Ship Zone [Spoilers] Lenny: Season 9

[Tonstar17]

9 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:  

She said it in the season premiere right before they are about to have their wedding ceremony. She wanted to take things slow, even though she used the term "not a date", in The Orithnophobia Diffusion; I saw that as her wanting to get her feet wet but dive back in and letting leonard know that.

Okay forgot about that one. But the not a date episode was going as friends to the cinema and Leonard stated that they haven't hang out as friends in a long time and they were horrible to each other. if I remember correctly Leonard asked penny out 2 episodes later. My point was way back before those episodes. No hint to Leonard whatsoever that she wanted him back.

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There was the season 4 finale.  Penny in the Beta Test Initiation, suggested they take things slow.  I saw her wanting to hang out with him "as friends" in The Orithnophobia Diffusion as her subtle approach at a first step.  By the end of that night, I think she wasn't quite sure he was on the same wavelength as her.  Hence her asking Leonard, "Have you thought this through?" in The Recombination Hypothesis.

My thoughts on penny saying. Have you thought it through was penny wanting assurance after the Raj thing.

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[ShLe94]

Woah, guys! This episode was a rollercoaster for me -as far as Lenny are concerned-! When I watched it for the first time, I was a little bothered by Penny's words to the shrink, particularly by her "I guess I just miss when life was simpler" (BTW, right after that I smiled like a fool seeing my Pop Tart happy ). I calmed down, watched the episode again and got a different vibe from the whole convo with Dr. Gallo. First of all, all that hinting at bedrooms and them still living with Sheldon (and also the Stuart-moving-out plot) got me thinking... Was that -finally- the start of some change in the current living arrangements? I really hope this experience let them -who am I kidding? I meant the writers- think about it! Second of all, 9x12 opened up the can of worms that is Penny's feelings. I'm quite sure that, if tptb don't sweep this storyline under the rug and develop it well, all this "pain" will be worth it. It seems that she feels like something is missing in her life. But it was quite clear to me that her frustration had nothing to do with her love for Leonard. It's like when we grow up: we like it a lot, but we will always miss that small part of us, what we used to do and be. IMO, that's how she's feeling now. She misses her old self and kinda want it back. Maybe she'll find what she's looking for going back to acting... IDK, her line "You know, Leonard's right. Talking to you is really helping" spoke volumes to me: she's looking right into herself atm and trying to finally accept herself the way she is, which includes being in love and committed to Leonard (let's not forget that Penny has always had commitment issues, a few episodes back (9x02) she even mentioned she was still insecure). If developed well, this episode could be the start of something: the two of them working on this and other things together as a young married couple, and no longer as two separate entities who happen to love each other. Maybe they will understand once and for all why they're in love with each other (isn't it weird that we seem to know it better than them? Crazy shippers' goals LOL) and say it openly, without any more fears and insecurities. So, it all depends on how the writers decide to go with this from now on. It wouldn't hurt to explore this side of their relationship... They're a unique couple with pretty recognizable characteristics, but they're not exactly who they used to be back in season 3 or 6. And they deserve to be treated without forgetting that. Sorry for the rant 

[Tonstar17]

Woah, guys! This episode was a rollercoaster for me -as far as Lenny are concerned-! When I watched it for the first time, I was a little bothered by Penny's words to the shrink, particularly by her "I guess I just miss when life was simpler" (BTW, right after that I smiled like a fool seeing my Pop Tart happy ). I calmed down, watched the episode again and got a different vibe from the whole convo with Dr. Gallo. First of all, all that hinting at bedrooms and them still living with Sheldon (and also the Stuart-moving-out plot) got me thinking... Was that -finally- the start of some change in the current living arrangements? I really hope this experience let them -who am I kidding? I meant the writers- think about it! Second of all, 9x12 opened up the can of worms that is Penny's feelings. I'm quite sure that, if tptb don't sweep this storyline under the rug and develop it well, all this "pain" will be worth it. It seems that she feels like something is missing in her life. But it was quite clear to me that her frustration had nothing to do with her love for Leonard. It's like when we grow up: we like it a lot, but we will always miss that small part of us, what we used to do and be. IMO, that's how she's feeling now. She misses her old self and kinda want it back. Maybe she'll find what she's looking for going back to acting... IDK, her line "You know, Leonard's right. Talking to you is really helping" spoke volumes to me: she's looking right into herself atm and trying to finally accept herself the way she is, which includes being in love and committed to Leonard (let's not forget that Penny has always had commitment issues, a few episodes back (9x02) she even mentioned she was still insecure). If developed well, this episode could be the start of something: the two of them working on this and other things together as a young married couple, and no longer as two separate entities who happen to love each other. Maybe they will understand once and for all why they're in love with each other (isn't it weird that we seem to know it better than them? Crazy shippers' goals LOL) and say it openly, without any more fears and insecurities. So, it all depends on how the writers decide to go with this from now on. It wouldn't hurt to explore this side of their relationship... They're a unique couple with pretty recognizable characteristics, but they're not exactly who they used to be back in season 3 or 6. And they deserve to be treated without forgetting that. Sorry for the rant [emoji6]

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[3ku11]

In surprised at the surprise here lol. Imo this kinda story was going to happen for long time. Isint this a good thing anyway? ONE Screen time away from the kitchen. Two planting the seeds of Penny aware the current living situations are not working. This was about who are Leonard and Penny outside them? As who they are Southside their romantic relationship contributes to them as a unit. I would hv also liked to see them discuss the Leonard cheating thing. Let Penny let it out. When you think about it while Lenny have very recognisable characteristics and traits. They also have alot of differences. And those differences combined with Penny's commitment issues, and self worth. Clearly still mess with Pennys state of thinking. Hence why she longs for a time when her life was more simple.

Ala the reference to the manchild living with them Aka The one we all love Sheldon :D. Like the Thearpist said "You clearly have alot on your plate". And questioning Pennys motives. Its the same way Leonard has done since s6 challenged Penny. "Why would you make your husband pretend to be a patient in order to make a sale? Why would you do that? Leonards formulative years were dominated by his mother. Don't you think he choose you as a partner, as a way of perpetuating?". Why do you love Leonard? I kinda feel Penny was caught off guard.

 

Or her fears, experiences, her whole life was being put on trial. So she could of gone because hes so amazing omg lol. But she was like cos my cute tops duh. So it was comfronting for Penny. But it was necessary. As she took an important step 1. Admitting she is Taking Leonard for granted. And 2. Admitting shes not in control, and thats okay. She has taken on  a role now she never saw in her life. I feel shes confused atm. She loves Leonard, but she is allso having a crisis of identity loss.

I mean look at it from Penny's pov. Shes embraced her reality with the love of her life. But in return, shes given up her dreams.  Shes compromised everything that made her unique as an individual. Leonard still is an individual. Penny clearly feels she is not. I hope they explore this. You could argue Penny's no different to Charlie Harper lol. I dont agree either that shes turning into Bev. Shes the complete opposite of Bev, shes just being silly lol. They honestly need to sit down. And Leonard needs to reassure PENNY that she wont lose him. Because end of the day Pennys just scared. So not a great ep if you ship Lenny. But a necessary one if we want living arrangements to change. 

Edited January 9, 2016 by 3ku11

[meka3000]

2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I mean look at it from Penny's pov. Shes embraced her reality with the love of her life. But in return, shes given up her dreams.  Shes compromised everything that made her unique as an individual. Leonard still is an individual. Penny clearly feels she is not.

I dont agree either that shes turning into Bev. Shes the complete opposite of Bev, shes just being silly lol. They honestly need to sit down. And Leonard needs to reassure PENNY that she wont lose him. Because end of the day Pennys just scared. So not a great ep if you ship Lenny. But a necessary one if we want living arrangements to change. 

-I don't think she's compromised everything that made her unique as an individual, on her best days she's still a warm, good natured, beautiful, emphatic, quick witted, funny, sexy, adorable, gentle free spirited girl.  The only thing she has compromised is her occupation.  But more because she came to realize she didn't like the process that came with the acting world (i.e. it's auditions).  But does her occupation really make up everything about who she is?  I don't think it does, in fact her acting career was mostly in the background until season 7.  I think people liked the acting career part of penny's character mostly because of the allure the glamours potential had compared to that of pharmaceutical sales rep.

I don't think she is like Bev deep down, but I can see how Dr. Calo came to that conclusion based on the circumstances.  Penny asked Leonard to talk to her for her under the guise of getting an appointment (though that's not a normal every day occurrence for them).  So Penny didn't come off in the best light as far as first impressions go.  And yes sometimes she does have a one track mind and occasionally takes the people in her life for granted.

I can buy Penny coming off as scared in that moment because Dr. Calo inadvertantly reminded her that she was coming off like a slightly warmer version of his mother.  Given how she didn't seem to think much about what Leonard talked about with her, and was more concerned with whether he got her a sales appointment.  But some of this goes back to when Penny expressed concern that she could end up making more money than Leonard if she does well in sales.  His response, "Not a problem. I grew up with a mother who emasculated my father financially and in every other aspect of his life, so really, it’s what I think love looks like."  Penny and Leonard knows how THAT ended for Leonard's parents (i.e. divorce), its why I can buy she would look back at being an actress with fondness because it's NOT something that turned him into someone like Leonard's mother.

There's also Sheldon and how her sleeping at his place with Leonard has amplified the mother hen side of her personality because they've had to watch out for him to help him through a troubling time, and I can see how Penny transitioned more during that time, but hasn't quite turned "mother hen mode off after getting used to it, since Sheldon doesn't need as much help now..

I can see this leading to more down the line, but not necessarily right away.  But Penny has taken a good first step in at least acknowledging the problem, she even acknowledged that her husband was right in talking to Dr. Calo does help.  What steps she'll take in the future I don't know, but I look forward to them.

 

[son-goku5]

When Penny told her about herself using to be an actress, being the cute girl next door type and doable (even though she is still cute and vey doable ^^), that comment could be taken in a way of saying that she misses the time when she was a free woman with males vying for her attention since a wedding ring usually turns away a majority of them.

[5Mississippis]

^^^^^

That's exactly how I took it. 

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

When Penny told her about herself using to be an actress, being the cute girl next door type and doable (even though she is still cute and vey doable ^^), that comment could be taken in a way of saying that she misses the time when she was a free woman with males vying for her attention since a wedding ring usually turns away a majority of them.

Lol no. She misses a time where her life was more simple. And had her independence. She never mentioned the attention of males. Just the longing for something that's unattainable. I think you guys are reading way too much into what she Said lol. I mean regardless if shes 21 or 30. I mean she outgrew those types years ago. If she really missed that time. And was more then a passing comment and missed the attention of a certain type of guy. Shes still young why get married?

I understand you could interpret what she Said as missing the attention of males. Ala her freedom. But I dont think she specifically meant that. The whole reason she stopped wearing tank tops. Other then her body changing. Is she no longer felt the need to flaunt herself for guys. Her whole outlook has changed. If your right, thats what she meant. Well things have changed for her clearly. So maybe Lenny fans should worry. Or maybe as I Said she longing for something that is another life away. Doesent take away her love for Leonard. But individually shes lost imo. Hate to say it but take Sheldon away. Maybe not so bad.

Edited January 9, 2016 by 3ku11

[Stephen Hawking]

11 hours ago, legacy99 said:

When they were in the car they asked penny if they had consummated the wedding she didn't say yes but then they started looking for other loop holes because she had that guilty look on her face. watch that episode again and look a penny's face.

It's not so much Penny's look which convinces me, but the fact she didn't choose non-consummation, as a reason to annul.

If they hadn't consummated the marriage, I would think she would jump on it, and not just as a reason to annul, but as a way of comforting Leonard.

11 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

And I meant the whole relationship playing out in front of Penny in Season 4, not the initial discovery..

Some of Penny's relationships were played out, in front of Leonard, so I think it's pretty much a "six of one - half a dozen of the other" situation.

[3ku11]

Does it matter if Penny did or did not consummate the Marriage? Shes not a virgin lol. I mean really? I dont think a look on her face really matters. Leonard is the one who put Penny on the spot in this ep. I mean honestly if your life was being put on trial, how would you react? In any case I agree. On the sentiment of why Lenny can't be happpy. I dont want perfect, perfect is boring. And I still enjoyed the development. But it showed Penny is still a scared little girl. Whos head is messed up still. 1. She and her husband Still live with a manchild 2. They still sleep in Leonard's room. Is this normal? After all these years.

Should Lenny and the audience put up with this? No wonder ppl are tuning out, I dont blame them. S7 Penny already married. They then got engaged, was anti climatic. The engagement was then a plot device for Sheldons escapades. Then no talk all season. Then lets go to Vegas. Were I married my ex that well be fun lol. Then they let Sheldon take over. Then they create this illusion Lenny are happily married. Oh Sheldon needs us.  For the love of god he doesn't need you, your using him as an excuse. Because your too scared to make the next step.

 Yeah be his friend, but that does not mean put your life's on hold. Does Penny feel shes. Better then Leonard? Then we Only find out Penny is unfulfilled. I mean what does it take for Tptb to let them be. Full measure? Seriously after 9 years its too much lol. The whole show is one big joke. The audience is laughing at them not with them. Simply because the show has become absurd. Tptb are so scaredd to move the show even a little forward. That the show has entered a moving Pattern. Pity because ive enjoyed most of s9. The living arrangements hv ruined the show. 

Edited January 9, 2016 by 3ku11

[son-goku5]

1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

1. She and her husband Still live with a manchild 2. They still sleep in Leonard's room. Is this normal? After all these years.

1. By her choice.

2. Yes, it's quite normal. Think back to the episode after they got engaged and Leonard talked to Sheldon about living arrangements, suggesting among other things that Sheldon moved to 4B and Penny moved into 4A. They still would have used Leonard's room as their bedroom. The only difference would be Penny maybe remodeling it a bit.

Also, sleeping in someone's old room is nothing new. If you have an apartment and your partner moves in with you, do you automatically choose another room to sleep in? Alright, sometimes people do when the partner doesn't want to sleep with you in a room where you most likely had sex with other people ^^

"We will throw away your old bed and get a new one!"

"Why?"

"You slept with other women in it."

"Yeah, but then what about the dinner table, the bathtub, the carpet, the washing machine, the chairs or the couch?"

[Stephen Hawking]

17 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

"Yeah, but then what about the dinner table, the bathtub, the carpet, the washing machine, the chairs or the couch?"

Nor forgetting the kitchen counter (as per a few fanfics), etc.  

Edited January 9, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[veejay]

34 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Nor forgetting the kitchen counter (as per a few fanfics), etc.  

L: I have to go find Sheldon.
P: Okay, well, if you find him, use the kitchen island-- that coffee table will not support both of you.

LOL

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

I was away from the Forum for a full day and came home to 3 really wonderful pages of discussions about the episode. I very greedily read everything fast because I was so excited to hear what you all thought. I need to go back and re-read and digest it all.  Right now, the best thing about the episode for me  is that it stimulated such great discussions between so many Leonard and Penny fans. The sharing is amazing, the kindness is amazing, the respect for different opinions and different interpretations is amazing. To feel that there is still so much love for this couple after so many years is amazing! I'm overwhelmed. Put it all together and it tastes like

Edited January 9, 2016 by Strawberry PopTart Fan

[veejay]

Leonard, wipe that smirking off your face.....

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by veejay

[hokie3457]

Again, LOVE the look over her shoulder: FYEO!!

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[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

4 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Again, LOVE the look over her shoulder: FYEO!!

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Love the Love!

[son-goku5]

26 minutes ago, veejay said:

Leonard, wipe that smirking off your face.....

if you freeze the frame at the right moment, you can see that the shirt is a pinkish color

[veejay]

13 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

if you freeze the frame at the right moment, you can see that the shirt is a pinkish color

Shirt, what shirt? My imagination ran riot…

[son-goku5]

19 minutes ago, veejay said:

Shirt, what shirt? My imagination ran riot…

Well, since she wore a "shirt that is inappropriate for work", we know that she wore one ^^ I'm imagining a very low hanging tank top that is one inch away of flashing the person in front

[Carlos]

On ‎1‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 3:00 PM, meka3000 said:

there's him spilling his feelings on feeling unworthy of her in 9x02.  There's him getting Penny to get sheldon to stop playing music so they can sleep.  There's him getting her to NOT take the relationship test in 8x03.  Those are just off the top of my head.

But didn't she take it, after all?

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 8:38 PM, 4everlenny said:

Anybody else totally POed at TPTB right now. Always tried to like all the characters. Right now I'm really jealous on how sweet Shamy and Howardette we're portrayed tonight. Not happy about the Penny and Leonard scenes at all. Hope they don't continue this story line, I don't have warm fuzzies about it. JMO. Actually hope I'm over reacting.

Hated Lenny's story line this last episode, but had no problem with Shamy or Howardette. I liked seeing them happy. Their happiness does not come at the expense of Lenny's. That's TPTB.

[veejay]

7 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

Well, since she wore a "shirt that is inappropriate for work", we know that she wore one ^^ I'm imagining a very low hanging tank top that is one inch away of flashing the person in front

Whew, you're looking for accuracy from a sitcom? Damn…LOL

[son-goku5]

4 minutes ago, veejay said:

Whew, you're looking for accuracy from a sitcom? Damn…LOL

More believable than she wearing nothing under the jacket

[Carlos]

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 8:58 PM, meka3000 said:

My posts aren't here to be politically correct for anyone, and I'm not asking anyone else to do so either.  So asking me to do what you are doing is a waste of time.

And of course it is a waste of time. For as long as you've been posting you have never been able to see anybody else's viewpoint , and have always thought you're the one who's right , not to mention that almost clinical need to have the last word. One thing is to be politically correct, and a very different thing is to always be criticizing everybody and trying to impose your views on others, telling them they're watching the show wrong, etc, etc

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 9:02 PM, JE7 said:

You're right. It is so you have the honor of joining Vasu and Mislav on the ignore list because you never have anything to offer the discussion.

That will be the best decision you ever make. I'm not there yet , but it is impossible to reason with some people.

[veejay]

On 9.1.2016 at 7:33 PM, Carlos said:

.....That will be the best decision you ever make. I'm not there yet , but it is impossible to reason with some people.

Again...

 

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Edited June 29, 2016 by veejay