Anyone Of The Opinion That This Season Really Sucks?

[SRAM]

I wouldn't say the season sucks, it is more that the Lenny this season sucks. The rest of the characters have had a pretty good season, hell Amy and Sheldon exchanged 'I Love Yous' so that was great. I don't think you can rate a season till the end, but during the season you can complain when your ship is being handled badly by the writers.

[Nogravitasatall]

I wouldn't say the season sucks, it is more that the Lenny this season sucks. The rest of the characters have had a pretty good season, hell Amy and Sheldon exchanged 'I Love Yous' so that was great. I don't think you can rate a season till the end, but during the season you can complain when your ship is being handled badly by the writers.

I have a suspicion that if people in general (not the Shamy aficionados of course) tire of the Sheldonanigans, then TPTB have the option to throw the switch over to L/P and escalate their story. I think its a case of playing to their strengths and running what works, and not so much sticking to an idea out of say principle, or devotion. S8 would suck if it was the last season, but I can at least stupidly hope for a change of fortune. And watch "Castle", where they know how to stick with the concept.

[fitzsimmons]

I have a suspicion that if people in general (not the Shamy aficionados of course) tire of the Sheldonanigans, then TPTB have the option to throw the switch over to L/P and escalate their story. I think its a case of playing to their strengths and running what works, and not so much sticking to an idea out of say principle, or devotion. S8 would suck if it was the last season, but I can at least stupidly hope for a change of fortune. And watch "Castle", where they know how to stick with the concept.

 

Nah, Castle's changed it up this season.

[Nogravitasatall]

Nah, Castle's changed it up this season.

Yes, I agree  - if you mean they have gotten deeper into the existing setup and they havent diverted from the concept. It helps when the show is eponymous. TBBT had the latitude in its design to run off with Shamy and frolic there. The shows are different beasts, but at least Kate and Rick are always (hehe) centre stage. If they blow up Caskett they are really stuffed. IMHO. If you came for L/P you miss out now, but you can still come for Shamy.

Edited February 3, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[phantagrae]

Yes, I agree  - if you mean they have gotten deeper into the existing setup and they havent diverted from the concept. It helps when the show is eponymous. TBBT had the latitude in its design to run off with Shamy and frolic there. The shows are different beasts, but at least Kate and Rick are always (hehe) centre stage. If they blow up Caskett they are really stuffed. IMHO. If you came for L/P you miss out now, but you can still come for Shamy.

 

I think you can come to TBBT for any number of things, not just to swoon over a particular ship.  Though I love when Sheldon and Amy do something fun or significant together, I also enjoy everyone else's adventures, or just the funny lines that arise from whatever the situation is.

 

I think that if you're coming to any show for only one narrow reason, you're more likely to be disappointed because the writers may not be telling the story you want them to tell.  Characters may get killed off (especially if it's contract renegotiation time...) or circumstances may change, writers may want something different to happen than you want.

 

It's exactly what happened with something like the idea of a Shenny romance.  Some people wanted very badly for the writers to put Sheldon and Penny together, but that wasn't the story the writers are telling, so if that's all a viewer liked or wanted, they're bound to be disappointed.

 

I think that TBBT has more going for it than just this or that ship.  It really is full of funny stuff.  The shippy moments are icing.

[Nogravitasatall]

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I think that if you're coming to any show for only one narrow reason, you're more likely to be disappointed because the writers may not be telling the story you want them to tell.  Characters may get killed off (especially if it's contract renegotiation time...) or circumstances may change, writers may want something different to happen than you want.

 

It's exactly what happened with something like the idea of a Shenny romance.  Some people wanted very badly for the writers to put Sheldon and Penny together, but that wasn't the story the writers are telling, so if that's all a viewer liked or wanted, they're bound to be disappointed.

 

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This doesnt contradict my argument and if people like something, they like it. New Coke or olives  - its about preferences. TBBT is not the best thing since sliced bread nor a universal comedy, but I'm not even saying it sucks now. Im just saying if you like one ingredient in the pizza and that goes then maybe the substitute is not to your taste.

 

Golly.

 

edit: not worth a whole post but i feel like Im being told im having fun wrong LOL.

Edited February 3, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[Kasey]

 

 

Golly.

 

edit: not worth a whole post but i feel like Im being told im having fun wrong LOL.

 

This.  is.  priceless...

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

No.  It started off slow but it has since improved as the season went along and all the Episodes since the  Middle of October have been quit enjoyable. Last Week aside form The Prom was probably the best so far. 

 

Is it the best Season  ever? No. But I think it still funny. But not as funny as season 4-7. However as I have said before there is something different  about this season. 

 

Every long running show after Season 6 reach this stage where they start to run out of ideas, problems finding new jokes, etc,. Characters Grow and Change as does the show and the Show start to veer off course. By Season 7 they start to run out of steam. 

 

Some Examples 

 

.Friends turned into a Soap Opera. 

 

Seinfeld got Cartoonish 

 

Cheers Became more about the Bar (Many Cheers fans including myself prefer the Rebecca Years) 

 

Roseanne got Wacky. 

 

M*A*S*H became more Slapstick humor 

[Tensor]

I'm a bit puzzled by this, if a show is changing, how is it running out of ideas? If I hey kept recycling the same plots for the same characters, that's where it would seem to be running out of ideas. Part of the strength of the show is that they added girlfriends for the guys. While Howard and Bernadette got engaged, then got married, and the struggles and situations may be the same for Lenny and Shamy, the reactions to those situations will be different for Lenny and Shamy. In addition, the differences in the couples will also bring up different situations. For example, I can't see Amy getting mad at Sheldon because of his various sexcapades, like Bernadette got mad at Howard.

[Kasey]

 For example, I can't see Amy getting mad at Sheldon because of his various sexcapades

 

Wait....What sexcapades?

[Kathy2611]

Wait....What sexcapades?

It's sarcasm

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[Kasey]

It's sarcasm

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Yeah I know.  So was my reply.  Where's Disgusted's sign?

[Tensor]

No, I was talking about all his time at the sperm bank...

[Tensor]

• • I know I will get MAULED for this, but I personally thinks Penny looks better with long hair. I'm not a fan of her new hair, but that's me. 

Nah, you won't get mauled for that. What some have gotten mauled for was their insistence that the haircut has affected Kaley's acting or has somehow affected how funny the show is.

As for your last point. I need less Sheldon and more Lenny, but that's just me.

[Dayton Lavon Kitchens]

You know, as soon as I post this they end up with arguably the best episode of the season.   From the genuinely touching part of Leonard and Sheldon working together (and under attack together) to the girls trying to gleefully one up one another in the embarrassment dept.  this episode had it all.

[Irene]

You know, as soon as I post this they end up with arguably the best episode of the season. From the genuinely touching part of Leonard and Sheldon working together (and under attack together) to the girls trying to gleefully one up one another in the embarrassment dept. this episode had it all.

Well, then...please complain more! We could use more episodes like last night's!

[JohnPhD]

Yes. I'm basing this on the first 10 episodes; I don't know when I'll be able to see any more, I guess all TBBT fans in the UK can agree that whatever we think of Season 8, the C4 schedulers really, really suck. So possibly it picks up from episode 11.

 I get the impression that the creators weren't expecting another season and don't know what to do with it. The long story arc of Leonard winning Penny was complete in Season 7 with L&P's engagement. Their relationship is now static and has pretty well eliminated the Sheldon-Leonard relationship. I thought the most entertaining of the 3 was Penny and Sheldon, but that's also gone. So what can they all do for 3 more seasons?

 

Conversely, the Amy and Sheldon relationship has started to develop in a quite unconvincing way. It was just a running gag with Amy trying to trick or cajole Sheldon into giving her more than he wanted to (I'm sure many others have noticed the similarity to Lucy and Schroeder in Peanuts). When Sheldon said "I love you too" I thought that was the saddest line in all TBBT because it shows the writers have no respect for the character they've created. It was as though Sheldon had been replaced by a Pod Person as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

Also, Sheldon and Amy have become normal. They were even playing a normal game that anyone might, instead of one of their made-up games. The previous Amy was hateful, but normal Amy is just boring.

 

The season started with a cop-out. After the real ending in Season 7, where Leonard and Penny walked out of the station as a couple leaving Sheldon to look for a new life, S just tamely comes back to Pasadena. I think a spin-off (like Frasier out of Cheers) would have been better. Just as an example suppose Sheldon hade been discovered working at Princeton and living with he newly-divorced Beverly Hofstadter. Lots of comic potential there.

[Tensor]

 

 I get the impression that the creators weren't expecting another season and don't know what to do with it. The long story arc of Leonard winning Penny was complete in Season 7 with L&P's engagement. 

 

Just so you know, it was announced early last year that TBBT would be moving to Monday's then returning to Thursday, prior to any announcement of renewal.  They were in negotiation for renewal,  so the creators and show runner knew the show would be around for at least season 8.  Additionally, after that, the show had been renewed for three years prior to the end of  season 7.

[Nogravitasatall]

......because it shows the writers have no respect for the character they've created. It was as though Sheldon had been replaced by a Pod Person as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

Also, Sheldon and Amy have become normal.....

 

Yes, and it appears to have delighted millions. But I miss s1-4. L/P were intense and Sheldon was uniquely weird. Those days are gone. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. Onwards -  and hope for new things, I guess.

[Guest StoicPhilosopher]

The long story arc of Leonard winning Penny was complete in Season 7 with L&P's engagement. 

 

Conversely, the Amy and Sheldon relationship has started to develop in a quite unconvincing way. It was just a running gag with Amy trying to trick or cajole Sheldon into giving her more than he wanted to (I'm sure many others have noticed the similarity to Lucy and Schroeder in Peanuts). When Sheldon said "I love you too" I thought that was the saddest line in all TBBT because it shows the writers have no respect for the character they've created. It was as though Sheldon had been replaced by a Pod Person as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

 

 

That's where you're wrong. It's not over until they officially tie the knot... When they are at the altar and say their vows. When they finally have kids that are 'smart and beautiful'.

 

Shamy is not boring. People grow and change in a relationship (It's good writing!), and Sheldon is no exception. I'll admit, I was getting tired of old, snarky, robotic, emotionless Sheldon. Seeing him open up and change for Amy, was what turned this show 'round for me. I love it. Normal Amy is not boring - She's changed. I'd rather her this way than when she was weirdly obsessed with Penny. 

 

I applaud the writers for what they have done with Shamy.... Not what they've done for Lenny. 

[The Lash]

Yes. I'm basing this on the first 10 episodes; I don't know when I'll be able to see any more, I guess all TBBT fans in the UK can agree that whatever we think of Season 8, the C4 schedulers really, really suck. So possibly it picks up from episode 11.

 I get the impression that the creators weren't expecting another season and don't know what to do with it. The long story arc of Leonard winning Penny was complete in Season 7 with L&P's engagement. Their relationship is now static and has pretty well eliminated the Sheldon-Leonard relationship. I thought the most entertaining of the 3 was Penny and Sheldon, but that's also gone. So what can they all do for 3 more seasons?

 

Conversely, the Amy and Sheldon relationship has started to develop in a quite unconvincing way. It was just a running gag with Amy trying to trick or cajole Sheldon into giving her more than he wanted to (I'm sure many others have noticed the similarity to Lucy and Schroeder in Peanuts). When Sheldon said "I love you too" I thought that was the saddest line in all TBBT because it shows the writers have no respect for the character they've created. It was as though Sheldon had been replaced by a Pod Person as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

Also, Sheldon and Amy have become normal. They were even playing a normal game that anyone might, instead of one of their made-up games. The previous Amy was hateful, but normal Amy is just boring.

 

The season started with a cop-out. After the real ending in Season 7, where Leonard and Penny walked out of the station as a couple leaving Sheldon to look for a new life, S just tamely comes back to Pasadena. I think a spin-off (like Frasier out of Cheers) would have been better. Just as an example suppose Sheldon hade been discovered working at Princeton and living with he newly-divorced Beverly Hofstadter. Lots of comic potential there.

 

 

True D'at

 

I gave up on Channel 4 (and E4) and watch online. It's the only way

[phantagrae]

Yes. I'm basing this on the first 10 episodes; I don't know when I'll be able to see any more, I guess all TBBT fans in the UK can agree that whatever we think of Season 8, the C4 schedulers really, really suck. So possibly it picks up from episode 11.

 I get the impression that the creators weren't expecting another season and don't know what to do with it. The long story arc of Leonard winning Penny was complete in Season 7 with L&P's engagement. Their relationship is now static and has pretty well eliminated the Sheldon-Leonard relationship. I thought the most entertaining of the 3 was Penny and Sheldon, but that's also gone. So what can they all do for 3 more seasons?

 

Conversely, the Amy and Sheldon relationship has started to develop in a quite unconvincing way. It was just a running gag with Amy trying to trick or cajole Sheldon into giving her more than he wanted to (I'm sure many others have noticed the similarity to Lucy and Schroeder in Peanuts). When Sheldon said "I love you too" I thought that was the saddest line in all TBBT because it shows the writers have no respect for the character they've created. It was as though Sheldon had been replaced by a Pod Person as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

Also, Sheldon and Amy have become normal. They were even playing a normal game that anyone might, instead of one of their made-up games. The previous Amy was hateful, but normal Amy is just boring.

 

The season started with a cop-out. After the real ending in Season 7, where Leonard and Penny walked out of the station as a couple leaving Sheldon to look for a new life, S just tamely comes back to Pasadena. I think a spin-off (like Frasier out of Cheers) would have been better. Just as an example suppose Sheldon hade been discovered working at Princeton and living with he newly-divorced Beverly Hofstadter. Lots of comic potential there.

 

There are so many fallacies in this post that it's either laughable or sad.

 

I agree with Stoic Philosopher that the Lenny story is by no means over.  I don't think the writers are going to do anything like break them up, but they're also not going to rush them to the altar, either.

 

Since they do have 2 more seasons to go before they have to take that step, they're not going to rush to it.  Same thing with the Shamy relationship.  These are the big highlights that many audience members are waiting for, but if it happens right away, what then?

How many marriage/relationship jokes can one do?  I think we saw some of that with Howardette--you can only make so many newlywed/getting used to each other jokes before it starts to sound like the marriage was a mistake or whatever.  And then some audience members would want them to start adding babies and so forth.

 

Rather than run down that slope, the writers have chosen to tell a few other kinds of stories that don't hinge on a too-early payoff for those big-ticket items.

 

As for Sheldon's train journey, it was never meant to be a real game changer--just like the guys going to the North Pole, Howard's space adventure, or Leonard's trip to sea.  They were just interesting ideas to drive a few episodes--or in the case of Howard, to fuel a few things.

I think that Howard's case is separate because he's not one of the "big 3" and his story can progress at a different pace than everyone else's.

 

Even so, his trip to space didn't really change the fundamentals of who Howard is--he was weak and chicken and bullied a bit both before and after his space adventure.  And now even though he's got a tiny bit of cachet because he's been in space, he's still weak and chicken and kind of bullied.

 

None of the guys have really been fundamentally changed by these adventures, and they weren't meant to be, IMO.

I think that some of the things that happened after their subsequent returns changed--Leonard found that Penny wanted him romantically when he returned from the North Pole, Howard got married and moved out of his mother's house, Sheldon learned a bit about his relationship with Amy (and has apparently made some emotional progress on that front)

 

I think you're idea that Sheldon running off on the train was supposed to mean his character was going to be leaving the show is ridiculous--and especially your idea for a spinoff with Beverly.  Why the heck would he want to do that?  Did you actually watch the S7 finale?

 

I think that the Shamy relationship has begun to develop in a real way.  Sheldon has struggled with a few things--his pride, his emotions, and his issues with physical intimacy on various levels.

They often joke about Sheldon being prepubescent and now he's finally sort of begun to hit puberty.  And because Amy really does love him, she's stopped pushing and pressuring him.

We've often talked about Sheldon and Amy being like two junior high kids--just beginning to think about this bf/gf thing, experimenting with things like holding hands and chaste kisses.  Now they're working on their emotional bond and Sheldon is dropping some of his outer defenses, being able to admit his love for her being a BIG one.

If their relationship is to progress at all, letting go of pride and being willing to be emotionally vulnerable is one of the key elements.  I think they've progressed to high school--and the prom episode kind of underscores that for them more than for anyone.

 

At any rate, I think the season is making sensible progress.  I do agree that they're kind of treading water with Leonard and Penny, but again, it seems they're giving themselves some room to sort of dally with other stories and other relationships.

They've got all kinds of time to get L&P to the altar.

[meka3000]

Conversely, the Amy and Sheldon relationship has started to develop in a quite unconvincing way. It was just a running gag with Amy trying to trick or cajole Sheldon into giving her more than he wanted to (I'm sure many others have noticed the similarity to Lucy and Schroeder in Peanuts). When Sheldon said "I love you too" I thought that was the saddest line in all TBBT because it shows the writers have no respect for the character they've created. It was as though Sheldon had been replaced by a Pod Person as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

You mean the same Sheldon that told Amy to get off her bed after saying those words, even though she was having a panic attack?  That sounds like Sheldon to me.

[stardustmelody]

I am loving this season so far and Season 6 was the worst for me.  Other than possibly 2-3 episodes I really disliked that whole season.   It was important and in hindsight I can appreciate what they were doing in that season, but it is one I never re-watch.   I love this season.   Still Seasons 4-5 are my favorite seasons.   But this has brought back so much of what I liked about about the first five seasons and it feels great to have it back.   Seasons 6 & 7 strayed a bit for me...got too angsty.  But now it has been fun and used the cast well.   I would say the only person that has been not utilized very well this season is Simon but he also was busy promoting his film a lot this year.  So perhaps that may have impacted his availability and they wrote according to his schedule.

 

But I have been very happy with all the aired episodes thus far.   

[rachelshamyfan]

As a fellow UK based fan, I would do what others do and watch online!

By the time e4 starts showing it again with the new episodes it will be beginning of April and the Christmas episode....