S8 Discussion Thread

[Martin Pollard]

Sheldon should actually have a conversation with Bernadette, or Howard or even Leonard about Amy's state of mind. They've all seen the growing uncertainty with Amy's perception of where she stands with Sheldon. Penny is too close to Sheldon now, and not so much with Amy so talking to Penny won't do it this time. All this to say, he needs help to understand the full context of how she feels cause he's not getting there fast enough on his own.

 

See, this is the part I don't get. Penny is too close to Sheldon so she shouldn't be the one to talk to Sheldon about Amy? Funny, because as I recall, just about every single advance in their relationship has somehow involved Penny. To say now that she's precisely the wrong person to talk to Sheldon about Amy makes no sense whatsoever. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind it, because right now it doesn't sound like any sort of logic that exists on this planet.

[Chiany]

The entire gang (except Sheldon) was there during the Xmas episode where Amy told about her doubts about Sheldon's feelings for her.

 

But the only ones who have helped her deal with that are Leonard (with the screensaver and later on during anything can happen thursday, when Amy told him she's jealous somethings of Penny's relationship with Sheldon).

Raj & Howard (even when joking) where there for her during the whole Bert thing.

 

Penny on the other hand acted bored/indifferent in the final when she was really sad/miserable, while Leonard took the punches, as he knew Amy needed that.

[Chaliceinnana]

Martin, Penny's done good work in the past, but it's time to bring in fresh talent. Sheldon knows what Penny thinks. Bernadette would bring a fresh spin and some anger to the issue that might throw things into high gear.

 

Penny also managed to send Sheldon over Amy's apartment to break up with her over a table.... maybe she's not doing so great this year.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Chaliceinnana

[CaffeineBuzz]

Precisely my point. I'm not saying Penny hasn't had her influence in moving things along, cause everyone agrees that she has. She's probably even one of their biggest champions. But i think the limit of her possible positive influence has been reached. She's not really in tune with Amy like she used to be... That was demonstrated in her behaviour throughout the finale and also hammered home by the writers in that Penny has been put closer to Sheldon all season while Amy has been put closer to all the others during the season. We've actually had almost no heart to heart moments between Amy and Penny this past season whereas we've had plenty of those moments between Amy and nearly all the others. Thats why I'm sorry but Penny is no longer the one Sheldon should turn to if he wants a clue as to whats going on with Amy.

[rachelshamyfan]

Yeah I'm hoping we see less of Sheldon and Penny together this season, way too much of it in s7

[Chaliceinnana]

Unless Penny is going to have Sheldon as a bridesmaid, she's going to have to start paying some attention to the ladies this year. Because Sheldon could give a rat's ass about her wedding planning crap.

 

This summer my hope is that Lenny have the Summer of Love! The best Summer EVER! They get no work done, they just bliss out in a Sheldon-free apartment and then four month have past and they haven't seen anyone socially the whole time... whoops! But it was great! And they regret nothing!

 

Totally forgivable.

 

But my hope is that Emily's going to be kind of awesome and Penny's going to have try to squeeze back into the girl group and finds she hasn't been missed that much.

[Cecilia]

Here's the thing with Sheldon: I honestly don't think he's aware that his behavior and words (or lack of words/actions) hurts Amy. He might be aware that she's frequently frustrated or annoyed with him, but I don't think he makes the link that his behaviour is hurtful. That doesn't excuse it, but I think his character has been shown from day one to be someone who just isn't wired to pick up on those cues. He needs it spelled out for him. Look at any time someone is brutally honest with him: he always acts surprised but then takes almost immediate action to rectify the situation. And Amy knows this about him. Which is why as much as I would love to blame Sheldon for her being unhappy, Amy shares at least 50% of the responsability here. That woman needs to lay it all out for him, no matter how uncomfortable that is. That's the only way this relationship gets fixed and moves forward. Only once he's been made bluntly aware of exactly how she feels does Sheldon stand a chance in hell of fixing things.

Sorry, a bit off topic I know but I've been rewatching alot of the older episodes and it got me thinking / re-analysing their dynamic.

I totally agree with you at. Sheldon always was a bit clueless and hardly even intented on hurting anyone. That's why episodes like Itchy Brain aren't exactly my favourite. Amy has her share of blame and I think it includes her putting up with nearly everything, putting Sheldon on a pedestal and thinking that he will some day transform to a romantic prince. I understand why she feels like that but I think that deep down that's not what she truly wants. So this would be a wonderful moment for her to figure out what she really wants and needs from her relationship with Sheldon. His departure can be a pretty big shock to help her understand that she needs to be more self confident. If she still doesn't realize that she lost some of her sass then I don't know when she will. But I by no means put all the blame on Sheldon or Amy. It is hard for them to handle a romantic relationship so it feels natural for them to have some problems. I just hope that season 8 will make them more self confident and able to be themselves while they are a part of this relationship.

eta: I totally agree with Chalice at the Lenny front. I want them to have a crazy summer, laying at the beach drinking fancy cocktails. It will be fun to see them interact with Sheldon after that

Edited June 29, 2014 by Cecilia

[Anita Rez]

I totally agree with you at. Sheldon always was a bit clueless and hardly even intented on hurting anyone. That's why episodes like Itchy Brain aren't exactly my favourite. Amy has her share of blame and I think it includes her putting up with nearly everything, putting Sheldon on a pedestal and thinking that he will some day transform to a romantic prince. I understand why she feels like that but I think that deep down that's not what she truly wants. So this would be a wonderful moment for her to figure out what she really wants and needs from her relationship with Sheldon. His departure can be a pretty big shock to help her understand that she needs to be more self confident. If she still doesn't realize that she lost some of her sass then I don't know when she will. But I by no means put all the blame on Sheldon or Amy. It is hard for them to handle a romantic relationship so it feels natural for them to have some problems. I just hope that season 8 will make them more self confident and able to be themselves while they are a part of this relationship.

eta: I totally agree with Chalice at the Lenny front. I want them to have a crazy summer, laying at the beach drinking fancy cocktails. It will be fun to see them interact with Sheldon after that

I liked Sheldon's explanation about how uncomfortable unresolved issues are for him.

 

What you said about Amy makes perfect sense - she loves the idea of romance but there's no way he'll ever turn into a hopeless romantic.  It's just not his personality and it never will be.

 

I'd highlight the rest of your paragraph to show I agree with you but it's just easier to say it, lol.

[Cecilia]

I liked Sheldon's explanation about how uncomfortable unresolved issues are for him.

What you said about Amy makes perfect sense - she loves the idea of romance but there's no way he'll ever turn into a hopeless romantic. It's just not his personality and it never will be.

I'd highlight the rest of your paragraph to show I agree with you but it's just easier to say it, lol.

I was so excited when I realized that Sheldon finally found a way to communicate his discomfort when he has to deal with things like a forgotten DVD. I thought it would be a bonding experience between Shelnard and it turned out as a mean prank.

Thank you Anita!

[Anita Rez]

I was so excited when I realized that Sheldon finally found a way to communicate his discomfort when he has to deal with things like a forgotten DVD. I thought it would be a bonding experience between Shelnard and it turned out as a mean prank.

Thank you Anita!

You're welcome.  

 

It helps that I have a son with a lot of the same issues.  I still have to sit in the car until whatever song is playing on the radio or CD is done.  No matter how many times he's heard it before, lol.

 

He's also had an aversion to kissing since he was 2 but just recently started asking to kiss us goodnight and he's 10.

[Nogravitasatall]

Yeah I'm hoping we see less of Sheldon and Penny together this season, way too much of it in s7

I think the S7 ending was a big signpost for that, but who knows. Considering what Anita has said, and thinking of Sheldon as real boy, no wonder Leonard has such a very strong attachment to him. He represents all the kittens Leonard probably was never allowed to have and Leonard feels responsible for him. So the triangle might pivot back to Leonard/Sheldon against Penny/Leonard. Not sure if they will add another angle in S8. Amy may still be on the outside.

(But Sheldon has to be just Sheldon and be choosing and not compelled to be this way, otherwise where is the fun?)

[3ku11]

Some people really are really sensitive when it comes to Amy. The show does not orbit around Amy's need's just saying. She is not the only character on the show who has problems, or need's support what about Penny her life is at a bigger crossroads and crisis, if she seems uniterested in Amy's problems, prob because she is preoccupied with her own life. I actually think S7 showed more and more Penny is over conversing with Sheldon and just generally dealing with him for the sake of Leonard, really outgrowing Sheldon ala the S7 Finalie. I hope Lenny start to do more things as a couple in S8, and Sheldon stops being a third party or a wheel.  

[Chaliceinnana]

Some people really are really sensitive when it comes to Amy. The show does not orbit around Amy's need's just saying. She is not the only character on the show who has problems, or need's support what about Penny her life is at a bigger crossroads and crisis, if she seems uniterested in Amy's problems, prob because she is preoccupied with her own life. I actually think S7 showed more and more Penny is over conversing with Sheldon and just generally dealing with him for the sake of Leonard, really outgrowing Sheldon ala the S7 Finalie. I hope Lenny start to do more things as a couple in S8, and Sheldon stops being a third party or a wheel.

stop being so sensitive. We are just saying Amy needs a better friend then Penny. Edited June 30, 2014 by Chaliceinnana

[Chiany]

stop being so sensitive. We are just saying Amy needs a better friend then Penny.

Penny is no longer a friend of Amy at all. If you see a friend who is hurting, wether it be physically or emotionally, you support that friend.

You don't just ignore her and keep staring at a ring.

starts humming Material Girl

Edited June 30, 2014 by Chiany

[Itwasdestined]

Sensitivity can work both ways. I think declaring Penny is no longer a friend to Amy at all is a bit of a stretch based on a two second look at her hand while Amy is wailing on Leonard. Don't get me wrong, I think they have set Bernie up as a closer friend for Amy than her old bestie for Seqson 8 with Penny focussing more on her life with Leonard but considering Penny's fan girling with the psychic and her phone warning to Amy in Table, both happening only a few episodes before the finale, saying she is no longer her friend could also be considered being too sensitive about Penny's actions in the final episode. But opinions are opinions.

[Tensor]

Penny is no longer a friend of Amy at all. If you see a friend who is hurting, wether it be physically or emotionally, you support that friend.

You don't just ignore her and keep staring at a ring.

starts humming Material Girl

Yeah because when Penny needed a friend when she hit a low point having her scene cut and quoting the Cheesecake factory, Amy rushed right over to help her, right?

Can you tell us what exactly was Penny supposed to do while Amy was causing physical hurt to Leoanrd? Not to mention, why even have Amy over if she didn't care? Amy certainly didn't need to be there to get a call from Sheldon, did she?

[3ku11]

Oh okay if it's based on that logic, then why isin't Amy or Bernadette supporting Penny. Not sure why Amy needs support, she is an emotionally, and physically equipped women. Her career is at its peak, she should have no issues, other then a flaky boyfriend. Bernadette and Amy since S6 have more and more, starting to at least be very short with Penny, their comments and one liners have been very blunt, no longer funny. Considering Penny's career crisis, I have not seen support from Amy and Bernadette, other then Leonard no one has supported her. I am not saying as a friend Penny should'nt support Amy, but it's a two way street just saying.

Edited June 30, 2014 by 3ku11

[Chiany]

Sensitivity can work both ways. I think declaring Penny is no longer a friend to Amy at all is a bit of a stretch based on a two second look at her hand while Amy is wailing on Leonard. Don't get me wrong, I think they have set Bernie up as a closer friend for Amy than her old bestie for Seqson 8 with Penny focussing more on her life with Leonard but considering Penny's fan girling with the psychic and her phone warning to Amy in Table, both happening only a few episodes before the finale, saying she is no longer her friend could also be considered being too sensitive about Penny's actions in the final episode. But opinions are opinions.

 

It was Leonard's suggestion to call her during the table episode, not Penny's.

At the Psychic she just rehashed the Psychic's words, to make it more clearly to Sheldon.

 

Yeah because when Penny needed a friend when she hit a low point having her scene cut and quoting the Cheesecake factory, Amy rushed right over to help her, right?Can you tell us what exactly was Penny supposed to do while Amy was causing physical hurt to Leoanrd? Not to mention, why even have Amy over if she didn't care? Amy certainly didn't need to be there to get a call from Sheldon, did she?

In those moments, Leonard was there (as was the rest of the gang, at least during the NCIS scene) so Amy was looking to Leonard what to do.

Since you asked, Penny could have for example hugged Amy, trying to comfort her.

And Penny wasn't the only one, Leonard was there, being a far better friend to Amy. Not only then, but during plenty of moments during s7.

[3ku11]

Look it all depends on how the writers paint scenes. Just because Penny didn't hug Amy does not mean she is being a bad friend. Just like how Amy wasen't their when she had a career crisis when cut from NCIS. Writers isolate certain characters from scenes for impact. My point is support needs to be two way, acting like its just Penny who is the bad friend is not quite accurate, when quite honestly Amy has more reason to be more supportive then Penny does.  

Edited June 30, 2014 by 3ku11

[Tensor]

In those moments, Leonard was there (as was the rest of the gang, at least during the NCIS scene) so Amy was looking to Leonard what to do.

Leonard was there, allowing Amy to take out her frustration on him. Penny was looking to Leonard as to what to do. How is that any different?

 

Since you asked, Penny could have for example hugged Amy, trying to comfort her.

You mean like Amy could have found some time to come over to hug Penny, like she did when Priya showed up?

 

And Penny wasn't the only one, Leonard was there, being a far better friend to Amy.

This I have to hear. How exactly was Leonard being a far better friend? Here's the dialogue:

Leonard: Is he OK?

Amy:It actually sounds as if he's doing pretty well.

Penny: We really think that this is going to be for the best.

Leonard: Me too. And, he was able to take a sabbatical…

Amy: How could you let him go….

Other than letting Amy beat on him, what part of that shows Leonard to be a far better friend?

 

Not only then, but during plenty of moments during s7.

Like when Amy was such a good friend to Penny, you know, the episode where Amy didn't want to be Penny's partner for the scavenger hunt? Or, when Bernadette AND AMY lied to Penny about how tired they were of her complaining about the work on Serial Ape-ist. You know, all that comfort Amy provided when Penny was hurting emotional.

If you wish, I could point out quite a few places where Penny supported Amy(3ku11 already has. BTW: While Leonard said we should call her, Penny is actually the one that did call her and phrased it so she understood. If Penny didn't care, why did she even bother to call her? And rehashing the words to make it more clear? Mostly, she was repeating the words back to the psychic, not Sheldon). Can you point out some of those "non support moments"?

[Nogravitasatall]

It was Leonard's suggestion to call her during the table episode, not Penny's.

At the Psychic she just rehashed the Psychic's words, to make it more clearly to Sheldon.

In those moments, Leonard was there (as was the rest of the gang, at least during the NCIS scene) so Amy was looking to Leonard what to do.

Since you asked, Penny could have for example hugged Amy, trying to comfort her.

And Penny wasn't the only one, Leonard was there, being a far better friend to Amy. Not only then, but during plenty of moments during s7.

Amy was too busy whacking Leonard to be hugged and she is lucky she didn't get hogtied . But it makes sense to me that Penny was withdrawn. We know she is not sentimental. She ate her pet pig, for goodness sake.

Leonard is the emotional one. And Penny always acts like a guy anyway. She's not the fluttering girl type. I just think they are breaking another stereotype. Also, what does Amy expect - Sheldon is special and not controllable by Penny.

And does it matter? Penny is on Leonard's side and Amy is the girlfriend of her boyfriend's roommate. I think the girlmance was always a bit asymmetric anyway. Degrees of separation I'd think.

[rachelshamyfan]

Tensor

Amy did comfort penny when priya showed up, fair enough that she only made her cry to get a monkey experiment going but penny needed to cry it seems if she was that distressed over priya and in any case penny finished with Leonard because of the love thing so she cant have it all

[Nogravitasatall]

Tensor

Amy did comfort penny when priya showed up, fair enough that she only made her cry to get a monkey experiment going but penny needed to cry it seems if she was that distressed over priya and in any case penny finished with Leonard because of the love thing so she cant have it all

sorry Rachel, but Penny has no say in the outcome for Amy. Its not like there is a quota of affection on the in the world and Penny has got more than her share. It's between Sheldon, a grown man and Amy, a grown woman. No one else can do anything.

unless i misunderstand your last sentence about "can't have it all"

[Itwasdestined]

It was Leonard's suggestion to call her during the table episode, not Penny's.

At the Psychic she just rehashed the Psychic's words, to make it more clearly to

Selective bias coming through there. Penny already had the phone out of her pocket ready to call Amy before Leonard opened his mouth.

And obviously she had it all pre organised and prescripted with the psychic so she could just rehash the words. Seriously, Penny's been pushing the Shamy relationship for years.

Anyway, this is a recycled argument that has been going on since the taping report of the finale and no one is ever going to change their minds on it so let's move on. We really need Season 8 to come as soon as it can because most of these S8 threads start up with a few interesting suggestions but then end up being battle grounds for opposition forces who are pushing their personal dislikes for certain characters or couples . On current trends Season 8 sounds like no one's going to be talking to anyone on the show. Penny's going to kill Sheldon, Lenny are going to destroy Amy's life by luring her into 4B then kicking her out on the street when they take the apartment back to escape Sheldon, Leonard is a terrible person who is forcing Sheldon to move out, Amy and Sheldon are breaking up, Amy and Penny aren't going to be speaking to each other anymore, forcing Bernadette to choose sides, which ultimately will cause tension with Howard because he won't be able to visit his friends and Raj and Emily won't last. It's going to be such a happy show next season

Can we get off Season 7 issues and get back to a S8 discussion thread. ( I know I'm relatively new here and wasn't around during the time between seasons 6 and 7. Was it this combative then?)

[Tensor]

Tensor

Amy did comfort penny when priya showed up, fair enough that she only made her cry to get a monkey experiment going but penny needed to cry it seems if she was that distressed over priya and in any case penny finished with Leonard because of the love thing so she cant have it all

You misunderstood Rachel, reread my sentence again. I didn't even bring up the ulterior motive Amy had.