Ship Zone [Spoilers] Lenny: Season 9

[meka3000]

8 hours ago, JE7 said:

-You keep insisting that this is all normal behavior but in my 53 years on this planet I have never seen a couple first 6 monthd of marriage go like this.

-The sniping,

-disregard for the feelings of your partner

-especially the discontented anger from the last ep are not how newlyweds normally act.

-Neither have made petty verbal attacks, at least not on a consistent basis.  Most of what we saw was playful teasing.

-When have either of them disregarded each others feelings majority of the time?  The last episode with Penny was an exception, not something that she's done consistently.

-She's taken his feelings into consideration.  She compromised the living arrangements for not just Sheldon but her husbands sake, because he was having trouble adjusting.  She also dealt with Sheldon at night BECAUSE he asked her to.

-I don't feel we saw anger, more like frustration.  Ever since staying at 4A & B, THIS is the first time we have seen that frustration come into play.

9 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

She was angry with him and wouldn't let it go. I'm not picking on penny they are both as bad as each other when it comes to drama. ☺

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I saw irritation on her face not anger.  Just like when Penny was irritated at Leonard poking fun at her in the s7 christmas episode when she thought Penny's alt. future would be her peeing her pants.

10 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

-To me it looks like lenny are written by some lenny haters who can't accept the fans opinions and tastes,

-there is a lot of people who want to see lenny happy.

-Even casual viewers are sick of it and want them to split or are bored of them and all the drama and this is from around the world. 

-And your biases aren't possibly overwhelming your judgement of that?

-And we've seen them be happy this season, AMONG OTHER FEELINGS.

-Where are you getting this consensus from?

 

Not everything has to be overwhelmingly happy.  As Ron Burgundy would say:

Edited January 11, 2016 by meka3000

[Tonstar17]

2 minutes ago, JE7 said: -You keep insisting that this is all normal behavior but in my 53 years on this planet I have never seen a couple first 6 monthd of marriage go like this.

-The sniping,

-disregard for the feelings of your partner

-especially the discontented anger from the last ep are not how newlyweds normally act.

-Neither have made petty verbal attacks, at least not on a consistent basis.  Most of what we saw was playful teasing.

-When have either of them disregarded each others feelings majority of the time?  The last episode with Penny was an exception, not something that she's done consistently.

-She's taken his feelings into consideration.  She compromised the living arrangements for not just Sheldon but her husbands sake, because he was having trouble adjusting.  She also dealt with Sheldon at night BECAUSE he asked her to.

-I don't feel we saw anger, more like frustration.  Ever since staying at 4A & B, THIS is the first time we have seen that frustration come into play.

43 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: She was angry with him and wouldn't let it go. I'm not picking on penny they are both as bad as each other when it comes to drama. ☺

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I saw irritation on her face not anger.  Just like when Penny was irritated at Leonard poking fun at her in the s7 christmas episode when she thought Penny's alt. future would be her peeing his pants.

2 hours ago, Tonstar17 said: -To me it looks like lenny are written by some lenny haters who can't accept the fans opinions and tastes,

-there is a lot of people who want to see lenny happy.

-Even casual viewers are sick of it and want them to split or are bored of them and all the drama and this is from around the world. 

-And your biases aren't possibly overwhelming your judgement of that?

-And we've seen them be happy this season, AMONG OTHER FEELINGS.

-Where are you getting this consensus from?

 

Not everything has to be overwhelmingly happy.  As Ron Burgundy would say:

Exactly. But there is more drama than happiness, that's not a good thing.

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[Itwasdestined]

Depends on what you define as drama and the lens you're watching the season through. Everyone is entitled to their own interpretations, which is what we do as viewers or readers of fiction. But I'll still ask - what is being defined as drama this season? The wedding episodes? Definitely. Penny's couch admissions this episode? Potentially or definitely depending on your slant. Other than that, from my point of view, I haven't seen anything other than the usual one liner from Penny that some see as bad form from her. I've been watching a pretty happy couple, albeit living in unusual ( but not unheard of ) circumstances. I don't think every newlywed couple has to deal with what Lenny do - I didn't have any issues in my first six months of marriage - but then Lenny - to me - aren't any newlywed couple! I do want what has come out of Penny's mind addressed in upcoming episodes, which may or may not involve drama ( or less than dramatic and maybe/hopefully humour) but I'm not even close to the jumping ship stage. But then I'm the non reactive Lenny fan who enjoys every character in the show so I can only empathise with more emotionally involved shippers and wonder why you beat yourselves up so much over this stuff. Hope it gets better. 

Edited January 11, 2016 by Itwasdestined

[No Regrets]

If I didn't watch the show and read this thread, I would think Leonard and Penny loathe each other. Just goes to show how differently we all see and watch things. 

[3ku11]

Imo This season has been great for Lenny. Minimal drama. 99% of their scenes hv been lovely. Yeah unusual situation for a married couple. But its an unusual show lol. Penny didn't say anything that we didn't already know. Just hope writers develop on it. 

[veejay]

LOL  

[Tonstar17]

Depends on what you define as drama and the lens you're watching the season through. Everyone is entitled to their own interpretations, which is what we do as viewers or readers of fiction. But I'll still ask - what is being defined as drama this season? The wedding episodes? Definitely. Penny's couch admissions this episode? Potentially or definitely depending on your slant. Other than that, from my point of view, I haven't seen anything other than the usual one liner from Penny that some see as bad form from her. I've been watching a pretty happy couple, albeit living in unusual ( but not unheard of ) circumstances. I don't think every newlywed couple has to deal with what Lenny do - I didn't have any issues in my first six months of marriage - but then Lenny - to me - aren't any newlywed couple! I do want what has come out of Penny's mind addressed in upcoming episodes, which may or may not involve drama ( or less than dramatic and maybe/hopefully humour) but I'm not even close to the jumping ship stage. But then I'm the non reactive Lenny fan who enjoys every character in the show so I can only empathise with more emotionally involved shippers and wonder why you beat yourselves up so much over this stuff. Hope it gets better. 

Yes the wedding episode, at the shrinks office, thanksgiving and in the car with Bernadette spying on Amy and her date. There is more that I can't think of right now. You see those moments could be classed as drama or potentially but the rest is just humor yes I agree most of those times when lenny are sitting in the background/kitchen having one liners are cute. My point is every time they have had a small arc that we are giving, its full of drama or potentially as you put it. Not healthy for a newlyweds. And let me clarify I'm not jumping ship. (Lenny will always be my OTP)The show doesn't excite me anymore and I just get angry at the way lenny are portrayed. I mean the last episode was funny for me, i like it because it had potentials for lenny but like you I want to see this follow through and the next episode has no mention of the visit to the shrink or any kind of resolution it's seems like the issues raised have been forgotten already and like I said if no mentioned of it or trying to sort out the living arrangements in the next TR then I'm out. Doesn't mean I'm not a Lenny anymore I am just giving up watching the show. I like the other characters but how can I continue watching for the others while my favourite characters are being diminished week in week out. It will further kill my enjoyment of the show so it will be better for my sanity instead of watching a drama show for my favourite pairing.

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[luminous]

I'm not always happy and satisfied with Lenny resp. the depiction/demeanor of Lenny either. Especially the living arrangements should be changed anytime soon. But no matter what the writers will pull out of the hat, my general enjoyment of the show is unimpaired and I will definitely continue to watch every forthcoming episode until the very last.

[son-goku5]

3 hours ago, veejay said:

LOL  

What episode is that taken out of?

[veejay]

2 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

What episode is that taken out of?

Sorry, SPOILER! From the forthcoming EP.

[luminous]

Hmm...could be from the next episode. I seem to recall, that Penny in the shower, while Sheldon tries to apologize, was mentioned in the TR.

Edit: veejay was faster :D

Edited January 11, 2016 by luminous

[veejay]

5 minutes ago, luminous said:

I'm not always happy and satisfied with Lenny resp. the depiction/demeanor of Lenny either. Especially the living arrangements should be changed anytime soon. But no matter what the writers will pull out of the hat, my general enjoyment of the show is unimpaired and I will definitely continue to watch every forthcoming episode until the very last.

NO! 

[luminous]

5 minutes ago, veejay said:

NO! 

Haha...OK, for a situation like this the changing of the living arrangements can wait for a short while.

[nibbler747]

I just watched the episode over the weekend.  In general, I think the Lenny scenes this season have for the most part been quite sweet, this episode bothered me.  I don't mind that Penny may perhaps be feeling unfulfilled with her career (makes sense, as it's quite different from her initial dream of being an actress) and her living situation (living with Sheldon is sure to give anyone stress). 

What really bothered me was when the psychiatrist asked her why she married Leonard...she was all "Please don't ask me that question."  That response is totally not normal.  Even though Leonard can be insecure, and have mother issues, she could have listed a ton of good qualities that she loved about him, but she didn't.  She seemed at a loss of what to say.  For a newlywed, it's bizarre.

I'm not sure where they are going with this arc.  Penny and Leonard still seem unbalanced to me.  To me, she still holds too much power in the relationship.  My gut feeling is that this arc may have more to do with her career than her relationship with Leonard.    What I would like to see, is her get back into acting, her and Leonard get their own place, and her to get a little jealous over Leonard, and see that he truly is a great catch.

[JE7]

27 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

I just watched the episode over the weekend.  In general, I think the Lenny scenes this season have for the most part been quite sweet, this episode bothered me.  I don't mind that Penny may perhaps be feeling unfulfilled with her career (makes sense, as it's quite different from her initial dream of being an actress) and her living situation (living with Sheldon is sure to give anyone stress). 

What really bothered me was when the psychiatrist asked her why she married Leonard...she was all "Please don't ask me that question."  That response is totally not normal.  Even though Leonard can be insecure, and have mother issues, she could have listed a ton of good qualities that she loved about him, but she didn't.  She seemed at a loss of what to say.  For a newlywed, it's bizarre.

I'm not sure where they are going with this arc.  Penny and Leonard still seem unbalanced to me.  To me, she still holds too much power in the relationship.  My gut feeling is that this arc may have more to do with her career than her relationship with Leonard.    What I would like to see, is her get back into acting, her and Leonard get their own place, and her to get a little jealous over Leonard, and see that he truly is a great catch.

Great post, good to see you back for a bit.

I agree with you except for the acting, I think for a 30yo married woman to drop a secure and high paying job to chase a childish and damn near impossible dream is the height of immaturity.

How would any of you feel if your significant other came home one day and told you they quit there job because they wanted to be an astronaut? Or a rock star?

Edited January 11, 2016 by JE7

[son-goku5]

44 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

I'm not sure where they are going with this arc.  Penny and Leonard still seem unbalanced to me.  To me, she still holds too much power in the relationship.  My gut feeling is that this arc may have more to do with her career than her relationship with Leonard.    What I would like to see, is her get back into acting, her and Leonard get their own place, and her to get a little jealous over Leonard, and see that he truly is a great catch.

Agree with the own place, disagree with the acting. Penny herself has acknowledged that she wasn't that good (even though she said otherwise while on the couch) after the last audition she did during season 8 ("I walked out of there. Okay, I did the audition and bombed but then I walked out of there.")

And she has proven tp be jealous when it came to Leonard during the Alex storyline.

[nibbler747]

34 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Great post, good to see you back for a bit.

I agree with you except for the acting, I think for a 30yo married woman to drop a secure and high paying job to chase a childish and damn near impossible dream is the height of immaturity.

How would any of you feel if your significant other came home one day and told you they quit there job because they wanted to be an astronaut? Or a rock star?

Thank-you!  It's nice to be back!

Well...perhaps not acting, but she doesn't seem to have passion for the job that she is currently in.  She kind of fell into it, via Bernadette, but it was not something that she made a conscious decision to go into.  Maybe she needs to really think about what she wants to do, and pursue that, and will be happier as a result.  She's good at her job, and gets paid well, but it doesn't mean that she likes it.  She's young enough to make a career change before she's really stuck (i.e. kids, mortgages).

17 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

And she has proven tp be jealous when it came to Leonard during the Alex storyline.

I really wished that they had pursued this Alex angle a little more when it came up initially (no cheating, but some realizations).  Here is a beautiful woman (Alex), that is smart and kind that was genuinely interested in Leonard.  It should really open Penny's eyes to what she has in front of her in Leonard.  I thought perhaps that what they were doing that with the whole Leonard/Priya relationship.   But Penny seemed so blah about Leonard in Season 7? or was it 6? The one where she was all meh about their relationship.  To be honest, the fact that she 180'd so quickly after she quit her waitressing job back to wanting to get engaged didn't sit right with me.  To me it felt more like she was seeking security, than being in love.

Maybe she should talk to the shrink about that!

[3ku11]

Jealousy storyline? Yeah been their, done that lol. Lenny just need a bit more honesty in their relationship. I mean sure they agreed to live with Sheldon, they know what they signed up for. The Roommate Agreement, Sheldons mannerisms etc. But Shamys break up really scrwed Lennys plans. It pressured Lenny, and THEY felt obligated. Thats what the Tptb didn't forsee it effecting both couples. They seemed to think, oh we need to sort Shamy out. Needs resolution. Did they not realize by breaking them up , while Lenny moved forward. Sheldon putting the hand break on his relationship, would cause Lenny put the hand break on theirs? I mean they threw Leonard under a bus, and effectively Lenny too. So while Lenny are moderately happy. They are in a moving Pattern. And poor girl, Penny is stuck in a rut. Because of a tedious routine. Why do you think she looked so happy in The Thanksgiving Episode with Leonard? Just them. This all happened because Amy dumped Sheldon. I think the Tptb need to consider these things. Changes effect the whole show, not just one couple. Everything is connected to Lenny. Full Measure, not walk into a room, and back out. Dont even bother. Overall im happpy with how Lenny have been portrayed. But it annoys me that they haven't moved in together yet, its just absurd. 

[son-goku5]

6 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

Thank-you!  It's nice to be back!

Well...perhaps not acting, but she doesn't seem to have passion for the job that she is currently in.  She kind of fell into it, via Bernadette, but it was not something that she made a conscious decision to go into.  Maybe she needs to really think about what she wants to do, and pursue that, and will be happier as a result.  She's good at her job, and gets paid well, but it doesn't mean that she likes it.  She's young enough to make a career change before she's really stuck (i.e. kids, mortgages).

I really wished that they had pursued this Alex angle a little more when it came up initially (no cheating, but some realizations).  Here is a beautiful woman (Alex), that is smart and kind that was genuinely interested in Leonard.  It should really open Penny's eyes to what she has in front of her in Leonard.  I thought perhaps that what they were doing that with the whole Leonard/Priya relationship.   But Penny seemed so blah about Leonard in Season 7? or was it 6? The one where she was all meh about their relationship.  To be honest, the fact that she 180'd so quickly after she quit her waitressing job back to wanting to get engaged didn't sit right with me.  To me it felt more like she was seeking security, than being in love.

Maybe she should talk to the shrink about that!

Well, making a career chance doesn't make sense when you are trying a career that you failed at before.

And to Penny's regard for the relationship. Her hesitancy during early S6 was most likely because of the proposal during sex that Leonard did but Penny quickly changed her mind once she saw another woman interested in Leonard. Nothing like the threat of losing someone to make you realize how much you love that person.

And her 180, as you call it, wasn't that quick in my opinion, it took half a season and we really don't know how much time passed in the storyline. But I agree that it looked like a security measure rather than born out of love, but she did state before that she loved him and it was her way of doing something right for a change.

[nibbler747]

I'm a total Shamy fan, I would agree, that their whole break up/make up storyline put a real damper on the show.  I'm glad that it's all resolved now.  It did put the brakes on storylines for all the other characters.

Penny and Leonard offering to stay with Sheldon was a kind gesture on both their parts.  But now that Sheldon is back to himself and happy, I think they should revisit moving out.  Sheldon didn't actually put up much of a fight about terminating the roommate agreement with Leonard the first time.  He was just sad.  I think though he's now looking forward to a future with Amy, he will be fine with them moving out.

But I still think that Lenny still have issues. I can't shake this nagging feeling that Penny felt she settled.

Edited January 11, 2016 by nibbler747

[JE7]

24 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

Thank-you!  It's nice to be back!

Well...perhaps not acting, but she doesn't seem to have passion for the job that she is currently in.  She kind of fell into it, via Bernadette, but it was not something that she made a conscious decision to go into.  Maybe she needs to really think about what she wants to do, and pursue that, and will be happier as a result.  She's good at her job, and gets paid well, but it doesn't mean that she likes it.  She's young enough to make a career change before she's really stuck (i.e. kids, mortgages).

I really wished that they had pursued this Alex angle a little more when it came up initially (no cheating, but some realizations).  Here is a beautiful woman (Alex), that is smart and kind that was genuinely interested in Leonard.  It should really open Penny's eyes to what she has in front of her in Leonard.  I thought perhaps that what they were doing that with the whole Leonard/Priya relationship.   But Penny seemed so blah about Leonard in Season 7? or was it 6? The one where she was all meh about their relationship.  To be honest, the fact that she 180'd so quickly after she quit her waitressing job back to wanting to get engaged didn't sit right with me.  To me it felt more like she was seeking security, than being in love.

Maybe she should talk to the shrink about that!

That's my biggest problem with Penny she dosent learn, for example. Thier was priya and she was jealous and then no priya and she was meh boring love, then came Alex and Penny was again jealous then  back to meh no worries. its a pattern with charecter. 

It's part of the lack of continuity on the show that bugs the hell out of me

[Tonstar17]

I'm a total Shamy fan, I would agree, that their whole break up/make up storyline put a real damper on the show.  I'm glad that it's all resolved now.  It did put the brakes on storylines for all the other characters.

Penny and Leonard offering to stay with Sheldon was a kind gesture on both their parts.  But now that Sheldon is back to himself and happy, I think they should revisit moving out.  Sheldon didn't actually put up much of a fight about terminating the roommate agreement with Leonard the first time.  He was just sad.  I think though he's now looking forward to a future with Amy, he will be fine with them moving out.

But I still think that Lenny still have issues. I can't shake this nagging feeling that Penny felt she settled.

Thank you for posting your comments on the nagging feeling you got and vibes of lenny at present. As a shamy fan your honesty is appreciated. I thought i was going mad and was seeing things that weren't there because all i hear is how happy and in tune lenny are. They have issues that need to be dealt with but I can't see any changes with the current direction the storyline is heading.

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[son-goku5]

13 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

But I still think that Lenny still have issues. I can't shake this nagging feeling that Penny felt she settled.

The thing is, she kinda has settled. I mean, she is married and has a job. To top that off, she is 30 (I think they have her character the same age as the actress even though the guys' characters are younger than the actors are). She's not 22 anymore.

Having her return to acting wouldn't make sense to me. I mean, she quit her waitressing job to focus on her acting career and apart from the second Ape movie, which paid less than waitressing, she has achieved nothing in that careerpath (though we don't know how many auditions she had gone to in that time)

[vonmar]

28 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

 

Well...perhaps not acting, but she doesn't seem to have passion for the job that she is currently in.  She kind of fell into it, via Bernadette, but it was not something that she made a conscious decision to go into.  Maybe she needs to really think about what she wants to do, and pursue that, and will be happier as a result.  She's good at her job, and gets paid well, but it doesn't mean that she likes it.  She's young enough to make a career change before she's really stuck (i.e. kids, mortgages).

To me, Penny has always come across as a very creative person...her Penny Blossoms business and attempt at an acting career were outlets for that creativity.  I think her current work-related unhappiness comes from a lack of creativity. Working 9-5, dressing up every day to sell drugs that you yourself wouldn't take is not where she imagined she would be.  So, maybe not back to acting, but a different career that taps into her more natural gifts

If she yearns for something different, something simpler...now is the time to make the move.  She has money in the bank and a husband who is both supportive and rational.

[son-goku5]

12 minutes ago, JE7 said:

That's my biggest problem with Penny she dosent learn, for example. Thier was priya and she was jealous and then no priya and she was meh boring love, then came Alex and Penny was again jealous then  back to meh no worries. its a pattern with charecter. 

It's part of the lack of continuity on the show that bugs the hell out of me

I have to agree wholeheartedly.

She was with Leonard, couldn't handle her feelings for him and left him. Then came Priya and she was insanely jealous because another woman had him. When Priya was gone, she did nothing, basically ignored her feelings until he asked her out again because, in my opinion, Leonard being single meant that nobody was getting what only she, Penny, deserved.

Then came her insecurities about their rekindled relationship which almost led to another breakup (only averted by the saddest puppy-dog eyes I have ever seen on a human) and another woman interested in him. And it took a verbal asskicking from Bernadette and Amy to finally make a bigger effort.

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

To me, Penny has always come across as a very creative person...her Penny Blossoms business and attempt at an acting career were outlets for that creativity.  I think her current work-related unhappiness comes from a lack of creativity. Working 9-5, dressing up every day to sell drugs that you yourself wouldn't take is not where she imagined she would be.  So, maybe not back to acting, but a different career that taps into her more natural gifts

If she yearns for something different, something simpler...now is the time to make the move.  She has money in the bank and a husband who is both supportive and rational.

Successfully selling drugs with horrible side effects takes a lot of creativity

But then, what is the move to make? they have portrayed Penny as someone who can't act, at least not on screen. The only thing I have seen being good was the play at her acting school

Edited January 11, 2016 by son-goku5