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Well there is nothing wrong with problems getting mentioned or acknowledged. It has been common enough in sitcoms in the past.

I get that but everyone's personal story doesn't always relate to what's happening on the show. This related to Bernadette. Amy was staring at her large haldrons and then she wrote to the magazine. IMO kind of hard not to think that she was just jealous. Obviously what Bernadette said to Amy was wrong but I can kind of see why she said what she said.

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I get that but everyone's personal story doesn't always relate to what's happening on the show. This related to Bernadette. Amy was staring at her large haldrons and then she wrote to the magazine. IMO kind of hard not to think that she was just jealous. Obviously what Bernadette said to Amy was wrong but I can kind of see why she said what she said.

 

Bernadette: "That was for me to decide, not you."

Amy: "I disagree. As a female scientist, I think what you do affects all of us."

 

You're right, clearly jealousy was the issue here; not the exploitation of female scientists.

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Firstly, I really enjoyed this episode. I'm loving the direction the writers are taking this season in bringing back the geek culture in a big way. The boys are really getting lots of time together without the girls and having the fun they had in the early seasons. For me, it's like the inference is that Amy isn't as clingy to Sheldon anymore and their comfort level with the relationship is letting him be geek Sheldon again,which makes him happy, and so they are happy. Leonard is so at peace with Penny he doesn't have to worry that his love of everything geek is going to unsettle the Lenny - the way he dismissed her during Donkey Kong was telling.

It was another call back episode, which I'm also loving. The girls coming in at the end and getting ignored was reminiscent of the early episode when Penny and her girlfriends enter 4A and her joke of coming to have sex with them was missed. BBT's Mississippi signal brings back Leonard's 5 Mississippi hug perception ( which ended up being correct) of Penny's affection for him in season 2 finale - apparently this a common trait in socially awkward geeks! Loved the reaction of the guys to the Doctors comment about his misguided belief that his collection of geek culture would impress the girls - a summary of the guys 7 years in this show.

Like kerrycec03's husband I was like a little boy in a toy shop spotting all the stuff in the doctor's basement-Robbie the robot, Mr Freeze, Magneto's friggin helmet! And watching the guys gathered around Leonard reliving his Donkey Kong halcyon days was a trip down memory lane.

Lenny continued down their "how good are we at dealing with issues as a couple" path as yet another crisis was averted with the iconic private talk in the hall. Also loved Leonard's dealing with The Doctor over Penny. Having said that, had plenty of laughs over Sheldons history of picking on Leonard's unlikely relationship with his girl too. And I think it's clear Leonard gets his IOU payback from Penny at the prom next week

As for the Bernadette controversy, I have a different take on the plot outside the "extensively discussed so nothing new to add arguments over women in science, who needs to apologise over who said/did what" thread debate. ( I always miss out on the good fights while sleeping in Australia). It has been mentioned that it was OOC for Bernadette. It has also been clear that some of us are not liking the mean streak of Bernadette coming through this season. I get the feeling, after years of being in the background as both individual character and part of Howardette, that season 8 is building towards being a big Howard and Bernadette season ( or as much as it can be amongst the Shamy/Lenny powerhouses).

On the personal level, the writers seem to be focussing specifically on her looks. We've had two episodes, almost back to back ( Vegas) , focussing on her sexual appeal, specifically her "rack/hadron colliders". Going back to season 4, when Howard doubted her hotness compared to the delicious caramel that is Halle Berry and his bath/bed fantasies with that actress whose name escapes me, plus the Love Car reference to not being hot enough for Glenn, it's almost like the writers are creating an internal battle within Bernie's mind about her physical appeal. You know, I'm just as hot as Penny. Why does she get all the attention? She does make a lot of snide digs about Penny so I can see the writers playing up some new hidden resentment there. IMHO, feel free to disagree.

On the Howardette front, season 8 seems to be building quite a bit of tension. Bernie really belittled him on the money issue and to a lesser degree the sporting prowess, the writers are playing up his still strong connection with mum, with the Stuart jealousy and this episode's barbs from Raj and their prom photo doesn't have the same Loving vibe that Lenny/Shamy has. Their conversation in the latest taping report seems peppered with snark too.

Maybe this is all leading up to a bit of trouble for the former most stable relationship in the show. I'm not suggesting long term distress - I don't think the writers are interested in separation or worse - but maybe some male interest at work or elsewhere in the pocket hottie with the big breasts will create a meaty story arc where Howardette address their relationship's hidden issues and Howard needs to worry less about his mums relationship with Stuart and more about his relationship with woman he replaced her with.

OR......the writers just want to make jokes about Bernie's big breasts and continue to belittle Amy's lack of sexuality in comparison to the two hot blondes she has noticed both sober and drunk and it all disappears amongst the Lenny/Shamy show it is. I don't know.

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Firstly, I really enjoyed this episode. I'm loving the direction the writers are taking this season in bringing back the geek culture in a big way. The boys are really getting lots of time together without the girls and having the fun they had in the early seasons. [snip]

 

This much is true and made the episode fun for me.

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Well tonight's episode is proof that this show appeals to lots of different segments..

I enjoyed the episode and found some funny lines. I have to admit I was more patiently awaiting next week's promo so I was distracted...

I rewatched the episode with my husband later in the evening and witnessed why the show appeals to so many. He was in a state of pure aww when the guys went into the basement. He was sitting there naming off all the games, movies, etc. It reminded me big time of the something for everyone factor.

Me personally I enjoy the relationship stuff but for my husband he was more in love with last nights "stuff".

Overall I thought it was a cute episode

 

Yeah, the argument between Amy and Bernadette seems to be overshadowing the Billy Bob Thorton visit and the basement full of really cool stuff - those are the two things I am going to remember about this episode :)

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I think they didn't resolve it intentionally. According this thread, you can see how people would react if they said Bernie was right, or Amy was right. One side would be mad and writers would have to face it. But at least some explanation would be nice you're right. I agree with you on Amy, sometimes it seems like they still are not sure, what to do with her character, I saw more of Mayim than Amy in this plot to be honest. And yes, this touching his back was kind of weird for me too. But I saw it second time and felt better about the episode. It has it's moments. Sheldon saying "these two tried to score with Penny too and they're are having dinner with us" was gold :icon_cheesygrin:

Inst Halloween supposed to be creepy? I think they did a good job with the creepiness. Including the inappropriate touching, chest gazing and being locked in a cellar.  I keep revising my opinion upwards on this episode as comedy.

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Was I the only one who felt that Amy had a point? She did have the right to an opinion about this article because like she said, she was a female scientist too and what Bernie does affects her. Mayim also seemed very genuine in her delivery with her reasons on the principle of the thing. While Amy doesn't have a say in what Bernie does specifically with her body and choices, she had every right to send that notice to the article writers, and they seemed to see her point too since it was cancelled. I don't think Amy would have made as a big deal if it wasn't Bernie specifically, so she can possibly be faulted in that area, but I don't think she was in the wrong overall. It's true that they might not have done that with the guy scientists and I thought Bernie's comeback to that was pretty lame (even if it was just for laughs). 

Overall, I didn't have a problem with their conflict and thought it was a good one, which is why I was disappointed to not have more resolution to that. I forget who it is, but someone mentioned that right after it she goes to Billy Bob who expresses interest in her which I think they were trying to make a sort of "resolution" of how Amy can be wanted (we see Amy wanted by that geologist too after all heehee!), but I think that could have been more apparent as a "solution".

 

Anyone else here who was on Amy's side for this?

 

Of course I agree with you Kichi, but not because I'm an Amy fan, but because what she was saying is totally true. If Amy had been the one excited about the idea and Bernie the one opposed to, I would be on Bernie's side. Also because her issue was merely a principles one, not something she did out of bitterness.

 

Being totally unspoiled for this episode, and knowing the kind of lame 'jokes' the show usually comes up with for situations like this one, I was at the edge of my seat, biting my nails, waiting for the slightest confirmation that, effectively, Amy was acting or speaking out of jealousy, but, thankfully, there was not a single hint of that.

 

Some can say that her reaction would have been a totally different one if she had been invited as well, but there's absolutely no way to prove that point. Her reaction was negative from the beggining (and I agree that Mayim's delivery was totally unequivocal, obviously because it's an issue that is close to her heart as well) not because she was against a woman freely expressing her sexuality, but because the intended concept of "hot female scientists" was something that rubbed her the wrong way in her personal beliefs, and because she find it offensive as a professional as well, not just because she was angry for not having been invited too.

 

Also, the idea that she acted against Bernie behind her back by writing that letter, I don't think that's true.

 

It's not like she said "good for you girl!, go for it!" to her face just to stab her in the back afterwards, she was honest and outspoken about her disagreement since the beginning, and told her she didn't like the idea at all and exposed her reasons, then, by writing the letter to the magazine, she was only doing the same thing, merely expressing her opinion (the same she had been clear about with the girls before). I don't think she believed her letter would cause the mag to change the plan. In fact, she didn't know the photoshoot had been cancelled, it was only after Bernie told her so, that she thought that just maybe her letter could have had something to do with the situation, but I don't think any of them (actually, neither any of us) knew for sure what caused the call-off of the photoshoot.

 

Then, in the other hand what Bernardette did, was pretty low and hurtful, I know she was frustrated, but she reacted with a personal attack that was totally uncalled for, attacking her friend's supposed lack of attractiveness and alluding the intimacy issues between her and her boyfriend. That's something you shouldn't do to anyone, let alone to one of your best friends.

 

And please, it's not like the oversexualization of women in all kinds of media, specially as opposed to the way men are portrayed in that same media is a myth or something. It's a real issue that is nocive and offensive in so many levels. I'm kind of happy the show addressed it, even when at the end they just kind of brushed it off and didn't give a clear resolution, luckily they didn't just rudely blow it off for the sake of a joke either.

 

I would be the one writing angry mail to the show if their 'resolution' to the conflict would have been both ot them making amends and happily posing in a 'sexy' way together and Amy forgetting her principles after receiving an invitation to pose as well.

 

I'm tremendously glad they didn't go that way. Kudos for them for that.

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I was surprised to see how mild-mannered Dr. Lorvis was.  Billy Bob Thornton usually plays such outrageous characters that it was unexpected for him to be so milquetoast.  For me, the subtlety made his performance that much funnier.  I would call him more desperate/lonely and socially clueless than creepy.

 

My two cents on the Amy/Bernie fight is that Bernie was way over the line, but she apologized instantly and begged Amy not to leave, then went to Penny's to smooth things over.  It doesn't fix the hurtful comment, but IMO it counts for something.

 

I love the way the writers have twice lately (also with Focus Attenuation) show that, even though all four guys are in relationships and they've matured, they're still the same guys.  They're still delightfully child-like in their love of sci-fi and video games.  Even when they're 70-year old grandpas, they'll be buddies hanging out playing video games, watching sci-fi movies, and arguing over comic books.

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While I haven't been online here for quite some time, I never stopped watching the show. Had some doubts last season it was worth to keep watching...

However stuck with it and finally really liked this episode ( previous episodes were ok ish ) to much emphasis on the girly stuff lately ( did love the comic book discussion girls had in another season though ) The girly stuff takes away from what the show initially was all about. If too much it becomes just another average tv show

The girls discussion I could see from both sides, but in the end have to side with Amy. Her reasoning was one that was most in the thoughts of what it should be like.

It took me some Mississipi's to register it was actually Billy Bob Thornton playing the doc. He fit very well in the settings of the show and was pleasantly surprised with his comedy timing!

Also the story was a great one, more in the line of the guys life :-) hope we get to see him again sometime.

Just for that I felt the need to read up a bit and post my thoughts :-)

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I sort of wonder if they are turning Bernadette into the sexual hottie of the show.  It the Las Vegas episode she was doing the things and acting more like we are use to seeing Penny act, not Bernadette.  Now in this episode she is being used as a sexual object for a magazine article.  Bernadette has come a long way from being the mousy little blonde that went on a blind date with Howard. 

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I sort of wonder if they are turning Bernadette into the sexual hottie of the show.  It the Las Vegas episode she was doing the things and acting more like we are use to seeing Penny act, not Bernadette.  Now in this episode she is being used as a sexual object for a magazine article.  Bernadette has come a long way from being the mousy little blonde that went on a blind date with Howard. 

 

No, I don't think so.

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I sort of wonder if they are turning Bernadette into the sexual hottie of the show. It the Las Vegas episode she was doing the things and acting more like we are use to seeing Penny act, not Bernadette. Now in this episode she is being used as a sexual object for a magazine article. Bernadette has come a long way from being the mousy little blonde that went on a blind date with Howard.

Possibly now that they have toned down Penny's sexuality (aka wardrobe). But I also know first hand that sometimes the girls in the longest relationships/marriages are the first to really let go and have a good time when in those social settings.

I think the Amy/Bernadette situation was a set-up for prom. Plus ironically after being insulted by Bernadette the next scene shows BBT hitting on Amy (granted she didn't do much of anything). I think while it was wrong of Amy to butt in she really wasn't jealous just protective of women in science and how they are viewed.

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Overall, I thought it was a pretty good episode, one of the best of the year so far.  I thought Billy Bob Thorton's character was pretty funny.  I have watched the episode a few times now and it gets funnier each time.  All of the regular cast were good, though I thought the story line with the guys was the best, especially Sheldon.  Jim Parsons has really been outstanding in the last few episodes. I did care for the Bernedtte/Amy storyline all that much, it just was not that funny.  The part with Amy and Thorton walking up the stairs and his starting to count the 1 , 2Mississippi when she touches him was great.

Overall, I still liked Sheldon the best tonight.

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Anyone know if the voice of BBT's mom in this episode, credited to Annie O'Donnell is the same Annie O'Donnell who played Amy's mom?

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Anyone know if the voice of BBT's mom in this episode, credited to Annie O'Donnell is the same Annie O'Donnell who played Amy's mom?

 

According to IMDB, it is.  

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Anyone know if the voice of BBT's mom in this episode, credited to Annie O'Donnell is the same Annie O'Donnell who played Amy's mom?

 

On my taping programme it says Sandy Martin is BBTs Mom.

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On my taping programme it says Sandy Martin is BBTs Mom.

Annie O'Donnell is listed in the ending credits.

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I really enjoyed this episode, I think BBT did a fantastic job as the nerd doctor.  BBT was acting a part in the show, and he nailed it, you can't really compare him to Bob Newhart, because they wrote the episode around  Bob, BBT, on the other hand, played a part in the episode, not written around him since it was a nerdy doctor character that could have been played by someone else.  However in my opinion BBT shined, as the great actor he is,  playing the character perfectly.  I laughed a lot during this episode and the people that watched it with me laughed too.  The only thing I didn't like was the second story about Bernadette being in the magazine, it got too serious in the end, not funny, if I wanted to watch that kind of stuff in a show, I would turn to HBO.

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Well tonight's episode is proof that this show appeals to lots of different segments..

I enjoyed the episode and found some funny lines. I have to admit I was more patiently awaiting next week's promo so I was distracted...

I rewatched the episode with my husband later in the evening and witnessed why the show appeals to so many. He was in a state of pure aww when the guys went into the basement. He was sitting there naming off all the games, movies, etc. It reminded me big time of the something for everyone factor.

Me personally I enjoy the relationship stuff but for my husband he was more in love with last nights "stuff".

Overall I thought it was a cute episode

 

Same with one of my friends. I like this episode but not too much, it was okay to me. And one of my friend said me it was one of the best for him. I wonder how my friends would react on the next episode.

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If it wasn't for the ridiculous Bernie plot and how unbelievably rude she was to Amy, I would say it was an excellent episode. BBT is just hysterical!!! I laughed at all his lines, he delivers them perfectly. 

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The only thing I didn't like was the second story about Bernadette being in the magazine, it got too serious in the end, not funny, if I wanted to watch that kind of stuff in a show, I would turn to HBO.

Or Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.

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I am a Shamy and a Lenny. 

 

I am not taking Amy's side in this at all.  It's fine that she feels that way that women scientists shouldn't do sexy photo shoots.  I didn't think it was fair to take that choice away from Bernadette who initially wanted to do the shoot.  

 

In this instance I felt both girls went too far...Amy for her part in getting the shoot cancelled.  Bernie for going off the way she did on Amy. 

 

Overall, I enjoyed the story and even as a Lenny found the Penny/sales storyline believable.  I thought it was handled well overall.   

 

I thought it was good episode.  Overall, enjoyable. 

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I am not taking Amy's side in this at all.  It's fine that she feels that way, that women scientist shouldn't get a sexy photo shoot.  I didn't think it was fair to take that choice away from Bernadette who initially wanted to do the shoot.  

 

 

Except Amy didn't take anything away from Bernadette, the magazine did.

 

Amy just told them why she thinks it's a bad idea, and obviously they agreed with her (and most likely several other ppl as well).

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Except Amy didn't take anything away from Bernadette, the magazine did.

The magazine did, yes, because of Amy.

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