stand-alone.

[Nogravitasatall]

Correct.

At the time he made out with Alice, he didn't know Priya had cheated on him.

But she had bailed back to India under shady circumstance, that enabled his subsequent bad act - I want to go back to primary incidents. Did Leonard ever spontaneously cause harm?

[Stephen Hawking]

But she had bailed back to India under shady circumstance,

 

They were still in a relationship.

 

They were having Skype dates and sex.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Stephen Hawking

[Tensor]

They were still in a relationship.

 

They were having Skype dates and sex.

Still doesn't fit the definition of stand-alone.

[Nogravitasatall]

They were still in a relationship.

They were having Skype dates and sex.

Yup. And Nope. They weren't. It was a long distance serial booty call. But lets not digress. Edited May 17, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[djsurrey]

But she had bailed back to India under shady circumstance, that enabled his subsequent bad act - I want to go back to primary incidents. Did Leonard ever spontaneously cause harm?

 

Spontaneously? Supposedly in 8.24 the kissing was not initiated by Leonard. If he did not stop it immediately it was still not spontaneous on his part.

 

With Alice he agonized over what he should do before going to her place. On the boat we don't know what happened.

[Mislav]

Spontaneously? Supposedly in 8.24 the kissing was not initiated by Leonard. If he did not stop it immediately it was still not spontaneous on his part.

With Alice he agonized over what he should do before going to her place. On the boat we don't know what happened.

True, we don't know anything for sure yet.

Which makes me wonder: why are almost everyone assuming that Leonard must have initiated the kiss and that there were likely a few make out sessions? I know that it is a logical possibility to consider, but it baffles me that this is a prevailing opinion. Maybe because of the whole Alice thing earlier in the series?

[djsurrey]

Well I don't know and the next episode has not even been written. I might speculate more happened than he admitted because if that was all it was there was no point in bringing it up two years later. The confession could be just the tip of an iceberg or it could be it will be forgotten by 9.2.

[ATOB]

Bet you're glad you didn't bother with the popcorn because....

I think I smell people turning into butter at the base of this tree...

....yet no-one "grew a vagina". Although, unsurprisingly, I was experiencing symptoms of localised burning in the otological area.

Perhaps someone sounded the horn of Gondor?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EF2LZvzvpEA

Edited May 17, 2015 by ATOB

[Tensor]

True, we don't know anything for sure yet.

Which makes me wonder: why are almost everyone assuming that Leonard must have initiated the kiss and that there were likely a few make out sessions? I know that it is a logical possibility to consider, but it baffles me that this is a prevailing opinion. Maybe because of the whole Alice thing earlier in the series?

While I don't believe there were a few make out sessions, his comment and tone in which it was spoken(he said "there was kissing". If it was a drunken kiss initiated by her, he would have said "she kissed me once".)indicated to me that the session went on a longer than her drunkenly throwing herself at him, and his putting an immediate stop to it. In that case it really doesn't matter who started it, at that point, they were both willing participants.

[Martin Pollard]

While I don't believe there were a few make out sessions, his comment and tone in which it was spoken(he said "there was kissing". If it was a drunken kiss initiated by her, he would have said "she kissed me once".)indicated to me that the session went on a longer than her drunkenly throwing herself at him, and his putting an immediate stop to it. In that case it really doesn't matter who started it, at that point, they were both willing participants.

 

Were they? And was it?

 

The way it was written, it could be interpreted in many different ways. We have absolutely no information to go on other than those three words. Everyone is assuming anything and everything based on that, depending on their feelings and biases. A lot of supposition based on "tone" and whether something was "out of character," but almost no absolute, factual information whatsoever. (In fact, from what I can see, it's the people here who have hated S8 the most are the ones that are assuming the absolute worst of Leonard.)

 

We have three words. Three words. We don't know exactly what happened. We probably won't know for certain until S9.

 

I wish people would start using their heads about this. People who are otherwise sane and rational are going batcrap crazy over a few words and a LOT of supposition. It really, seriously makes me wonder just how much of a fan of the show these people are, if they're getting so totally unglued (to the point of threatening to never watch it again) over three words and some "tone."

[rachelshamyfan]

If Penny wanted to find out more then I guess she could ask him but then it might lead to things she doesn't really want to hear

I won't go into specifics but I guess you know what I mean

[Tensor]

Were they?

Possibly, possibly not.

 

And was it?

Possibly, possibly not.

 

The way it was written, it could be interpreted in many different ways.

Of course, I just gave my way. Others can state their opinion.

 

We have absolutely no information to go on other than those three words. Everyone is assuming anything and everything based on that, depending on their feelings and biases.

You're right, we don't. But, I don't see anything wrong with that. Arguing about it seems silly, as, because what you pointed out, it depends on their feelings and biases. But if someone want to state what they believe that's fine, I'll not tell them it's not possible.

 

A lot of supposition based on "tone" and whether something was "out of character," but almost no absolute, factual information whatsoever. (In fact, from what I can see, it's the people here who have hated S8 the most are the ones that are assuming the absolute worst of Leonard.)

Well, we have some information. We know he didn't say, "She kissed me one and I stopped it", he said "...their was kissing, and I stopped it." We know he stopped it. But by saying "there was kissing" and not, "she kissed me once" it gives the impression there was some extended kissing. If the writers wanted to convey that there was just one kiss, and she initiated it, they would have said so. I know, I'm supposed to read between the lines, but I honestly don't see any between the lines on this.

 

We have three words. Three words. We don't know exactly what happened. We probably won't know for certain until S9.

If it's like many of the recent season ending cliffhangers, I'm betting we'll never know and they'll basically ignore it.

 

I wish people would start using their heads about this. People who are otherwise sane and rational are going batcrap crazy over a few words and a LOT of supposition. It really, seriously makes me wonder just how much of a fan of the show these people are, if they're getting so totally unglued (to the point of threatening to never watch it again) over three words and some "tone."

But supposition can be fun. I have no intention to quit watching the show. If it turns out she did force herself on her, then fine, not to mention the writers can retcon anything they want. For all we know, the writers could write this as a dream (either Leonard or Penny). But I don't read it that way right now, you could, I'm quite sure come up with something else.

[Guest]

I saw a bus today with a promo picture of the bbt with the whole cast it had Sheldon front and center. When I got home I looked up the promo pictures and in these he was in the back row I guess it is the Sheldon show now

Edited May 17, 2015 by old sailor

[djsurrey]

...

 

Well, we have some information. We know he didn't say, "She kissed me one and I stopped it", he said "...their was kissing, and I stopped it." We know he stopped it. But by saying "there was kissing" and not, "she kissed me once" it gives the impression there was some extended kissing. If the writers wanted to convey that there was just one kiss, and she initiated it, they would have said so. I know, I'm supposed to read between the lines, but I honestly don't see any between the lines on this.

 

If it's like many of the recent season ending cliffhangers, I'm betting we'll never know and they'll basically ignore it.

 

But supposition can be fun. I have no intention to quit watching the show. If it turns out she did force herself on her, then fine, not to mention the writers can retcon anything they want. For all we know, the writers could write this as a dream (either Leonard or Penny). But I don't read it that way right now, you could, I'm quite sure come up with something else.

 

Actually we don't even know if his three words were truthful. Why lie in a confession? People do because coming clean is not easy.

Leonard has lied to Penny and to other girlfriends before on a number of occasions.

 

If we never find out because it is dropped I will assume the simplest explanation which to me is it was a non event that Leonard has blown out of proportion because time has dulled his memory and he tends to be obsessively self critical and guilt-ridden. Perhaps all that really happened was that some girl pecked his cheek. Perhaps he only daydreamed about kissing the girl but because of too much drink and time and obsessive reliving he has created a false memory.

[Guest]

Seems to me that the writers have to fix the Lenny enough that Leonard can move in with Penny so that they can concentrate on getting shamy engaged and either married or living together

[Carlos]

It always seems strange to me that the writers may want to get Lenny and Shamy to the same point by the end of the series, since their relationships have never been a mirror to each other, nor have they progressed at the same speed. If the show were to run for 10 seasons, I would expect Lenny to be married before series' end and as I've mentioned before, leaving the Los Robles building in the last episode to move into their own house while Penny announces to the gang that she's pregnant. All the while Leonard and Sheldon recreating (with a twist) the scene from the pilot: Leonard: "Our babies will be smart and beautiful"  Sheldon: "Not to mention real. Hhhhmm....interesting"

 

I, would , however not expect Shamy to be married. Engaged yes, and also having experienced coitus a couple of episodes before, and it being the great new thing for Sheldon, and him wanting to do it any time he can.

[Guest]

I've been reading some of the shamy threads and they seem to think the 200th espisode would shamy getting engaged and the wedding at the end of the season. I'm starting to agree with them after this season. Lenny seems to be a afterthought to the writers

[Tensor]

Actually we don't even know if his three words were truthful. Why lie in a confession? People do because coming clean is not easy.

Leonard has lied to Penny and to other girlfriends before on a number of occasions.

Interesting point. I can't quite believe that he would lie about that, but it does make for interesting speculation.

[Nogravitasatall]

Interesting point. I can't quite believe that he would lie about that, but it does make for interesting speculation.

I believe he could inflate his recollection. He must feel pretty guilty to bring it up and that might exaggerate his perceived level of culpability. He could very well have overestimated his attractiveness and her (smoker girl) intensity of beer-goggled-ness. Not saying he is not attractive btw. Or that women aren't allowed to put on beer goggles.

[Tonstar17]

I've been reading some of the shamy threads and they seem to think the 200th espisode would shamy getting engaged and the wedding at the end of the season. I'm starting to agree with them after this season. Lenny seems to be a afterthought to the writers

I don't think that will happen Amy is not one of the main characters as much as the Shamy want to believe she is. If the writers do leave the marriage to the end of the series it will be Lenny. As for the 200th episode, who knows what will happen? The writers are good at surprising us.

[kelliluvtbbt]

just dropping my two cents here since we are on the topic of marriage.

 

Shamy will be married before ...much before... the end of the series ( because Amy was brought on to better/change Sheldon therefore the end result will be shown earlier) .Of course... maybe they stay engaged forever as well...who knows!

Lenny was set up on day one... and will end with them on the last day. There is also a possibilty of them never getting married as well. I've seen it happen before. 

They are still going to 'mess' with Lenny to get us to watch to the very end. 

Personally, I don't want to see another 'Friends' ending. I hope they come up with something more original than that. 

[Tonstar17]

just dropping my two cents here since we are on the topic of marriage.

Shamy will be married before ...much before... the end of the series ( because Amy was brought on to better/change Sheldon therefore the end result will be shown earlier) .Of course... maybe they stay engaged forever as well...who knows!

Lenny was set up on day one... and will end with them on the last day. There is also a possibilty of them never getting married as well. I've seen it happen before.

They are still going to 'mess' with Lenny to get us to watch to the very end.

Personally, I don't want to see another 'Friends' ending. I hope they come up with something more original than that.

OK i got the wrong end of the stick here. I thought old sailor meant end of the series but after another look it was end of S9 I think. The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if Shamy get married before Lenny. And they better not do a Ross and Rachel because lenny are so not like them. Edited May 18, 2015 by Tonstar17

[Chrismo]

Ross and Rachel would of been married earlier if the show had ended after the first few seasons. That was the original plan supposedly. IMO viewership would nose dive if Shamy got married before Lenny. I think Lenny fans would stop watching if that happened.