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824 The Commitment Determination (May 7)

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good job chuck

 

i was spoiled, but what a wow factor for a final.

 

the problems will not be fixed in the first few episode

maybe around nov. sweeps we have 2 years. plus i

keep thinking about what tensor said they could have

season #11 in the bank if needed.

 

great job by kaley, mayim, jim

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OK.

 

It's been two weeks since the taping report. I've read a lot of posts like yours explaining what I'm going to call the " last straw " theory.

 

I'm not buying it one second. Talking about a TV show in the middle of a make out session is not worth a break. And I'm convinced that no one here can convince me that this is a good explanation. And now that I've seen the episode it's even worse, I don't feel for Amy at all.

 

So don't waste your time, and let's agree to disagree because I won't waste my time explaining for ever why this scenario is very bad in my opinion.

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The Shamy situation was serious and life altering. Where's the BAZINGA?

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Totally. If Amy decides to have a break because of a simple line about a TV show ( when Sheldon did so much worse in the past... ) maybe we should question the solidity of their couple.

 

I mean I would never do that. I would be very upset but not to the point of deciding of a break with my boyfriend or needing to reevaluate our situation. Come on! It's just a TV show, and it's Sheldon...

 

And if a friend told me she decided of a break for that reason, I would think she's very whimsy, or looking for a pretext to break up. I can't think of a serious way of considering it otherwise.

 

OK, now I'm done with that conversation.

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Totally. If Amy decides to have a break because of a simple line about a TV show ( when Sheldon did so much worse in the past... ) maybe we should question the solidity of their couple.

 

I mean I would never do that. I would be very upset but not to the point of deciding of a break with my boyfriend or needing to reevaluate our situation. Come on! It's just a TV show, and it's Sheldon...

 

And if a friend told me she decided of a break for that reason, I would think she's very whimsy, or looking for a pretext to break up. I can't think of a serious way of considering it otherwise.

 

OK, now I'm done with that conversation.

I think Amy's been more then patient, and it looks like things are finally moving forward. It's their five year anniversary, they're really going at it, and a bucket of cold water is thrown in her face. It's not a simple line about a TV show to her. It's about is Sheldon ever going to be into the relationship as much as she is. I think he is, but still not able to communicate it very well. I think she just needs time to reevaluate her situation. I don't see it as a break up, but we'll know more when season 9 starts. 

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Agree to disagree. The break is not about the tv show, this was just the catalyst that brought to the surface Amy's doubts about Sheldon's comittment to her.

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Agreed. Seems pretty obvious to me, and to anyone who hasn't watching the show with blinders on.

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Hi, finally, I must write something longer, because after watching the finale I had no words and wtf?! tag is on my face. The episode is written like cheap soap opera, I believe the writers wanted to do big drama on the end of the season only to attract more viewers to watch s9e1. It was unnecessary, especially because threads were unbelievable and nonsensical, I mean Lenny and Shamy(!)  threads (I'm not interested in other relationships). Later about it.

 

The episode has some pros. Great, funny opener scene and Lenny-Sheldon interaction. Once I thought how Sheldon engagement could look like. And the first thing I thought was: writers, please, use LotR theme. The last scene of the episode... so, maybe it wasnt engagement, but still its great they use this theme, it fits very with Sheldon (I bet they get engaged on Comic-Con with One Ring replica, but because Amy calls all Sheldon likes childish it is impossible). And the last good thing in this episode was real drama between Shamy. S8 was sometimes too dull, too perfect, there werent real big quarrels between them, so I think isolation will turn out ok for them and for whole tv show. It is a new area for new funny scenes. But...

 

now two total misunderstandings of the finale: no 2 is Leonards confession and the big momma no 1 – Amys reaction in the last scene. About no 2 I just totally dont buy it. It doesnt fit with Leonard character at all. He would not be able to hide it so long. In s8 and earlier he didnt look like a man with guilty conscience. And BAM! Illogical, unnecessary, unconvincing drama.

 

And the icing on the cake – Amys reaction. Like I said, I want some perturbations between Sheldon and Amy, but placed on firm basis, not something like this we got in this episode. And as I quite liked her, so now I'm very angry on her and former Shamy fan. I read many things in Shamy thread and in this topic, but still it looks simply for me: she needs time to think, because very-Sheldon text about Flash. So, she needs time to think, because after 5 years with him she discovered that Sheldon is Sheldon. Now? Because of one stupid question? Oh, REALLY? Bad timing. Illogical, unnecessary, unconvincing drama. Earlier she had greater reasons to break up/think. I mean Valentines Day in the train with friend named Eric – the best moment for great drama, anyway (I love that word^^), somebody mention this scene. And that does not surprise me and anyone else, I think.

 

We know how it will look like in s9: he will try to prove to her that it deserves or something, because it is always Sheldons fault and Amy is always fair, patient and all... But I want interpret her step back declaration as admission she isnt ready for serious relationship with Sheldon. She received so many surprising, positive and – for Sheldon – milestones things from him, that she just scared. We dont know how far they would go on the couch and what great he wanted tell her during videochat (add there the ring in the desk and his talk with Lenny earlier). So, for her own wish, she miss two great things for Sheldon – shame on You, Amy. I dont tell he is perfect, because we all know he isnt, but she cant expect he will change everything in his behavior, because it wont be Sheldon, the same man and she should know it. I see he is trying hard, he has problems with communication, but still he is doing things that he has never thought he will do. But, what is Amy doing? A lot of talking, a little of doing. And I hope, she just realized, that maybe is something wrong with her, that she is immature and childish with her vision of romantic relationship with a man, which isnt simply a romantic man. And maybe she will try harder in s9, because Sheldon did. A lot of.

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The first few episodes of S9 will determine how I ultimately feel. They may redeem themselves and end up with a good story.

 

Or it could end up like That 70s Show where I just cut my own personal relationship with it a little short and pretend the last year or two of the series never happened.

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If Amy had reached a breaking point, it would have been after Sheldon's train trip or after he filled the Mars application.

 

NOW is totally out of place. If the writers wanted to have a Shamy break as a GOOD cliffhanger, they should have made the Mars application episode without the reconciliation as the last episode.

Having a break just because of a line when he did so much worse in the past is so weird and sounds illogical. I don't buy it. I just can't.

 

The mars application was resolved when Sheldon came around and included Amy.

Sheldon has not come around to appreciate Amy's point of view this time, yet. I expect some break could in fact help him appreciate Amy's situation better. Leonard's absence helped Penny appreciate Leonard more when he went on the polar expedition (we have essentially the same writers). Recalling Amy's reaction to a tiara.....   ....well how do you think she will react to a ring?

 

 

I mean really, what we have here in this cliff hanger like the climax of The Return of the Jedi when it appears that Luke is about to be destroyed by force lightning, the new death star is surprisingly fully operational and Han and Leia's ground crew has been captured. Or the Climax of The Princes Bride when Inigo Montoya has been hit in the stomach by a knife, Buttercup is about to kill herself and the almost dead Man in Black is confronted Prince Humperdinck.

 

 

Buttercup kisses the King's cheek

King:  What was that for?

Buttercup:  Because you've always been so kind to me, and I won't be seeing you again, since I'm killing myself once we reach the honeymoon suite.

Chase.  Fezzik looks for Westley.  More chases.  Rugen pulls a dagger from his boot and throws it into Inigo's stomach.

Inigo:  Falls against wall. Sorry, father. I tried. I tried.

Count Rugen:  You must be that little Spanish brat I taught a lesson to all those years ago. Simply incredible. Have you been chasing me your whole life, only to fail now? I think that's the worst thing I've ever heard. How marvelous.

Inigo slides to the ground.

 

I'm counting on you knowing what happens next but it is here http://www.princessbride.8m.com/script.htm

 

or here

 

Just a fools hope

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Agree to disagree. The break is not about the tv show, this was just the catalyst that brought to the surface Amy's doubts about Sheldon's comittment to her.

if she really had doubts about commitment it should been way before now. This "break" could of happened a long time ago. what other woman would put up with his crap? No one. Amy holds all the cards in the deck. Sheldon has nothing.
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The first few episodes of S9 will determine how I ultimately feel. They may redeem themselves and end up with a good story.

 

Or it could end up like That 70s Show where I just cut my own personal relationship with it a little short and pretend the last year or two of the series never happened.

 

Yeah I like to pretend Topher Grace didn't leave that show just to appear in Spider-Man 3 as well. :p

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After seeing the finale my opinion on the Amy character has changed she now a cliché type character she wants a "normal boyfriend" rather than the guy she claims she "loves" and if she truly want just that then she with the wrong guy. Leonard and Penny honestly I don't know why they're even together their relationship (or lack their of) is just really irritating to watch.

 

 

 

I hope in season 9 Penny and Sheldon can comfort each other through this I know they wont get together but I want to see how Penny and Sheldon deal through this.

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^^^^^

mysteryrose, as Penny and Sheldon are the two innocent and aggrieved parties in both these finale matters, I have no doubt that TPTB are setting us up for plenty of Season 9 Shenny goodness!

They gave us plenty in Season 8 what with the 'wave if warmth' they shared (or whatever it was Penny said to Sheldon when they were trying their love experiment). So, if nothing else, I am fully confident we will have plenty o' Shenny moments!

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 Hi 5mississppis I cant tell if your being sarcastic or being serious but i'll play along I do hope I see Penny and Sheldon comfort each other through in season 9  I never said Penny and Sheldon were innocent... but I really don't understand why Penny and Leonard are together at this point if you can explain it to me I would be more than appreciative. 

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I hope Sheldon and Penny don't comfort each other.  Been there done that plenty of times.   This is one time that it would be very WRONG for them to commiserate.  It will just lead to more issues down the road.  

 

it is time that Sheldon to figure things out on his own.  He needs to learn how to figure things out himself.   That is part of where he needs to grow the most.  He can't always lean on Penny and Leonard or Mary or Bernadette.  He needs to learn how to navigate problems himself.  You don't always have someone to lean on in life and in this case, his problem is his two-fold, lack of communication with what is going on inside of him and fear of failure.  He isn't afraid of intimacy or commitment. I think he feels he is very intimate with Amy and very committed to her, but he fears failing her the most.   But she does not know he fears that.  She also does not know he does get "turned on" by her.   So he has to learn that is what she is desperately asking him to tell her.  Obviously she has things she needs to be more clear about as well...but they need to lean on each other and communicate.  Once they do, they will resolve their issues alone.   

 

Penny has her girlfriends she can lean on for support but she is also a very savvy girl in her own right.  She doesn't need advise from others as much as time and comfort.   The girls can comfort her.   She is smart enough to figure things out and is bold enough to ask Leonard outright what may be troubling her.   She and Leonard will work through things together as well.

 

Shenny will get plenty of scenes together, but they don't need to use them to support each other in this case.  They have gone down that path way too much and it isn't helping either Penny or Sheldon grow as individuals.

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 Hi 5mississppis I cant tell if your being sarcastic or being serious but i'll play along I do hope I see Penny and Sheldon comfort each other through in season 9  I never said Penny and Sheldon were innocent... but I really don't understand why Penny and Leonard are together at this point if you can explain it to me I would be more than appreciative. 

A better question is why Sheldon and Penny should be together?

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*sigh* Chrismo I don't want Penny and Sheldon together romantically I just like them as friends they have a really great friendship it's always great to see on screen so Im really hoping that they would comfort each other through this situation.

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*sigh* Chrismo I don't want Penny and Sheldon together romantically I just like them as friends they have a really great friendship it's always great to see on screen so Im really hoping that they would comfort each other through this situation.

I think at this point Sheldon needs to solve this one on his own and probably wouldn't be too helpful to Penny. The only one I could see helping now is Bernadette.

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*sigh* Chrismo I don't want Penny and Sheldon together romantically I just like them as friends they have a really great friendship it's always great to see on screen so Im really hoping that they would comfort each other through this situation.

This might happen, but I'm also thinking they may have Amy & Penny consoling each other, while both Leonard & Sheldon are in the dog house(4b).

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Am I the only one that doesn't think Raj was trying to break up with Emily? I may be biased because I love the two of them together, but I feel like he really was trying to tell her he loved her from the beginning. It was just a combination of his inexperience and awkardness that led him to screw it up so badly. Just because they're very different people doesn't mean they can't love each other. Isn't love supposed to be loving every part of the other person and not trying to change them? That's what so great about the two of them. They accept each other without trying to force the other to become someone else. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say he really did mean to say he loved her from the beginning but just went about it the wrong way. People panick when things don't go their way, especially a romantic speech that gets taken the wrong way.

 

Isn't it romantic to take a girl out to do something she really likes and profess your love that way? Maybe I'm reaching, but Raj has also been very proud of his caramel skin and maybe compareing her dark inside to his dark outside was his way of trying to reach her. I'm just not so certain that Raj really was trying to back out of the relationship like so many people assume he was trying to do. He never said he was going to do it, only that he was thinking about it. I think he decided he loved her despite their differences.

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I think that Raj's conversations with Howardette confirmed he is uncomfortable with Emily and wants to break it off but doesn't have enough self-esteem to do it.

I think he told her he loved her because he didn't want to hurt her by breaking up. He over-reacted by going to the opposite extreme.

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It just seemed like he was indecisive when he was talking to Howardette. He's dealing with something not a lot of people are used to compounded by his own inexperience and he was trying to get their opinion. It could be seen as a growing experience for him.

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I like the idea of Penny and Leonard eloping in Vegas. It would cut out those stupid multi-episode weeding garbage that all sit com do! Sheldron proposing to Amy was a total shock to me!

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The tag after the emotion of the Skype called needed some sort of symbol to end the series with and what better way to surprise people than with an unexpected engagement ring..... that doesn't mean Sheldon was going to propose anytime soon, just that he has a ring and is now confused as to what he should do with it

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