Chrismo Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Yes, you're quite right. But does that make it morally acceptable to receive a vulnerable customer 'becsuse other people do it all the time'?If this had been something Sheldon had done this discussion wouldn't be going on. Maybe we can use the excuse that she doesn't know any better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 I don't think it's particularly fair, honest or decent to mislead a clearly vunerable customer into thinking that you are interested in them simply for the perpose of selling a pharmaceutical product to them. I think it shows what a shallow and sometimes unreasonable character Penny can be. Penny is not an actress anymore, and so she does not need to 'act out a part'. She just needs to sell a product. Clearly the reason why Penny is so successful at her job is because she uses dirty tricks to sell her products. [snip] The only reason I think people enjoyed this episode is because of Billy Bob Thornton. I kind of think people "act a part" when they start a new career for which they don't have experience. There may even be a theatrical element to sales. This episode had some great props so it was not just Billy BT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPhD Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 It's pretty obvious one reason Penny couldn't make it as an actress was she wouldn't have sex with film and TV execs to get parts. So if there's any character consistency she's not going to cross any lines to make sales. It's not her fault Dr L thought she liked him - he also thought Amy liked him - so was Amy misleading a vulnerable guy? It now occurs to me - how the hell did Dr L get Penny's home address? She's street-smart enough to make sure that doesn't happen. And Amy had absolutely no business letting him into the building without contacting Penny first. Not all strange guys who get the wrong impression that a woman likes them are as harmless as Dr L. And Leonard should have questioned him about how he got the address and got in - he was concerned Penny had an admirer but not that he might be dangerous. Or are there no dangerous men in BBT-world? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxdoug Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 It's pretty obvious one reason Penny couldn't make it as an actress was she wouldn't have sex with film and TV execs to get parts. So if there's any character consistency she's not going to cross any lines to make sales. It's not her fault Dr L thought she liked him - he also thought Amy liked him - so was Amy misleading a vulnerable guy? It now occurs to me - how the hell did Dr L get Penny's home address? She's street-smart enough to make sure that doesn't happen. And Amy had absolutely no business letting him into the building without contacting Penny first. Not all strange guys who get the wrong impression that a woman likes them are as harmless as Dr L. And Leonard should have questioned him about how he got the address and got in - he was concerned Penny had an admirer but not that he might be dangerous. Or are there no dangerous men in BBT-world? Agree with the first part. As to the rest, I just don't think they'd go there considering the nature of the show as a fairly light-hearted sitcom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 It now occurs to me - how the hell did Dr L get Penny's home address? Wouldn't hurt to watch the episode again, huh? He said "I was hoping to impress her by tracking her down on the internet..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallin Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Yeah.. in that spirit it wouldn't hurt to look at Amy which didn't know him at all when he walk in... it's not like he said " hey girl, I'm creep stalking Penny Jslehlkej from 4B, can you hold the door for me ?" Edited December 5, 2014 by tallin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Would Penny have known Dr. L was a "vulnerable guy"? He was simply a customer like any other. What he latched onto was that she touched his arm "for 5 Mississippis". She didn't go out on a date with him or anything. He was turning to any woman he thought was pretty, available or not. I don't think that's Penny's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPhD Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Silly me - I was conflating Dr Lorvis's 2 entries to the building. Sheldon was to blame. Another strike against Leonard as Sheldon's keeper (or maybe co-keeper with Amy?), Leonard wasn't there when S let Dr L in, but he should have explained something to S about building security. Is it really possible to find someone's private address on the internet in California? Is the electoral register online, or what? Surely Penny wouldn't have put her home address up when she was an actress? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxdoug Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 You wouldn't think so, but then this isn't The Real WorldTM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy2611 Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Yes it is possible to find any regular persons address in America (if the first and last name is known) and yes, at this stage in her life, Penny would still be considered a "regular" person. Yes, she was an actress but not really a KNOWN or famous actress. As for the building security, Sheldon thought he was a delivery person to begin with and second, I don't think the buildings front door is always locked. They've shown numerous people going in and out of it without needing a key or someone from the inside to unlock it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 This is called majoring in the minors, or, how to find crap to complain about and people to blame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjoe Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 terrible episode not worthy of this show. if it was me I would have broken off my engagement to penny. what she did was almost the same as being unfaithfull to Lenard. I guess the writers are going all out to show us that penny is truly a slut. she asked Lenard to marry her, then she goes out of her way to seduce or at least tease her customers at Lenard expense. I think she likes being a slut so therefore she shouldn't get married to Lenard, and if Lenard sees what she is doing and doesn't confront her , hes not a man and deserves what he gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy2611 Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 terrible episode not worthy of this show. if it was me I would have broken off my engagement to penny. what she did was almost the same as being unfaithfull to Lenard. I guess the writers are going all out to show us that penny is truly a slut. she asked Lenard to marry her, then she goes out of her way to seduce or at least tease her customers at Lenard expense. I think she likes being a slut so therefore she shouldn't get married to Lenard, and if Lenard sees what she is doing and doesn't confront her , hes not a man and deserves what he gets. Wow! First of all, I'm not too fond of Penny to begin with for various reasons, one of them being her "slutiness" that's been mentioned or referenced to numerous times in this show. BUT, once again, I have to defend her in this instance. I don't think what she has been doing at this job, which lets be honest, is nothing more than a little flirting, would be considered cheating. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'd also like to add that a lot of women flirt for one reason or another. I've done it to get out of speeding tickets and most of the time, it works. And my husband doesn't consider it cheating Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie99 Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) terrible episode not worthy of this show. if it was me I would have broken off my engagement to penny. what she did was almost the same as being unfaithfull to Lenard. I guess the writers are going all out to show us that penny is truly a slut. she asked Lenard to marry her, then she goes out of her way to seduce or at least tease her customers at Lenard expense. I think she likes being a slut so therefore she shouldn't get married to Lenard, and if Lenard sees what she is doing and doesn't confront her , hes not a man and deserves what he gets. I think that you are being a bit extreme here. At the risk of being called 'misguided' by certain members on this forum, I would say that the general sentiment of your comment is accurate, as I do believe that Penny was being unfaithful in this case. However, I don't think it's a reason for Leonard to break off his relationship with Penny. Penny was clearly embarrassed by the whole fiasco and being shown up as having flirted with and taken advantage of a vulnerable man in order to sell a product, so she has shown some remorse for her actions. I'm not sure if Leonard would confront Penny about the issue because I feel like the Lenny relationship still isn't secure. Sometimes, it still feels like if they have one fight, the wedding is off. I don't think Leonard would want to have a fight with Penny because he knows that Penny can get another man better than him but he could not get anyone like Penny. Once again, I say this at the risk of being called 'anti-Lenny' by other members, which I'm most certainly not. I just don't think I'll feel happy with their relationship until they get married. Lastly, I do not believe that the episode was 'terrible' or 'not worthy of the show'. Yes, it wasn't a fantastic episode by any stretch of the imagination, but I gave it a 6/10 in my review because I felt that there were some funny moments in it and it had a good Bernadette/Amy sub-plot with nice character beats. When you compare this episode to the mess that was 'The Focus Attenuation', or the disaster that was 'The Benefactor Factor', it actually isn't that bad. Edited December 6, 2014 by Stewie99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 terrible episode not worthy of this show. if it was me I would have broken off my engagement to penny. what she did was almost the same as... [snip] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxdoug Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 I think that you are being a bit extreme here. At the risk of being called 'misguided' by certain members on this forum, I would say that the general sentiment of your comment is accurate, as I do believe that Penny was being unfaithful in this case. However, I don't think it's a reason for Leonard to break off his relationship with Penny. Penny was clearly embarrassed by the whole fiasco and being shown up as having flirted with and taken advantage of a vulnerable man in order to sell a product, so she has shown some remorse for her actions. I'm not sure if Leonard would confront Penny about the issue because I feel like the Lenny relationship still isn't secure. Sometimes, it still feels like if they have one fight, the wedding is off. I don't think Leonard would want to have a fight with Penny because he knows that Penny can get another man better than him but he could not get anyone like Penny. Once again, I say this at the risk of being called 'anti-Lenny' by other members, which I'm most certainly not. I just don't think I'll feel happy with their relationship until they get married. Lastly, I do not believe that the episode was 'terrible' or 'not worthy of the show'. Yes, it wasn't a fantastic episode by any stretch of the imagination, but I gave it a 6/10 in my review because I felt that there were some funny moments in it and it had a good Bernadette/Amy sub-plot with nice character beats. When you compare this episode to the mess that was 'The Focus Attenuation', or the disaster that was 'The Benefactor Factor', it actually isn't that bad. I wouldn't call you misguided so much as flat-out wrong. I think you must have a special definition of "unfaithful" that the rest of us aren't aware of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 I wouldn't call you misguided so much as flat-out wrong. I think you must have a special definition of "unfaithful" that the rest of us aren't aware of.Of course Leonard was being "unfaithful" in the cafeteria alone with Alex. Amy was unfaithful going to the movie with Stuart. Sheldon was unfaithful when he was alone with Penny. Amy is unfaithful with Faisal. howard wanted Penny after the hook up even with after being engaged to Bernie. Boy there is a lot of "unfaithful" people on the show. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxdoug Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Of course Leonard was being "unfaithful" in the cafeteria alone with Alex. Amy was unfaithful going to the movie with Stuart. Sheldon was unfaithful when he was alone with Penny. Amy is unfaithful with Faisal. howard wanted Penny after the hook up even with after being engaged to Bernie. Boy there is a lot of "unfaithful" people on the show. LOL If you define something broadly enough, the definition becomes meaningless. If Penny is unfaithful to Leonard in this case, then is Kaley not being unfaithful to Ryan every time she takes off her wedding ring or kisses Johnny while taping TBBT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 If you define something broadly enough, the definition becomes meaningless. If Penny is unfaithful to Leonard in this case, then is Kaley not being unfaithful to Ryan every time she takes off her wedding ring or kisses Johnny while taping TBBT?And Eimon snd Melssa too since they're married. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphs95 Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Was I the only one who felt that Amy had a point? She did have the right to an opinion about this article because like she said, she was a female scientist too and what Bernie does affects her. Mayim also seemed very genuine in her delivery with her reasons on the principle of the thing. While Amy doesn't have a say in what Bernie does specifically with her body and choices, she had every right to send that notice to the article writers, and they seemed to see her point too since it was cancelled. I don't think Amy would have made as a big deal if it wasn't Bernie specifically, so she can possibly be faulted in that area, but I don't think she was in the wrong overall. It's true that they might not have done that with the guy scientists and I thought Bernie's comeback to that was pretty lame (even if it was just for laughs). Overall, I didn't have a problem with their conflict and thought it was a good one, which is why I was disappointed to not have more resolution to that. I forget who it is, but someone mentioned that right after it she goes to Billy Bob who expresses interest in her which I think they were trying to make a sort of "resolution" of how Amy can be wanted (we see Amy wanted by that geologist too after all heehee!), but I think that could have been more apparent as a "solution". Anyone else here who was on Amy's side for this? I am. Female scientist centerfolds to me are in poor taste. Amy merely gave her opinion and I find it hard to believe that her opinion alone swayed the magazine. Bernie should have been annoyed at the magazine. I have my own fanfic reason why Bernie was mean and nasty to Amy about it and it's in my latest one. Bernie was plain ass cruel and needed to be bitch smacked in my opinion with Amy's bank quarters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPhD Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I don't know why some people consider Penny to be a "slut". Amy called her that when they first met, but that was just Amy's gross rudeness. It's been mentioned that Penny had sex with a lot of men before beginning her relationship with Leonard, but there's no suggestion she ever cheated on anyone. She's never so far as we know had sex for mercenary reasons as Leonard had to with Mrs Latham, nor on quite as slight an acquaintance as Leonard had with Dr Plimpton. Leonard's explanation that "She let me" shows which of them if either is promiscuous. Penny was very upset when she discovered that David Underhill the hunk physicist was married. Remember when Bernadette and Amy took a bit of harmless pleasure in scoring drinks off guys in a hotel bar while at a conference? You might as well call them "unfaithful". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I am. Female scientist centerfolds to me are in poor taste. Amy merely gave her opinion and I find it hard to believe that her opinion alone swayed the magazine. Bernie should have been annoyed at the magazine. I have my own fanfic reason why Bernie was mean and nasty to Amy about it and it's in my latest one. Bernie was plain ass cruel and needed to be bitch smacked in my opinion with Amy's bank quarters No I disagree Bernadette was spot on. I like Amy but she can be a tad hypcritical. Bernadette went the wrong way about it but she had a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 She's never so far as we know had sex for mercenary reasons as Leonard had to with Mrs Latham, From "The Anything Can Happen Thursday Recurrence": Sheldon: Have you ever paid for a meal? Penny: Not with money. Or the following from "The Contractual Obligation Implementation": Penny: Are you kidding? You brought fancy wine and made fondue. I’ve slept with guys for less. You also seem to have forgotten that Mrs Latham agreed to give the money before Leonard agreed to have sex. nor on quite as slight an acquaintance as Leonard had with Dr Plimpton. Does the name Luther ring a bell? If not, again, look up "The Contractual Obligation Implementation" or .... Leonard's explanation that "She let me" shows which of them if either is promiscuous. Penny was very upset when she discovered that David Underhill the hunk physicist was married. Cheating and promiscuous (or slut) are two different things. And speaking of Underhill, how well did Penny know him? Not very, as she didn't know he was married. I love how you provided an example that disproves your own, earlier contention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Still I would never call her or anyone else "a sl*t". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nbr3bagshotrow Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Anyone know what the device is in the display case on the front of this image? Possibly what movie/show it came from? Edited March 20, 2016 by Nbr3bagshotrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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