The Relationship Inventory

[Tonstar17]

No surprise there, best ILY of all the seasons we had so far!!

But it's Shamy, so it should not surprise anyone. They got that 8.2 after all

Well that's your opinion & some other posters here. I thought It was sweet & cute.

Best I love you of all the seasons was penny's to Leonard. My opinion & maybe others.

It had raw emotions, it was sincere & the powerful attraction for each other was evident.

And you do know that survey wasn't based on real facts just the show. You also do know that a relationship survey will asked questions like how many times a week do you kiss and hold hands, hug and how often do they have sex, intimacy is a very big part of relationships so will play a big part in the survey, with those things missing from a relationship there is no way shamy would have got an 8.2 you also do know the writers intentionally made lenny not take the test because they knew it wouldn't make sense to the audience because in reality there is no way shamy will beat lenny in a relationship survey because there is so much intimacy missing or not done on a regular basics.

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[phantagrae]

Well that's your opinion & some other posters here. I thought It was sweet & cute.

Best I love you of all the seasons was penny's to Leonard. My opinion & maybe others.

It had raw emotions, it was sincere & the powerful attraction for each other was evident.

And you do know that survey wasn't based on real facts just the show. You also do know that a relationship survey will asked questions like how many times a week do you kiss and hold hands, hug and how often do they have sex, intimacy is a very big part of relationships so will play a big part in the survey, with those things missing from a relationship there is no way shamy would have got an 8.2 you also do know the writers intentionally made lenny not take the test because they knew it wouldn't make sense to the audience because in reality there is no way shamy will beat lenny in a relationship survey because there is so much intimacy missing or not done on a regular basics.

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On the other forum, they've actually been going through that actual survey (which is a real thing) and discussing what proof we may have about what Sheldon and Amy's responses could be--questions like "My partner influences the way I feel about myself", etc..

 

And the thing is, whatever the writers contend to be true is true because they declared it to be so.  So, if the writers say that Sheldon and Amy got an 8.2 on the test, then it's true.  Obviously the characters wouldn't make up that score.

In reality, I think the whole point of that discussion was to point out that both couples are happy, but in their own, differing ways.  Sheldon and Amy measure their happiness by their non-romantic, measurable score, while Leonard and Penny measure their happiness by their feelings.  Two different approaches, but two same conclusions.

 

I think the reason that the Shamy ILY feels so big is that we knew that Penny would eventually say it--it had been obvious for some time that she loved Leonard, but she was just gunshy, for whatever reason, about saying the actual words.

But for Sheldon, especially, such a declaration isn't about having been burned before, like with Penny, and it isn't about insecurity and fear of rejection, like it might be for Leonard or Amy, but it's about whether or not Sheldon would be capable of having that feeling, capable of articulating that feeling, willing to admit to the feeling.

 

All the other couples are sexually active, romantic, etc., so declarations of love are almost secondary.  For Penny they built it up because she had not said it up to that point.  I'm not saying there was anything cheap or not valuable in her ILY scene, but even as she said it, she was simply acknowledging what she had already been feeling and said that Leonard had to already know it to be true, even if she hadn't said it.

 

But for Amy and Sheldon, it was, IMO, more momentous because of the nature of their relationship--barely past platonic, with only the most chaste kisses, etc., where people here on these boards have questioned whether or not they're even in a romantic relationship because they're not "physical" (read--sexually active) with each other.  And for Sheldon to come to the conclusion he did is a big deal for him.  It isn't that surprising that Amy wants to say that she loves Sheldon, but it is very surprising that he would beat her to the punch and in such a Sheldony way.

[Tonstar17]

On the other forum, they've actually been going through that actual survey (which is a real thing) and discussing what proof we may have about what Sheldon and Amy's responses could be--questions like "My partner influences the way I feel about myself", etc..

And the thing is, whatever the writers contend to be true is true because they declared it to be so. So, if the writers say that Sheldon and Amy got an 8.2 on the test, then it's true. Obviously the characters wouldn't make up that score.

In reality, I think the whole point of that discussion was to point out that both couples are happy, but in their own, differing ways. Sheldon and Amy measure their happiness by their non-romantic, measurable score, while Leonard and Penny measure their happiness by their feelings. Two different approaches, but two same conclusions.

I think the reason that the Shamy ILY feels so big is that we knew that Penny would eventually say it--it had been obvious for some time that she loved Leonard, but she was just gunshy, for whatever reason, about saying the actual words.

But for Sheldon, especially, such a declaration isn't about having been burned before, like with Penny, and it isn't about insecurity and fear of rejection, like it might be for Leonard or Amy, but it's about whether or not Sheldon would be capable of having that feeling, capable of articulating that feeling, willing to admit to the feeling.

All the other couples are sexually active, romantic, etc., so declarations of love are almost secondary. For Penny they built it up because she had not said it up to that point. I'm not saying there was anything cheap or not valuable in her ILY scene, but even as she said it, she was simply acknowledging what she had already been feeling and said that Leonard had to already know it to be true, even if she hadn't said it.

But for Amy and Sheldon, it was, IMO, more momentous because of the nature of their relationship--barely past platonic, with only the most chaste kisses, etc., where people here on these boards have questioned whether or not they're even in a romantic relationship because they're not "physical" (read--sexually active) with each other. And for Sheldon to come to the conclusion he did is a big deal for him. It isn't that surprising that Amy wants to say that she loves Sheldon, but it is very surprising that he would beat her to the punch and in such a Sheldony way.

Just because the writers said they got 8.2 doesn't mean it true, they never gave us the viewers any proof of that. If we had seen the questions asked then it might have been believable. I just can't see shamy getting an 8.2 in any relationship survey until they take their relationship to another level, too much is missing in the relationship for it to stand. I also think the whole point of bring up the test was to bring out penny's insecurities & jokes about it on the expense of lenny, (getting old) it was never meant to be taken seriously. I agree the shamy ILY was real & sentimal for both Amy & sheldon, so was the Lenny ILY.They were both real & were meant to be taken seriously.

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[phantagrae]

Just because the writers said they got 8.2 doesn't mean it true, they never gave us the viewers any proof of that. If we had seen the questions asked then it might have been believable. I just can't see shamy getting an 8.2 in any relationship survey until they take their relationship to another level, too much is missing in the relationship for it to stand. I also think the whole point of bring up the test was to bring out penny's insecurities & jokes about it on the expense of lenny, (getting old) it was never meant to be taken seriously. I agree the shamy ILY was real & sentimal for both Amy & sheldon, so was the Lenny ILY.They were both real & were meant to be taken seriously.

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So, you're saying that Sheldon and Amy were lying about their score?  If the writers say that Sheldon went to college at 11, is that open for debate?  After all, we haven't seen his transcripts.  What about his IQ?  We haven't seen his test scores.

 

If the writers declare that they got an 8.2, then they did.  The audience doesn't need to see the questions because the point was that Sheldon and Amy took the test and that was their score, regardless of sexual components.  Do we know whether or not the test asks about sex?  Maybe that's why they didn't score a 10.

But the test was about compatibility and that doesn't necessarily have to do with whether or not the couple is sexually active.

They express affection with their date night kisses and if they're both okay with that level, then that's another point where they can be compatible.  Even if Amy is ready for more, if she's content to wait, then, again, they can still be compatible or in agreement in that area.

 

I don't think the point was to bring up Penny's insecurities.  I think it was to point out the different approaches in the two relationships.  Penny didn't want to take the test, but Leonard was still able to reassure her about the strength of their relationship.  They may not have a test score, but that doesn't mean they're not happy.

 

Most people don't take such tests, but still find that they are happy.  And those who do take such a test and get a good score may find that to be an endorsement of what they already feel.

Taking a test and getting a high score is simply the "sciencey" way to approach it.  Like Penny said--and Sheldon happily agreed with--it takes the romance out of it, which is important to Sheldon, since he values intellectual assessments more than "hippy-dippy feelings".  For him, romance is less reliable than science, so a test score such as this is more valuable to him than simply relying on feelings.

And now we know that he also has feelings...

 

Whether or not you think Penny and Leonard have a better relationship, the comparision in that episode showed that BOTH couples were happy and felt they were in a good place, test or no test.  And I think that's the point the writers were trying to make.

[kimbee73]

Okay so as not to stir the pot....I did a quick internet search(google) and typed in relationship closeness inventory. The first entry said take the test....relationship closeness inventory as seen on the BBT....now as I looked at it, there were many things I can say I understand why Amy and Sheldon would score bigger on....if this is the basis of the test.

I think both ILYs were special. Sheldon's was not expected which is why so many love that one more....I think Penny's was out of frustration...."you know I love you" because Leonard was being insecure about the school partner. I don't think it was any less sincere. I loved both equally.

And I also agree that the survey was meant as a non romantic way of rating their relationship as Sheldon said, "it does it perfectly." So both relationships are strong and both have their own reasons for being strong.

[hokie3457]

Off topic for this thread, but both relationships are healthy, happy and yes loving. They work for the parties with which and with whom they are involved....

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[Tonstar17]

So, you're saying that Sheldon and Amy were lying about their score? If the writers say that Sheldon went to college at 11, is that open for debate? After all, we haven't seen his transcripts. What about his IQ? We haven't seen his test scores.

If the writers declare that they got an 8.2, then they did. The audience doesn't need to see the questions because the point was that Sheldon and Amy took the test and that was their score, regardless of sexual components. Do we know whether or not the test asks about sex? Maybe that's why they didn't score a 10.

But the test was about compatibility and that doesn't necessarily have to do with whether or not the couple is sexually active.

They express affection with their date night kisses and if they're both okay with that level, then that's another point where they can be compatible. Even if Amy is ready for more, if she's content to wait, then, again, they can still be compatible or in agreement in that area.

I don't think the point was to bring up Penny's insecurities. I think it was to point out the different approaches in the two relationships. Penny didn't want to take the test, but Leonard was still able to reassure her about the strength of their relationship. They may not have a test score, but that doesn't mean they're not happy.

Most people don't take such tests, but still find that they are happy. And those who do take such a test and get a good score may find that to be an endorsement of what they already feel.

Taking a test and getting a high score is simply the "sciencey" way to approach it. Like Penny said--and Sheldon happily agreed with--it takes the romance out of it, which is important to Sheldon, since he values intellectual assessments more than "hippy-dippy feelings". For him, romance is less reliable than science, so a test score such as this is more valuable to him than simply relying on feelings.

And now we know that he also has feelings...

Whether or not you think Penny and Leonard have a better relationship, the comparision in that episode showed that BOTH couples were happy and felt they were in a good place, test or no test. And I think that's the point the writers were trying to make.

Well someone is lying, you cannot use science to prove that one relationship is better than the other, you just can't. Sheldon using a test to prove that scientifically that he has a better relationship is flawed. Science does not work when it comes to love, romance or feeling, if it did, we all be with our soulmates. Lol we don't need prove that sheldon went to college at 11 or his IQ it's all on screen to see. He is a genius that's prove enough but there is no prove on screen or even the writers showing us that the score is accurate. Give me a link to any survey online that doesn't mention sex as part of a relationship survey. It a very important part of human relationships, so is regular kissing & affection. I never said lenny had a better relationship than shamy, far from it. But when you get posters posing that shamys ILY is the best thing since slice bread ppl are going to respond. That belongs in the shamy thread. So does bragging about the 8.2. You don't see us lenny bragging about all the affection & sex lenny are having outside of the Lenny thread.

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[phantagrae]

Well someone is lying, you cannot use science to prove that one relationship is better than the other, you just can't. Sheldon using a test to prove that scientifically that he has a better relationship is flawed. Science does not work when it comes to love, romance or feeling, if it did, we all be with our soulmates. Lol we don't need prove that sheldon went to college at 11 or his IQ it's all on screen to see. He is a genius that's prove enough but there is no prove on screen or even the writers showing us that the score is accurate. Give me a link to any survey online that doesn't mention sex as part of a relationship survey. It a very important part of human relationships, so is regular kissing & affection. I never said lenny had a better relationship than shamy, far from it. But when you get posters posing that shamys ILY is the best thing since slice bread ppl are going to respond. That belongs in the shamy thread. So does bragging about the 8.2. You don't see us lenny bragging about all the affection & sex lenny are having outside of the Lenny thread.

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This is a discussion thread for things that occured in the Prom episode, which includes the Shamy ILY.  If the compatibility score is tangentially related to their feelings for one another, then it can be discussed here, especially since it is somehow being brought up to question the state of their relationship.

 

I think I made it clear that I don't think the test score was mentioned in the episode to somehow prove that one relationship was better than the other.  I think that quite the opposite was the point--that BOTH relationships were good, but that the individuals involved in those relationships had different approaches in measuring the success of their relationships.

 

Sheldon believes that the better way to measure a relationship is with a relationship compatibility survey (and believe it or not, a couple can be compatible without having had sex yet--in fact, one measure of compatibility may well be how each one views sex before or outside of marriage), and, of course he thinks that he and Amy have the better relationship.  He has ranked all the relationships among their group, but that doesn't mean that any of the other couples would rank them all the same way, obviously.  Sheldon always thinks he and his ways are better than anyone else's.

Penny thinks that taking such a survey takes all the romance (read--feelings) out of a relationship and fears that taking the test would highlight the things that she and Leonard do not have in common.

 

But, just because Sheldon and Amy are both scientists and have a similar way of viewing the world, doesn't mean that their view is better. It's better in their eyes, it's better for them.

But even though Leonard and Penny don't have as much in common in terms of education and occupation, that doesn't mean that they aren't happy together.  They have other things in common and in some ways might do well on the test as well.  Penny doesn't want to take it because she's afraid their score would be low or something, but test or no test, she and Leonard are indeed happy.

 

So again, I think the point of the episode was to show that both couples are happy and feel close, and all that, regardless of how they measure it, and that Sheldon's ranking is his own, not some scientific proof.

As far as we know, none of the other couples have taken the test, so it's not as if taking the test provides a ranking of one couple over another.

[Tonstar17]

This is a discussion thread for things that occured in the Prom episode, which includes the Shamy ILY. If the compatibility score is tangentially related to their feelings for one another, then it can be discussed here, especially since it is somehow being brought up to question the state of their relationship.

I think I made it clear that I don't think the test score was mentioned in the episode to somehow prove that one relationship was better than the other. I think that quite the opposite was the point--that BOTH relationships were good, but that the individuals involved in those relationships had different approaches in measuring the success of their relationships.

Sheldon believes that the better way to measure a relationship is with a relationship compatibility survey (and believe it or not, a couple can be compatible without having had sex yet--in fact, one measure of compatibility may well be how each one views sex before or outside of marriage), and, of course he thinks that he and Amy have the better relationship. He has ranked all the relationships among their group, but that doesn't mean that any of the other couples would rank them all the same way, obviously. Sheldon always thinks he and his ways are better than anyone else's.

Penny thinks that taking such a survey takes all the romance (read--feelings) out of a relationship and fears that taking the test would highlight the things that she and Leonard do not have in common.

But, just because Sheldon and Amy are both scientists and have a similar way of viewing the world, doesn't mean that their view is better. It's better in their eyes, it's better for them.

But even though Leonard and Penny don't have as much in common in terms of education and occupation, that doesn't mean that they aren't happy together. They have other things in common and in some ways might do well on the test as well. Penny doesn't want to take it because she's afraid their score would be low or something, but test or no test, she and Leonard are indeed happy.

So again, I think the point of the episode was to show that both couples are happy and feel close, and all that, regardless of how they measure it, and that Sheldon's ranking is his own, not some scientific proof.

As far as we know, none of the other couples have taken the test, so it's not as if taking the test provides a ranking of one couple over another.

I agree with most of what you said, but I don't agree that this is the right thread for a poster to say the shamy ILY was the best of all the seasons. There are other ships that will disagree with that statement. It belongs in the shamy thread.

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[tallin]

Well that's your opinion & some other posters here. I thought It was sweet & cute.

Best I love you of all the seasons was penny's to Leonard. My opinion & maybe others.

It had raw emotions, it was sincere & the powerful attraction for each other was evident.

And you do know that survey wasn't based on real facts just the show. You also do know that a relationship survey will asked questions like how many times a week do you kiss and hold hands, hug and how often do they have sex, intimacy is a very big part of relationships so will play a big part in the survey, with those things missing from a relationship there is no way shamy would have got an 8.2 you also do know the writers intentionally made lenny not take the test because they knew it wouldn't make sense to the audience because in reality there is no way shamy will beat lenny in a relationship survey because there is so much intimacy missing or not done on a regular basics.

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If we will open this relationship closeness inventory question, I think I should throw this in  - https://dtreboux.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/berscheid-reference.pdf... that's the inventory, starting at page 15. The problem is, it's not really survey about quality of romantic relationship. I believe it have maybe one question about sex, which doesn't change score. It's closeness inventory, which means it examines how close and deep your relationship (with any person - friend, relatives, partner...) is. Closeness I think, doesn't have to include intimacy at all. Even people who doesn't have sex, can have very deep connection. Can't asexuals, people unable from health reason and others have enough deep connection with their partners to score 8.2 or 10 because they don't have sex? Sorry, in my opinion they can. Shamy build their opinion of being "superior" couple on premise of being more close to each other. Do I believe they could get 8.2 in this inventory ? Yes. Mostly because they have everything agreed, written in their document. As Amy pointed out they have covered the bases of their relationship in the future, so there is probably compliance in this. Also is remarkable how much influence they have to each other, how many development they did because of each other in years. And as they are almost in every episode together for at least one episode, I would say they spending a lot of time together. 

Based on THIS inventory I would say Shamy would score better, mostly because Lenny have problem, in my opinion,  not being really sure, where they relationship goes most of the time. They don't really discuss future together, and they're solving problems when they comes in the way, not thinking "ahead." And I have feeling like Penny isn't always ready to really "open herself" to Leonard.

But even despite this, I believe they would score good as well. You can try to look at the question and make your own conclusion. We have to remember they have totally different relationships. Shamy doesn't see physical intimacy as one of the important factors in relationships, Lenny does. To argue about what is better, or If  intimacy is really such a big part of relationship, is for me just argument, where I put my own personality and life experiences to the characters, and that really doesn't have a proper value for me. Important is they're happy, whatever it includes. For someone to score 8.2, for someone to have their marriage proposal finally accepted. I think, that was the main motto of the episode.

[Guest]

They don't really discuss future together, and they're solving problems when they comes in the way, not thinking "ahead." And I have feeling like Penny isn't always ready to really "open herself" to Leonard.

 

 

They don't? I remember them talking about wedding, living together and joint bank accounts. What does "Shamy" have to offer?

 

 

Shamy doesn't see physical intimacy as one of the important factors in relationships

 

Well, Amy does, but as long as Sheldon Cooper says she is happy, nobody will care... apparently.

[Tonstar17]

If we will open this relationship closeness inventory question, I think I should throw this in - https://dtreboux.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/berscheid-reference.pdf... that's the inventory, starting at page 15. The problem is, it's not really survey about quality of romantic relationship. I believe it have maybe one question about sex, which doesn't change score. It's closeness inventory, which means it examines how close and deep your relationship (with any person - friend, relatives, partner...) is. Closeness I think, doesn't have to include intimacy at all. Even people who doesn't have sex, can have very deep connection. Can't asexuals, people unable from health reason and others have enough deep connection with their partners to score 8.2 or 10 because they don't have sex? Sorry, in my opinion they can. Shamy build their opinion of being "superior" couple on premise of being more close to each other. Do I believe they could get 8.2 in this inventory ? Yes. Mostly because they have everything agreed, written in their document. As Amy pointed out they have covered the bases of their relationship in the future, so there is probably compliance in this. Also is remarkable how much influence they have to each other, how many development they did because of each other in years. And as they are almost in every episode together for at least one episode, I would say they spending a lot of time together.

Based on THIS inventory I would say Shamy would score better, mostly because Lenny have problem, in my opinion, not being really sure, where they relationship goes most of the time. They don't really discuss future together, and they're solving problems when they comes in the way, not thinking "ahead." And I have feeling like Penny isn't always ready to really "open herself" to Leonard.

But even despite this, I believe they would score good as well. You can try to look at the question and make your own conclusion. We have to remember they have totally different relationships. Shamy doesn't see physical intimacy as one of the important factors in relationships, Lenny does. To argue about what is better, or If intimacy is really such a big part of relationship, is for me just argument, where I put my own personality and life experiences to the characters, and that really doesn't have a proper value for me. Important is they're happy, whatever it includes. For someone to score 8.2, for someone to have their marriage proposal finally accepted. I think, that was the main motto of the episode.

Really. I don't think they will score an 8.2 on that survey. Most of the questions shamy do not do together. Shoe shopping theatres, cinema spending afternoons, probably weekends. The only thing the writers has shown that shamy have in common is both being scientists. & their IQ & can talk about science. Sheldon's doesn't like any of her hobbies or even her profession, also Amy doesn't like his too. She just put up with it. The writers have shown that Amy doesn't care about trains, comics books, action figures etc but she just goes along with it to please him. & you say lenny have problems. Laughable. Just because they planned their future doesn't mean it going to happen that way. or they have a better relationship. Seriously I don't even know why I am replying to this.

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[phantagrae]

They don't? I remember them talking about wedding, living together and joint bank accounts. What does "Shamy" have to offer?

 

 

 

Well, Amy does, but as long as Sheldon Cooper says she is happy, nobody will care... apparently.

 

I think that in the first statement, tallin means that they don't plan as far ahead in such a specific, detailed way.  They have general plans, but not necessarily specific plans, but that doesn't mean that they don't envision a future together.  They just approach it in a more seat-of-the-pants way.  Even with discussing the joint account, they didn't rush out and deposit the money--they were still playing around with it (to the point of having sex on top of it...)

 

Amy does want a sexual relationship, yes, of course, but as she told him in Prom, she's not going to pressure him in to it.  Does she hope for it?  Of course.  Is she unhappy waiting, apparently not, since she wasn't going to force him into it.

But sexual intimacy isn't the defining factor in their relationship.

[tallin]

I think that in the first statement, tallin means that they don't plan as far ahead in such a specific, detailed way.  They have general plans, but not necessarily specific plans, but that doesn't mean that they don't envision a future together.  They just approach it in a more seat-of-the-pants way.  Even with discussing the joint account, they didn't rush out and deposit the money--they were still playing around with it (to the point of having sex on top of it...)

 

Amy does want a sexual relationship, yes, of course, but as she told him in Prom, she's not going to pressure him in to it.  Does she hope for it?  Of course.  Is she unhappy waiting, apparently not, since she wasn't going to force him into it.

But sexual intimacy isn't the defining factor in their relationship.

Thank you, you covered up it for me perfectly With the future, that's what I meant exactly. They knew, they want to be together, but in details, I think they not that sure. And with Sheldon perfectionism I believe he covered a lot of future decisions, as Amy herself pointed out. That doesn't mean it's any worse way. They just have different ways. 

And with sex... I agree with everything you said. And I just want to add, Sheldon isn't this "bad" guy for me, as sometimes is said, just because he isn't ready for sex. He  is already intimate with her. Holding hands, hugging, kissing... she knows he is willing to try for her. She had her chances to be with someone else, she didn't took it. It's not that big problem for her, or she would find her way to "get it" long time ago. It's not making her unhappy. Because yes, sexual intimacy apparently isn't  defining factor for her either.

[Chrismo]

Really. I don't think they will score an 8.2 on that survey. Most of the questions shamy do not do together. Shoe shopping theatres, cinema spending afternoons, probably weekends. The only thing the writers has shown that shamy have in common is both being scientists. & their IQ & can talk about science. Sheldon's doesn't like any of her hobbies or even her profession, also Amy doesn't like his too. She just put up with it. The writers have shown that Amy doesn't care about trains, comics books, action figures etc but she just goes along with it to please him. & you say lenny have problems. Laughable. Just because they planned their future doesn't mean it going to happen that way. or they have a better relationship. Seriously I don't even know why I am replying to this.

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while I agree with you much of the information is time related together. logically since Lenny lives across the Hall from each other and Shamy doesn't combined with Sheldon not driving and scheduled activities with Amy the 8.2 doesn't make sense and if it is 8.2 Lenny would be higher.

[phantagrae]

while I agree with you much of the information is time related together. logically since Lenny lives across the Hall from each other and Shamy doesn't combined with Sheldon not driving and scheduled activities with Amy the 8.2 doesn't make sense and if it is 8.2 Lenny would be higher.

 

The point was that we will never know if Leonard and Penny would have scored higher because she didn't want to take it and find out one way or the other.

 

The point of the score was not that Sheldon and Amy would have scored higher than anyone else.  It was, again, simply to highlight the different approaches the two couples take in determining their degree of happiness with each other.

 

Whether or not L/P would have scored higher also doesn't negate Sheldon and Amy's score.

 

If I take a test and score and 85 and you don't take the test, but think you would have scored higher than me, does that mean that my score is not valid?  Maybe you would indeed get a better score than me, but unless you take the test, then you can't say for sure.  And even if you do take it and score higher than me, my score still stands.

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[Chrismo]

Only if that was the only point that determines the score.

i may have been cherry picking a little but it was kind of obvious the original poster was too.

[Etienne]

Really. I don't think they will score an 8.2 on that survey. Most of the questions shamy do not do together. Shoe shopping theatres, cinema spending afternoons, probably weekends. The only thing the writers has shown that shamy have in common is both being scientists. & their IQ & can talk about science. Sheldon's doesn't like any of her hobbies or even her profession, also Amy doesn't like his too. She just put up with it. The writers have shown that Amy doesn't care about trains, comics books, action figures etc but she just goes along with it to please him. & you say lenny have problems. Laughable. Just because they planned their future doesn't mean it going to happen that way. or they have a better relationship. Seriously I don't even know why I am replying to this.

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One criticism of the Omoto index is that it measures interdependance rather than relationship, and can result in co-dependent  relationships scoring quite highly.  

 

In this instance I felt that the take away joke is that Sheldon, the ever socially stunted, is convinced that application of something that is quantifiable, such as 8.2 makes, any statements of Amy's desire for expressions of affection such as Leonard's totally irrelevant.  He still doesn't appreciate that human relationships do not have to conform to an equation written on a white board. Remember this is someone who is convinced he know how to swim because he read some "how to swim" papers and practiced on the living room floor. 

[phantagrae]

i may have been cherry picking a little but it was kind of obvious the original poster was too.

 

And I changed the point I was trying to make.  But also, going by some of the questions on the inventory that were being discussed on the other forum, S/A could very well have scored well on them, and I don't think that the primary factor is how many minutes of the day you spend together.  You could spend 24 hours a day with someone and not be any closer to them than if you saw them for only 3 hours a day.

[tallin]

Really. I don't think they will score an 8.2 on that survey. Most of the questions shamy do not do together. Shoe shopping theatres, cinema spending afternoons, probably weekends. The only thing the writers has shown that shamy have in common is both being scientists. & their IQ & can talk about science. Sheldon's doesn't like any of her hobbies or even her profession, also Amy doesn't like his too. She just put up with it. The writers have shown that Amy doesn't care about trains, comics books, action figures etc but she just goes along with it to please him. & you say lenny have problems. Laughable. Just because they planned their future doesn't mean it going to happen that way. or they have a better relationship. Seriously I don't even know why I am replying to this.

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Well it's hard to tell what they do or do not together, since we are still watching 20 minutes sitcom. But in most of it I don't see a reason why not... well hunting no for sure...If I will come to conclusion just based on inventory it doesn't really have much questions about common hobbies, more like finding how much that person influences you, which I believe Lenny influences each other as well. My problem was with them not really think far to the future, which is big part of the inventory. Sheldon wrote 31. pages long agreement to cover all the possible expectations, including future, so I believe the compliance would be here more sure.I did say Lenny have problems, Shamy have problems, Howardette have problems. Long relationships without problems, I believe doesn't exist in any universe, including the TV one. . You think Lenny would score higher, I think Shamy would, we will not have an answer, but important to me was to  have a real base to make our hypothesis more valid, without speculating about something we never saw. 

[phantagrae]

One criticism of the Omoto index is that it measures interdependance rather than relationship, and can result in co-dependent  relationships scoring quite highly.  

 

In this instance I felt that the take away joke is that Sheldon, the ever socially stunted, is convinced that application of something that is quantifiable, such as 8.2 makes, any statements of Amy's desire for expressions of affection such as Leonard's totally irrelevant.  He still doesn't appreciate that human relationships do not have to conform to an equation written on a white board. Remember this is someone who is convinced he know how to swim because he read some "how to swim" papers and practiced on the living room floor. 

 

But Sheldon also wasn't the only one taking the test.  Whatever the flaws of the test might be, and I can see your point in that some of the questions are things like "my partner makes me feel better about myself", still, they both answered the questions, not just Sheldon.  So if both their answers are taken into account in scoring, they still scored their 8.2.

And if L/P would have scored higher than S/A, then the same assessment could be said of their relationship.

 

But again, the point of the contrast between Sheldon's preference for quantifying everything through measurement (and we all do it in some way, even if our measurement is intuitive) and using a scorable test to do so, and Leonard and Penny's more intuitive approach was to point out that either assessment is valid, since both couples are happy.  They simply have different ways of measuring that happiness.

 

The writers were obviously not giving one couple preference over the other, or saying that one couple was happier or more compatible than the other.  They were simply contrasting the differing approaches.

[Chrismo]

And I changed the point I was trying to make.  But also, going by some of the questions on the inventory that were being discussed on the other forum, S/A could very well have scored well on them, and I don't think that the primary factor is how many minutes of the day you spend together.  You could spend 24 hours a day with someone and not be any closer to them than if you saw them for only 3 hours a day.

i get the quality vs quantity argument but when you have a schedule of when you are going to see your girlfriend and won't stray from that I'm not thinking that's a problem IMO. Lenny never took the test so you knows. All I know is that Amy had the look of defeat at the end of the episode.

[Tonstar17]

while I agree with you much of the information is time related together. logically since Lenny lives across the Hall from each other and Shamy doesn't combined with Sheldon not driving and scheduled activities with Amy the 8.2 doesn't make sense and if it is 8.2 Lenny would be higher.

The 8.2 is laughable, its like all of sudden sheldon has become a master in relationships It's like taking advice from a novice. This is the same Sheldon that didn't have a clue what happens on prom night.

The point was that we will never know if Leonard and Penny would have scored higher because she didn't want to take it and find out one way or the other.

The point of the score was not that Sheldon and Amy would have scored higher than anyone else. It was, again, simply to highlight the different approaches the two couples take in determining their degree of happiness with each other.

Whether or not L/P would have scored higher also doesn't negate Sheldon and Amy's score.

If I take a test and score and 85 and you don't take the test, but think you would have scored higher than me, does that mean that my score is not valid? Maybe you would indeed get a better score than me, but unless you take the test, then you can't say for sure. And even if you do take it and score higher than me, my score still stands.

Like I said in an earlier post, there is a reason why the writers didn't make lenny take the test. It would not have made sense if shamy scored higher. they would have had give lenny a 9.5 or a 10

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[Chrismo]

 

Whether or not L/P would have scored higher also doesn't negate Sheldon and Amy's score.

 

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jJust as Sheldon said ILY doesn't negate that Amy didn't.

[Tensor]

Thank you, you covered up it for me perfectly With the future, that's what I meant exactly. They knew, they want to be together, but in details, I think they not that sure. And with Sheldon perfectionism I believe he covered a lot of future decisions, as Amy herself pointed out. That doesn't mean it's any worse way. They just have different ways. 

And with sex... I agree with everything you said. And I just want to add, Sheldon isn't this "bad" guy for me, as sometimes is said, just because he isn't ready for sex. He  is already intimate with her. Holding hands, hugging, kissing... she knows he is willing to try for her. She had her chances to be with someone else, she didn't took it. It's not that big problem for her, or she would find her way to "get it" long time ago. It's not making her unhappy. Because yes, sexual intimacy apparently isn't  defining factor for her either.

 

But there are a lot of future decisions that he doesn't plan for, so the Shamy is also fly by the seat of their pants.   Did Sheldon foresee holding hands?  Kissing on date night?  If it had been part of  it would have been part of the relationship agreement, not additions to it.  I'd be really surprised if the living together parts, joint checking account parts were in the original agreements.