Ship Zone [Spoilers] Lenny: Season 9

[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

ISuccessfully selling drugs with horrible side effects takes a lot of creativity

But then, what is the move to make? they have portrayed Penny as someone who can't act, at least not on screen. The only thing I have seen being good was the play at her acting school

Maybe something behind the scenes.  Make-up artist, publicity etc?  Or maybe something in the fashion industry like assisting a designer, she knows clothes and shoes.  

Considering where they live, there are tons of outlets for creative employment that don't include acting.

[JE7]

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Maybe something behind the scenes.  Make-up artist, publicity etc?  Or maybe something in the fashion industry like assisting a designer, she knows clothes and shoes.  

Considering where they live, there are tons of outlets for creative employment that don't include acting.

I think the obvious choice has been overlooked, she can keep the well paying job and do community theatre to feed her acting bug. Or try the Penny blossom or design type business as a side job selling on amazon or eBay as she has product ready instead of making the mistake of offering something for sale that she didn't have ready to go.

All I am saying is she can feed that creative side (and possibly her self esteem) without dumping the high paying job first.

[Tonstar17]

Maybe she cound volunteer as an acting teacher at the local community center teaching kids. That could help with missing acting while holding down a 9 to 5.

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[5Mississippis]

20 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Lol she forgot his bday? So what. T

Penny didn't forget Leonard's birthday -- she didn't even KNOW when his birthday was. 

That's a BIG difference.

Forgetting a birthday is when you know their day is coming up on the 12th but RL interferes and you forget and suddenly remember it on the 17th. Judging by the look on her face and the way she uncertainly said and stretched out the word 'May', it seemed, to me, that she was even guessing the month too. 

[JE7]

Exactly she dosent have to give up a good job just to feed her creative needs she has many options ahe could try and if one leads to a situation where she can make a good living at it then all the better.

Penny is the everyman on the show and the sad fact is most people take and do the best paying job they can get, dreams are nice but they don't pay the bills and you do the best you can with what you have or as they say you play the cards life deals you and to me Penny has been dealt a pretty good hand. 

Edited January 11, 2016 by JE7

[3ku11]

Penny has settled. It's what you do at 30. Now Settled always has a bad connotation attached to it. But this ain't a negative thing. If Penny was going to settle, it would be for Leonard. She always had this dream of a big, strong guy looking after her. To grow up and realize her reality does not always have to be so fantasized. And realized Leonard the geek, the nerd was always their for her. So she embraced her reality. But in cannon her character, is commitment phobe. So even though she has committed, and matured. The fact she longs for a time where life was more simple, seems to be a recurring theme with Penny. I don't think it means she never learns, I think it means she has learnt alot. And still has the same old fears. I think as Beverly dominated Leonards formualtive years. People forget Wyatt Probably dominated Penny's forumatlve years. Hence her dating types of guys. So its prob still instilled in her, to think this way. Just like Leonard is hard wired through wanting acceptance from females. Neither are perfect, they are both as scared as each other. But I always look back to last season. Where Leonard told Penny he would rather be scared with her. Their were signs Penny then was scared. But I think why Penny well follow through with Leonard, is she even more scared of loosing Leonard. 

[vonmar]

8 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Exactly she dosent have to give up a good job just to feed her creative needs she has many options ahe could try and if one leads to a situation where she can make a good living at it then all the better.

Penny is the everyman on the show and the sad fact is most people take and do the best paying job they can get, dreams are nice but they don't pay the bills and you do the best you can with what you have or as they say you play the cards life deals you and to me Penny has been dealt a pretty good hand. 

6 years ago my (now 30 yr old) daughter was living in Manhattan and working on Wall Street for Merrill Lynch.  She thought it was her dream come true. But it wasn't, she was working 60 hours a week while living in a tiny NYC apartment.  Her comment to us was that she was working in NY, not living in NY.  Her life revolved around money, making money for others and making money for herself to live on. 3 years ago, with the support of family and fiends she decided to chuck it all and come back to the midwest.  She now works in public service and has been living with us while saving to buy a condo.  She's never been happier.

My point is, that not everyone has to deal with what they are dealt, especially at Penny's age.  With planning and support you can have a career that pays and nourishes the soul.

I would love to see a story line for Penny and Leonard where they navigate her career choice and explore her options for the future.

 

[JE7]

Good for her I hope it continues to work out for her. But this highlights another of Penny's "issues" a single person has many options a married one dosent simply because the only responsibility they have is to themselves. Adding a spouse changes things.

Single penny could say screw it and do whatever she wanted even move back to Nebraska and start over if she wanted. Married Penny has to consider the impact on Leonard's life and career as well as her own

[Tonstar17]

But I think why Penny well follow through with Leonard, is she even more scared of loosing Leonard. 

@3ku11. You know you might have a point there. Maybe when the shrink asked why she married Leonard, not expecting the question and her insecurity came out. Thinking what did Leonard tell her, am I going to lose him, panicked and the thought of losing him was overwhelming so didn't want to think about that scenario so said what she said to maybe avoid the subject but as the session went on it triggered some hidden anxieties and she just released her frustrations. Just a thought.

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[nibbler747]

53 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Penny has settled. It's what you do at 30. Now Settled always has a bad connotation attached to it. But this ain't a negative thing. If Penny was going to settle, it would be for Leonard. She always had this dream of a big, strong guy looking after her. To grow up and realize her reality does not always have to be so fantasized. And realized Leonard the geek, the nerd was always their for her. So she embraced her reality. But in cannon her character, is commitment phobe. So even though she has committed, and matured. The fact she longs for a time where life was more simple, seems to be a recurring theme with Penny. I don't think it means she never learns, I think it means she has learnt alot. And still has the same old fears. I think as Beverly dominated Leonards formualtive years. People forget Wyatt Probably dominated Penny's forumatlve years. Hence her dating types of guys. So its prob still instilled in her, to think this way. Just like Leonard is hard wired through wanting acceptance from females. Neither are perfect, they are both as scared as each other. But I always look back to last season. Where Leonard told Penny he would rather be scared with her. Their were signs Penny then was scared. But I think why Penny well follow through with Leonard, is she even more scared of loosing Leonard. 

I think there is a big difference between "settled down" and "settled".  There is nothing wrong with "settling down", and you are right, a lot of people do that in their thirties (i.e. find a job they enjoy, get married etc.)  I think settling for someone is entirely different, because that ultimately means, that she felt that she deserves better.  It feels like she came to a point where she thought she wasn't going to find anyone better, so she chose him.  I do think she loves him.  But it feels like a bran muffin choice (the wise choice) and not a Strawberry Pop Tart (passionate) one.  That always bothered me about their engagement.  To be honest, the Howardette engagement was strange too.  She was about to break up with Howard, and then said "yes".  Huh?

The other thing that bothered me was their wedding (don't get me started...).  But to focus on one single point, Penny seemed kind of sad when looking at the cheesy wedding chapel.  I think she was happy to be marrying Leonard, but resigned that she was going to have a lame-ass wedding.  That made me more sad, than all the friend shenanigans going on in the background.

Edited January 12, 2016 by nibbler747

[JE7]

Well said Nibbler 

[meka3000]

1 hour ago, JE7 said:

That's my biggest problem with Penny she dosent learn, for example. Thier was priya and she was jealous and then no priya and she was meh boring love,

She says 'boring love' but that's not what she was feeling; she was conflicted at that time, she wasn't moving forward in their relationship after rekindling and was wondering why?  I read it as her not trying to put effort in to her relationship because she was trying to stay in a comfort zone of not getting hurt.

Leonard wasn't like any of the previous guys she was in love with. The previous guys were more about being physical specimens, which Penny was previously drawn to.  She had to work to realize what it was she felt for Leonard previously, thus The Holographic Excitation.  In Leonard's lab she sees him in HIS ZONE, and Leonard comes off as more charismatic because he is confident and passionate in everything he is talking about and working on right in front of her, and then Penny remembers what drew her to him; it was things like him spinning the olive in the cup without touching it with his hand with physics (1x03), and the snowflake from the north pole(3x01).  Leonard was attractive to her NOT because of his physical attributes, like in her previous relationships; she was attractive to him BECAUSE OF HIS MIND.

"Sometimes I forget how smart you are"

That sums up what she was feeling in 6x02 & 6x03.  Or more to the point what she had forgotten/or was trying to quantify ONE of the biggest things Penny is drawn to about Leonard.  After that episode, things steadily get better in their relationship.  Coincidence?  I think not.

Edited January 12, 2016 by meka3000

[ShLe94]

1 hour ago, JE7 said:

I think the obvious choice has been overlooked, she can keep the well paying job and do community theatre to feed her acting bug. Or try the Penny blossom or design type business as a side job selling on amazon or eBay as she has product ready instead of making the mistake of offering something for sale that she didn't have ready to go.

All I am saying is she can feed that creative side (and possibly her self esteem) without dumping the high paying job first.

Yes!! I've been thinking about that, too... She seems to be very good at pharmaceutical sales -she was one of the best reps of the year, if I remember well-... Okay, not exactly a dream come true for her, but a good job where her worth is recognized and that makes possible financial independence for her. Why don't keep her 'creative juice' alive by giving her a creative hobby? Maybe something to be really passionate about is what's missing in her life (except for Leonard, of course, who actually is her greatest passion ). 

   She just needs to find out and unleash her own geeky side 

[meka3000]

24 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

-But it feels like a bran muffin choice (the wise choice) and not a Strawberry Pop Tart (passionate) one.  That always bothered me about their engagement.  To be honest, the Howardette engagement was strange too.  She was about to break up with Howard, and then said "yes".  Huh?

-The other thing that bothered me was their wedding (don't get me started...).  But to focus on one single point, Penny seemed kind of sad when looking at the cheesy wedding chapel.  I think she was happy to be marrying Leonard, but resigned that she was going to have a lame-ass wedding.

-She chose to be married to someone who had a moment of weakness and hurt her.  And she's still married to him.  That's not a bran muffin.

-She didn't look resigned when she said she loved Leonard before the ceremony, after his vows, or when she was jumping up and down after they got married.

1 hour ago, 5Mississippis said:

Penny didn't forget Leonard's birthday -- she didn't even KNOW when his birthday was. 

That's a BIG difference.

No she thought she knew when his birthday was, but was wrong.  When she first tried entering the password there's nothing about her that suggests she's trying to think about what it is, she enters it, sure that she knows what it is.

She doesn't try and say anything beyond a month, because Leonard has her caught like a dear in the headlights.

Edited January 12, 2016 by meka3000

[hokie3457]

.....So after 9.12 and the short promo for 9.13 just shown here with Penny bellowing "LEONARD!" when Sheldon comes into the bath while she is showering to apologize, I have decided that I want Leonard and Penny to move. Move away from 2311 North Los Robles...not be in 4A or 4B....away, away...

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[3ku11]

Lenny would move to the North Pole. And Sheldon would find away to find them lol.

 

Eta: i wonder if they well develop on the therapy session in the next taping?

Edited January 12, 2016 by 3ku11

[son-goku5]

6 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

.....So after 9.12 and the short promo for 9.13 just shown here with Penny bellowing "LEONARD!" when Sheldon comes into the bath while she is showering to apologize, I have decided that I want Leonard and Penny to mice. Move away from 2311 North Los Robles...not be in 4A or 4B....away, away...

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Huh, seems you are seeing another promo, I just found the one on Youtube but Penny isn't even in there.

And they could be in 4B, with a chair under the doorknob ^^

[3ku11]

8 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

Huh, seems you are seeing another promo, I just found the one on Youtube but Penny isn't even in there.

And they could be in 4B, with a chair under the doorknob ^^

Lol like that would stop Sheldon. One time in s3, Sheldon climbed outside just to get to Lennys room lol.

[son-goku5]

21 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Lol like that would stop Sheldon. One time in s3, Sheldon climbed outside just to get to Lennys room lol.

Remember, Penny's sole window is on the other side of the building, the chance that Sheldon creeps to there outside the building is very slim ^^

[3ku11]

13 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

Remember, Penny's sole window is on the other side of the building, the chance that Sheldon creeps to there outside the building is very slim ^^

I dont know, its Sheldon lol.

[No Regrets]

Just dropping this off:

Penny: Dad, there's something I need to tell you. Leonard and I got married.

Wyatt: You did? When?

Penny: Last week. I'm sorry, I should've told you. It was a spur of the moment thing. I feel terrible, please don't bee too disappointed. 

Wyatt: Are you happy?

Penny: Very. Leonard is so great.

Wyatt: Then I'm happy for you.

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

On 1/8/2016 at 2:05 PM, hokie3457 said:

The question was why did Penny marry Leonard?  One of her answers was that she "used to wear tank-tops a lot, so that was a selling point"---not a real answer to that question??? Comments--Responses---

I've been trying to come up with an answer to this very important  question for days. I watched the episode a few more times, read some great opinions from posters and I'm still shaking my head. Penny doesn't love her job. OK. Penny is tired of living with Sheldon. OK. Good. Penny isn't happy with all of Leonard's toys. Uh. Penny feels like Leonard's mother. OH. Penny can't, won't, doesn't want to tell Dr. Gallo why she married Leonard. Uh OH. Her tone of upset and general discontent is disturbing. She had me fooled as she seemed to be liking being married to her best friend, the love of her life, the guy who has loved her from the first time he saw her and will love her til the end of time. The doubts and insecurities were discussed and resolved in E2. Of course the road is never easy for them for long, but doubts about the very fact of the marriage.?I can usually see the glass is half full. I can usually spin the positive spin. I can usually overlook little annoying things because of the great story that I love.  But Penny, Really? I think you are behaving like a spoiled brat and I'm trying to chalk it up to nerves and having a bad day in general but Honey, life is good. I picked up a little something for your bed.

Namaste. Maybe a few yoga classes will help you get things back into perspective.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Strawberry PopTart Fan

[Tonstar17]

Why Did You Marry Leonard? I too am scratching my head. I have watched the scene over and over again and I still can't make sense of how penny came to some of her conclusions. I really hope this doesn't lead to trouble in paradise so early in their marriage.

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[Tensor]

5 hours ago, No Regrets said:

Just dropping this off:

Penny: Dad, there's something I need to tell you. Leonard and I got married.

Wyatt: You did? When?

Penny: Last week. I'm sorry, I should've told you. It was a spur of the moment thing. I feel terrible, please don't bee too disappointed. 

Wyatt: Are you happy?

Penny: Very. Leonard is so great.

Wyatt: Then I'm happy for you.

Yeah, the difference between the third episode and the latest is marked. 

[hokie3457]

8 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

I've been trying to come up with an answer to this very important  question for days. I watched the episode a few more times, read some great opinions from posters and I'm still shaking my head. Penny doesn't love her job. OK. Penny is tired of living with Sheldon. OK. Good. Penny isn't happy with all of Leonard's toys. Uh. Penny feels like Leonard's mother. OH. Penny can't, won't, doesn't want to tell Dr. Gallo why she married Leonard. Uh OH. Her tone of upset and general discontent is disturbing. She had me fooled as she seemed to be liking being married to her best friend, the love of her life, the guy who has loved her from the first time he saw her and will love her til the end of time. The doubts and insecurities were discussed and resolved in E2. Of course the road is never easy for them for long, but doubts about the very fact of the marriage.?I can usually see the glass is half full. I can usually spin the positive spin. I can usually overlook little annoying things because of the great story that I love.  But Penny, Really? I think you are behaving like a spoiled brat and I'm trying to chalk it up to nerves and having a bad day in general but Honey, life is good. I picked up a little something for your bed.

Namaste. Maybe a few yoga classes will help you get things back into perspective.

I am so with you here Strawberry (although I have not watched the episode again, but plan to tonight....).  It is a little scary and unsettling.  I am hoping that it has more to do with Sheldon than anything else.  To throw her a lifeline, I have thought about her situation---she has been married for over six months and NOTHING has changed.  She has yet to set up housekeeping with her husband in a place they can call their own (and I don't want to hear anything about it being "their choice" that they didn't have to "live with Sheldon"---to me that is b.s.).  I am thinking that this is to set in major motion the settlement of the living arrangements.  Last (Monday) night CBS aired episodes 9.02 and 9.01 (yes.  in that order--strange, but perhaps they wanted a larger audience at 8:00 to witness the dream kiss between S & P???) and during that time, they aired a different promo for 9.13: one that features Sheldon in the 4A bathroom while Penny is taking a shower, looking to apologize to her and give her a t-shirt.  She is not happy and yells at the top of her lungs "LEONARD!!"  I believe that she is so sick of the status quo; of not being able to commence her married life, that she is finding many things that make her unhappy, including  her job.  When you think about it, she does "have a lot on her plate".  I just hope that things can settle without additional drama and angst.  Both Penny and Leonard deserve to be happy with each other.....

Let's comment and discuss people....