legacy99 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) I can't believe Kayley said on IG that this was one of the best and funniest espisode they had ever tape Edited May 8, 2015 by old sailor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Actually even though I would hate it, I would not be surprised if you were right. what I suggested seems to be the perfect solution for what happened in the finale.... And Penny tells there are no secrets between them.....really....i can name so many things which Penny looks like does not tell Leonard......the her thinking about dumping leonard the second time.... going to acting........ they are an awful couple right.....with Penny having some good qualities....but with leonard....none....pathetic whiny (penny never even tried to defend leonard when sheldon said he was whiny....so clearly penny thinks leonard is whiny once again...)....and top of it all....a cheater..... just awful..... and this show has gone from nerdy characters.....to cheating...breaking up..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I'm not even sure what to think about Lenny right now, season 7 started to destroy their magic and now season 8, I just don't see it anymore. We got a couple of good episodes but when you look at the whole season, those good episodes seem out of place. Leonard was just trashed this season, they made him look really bad and it does make you wonder why Penny is with him, because for someone who is engaged to him she didn't seen that enthused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) I hardly remember a scene this season where leonard and penny have discussed about their wedding or plans or living together without having Sheldon near them......lol I'm not even sure what to think about Lenny right now, season 7 started to destroy their magic and now season 8, I just don't see it anymore. We got a couple of good episodes but when you look at the whole season, those good episodes seem out of place. Leonard was just trashed this season, they made him look really bad and it does make you wonder why Penny is with him, because for someone who is engaged to him she didn't seen that enthused. as I said before ....the writers hardly are concerned about Leonard's character.....they themselves have said how whiny he is from more than one character on the show....one of them being his fiancee......... and now its quite official....leonard is pathetic and a cheater...... Edited May 8, 2015 by vasu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerMain Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) If Leonard was truly feeling guilty about the kiss he would have brought it up immediately, as we saw when he wanted to date Alice, the comic book artist. He went to Penny first (his true love) and then told Priya (his then current girl friend). Leonard had feelings for Alice and thought of him self as a "Good Guy" and wanted to have a clear heart. When Alex hit on him he was happy as could be but he felt zero need to tell Penny. Why bother? Alex meant nothing to him and was no threat to his releationship with the mother of his future "smart and beautiful" babies. He saw that Penny still reacted badly when she found out about it. Penny never wants anything to keep Leonard's attention away from her. So why would Leonard tell Penny about the kiss on the boat from 2 years ago? Unlike Alex, this was some woman he most likely will never see again. It meant nothing to him and he knows that it could possibly piss Penny off. He is about to get to the finish line of the great dream of his life, why endanger this now? Penny had every right to ask him if he was trying to sabotage the elopement. This was so totally out of the character's history and nonsensical for Leonard. This was done only to make a cliffhanger for the Lenny. Not well thought out. Edited May 8, 2015 by BangerMain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 The writers this season had no investment in the Leonard character, he was just used as the source of jokes and to make the Sheldon character funnier by abusing him. Penny abused him too, though not as much. I really didn't enjoy Leonard this season, it also lowered my enjoyment of Penny conversely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerMain Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) The writers this season had no investment in the Leonard character, he was just used as the source of jokes and to make the Sheldon character funnier by abusing him. Penny abused him too, though not as much. I really didn't enjoy Leonard this season, it also lowered my enjoyment of Penny conversely. It was almost as if the producers decided that at the beginning of season 8: "Leonard is developing too quickly". They got a three season pick-up so they didn't just slow Leonard's growth down, they put him in reverse. Instead of being the Alpha male of the group, the center of all social activity as was established in season 4, he became this whining omega man. Instead of deferring to Penny to keep her happy, he is subservient in almost every way. The writing of Leonard this season made me wonder if the writers were still aware of the character's personal history. Where was the Leonard who: * three times confronted Kurt for Penny * Kicked Sheldon off his App development project and defied him to present their joint paper * called out Penny for ruining his special Valentine's Day dinner for her * correctly predicted Penny's heart break for trying to be a full time actress, yet bought her a car so she could try anyway There are so many more examples of Leonard being wise and honorable and pragmatic, yet in the season 8 finale he does something that is so completely brain-dead you wonder if he remembers what he did yesterday much less last year. The only thing I can think is that the writers determined that this was Sheldon and Amy's season and Leonard would have to mark time circling around them to give them some room. There are two more season (most likely three) so Leonard can catch up to where he was later in the series run. Edited May 8, 2015 by BangerMain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meka3000 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 It was almost as if the producers decided that at the beginning of season 8: "Leonard is developing too quickly". They got a three season pick-up so they didn't just slow Leonard's growth down, they put him in reverse. Instead of being the Alpha male of the group, the center of all social activity as was established in season 4, he became this whining omega man. Instead of deferring to Penny to keep her happy, he is subservient in almost every way. The writing of Leonard this season made me wonder if the writers were still aware of the character's personal history. Where was the Leonard who: * three times confronted Kurt for Penny * Kicked Sheldon off his App development project and defied him to present their joint paper * called out Penny for ruining his special Valentine's Day dinner for her * correctly predicted Penny's heart break for trying to be a full time actress, yet bought her a car so she could try anyway Where does any of this contradict the Leonard that we saw this season? -What about when he convinced Penny that taking a relationship test wasn't important. -Or how about when he came up with the idea of a joint bank account. -Or him laying bear how Sheldon is the only nuisance that his keeping him from moving in with Penny, something that brought Sheldon to tears. -Or how he wasn't afraid to talk about idea vs. execution at Howards dinner, granted he eventually crossed the line. But he wasn't afraid to stick up for his beliefs. -Or his graduation speech about "the invisible guy". Just because he might have a moment or two where he doubts himself, or short changes himself (which he HAS been known to do sometimes), doesn't mean the character has regressed. Just because he hasn't moved forward in every aspect, doesn't mean the character has regressed, at least I'm not seeing where these claims of the character degressing are coming from, but that's just me. in the season 8 finale he does something that is so completely brain-dead you wonder if he remembers what he did yesterday much less last year. Maybe he saw it as a big enough deal at the time that he felt wiping the slate clean was more important than going in to a marriage with a secret that he could see as tainting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 kissing a girl and not telling it for 2 years....buying a recycled ring....and hiding it in a tiffany's box......geez.....how much more pathetic can leonard get...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meka3000 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 kissing a girl and not telling it for 2 years.... Kissing that HE PUT A STOP TO. I've explained elsewhere how I can buy Leonard keeping this a secret for years. buying a recycled ring....and hiding it in a tiffany's box...... Do you know for sure how much the ring cost? How do you know it was in a box? Sheldon bringing up the box, seemed more like a question than an actual statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldnavy Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I agree with Bangermain and SRAM. I think Leonard has been diminished this year and the season finale tonight is a perfect example. In season five and six Leonard was being showed to be the leader of the group , the "King of the Nerds". He did stand up to Penny and Sheldon but now he is simply whiny and dumb. The incident at Skywalker Ranch is one example even though it was Sheldon that got out and tried to run onto the property, Leonard was driving the car and allowed himself to be controlled by Sheldon and what happens they miss a conducting a very important lecture they were suppose to give. Tonight he ruins a good night with a confession about something that should not have been confessed at that time or it can be argued if he should ever brought it up at all, considering it had been two years since it had happened. I really hope they do a better job in season 9. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 Me too. If they are the creators of Leonard, they should at least know how to write him. The problem I see is that they always go for the cheap laugh rather than the reasonable choice based on canon. I presume a lot of apologists may say " but it is a comedy. It HAS to make us laugh." To that comment I respond that it is possible to make Leonard and the situations he's in funny while still maintaining canon and being true to who he is. It may be a little nit harder but by no means impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 Me too. If they are the creators of Leonard, they should at least know how to write him. The problem I see is that they always go for the cheap laugh rather than the reasonable choice based on canon. I presume a lot of apologists may say " but it is a comedy. It HAS to make us laugh." To that comment I respond that it is possible to make Leonard and the situations he's in funny while still maintaining canon and being true to who he is. It may be a little nit harder but by no means impossible. I'd also go as far to say that they way they write Leonard by going for the cheap laugh is no longer funny to many Leonard and Penny fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meka3000 Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 I'd also go as far to say that they way they write Leonard by going for the cheap laugh is no longer funny to many Leonard and Penny fans. I won't disagree that they've gone after Leonard for cheap laughs; but how is it any different to how they treat other characters like Sheldon, Howard, Raj, Amy, etc. Where has Leonard been treated any differently than the other main characters in terms of cheap laughs at the other main characters expense? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 but how is it any different to how they treat other characters like Sheldon, Howard, Raj, Amy, etc.Gee, I wasn't aware that it was a requirement to have to have the same feelings for how each of the characters were treated. Where has Leonard been treated any differently than the other main characters in terms of cheap laughs at the other main characters expense?Could be cause I don't give a shit about how the others are treated to get cheap laughs? Just like I'm sure there are those who don't care how Leonard and Penny are treated, and more power to them I say. If that is how they want to watch the show, fine with me. Now, I'm sure there is someone that will tell me how I'm watching it wrong because I care about Leonard and Penny and not so much about the other characters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 Last I checked this is the Leonard and Penny S8 so far, so why the fuck would we be discussing Raj, Amy, Sheldon, Howard or Bernadette? Pointless, right? What they have done to Leonard is IMO atrocious, and it shouldn't be that way. After a while you start asking yourself whether it's the same character or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 JMO but I got the feeling that sometimes Penny thinks Leonard isn't good enough for her Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 I'm really not okay with Leonard kissing another girl two years ago. 4 days later I'm still not happy as you can see from my avatar, still loading. I thought his love for Penny was unconditional and their relationship was based on mutual trust, shared values and a willingness to work on their relationship as shown since S6. This is so OOC of Leonard. Penny looked so defeated in the car my heart broke for her. I hope we get more details of what really happened and this girl initiated the kiss. I also want Leonard to explain in more details on the IT WAS JUST KISSING because that could mean it went on for awhile. I really hope they don't get married in vegas because they need to resolve this first and penny forgiving his transgression. again I hope they care enough for each other to overlook this small problem and work hard together to get over this and when they are in a good place again. I want it to be the happiest day of their lives when they do tie the knot with no regrets or doubts. Still Loading happiness. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 I don't hate Leonard over this but I do think the writers could have come up with at least a couple other options that didn't make Leonard act so out oc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 JMO but I got the feeling that sometimes Penny thinks Leonard isn't good enough for her I think this season he was reduced to something of a handbag. He was not the centre of her concerns. Which is odd, considering they are not married yet. After a couple of decades of marriage I'd find that more believable. The thing that hooked me about these two was that they were so dissimilar but so attracted to each other - irrevocably. But by pulling this "stunt" (Nog shouts *you bastards* and shakes fist at sky) TPTB killed that particular part of the fantasy. Now Leonard is like many other idiots who probably can't trust themselves at the work Christmas party, even though the event can be qualified in many directions. One thing that occurred to me however is that this season gave them practice for what would happen if, as I and many hope, that Penny finds great success with acting or Leonard becomes a rockstar physicist. They had a run at seeing how they would cope with separation (Leonard very badly) and wealth (Penny a bit selfishly). So they get to learn something. But in doing that, and buying more time in this way, TPTB crushed some other thing that was special. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I don't hate Leonard over this but I do think the writers could have come up with at least a couple other options that didn't make Leonard act so out ocMe too. I'd would have preferred if they sent penny away on that acting gig or just left it as will they or will they not? (On the journey to Vegas)but I guess the writer wanted lenny fans who hated S8 and may desert the show put this cliffhanger in place to draw them back for S9. But totally agree didn't have to go there. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Edited May 10, 2015 by Tonstar17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 I guess the writer wanted lenny fans who hated S8 and may desert the show put this cliffhanger in place to draw them back for S9. But totally agree didn't have to go there. Interesting, if that's what they were going for, it was a fail in my case. It has me questioning whether I even care about them as a couple anymore. I haven't given up yet, but seeds of doubt are there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 They could have had Penny to something like take but Leonard would have forgiven her to quick and this way she can go to the wise man again for advice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Interesting, if that's what they were going for, it was a fail in my case. It has me questioning whether I even care about them as a couple anymore. I haven't given up yet, but seeds of doubt are there. The way you say that is very close to what I feel, except I'm a little more pessimistic, because you know it's me. I can only think of one way to realistically save Leonard for me, that is if they come back unmarried and Leonard confessed to Sheldon that he lied to Penny to prevent the wedding. The reason could be his insecurity about Las Vegas weddings and he didn't want to marry her were she married Zack, but he didn't want to tell her no because of what happened when she proposed, because this was her idea too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathy2611 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 My husband is a casual viewer who's a one and done type. He's only missed a few this season and even though I have all of season 8 recorded, he doesn't care if he sees it or not. He's even noticed season 8 isn't as funny, what the hell is Penny wearing and what the hell did they do to Leonard? His jaw dropped in the finale when Leonard confessed to the kissing (and not in a good way). I even noticed the difference. I love how Shamy went but everything else was....not the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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