ATM Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 I did read your post. You said that they wouldn't work unless they got those big paychecks. I pointed out that it was WB who kept them from starting production, not the actors striking until they got their big paychecks. There's a difference in the implication you make. "Working for the fans" doesn't mean they don't deserve a big paycheck. People act as if actors should be working for free and that getting a paycheck makes them selfish. I know you don't work for free, but getting a paycheck doesn't make one selfish. You call yourself selfish and I can't dispute that because I don't know you. So why would you call them selfish unless you're trying to imply something about the size of their paycheck? What I'm saying is that getting a paycheck doesn't automatically make one selfish and getting a big paycheck in an industry that deals with a lot of money also doesn't make one selfish. We all look out for our best interests when it comes to negotiating our salaries. That doesn't make us selfish. Selfish is a loaded word. You can call yourself selfish, but you can't call someone you don't know selfish just because they make more money than you do. And what I'm saying is that the awards do matter in terms of industry cred, but that in many cases the award nominations/wins can be affected by the tendencies of those voting bodies. Just because you don't "idolize actors" doesn't mean that them getting recognized for their work is meaningless or that wanting to see actors or projects you like being acknowledged is silly. Just because you don't care doesn't make caring about it foolish or whatever it is you seem to be implying. And if you don't care about the process, then why are you commenting on it--to show how above it all you are? To imply that it's a waste of time or energy or something. If you don't care, why point out that you don't care? Why not simply ignore a thread about something about which you claim not to care. I never said that the award show processes are perfect. All we were talking about is how and why some things get attention and whether or not the process is fair. In some respects it's tainted, but I think that for the most part all those who vote on these things are trying to vote for shows and actors they think have done worthy work. But in regard to OITNB, the category-hopping taints the process. It's like a basketball team that's unable to compete in its division going to play in another division where there are fewer competitors or weaker competitors. Not a perfect analogy, but close enough. If you can't compete against the others in your category, simply submit yourself in a category where it's easier to stand out. We were talking about how OITNB has been rewarded for category hopping, even though many in the industry think it's unfair. That's an objective issue, not a "my favorite actor/actress didn't get nominated!" whine. Even without the skewed process, perhaps Jim or the others or TBBT would not get nominated. That be disappointing for the fans--you know, those of us ignorant enough to care--but at least it would be more fair in the process. All award shows are essentially judging apples and oranges since they're not doing a direct comparison of say 3 actors performing the same role to see whose version was better. But it's still about saying that this man or woman has been doing good work, or this show is really enjoyable, etc. And no, it doesn't mean that the award show is right when it acknowledges your favorite and wrong when it doesn't. But again, we were talking about what it is that a show like the GGs values. Again you are putting your own thoughts and my thought as writing huge posts quoting mine. I don't idolize actors because they are doing their job ... as simple as that And again the rules are formulated by the awards shows itself. So if OITNB is submitted in the category and award shows who are actually giving the awards unlike you are ok with it then I don't understand why for whatever reason you don't like it or think it is skewed. You say the awards shows are affected by the tendencies of voter bodies, I just put it more crudely in one of my posts that there are a lot of politics involved. It is one the reasons I don't care much about award shows. As far as me being here , I like to post things on online forums , that is one of my hobbie You seem to consistently write long long posts when some one says they don't this , they don't like that time and time again and again. Why don't you just block them . Follow your own advice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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