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824 The Commitment Determination (May 7)

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I cried like it was my own relationship break that happened.

 

1. Leonard and Penny - What he did on the boat isn't enough of a reason to throw him down the pits of hell, but delaying saying it and coming clean at a time like that is alarming  and counts as emotional cheating. If it didn't really matter to him and did bother him a lot, he should have told Penny the soon as he got off the research expedition. Telling it on the day you're supposed to get married is like adding salt to the wound. If they didn't decide to elope, would he have told Penny about it? I'm pretty sure he will prefer to keep it to himself as long as he can.

 

2. Howard, Bernadette, and Stuart - I'm expecting big changes in the Wolowitz household with Stuart living there.

 

3. Koothrappali and Emily - For some reason, I still don't see any romantic chemistry between these two. Raj, for the first time in his life,is the "breaker" instead of the "breakee", and he doesn't know how to do it. I'm afraid this will drag on until season 9. I'm not really sure how a pair bond between a sweet,sensitive guy and a mysterious girl with a dark side work, unless the writers will explore this more in the next season.

 

4. Sheldon and Amy - I've read the taping reports many times, YET I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THIS. I wasn't prepared how hard hitting the break is. I understand Amy's side, wanting a break (I would too, if that happened to me). I think what sort of bothered me is she sort of left Sheldon hanging, though I think it is a good plot to drive for next season 9. Sheldon coming to terms of what he truly feels for Amy and, despite of the lack of explanation on Amy's sudden need for a break, he will do everything to win her back, no matter how ridiculous or awkward it may be.

 

Excuse me while I watch it again and cry again....

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Excellent episode. True it was sad but stories are not very interesting if they are always rainbows and Unicorns.

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What an episode, really emotional one.

Although the fact that Amy needs to reevaluate her relationship is breaking my heart (for both of them), I do think they needed this.

I felt this was coming for Shamy since season 7, so lets hope they can have a serious talk and work at their relationship together.

 

Agreed while Shamy has had a great year.  I think that not only Sheldon but also Amy have ALOT to learn in terms of this relationship.  Sheldon needs to learn to be more unconditionally loving towards Amy and try to understand what specific things does she hold more sacred, and how sacred should HE hold them along with her.  Yes he has a ring, but that doesn't prove to me that he is READY for the next step, just that he WANTS to make the next step.

 

On Amy's side, if she is going to accept a relationship with Sheldon, she's going to have to come to terms with Sheldon and ALL OF HIS WARTS.  Try and come to terms with the fact that they're some things about Sheldon that she just can't change.

 

I think both Amy & Sheldon can rekindle things BUT ONLY if they make an effort to meet each other half way.

 

 

 

Regarding Lenny, I think they should reevalute their relationship too, they aren't ready to get married. They need to get everything out, talk about it and then give each other enough time to process it all.

 

I agree they aren't ready to get married, at least in Vegas in the next 72 hours.

 

While I am mad at Leonard (mostly for him keeping this secret until now), I don't see anything that has been given to us that says he is beyond redemption in this episode, so he made a drunk mistake.  Penny made MANY drunk mistakes. Yet most here have been able to get past all of that.  Why is Leonard the exception to this?

 

But I think their problem is mostly an understated one. This is my own personal headcanon but the reason I think they haven't done much talk about the wedding is because The First Pitch Insufficiency but the fear of marriage in their head.  The more they talk about wedding details the more those fears could possibly come up in the back of their minds.  It also might be why they might want to do this vegas wedding because that way the fear is short lived.

 

I'm hoping that starting next season, they talk about this along with the aftermath of Leonard confessing his drunken mistake.

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Excellent episode. True it was sad but stories are not very interesting if they are always rainbows and Unicorns.

I could handle the sadness but this episode really was too far fetched. Leonard cheating on Penny. That's like saying the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series. Amy during the tag looking like a family member died. again just over the top. Raj thinking of dumping Emily just because of her dark side but willingly going along with it all this time and saying nothing. I will say this episode prove that these three couples need to find a way of talking to one another.
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I agree.  I don't think Leonard would ever cheat on Penny.  Especially when things were going good.

 

The Shamy kiss was so cut back from what was at the taping.  The whole situation just made me really sad.    I think they are going to draw this out a bit, especially in light of the articles saying how this was going to "ripple".  It just feels like a really sad way to end the season.  Sadness for the two major couples...

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HATED it. Absolutely HATED it.

 

There were many ways they could have ended on a cliffhanger and still given the audience (who just like Amy Farrah Fowler have been damn patient for a lot of years while emotionally investing in these characters) at least one or two moments of happy ending here or there.

 

They could have ended the show with Sheldon holding a ring without a teary soap opera breakup that came out of the clear blue. They could also have ended it with an equally nervous and adorable Leonard and Penny standing at the alter in Vegas unsure of whether they were going to go through with it or not. This sudden OOC "confession" that was retconned in from seasons back just for shock value was completely ridiculous and unnecessary.

 

Instead, they manufactured a bunch of fake dramas just for the sake of it. What is more, none of them felt remotely realistic because none of them felt true to the characters or the story. It was just a bunch of bad writing IMO. (Though I will add that all of the actors did a beautiful job with the material they were given. That was at least one good thing I can say.)

 

How was Leonard doing something under the influence, OOC.

 

Also how is Amy breaking up with Sheldon after all the things she's put up with from Sheldon over the years not true to her character?  The woman clearly reached a point where the straw broke the camels back, and she decided she needed to re examine herself AND her relationship.  Sheldon's lucky she didn't break it off after he left on the train at the end of last season.

I am baffled by how they treated Lenny. What the actual fuck? Why did they need to put drama on their relationship again? It was going great! I honestly cannot believe that after years of Leonard pining for Penny, he just kisses some smoking lady while away at work, right after Penny FINALLY tells him she loves him. I am beyond pissed.

 

Again alcohol can impair ones judgement to the point that they can do stupid things.  Just ask Penny? ;)

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How was Leonard doing something under the influence, OOC.

 

 

Again alcohol can impair ones judgement to the point that they can do stupid things.  Just ask Penny? ;)

So if I understand your logic a drunk driver gets a free pass if he hits a pedestrian with his car simply because he's under the influence?
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Penny saying that there are no secrets in their relationship ....... really I had to laugh at that.....

 

there are so many things that penny seemed to have never mentioned to leonard.....like her thinking of dumping him once again.......her going to acting......etc etc

 

 

and penny saying their marriage being not about other but only about them.....really the exact opposite seems was her reason for them to delay the marriage in the first place........

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So if I understand your logic a drunk driver gets a free pass if he hits a pedestrian with his car simply because he's under the influence?

 

Where did I say he does?  Your also comparing nearly different scenarios.  Causing physical harm to someone is different than being emotionally dishonest.  Different levels of damage.

 

Also where did I say Leonard was 100% off the hook for his actions?

 

All I'm saying is why would Penny make a rash decision regarding their relationship when SHE OF ALL PEOPLE can relate to doing stupid things under the influence of alcohol? And not just ONE TIME like Leonard supposedly did, MANY TIMES.

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Penny saying that there are no secrets in their relationship ....... really I had to laugh at that.....

 

there are so many things that penny seemed to have never mentioned to leonard.....like her thinking of dumping him once again.......

I'm not sure that was what Leonard had asked her. I thought it related to if she kissed a guy or any similar indescretions while being together.

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I'm not sure that was what Leonard had asked her. I thought it related to if she kissed a guy or any similar indescretions while being together.

 

i thought she said no secrets before leonard even said anything about the kiss.....

 

so I was talking about penny saying no secrets (before leonard even told anything..)

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there are so many things that penny seemed to have never mentioned to leonard.....like her thinking of dumping him once again.......

 

She brought this up to him in the vacation solution, " I think about a lot of things. I think about us getting married, I think about us breaking up."

 

Which matches her state of mind in the relationship flucuation In that she never said she had made up her mind one way or another, just that she was confused.

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Where did I say he does?  Your also comparing nearly different scenarios.  Causing physical harm to someone is different than being emotionally dishonest.  Different levels of damage.

 

Also where did I say Leonard was 100% off the hook for his actions?

 

All I'm saying is why would Penny make a rash decision regarding their relationship when SHE OF ALL PEOPLE can relate to doing stupid things under the influence of alcohol, and not just ONE TIME, MANY TIMES.

your general statement about Penny is true but this is comparing under the influence actions while the two were together. At this point Penny had made no decision period. It just another way to delay the wedding.

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She brought this up to him in the vacation solution, " I think about a lot of things. I think about us getting married, I think about us breaking up."

 

Which matches her state of mind in the relationship flucuation In that she never said she had made up her mind one way or another, just that she was confused.

 

then why not  tell leonard at that point of time or even later.....if i remember correctly she told sheldon to not to tell leonard......seems like a secret to me.....

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i thought she said no secrets before leonard even said anything about the kiss.....

She said, "We can just go for it (the marriage) with no surprises and no regrets.

 

so I was talking about penny saying no secrets (before leonard even told anything..)

There was nothing about no secrets until Leonard said he didn't want any secrets. And I'm not sure why thinking about breaking up with him back in season six (when they were just boyfriend and girl friend, before she even could say she loved him), actually matters, as she didn't and has stayed with him.

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then why not  tell leonard at that point of time or even later.....if i remember correctly she told sheldon to not to tell leonard......seems like a secret to me.....

 

She also told Sheldon that she had alot to figure out, which suggests that she hadn't come to any concrete conclusion one way or another as far as where her feelings for Leonard stood (of course that clarity came 3 episodes later when she visited his lab).  So why tell Leonard anything either way then?  Especially when he could misinterpret her words, like Amy seemingly did when she told Sheldon about Penny's issues.

 

Once it became water under the bridge for Penny, I don't see why it was any longer a big deal.

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then why not  tell leonard at that point of time or even later.....if i remember correctly she told sheldon to not to tell leonard......seems like a secret to me.....

Yep, she told Sheldon she had a lot of things to figure out, and she didn't want him to tell Leonard until she figured things out.

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She said, "We can just go for it (the marriage) with no surprises and no regrets.

 

oh was it..... then my bad.....

 

She also told Sheldon that she had alot to figure out, which suggests that she hadn't come to any concrete conclusion one way or another as far as where her feelings for Leonard stood (of course that clarity came 3 episodes later when she visited his lab).  So why tell Leonard anything either way then?  Especially when he could misinterpret her words, like Amy seemingly did when she told Sheldon about Penny's issues.

 

Once it became water under the bridge for Penny, I don't see why it was any longer a big deal.

 

why?? she almost dumped him once again....would'nt leonard be concerned.....

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why?? she almost dumped him once again....would'nt leonard be concerned.....

Why should he be concerned? That was before she said she loved him, not to mention it was at a time where they was a bit awkwardness in the relationship after Leonard's proposal in bed. She actually broke up with him when she couldn't say I love you, she got past his proposal without actually breaking up with him and continued on to say she loves him and accept a proposal.

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Why should he be concerned? That was before she said she loved him, not to mention it was at a time where they was a bit awkwardness in the relationship after Leonard's proposal in bed. She actually broke up with him when she couldn't say I love you, she got past his proposal without actually breaking up with him and continued on to say she loves him and accept a proposal.

if he got to know this now....would'nt he be concerned that he almost got dumped again.....

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....

 

Again alcohol can impair ones judgement to the point that they can do stupid things.  Just ask Penny? ;)

 

Indeed.

...or ask many of the people in court over domestic disputes.

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if he got to know this now....would'nt he be concerned that he almost got dumped again.....

 

Again, she's since told him she loves him (something she hadn't done at the time)  and accepted a proposal (after turning down multiple ones).  That hardly sounds like someone who would dump him now.  

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Again, she's since told him she loves him (something she hadn't done at the time)  and accepted a proposal (after turning down multiple ones).  That hardly sounds like someone who would dump him now.

by that logic penny should not also be concerned about the kissing because they were not engaged at that time....and after that he declared his *love* for her so many times and proposed to her...

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kissing a girl and not telling it for 2 years....

buying a recycled ring....and hiding it in a tiffany's box......and lying to his own fiancee.....

geez.....how much more pathetic can leonard get......and how many more secrets he has....

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Even after being spoiled, I feel like I need time to process how I feel about these developments.  Maybe it's a sign of a quality story that it elicits such strong emotions.

 

What I do know is, I hate the lack of interaction between the storylines.  It has happened repeatedly this season, including just last week.  The show is starting to feel like two different series:  L/P/S/A and R/H/B.  Please, writers, once you resolve these cliffhangers, can we mix it up a little more?  

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