Ship Zone [Spoilers] Lenny: Season 9

[3ku11]

Ah well hope 200th is based on living arrangements.

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

6 hours ago, JE7 said:

Just looking over the thread before work and I can't help but feel sad at all the names that are missing.

We have lost some excellent Lenny posters this season

And where is the PopTart????

Damn it now I am depressed lol

Hmmmm, I will try some PopTart bait...

Thanks for one of my favorite Johnny pictures!!!Yum! And thanks for missing me you SweetThing! I've been on a road trip from NY to Florida Keys, ala Thelma and Louise.Lots of time on the road and haven't always had great internet connection. I said hi when I passed through GA!           

I still adore Leonard and Penny and TBBT. The good, the bad and the ugly!Grateful for all the pleasure and laughs and the sweetest tv romance ever!

The PopTart bait totally worked , JE7! And ThePopTart was looking very  hot tonight!

Last stop tomorrow- Key West -so excited! Keys are so beautiful.

[Tensor]

1 minute ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Last stop tomorrow- Key West -so excited! Keys are so beautiful.

Aren't they.  Enjoy the Keys, you should be having some great weather.    

[JE7]

POPTART!!!! Dang that bait worked quick lol

Yes they are I was there during the marial boatlift back in the 80s great beache or at least what I had time to see always wanted to go back. Have fun and post beach pics for those of us in the cold 

[910]

3 hours ago, meka3000 said:

-Because he needed an excuse to postpone the wedding because he was unsure of himself.  Thus it became a bigger deal when he needed it to be, as opposed to before when Howard allegedly calmed him down about it.

-Because she was trying to keep her cool about it.  She has given liars and cheats a second chance as well. Also Penny is not a robot who just reacts to specific information with just one mood.   Sometimes the nuance of the situation is something she takes into consideration, why shouldn't the love of her life be of any consideration in how she reacts?

-Yes he was subconsciously sabotaging himself, but that doesn't necessarily make it manufactured drama.

 

I think many here have become bulls seeing red and have been interpreting modern day Lenny in the least charitable and most judgmental view possible.

That's not how you felt about it an hour ago:

What changed in the last hour?

I love seeing them alone too.  Believe me I do. But I also accept the fact that the show is not solely about them being alone, and that Sheldon is very much a part of their lives, and a part of the show.

When did Howard ever calm down Leonard about Mandy?  Supposedly, Leonard told Howard and Howard told Bernadette.  Yet, Bernadette never tells Penny? Also, why is Leonard willing to confess to anyone if he is worried about hurting Penny?  So he confesses to a friend who might still tell Penny.  Then, of all the times he could have disclosed the event was during The Thanksgiving Decoupling.  Rather than pick a fight with Penny, he could have forgiven Penny for her marriage to Zack, by disclosing he also did something stupid while he was drunk.  I also have a hard time believing he would ever get engaged if he really felt that guilty about it, but yet is willing to sabotage the wedding instead.  Again all IMHO.

[3ku11]

I agree Leonard never felt guilty. Which is odd as in past Leonard has shown he has a conscious. Look at Priya. He was clearly sabotaging. Why? Who knows. 

[Itwasdestined]

6 hours ago, Kasey said:

Well that would be for our moderators to decide then.  I would think that calling someone else's opinion not valid or trivial or not important would be a violation of the forum rules.  But I leave that again to the moderators.

I would say that Lenny's leaving or stepping back from this forum has to do with not liking the direction of the show and/or not liking the fact that there's a lot of unhappy Lenny fans who post on here.  That would be my guess...

Yep, that's pretty much me. I'm still reading most days, waiting for an opportunity to weigh in on positive discussion about Lenny, which when I first joined Tensor would constantly remind us the thread was about. But every time I come in, I decide to ignore the constant competitions for last word, nitpicking of every word used to express an opinion, prophets of doom caterwauling and whoa is me Lenny is not on screen enough compared to Sheldomort. Of course that is Fandom Forum 101 so everyone's entitled to their choice of interaction until intervention ensues and I understand we all feel differently, but there isn't a lot for me to enjoy in here anymore. Tonstar and Mississippi lost faith in the show - I lost faith in the conversation. 

But I'll continue to keep looking waiting for the vibe to return. Glass half full. 

[Carlos]

2 hours ago, meka3000 said:

-Just because you think I'm being a contrarian for the sake of it, doesn't make it so.  Also you've got nothing to back up that THAT wasn't nuanced writing that was based on specific feelings at specific times.  How about an argument to back up why Leonard being angry doesn't factor into his feelings at specific times?

And you have nothing to prove it was.

[meka3000]

25 minutes ago, Touche said:

-When did Howard ever calm down Leonard about Mandy?  

-Supposedly, Leonard told Howard and Howard told Bernadette.  Yet, Bernadette never tells Penny?

-Also, why is Leonard willing to confess to anyone if he is worried about hurting Penny?  So he confesses to a friend who might still tell Penny.  

-Then, of all the times he could have disclosed the event was during The Thanksgiving Decoupling.  Rather than pick a fight with Penny, he could have forgiven Penny for her marriage to Zack, by disclosing he also did something stupid while he was drunk.  

-I also have a hard time believing he would ever get engaged if he really felt that guilty about it, but yet is willing to sabotage the wedding instead.  Again all IMHO.

-what else would Howard tell Leonard if Leonard confided in him?

-yep, just like she kept the prenup a secret from Howard and told others.

-Leonards a perfect infallible mind reader who would know this and not potentially make a mistake? Also howard knows about keeping secrets from a S.O.

-something that could make her more mad, and then get her mad again, once it's blown over? Yeah that's a good idea. [/sarcasm] Also again Leonards not a perfect robot.

-he felt guilty about it when he needed a reason to sabotage his wedding day and needed to disclose something.  For me its not hard for me to buy that after talking to Howard, he more than likely put it behind him and to the back of his mind.  UNTIL he needed a scape goat.

Edited January 31, 2016 by meka3000

[meka3000]

9 minutes ago, Carlos said:

And you have nothing to prove it was.

I already proved that Leonard looking back on sheldon and the living arrangements with fondness coincided with whether he was pissed off with sheldon or not.

[JE7]

9 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I totally get you. And then to come here and have to put up with Mekka, It's getting more and more difficult to enjoy, I'm telling you.

I am telling you man the ignore button is a gift from the gods

Hey whats the formula for figuring the likes to post ratio? I am curious where I stand in the rankings?

Without certain posters screwing up the curve

 

[910]

28 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

-what else would Howard tell Leonard if Leonard confided in him?

-yep, just like she kept the prenup a secret from Howard and told others.

-Leonards a perfect infallible mind reader who would know this and not potentially make a mistake? Also howard knows about keeping secrets from a S.O.

-something that could make her more mad, and then get her mad again, once it's blown over? Yeah that's a good idea. [/sarcasm] Also again Leonards not a perfect robot.

-he felt guilty about it when he needed a reason to sabotage his wedding day and needed to disclose something.  For me its not hard for me to buy that after talking to Howard, he more than likely put it behind him and to the back of his mind.  UNTIL he needed a scape goat.

I guess you are a writer or know the writers or the actors personally because you have the answer to every single question a viewer could possibly have.  Do me a favor then, please ask the writers to do a better job of explaining your reasoning and justification in the episodes.  They seem to rely on subtle inferences that all viewers should pick up on, but waste time on stale jokes that are repeated ad-nauseum.  Again, just a suggestion IMHO.

[Tensor]

2 minutes ago, Touche said:

When did Howard ever calm down Leonard about Mandy?  Supposedly, Leonard told Howard and Howard told Bernadette.  Yet, Bernadette never tells Penny? Also, why is Leonard willing to confess to anyone if he is worried about hurting Penny?  So he confesses to a friend who might still tell Penny.  Then, of all the times he could have disclosed the event was during The Thanksgiving Decoupling.  Rather than pick a fight with Penny, he could have forgiven Penny for her marriage to Zack, by disclosing he also did something stupid while he was drunk.  I also have a hard time believing he would ever get engaged if he really felt that guilty about it, but yet is willing to sabotage the wedding instead.  Again all IMHO.

That whole Thanksgiving thing, and its extension to Mandy and and through this season provides such excellent examples of how contrived (even retconning things)  they made things, to prevent Leonard and Penny from moving forward. 

 Penny goes to Las Vegas with Zack.  A week later, they see each other, act as if they haven't seen each other in a while, and Penny doesn't mention she was in Vegas with him (or even saw him)  the previous week, when Amy and Bernadette ask her about dating him?

Penny explains to the group about people she knew that got married in Vegas, evidently knowing, you could get married in Vegas.

Things are going well, so lets have Leonard propose, even though they haven't gotten back to even Leonard saying I love you.

Penny isn't sure about staying with Leonard.

The finally spend various episodes over a full season making progress in their relationship.

Leonard Cheats on Penny, and doesn't tell her about it, even thought he told Priya right away.  But, somehow, he tells Howard all about it.  

They regress the characters  from the progress they made the previous seasons(for instance, Leonard going back to whiney  and insecure, after challenging Penny for being a bitch) , even regressing them to before season 2 levels (I'm Penny, I can't use glue, even though I was making Pennyblossoms.   

When Leonard finds out Penny's married, he still doesn't say anything about Mandy.

Penny proposes, Leonard turns down her proposal, he doesn't say anything about Mandy.

They go back and forth on proposing, nothing is said about Mandy.

They agree to get married, he never says anything about Mandy.

Penny's afraid they have nothing in common (really, after six years, she waits until after they get engaged to bring this up again?)  Though this is minor, as it's not brought up again.  Leonard fixed it by saying nice things)

After a whole season of only mentioning the wedding a couple of times, they agree to elope (after Sheldon prompts them, of course)  and only then does Leonard mention he cheated, but fails to mention he sees her on a day to day basis.

So they both agree they were sabotaging their relationship, TADA, everything is fixed, lets go have sex.  

Let's move out, Penny wants to move out, oh wait, Sheldon's sad, lets not move out. 

Maybe they don't move out because  a few episodes later we find out Penny isn't as happy as she seems.  Nah, that can't be it, it's only a minor problem of not wanting to say why she married Leonard. Although this is a probably a good case of regressing the characters for laughs.  Not to mention she doesn't like living with Sheldon, but she's the one who pushed Leonard into staying.  

 

 

 

 

 

[3ku11]

As Sheldon said That girl needs to get a life lol, loved that episode. Contrived is probably the best way to put it. Itsike Penny was stranger in toon town. Now shes the toon.

11 minutes ago, Tensor said:

That whole Thanksgiving thing, and its extension to Mandy and and through this season provides such excellent examples of how contrived (even retconning things)  they made things, to prevent Leonard and Penny from moving forward. 

 Penny goes to Las Vegas with Zack.  A week later, they see each other, act as if they haven't seen each other in a while, and Penny doesn't mention she was in Vegas with him (or even saw him)  the previous week, when Amy and Bernadette ask her about dating him?

Penny explains to the group about people she knew that got married in Vegas, evidently knowing, you could get married in Vegas.

Things are going well, so lets have Leonard propose, even though they haven't gotten back to even Leonard saying I love you.

Penny isn't sure about staying with Leonard.

The finally spend various episodes over a full season making progress in their relationship.

Leonard Cheats on Penny, and doesn't tell her about it, even thought he told Priya right away.  But, somehow, he tells Howard all about it.  

They regress the characters  from the progress they made the previous seasons(for instance, Leonard going back to whiney  and insecure, after challenging Penny for being a bitch) , even regressing them to before season 2 levels (I'm Penny, I can't use glue, even though I was making Pennyblossoms.   

When Leonard finds out Penny's married, he still doesn't say anything about Mandy.

Penny proposes, Leonard turns down her proposal, he doesn't say anything about Mandy.

They go back and forth on proposing, nothing is said about Mandy.

They agree to get married, he never says anything about Mandy.

Penny's afraid they have nothing in common (really, after six years, she waits until after they get engaged to bring this up again?)  Though this is minor, as it's not brought up again.  Leonard fixed it by saying nice things)

After a whole season of only mentioning the wedding a couple of times, they agree to elope (after Sheldon prompts them, of course)  and only then does Leonard mention he cheated, but fails to mention he sees her on a day to day basis.

So they both agree they were sabotaging their relationship, TADA, everything is fixed, lets go have sex.  

Let's move out, Penny wants to move out, oh wait, Sheldon's sad, lets not move out. 

Maybe they don't move out because  a few episodes later we find out Penny isn't as happy as she seems.  Nah, that can't be it, it's only a minor problem of not wanting to say why she married Leonard. Although this is a probably a good case of regressing the characters for laughs.  Not to mention she doesn't like living with Sheldon, but she's the one who pushed Leonard into staying.  

 

 

 

 

 

Clearly Penny regrets it now lol.

[meka3000]

16 minutes ago, Touche said:

-Do me a favor then, please ask the writers to do a better job of explaining your reasoning and justification in the episodes.  They seem to rely on subtle inferences that all viewers should pick up on, -

but waste time on stale jokes that are repeated ad-nauseum.  Again, just a suggestion IMHO.

-I'm not a writer, nor do I know the actors/writers but I have met with writers like Greg weisman who always talks about not being afraid to be subtle about writing characters and/or their actions. Letting characters express themselves beyond just words, and REALLY getting inside their headcin terms of how they act in terms of complexity.  Just like in real life. i see alot of that kind of writing on this show with its characters.  Penny telling leonard i love you for the first time is a great example of this. It didn't directly tell us why it was a big deal for her.  But long time viewers could easily know why.

 

Also when did it become a law that viewers shouldn't be required to think at all when watching a television show?  Is using critical thinking when it comes to interpreting characters/thoughts/actions/events really that much to ask?

-stale jokes iyo.  Remember bazinga used to be repeated alot?  Now it's heard once in a blue moon.

[910]

1 hour ago, meka3000 said:

-what else would Howard tell Leonard if Leonard confided in him?

-yep, just like she kept the prenup a secret from Howard and told others.

-Leonards a perfect infallible mind reader who would know this and not potentially make a mistake? Also howard knows about keeping secrets from a S.O.

-something that could make her more mad, and then get her mad again, once it's blown over? Yeah that's a good idea. [/sarcasm] Also again Leonards not a perfect robot.

-he felt guilty about it when he needed a reason to sabotage his wedding day and needed to disclose something.  For me its not hard for me to buy that after talking to Howard, he more than likely put it behind him and to the back of his mind.  UNTIL he needed a scape goat.

Again, how do we know what Howard told Leonard because we only find out two plus years later and nothing to suggest that incident ever shows up on screen?  Howard could have told Leonard to confess and Leonard ignored it.  Also, Howard only tells Bernadette, not Raj?  Bernadette might not tell Penny, but she doesn't tell Amy or Emily (because you know Emily is all of a sudden part of the group now even though we never saw Penny and Emily reconcile their differences), but all of a sudden she is included in girls nights that we have never seen on screen.  Oops, no questions please, just accept what new episodes tells you even if they contradict previous episodes.  

Just like the upcoming VDay episode that implies Amy dated right away post breakup even though she didn't date until after episode 9.5 when Sheldon admitted said he asked two women out to move on.  Nope the writers write a quick line and viewers must digest it without question.  

Should Shamy fans hold out hope that Amy and Sheldon actually get married in episode 10.2 because in episode 6.2 Amy did say she saw her and Sheldon getting married in exactly for years.  Yes they broke up and reconciled, but you know, one line solves everything. 

Edited January 31, 2016 by Touche

[JE7]

56 minutes ago, Tensor said:

That whole Thanksgiving thing, and its extension to Mandy and and through this season provides such excellent examples of how contrived (even retconning things)  they made things, to prevent Leonard and Penny from moving forward. 

 Penny goes to Las Vegas with Zack.  A week later, they see each other, act as if they haven't seen each other in a while, and Penny doesn't mention she was in Vegas with him (or even saw him)  the previous week, when Amy and Bernadette ask her about dating him?

Penny explains to the group about people she knew that got married in Vegas, evidently knowing, you could get married in Vegas.

Things are going well, so lets have Leonard propose, even though they haven't gotten back to even Leonard saying I love you.

Penny isn't sure about staying with Leonard.

The finally spend various episodes over a full season making progress in their relationship.

Leonard Cheats on Penny, and doesn't tell her about it, even thought he told Priya right away.  But, somehow, he tells Howard all about it.  

They regress the characters  from the progress they made the previous seasons(for instance, Leonard going back to whiney  and insecure, after challenging Penny for being a bitch) , even regressing them to before season 2 levels (I'm Penny, I can't use glue, even though I was making Pennyblossoms.   

When Leonard finds out Penny's married, he still doesn't say anything about Mandy.

Penny proposes, Leonard turns down her proposal, he doesn't say anything about Mandy.

They go back and forth on proposing, nothing is said about Mandy.

They agree to get married, he never says anything about Mandy.

Penny's afraid they have nothing in common (really, after six years, she waits until after they get engaged to bring this up again?)  Though this is minor, as it's not brought up again.  Leonard fixed it by saying nice things)

After a whole season of only mentioning the wedding a couple of times, they agree to elope (after Sheldon prompts them, of course)  and only then does Leonard mention he cheated, but fails to mention he sees her on a day to day basis.

So they both agree they were sabotaging their relationship, TADA, everything is fixed, lets go have sex.  

Let's move out, Penny wants to move out, oh wait, Sheldon's sad, lets not move out. 

Maybe they don't move out because  a few episodes later we find out Penny isn't as happy as she seems.  Nah, that can't be it, it's only a minor problem of not wanting to say why she married Leonard. Although this is a probably a good case of regressing the characters for laughs.  Not to mention she doesn't like living with Sheldon, but she's the one who pushed Leonard into staying.  

 

 

 

 

 

And this

24 minutes ago, Touche said:

Again, how do we know what Howard told Leonard because we only find out two plus years later and nothing to suggest that incident ever shows up on screen?  Howard could have told Leonard to confess and Leonard ignored it.  Also, Howard only tells Bernadette, not Raj?  Bernadette might not tell Penny, but she doesn't tell Amy or Emily (because you know Emily is all of a sudden part of the group now even though we never saw Penny and Emily reconcile their differences), but all of a sudden she is included in girls nights that we have never seen on screen.  Oops, no questions please, just accept what new episodes tells you even if they contradict previous episodes.  

Just like the upcoming VDay episode that implies Amy dated right away post breakup even though she didn't date until after episode 9.5 when Sheldon admitted said he asked two women out to move on.  Nope the writers write a quick line and viewers must digest it without question.  

Should Shamy fans hold out hope that Amy and Sheldon actually get married in episode 10.2 because in episode 6.2 Amy did say she saw her and Sheldon getting married in exactly for years.  Yes they broke up and reconciled, but you know, one line solves everything. 

 

Edited January 31, 2016 by JE7

[3ku11]

Hell why dont Howardette move in to. Complete the set lol. They can hang out in the kitchen with Lenny. You know because Sheldon s life is in danger...

Edited January 31, 2016 by 3ku11

[meka3000]

20 minutes ago, Tensor said:

That whole Thanksgiving thing, and its extension to Mandy and and through this season provides such excellent examples of how contrived (even retconning things)  they made things, to prevent Leonard and Penny from moving forward. 

 Penny goes to Las Vegas with Zack.  A week later, they see each other, act as if they haven't seen each other in a while, and Penny doesn't mention she was in Vegas with him (or even saw him)  the previous week, when Amy and Bernadette ask her about dating him?

How do you know Thanksgiving didn't happen after 4x10?

Penny explains to the group about people she knew that got married in Vegas, evidently knowing, you could get married in Vegas.

She also explains that she went to "one of those cheesy fake wedding chapels" and some of them out there are fake, so I don't see how its hard to buy into her mistaking which ones are real and which ones aren't, especially when alcohol was involved.  And then her being pressured into the group into believing the cheesy ones might be real.

Leonard Cheats on Penny, and doesn't tell her about it, even thought he told Priya right away.  But, somehow, he tells Howard all about it.

He fears losing Penny more than Priya.  He also told someone else before he told Priya.

They regress the characters  from the progress they made the previous seasons(for instance, Leonard going back to whiney  and insecure, after challenging Penny for being a bitch)

So standing up to her means his insecurities go away? Doubtful.

I'm Penny, I can't use glue, even though I was making Pennyblossoms.

She made one mess with glue, and then made jokes about herself. That doesn't prove she no longer knew how to use glue AT ALL.

When Leonard finds out Penny's married, he still doesn't say anything about Mandy.

Easy to revise as him feeling that was not a good idea at the time.

Penny proposes, Leonard turns 

down her proposal, he doesn't say anything about Mandy.

They go back and forth on proposing, nothing is said about Mandy.

They agree to get married, he never says anything about Mandy.

Again can be interpreted as him not feeling it was a big deal AT THE TIME.

Penny's afraid they have nothing in common (really, after six years, she waits until after they get engaged to bring this up again?)  Though this is minor, as it's not brought up again.  Leonard fixed it by saying nice things)

Characters are never drama queens and never do things at inconvenient times?  You think Leonard fixed that?  I think you read too much into that. 

Nah, that can't be it, it's only a minor problem of not wanting to say why she married Leonard.

In front of a psychiatrist who ALREADY HAD A BAD FIRST IMPRESSION of her.  Now why would she be hesitant to talk to someone like THAT about her marriage?

[910]

5 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

How do you know Thanksgiving didn't happen after 4x10?

 

 

She also explains that she went to "one of those cheesy fake wedding chapels" and some of them out there are fake, so I don't see how its hard to buy into her mistaking which ones are real and which ones aren't, especially when alcohol was involved.  And then her being pressured into the group into believing the cheesy ones might be real.

 

 

He fears losing Penny more than Priya.  He also told someone else before he told Priya.

 

 

So standing up to her means his insecurities go away? Doubtful.

 

 

She made one mess with glue, and then made jokes about herself. That doesn't prove she no longer knew how to use glue AT ALL.

 

 

Easy to revise as him feeling that was not a good idea at the time.

 

 

Again can be interpreted as him not feeling it was a big deal AT THE TIME.

 

 

Characters are never drama queens and never do things at inconvenient times?  You think Leonard fixed that?  I think you read too much into that. 

 

 

In front of a psychiatrist who ALREADY HAD A BAD FIRST IMPRESSION of her.  Now why would she be hesitant to talk to someone like THAT about her marriage?

Thank goodness I joined this forum. I only joined it after episode 9.9 because the drama was too much to handle anymore without knowing spoilers.  However, all these years of watching the show and yes I have rewatched all seasons at least five times in between the long breaks and season finales.  However, I didn't pick up on any of your explanations.  

The point about Thanksgiving Decoupling was rather than pick a fight, (so Penny is not mad at him yet) Leonard could admit wrongdoing.  If not admit to wrongdoing, he at least should not have gotten so upset and insistent that she get the annulment immediately.  Leonard could have been sympathetic and consoled Penny explaining that people do stupid things when they are drunk, but he would help her fix it on Monday.  

Also, thank you for finally explaining the psychiatrist episode to me because rather than reluctance, I saw a woman who could not answer why she married Leonard.  No explanations that she loved him and how smart he is (episode where they make out in Leonard's lab).  However, when she does open up to the psychiatrist while lying on the couch, she still fails to justify why she married Leonard, just complains about being Leonard's mom and living with Sheldon.  

Had I only joined this forum sooner or posted questions every time I had a concern regarding this show, I could have saved myself years of questions or analysis, or discussions with my husband, and just been placated by what I should have seen (your views) not what I thought I saw.

[veejay]

12 minutes ago, Touche said:

Thank goodness I joined this forum. I only joined it after episode 9.9 because the drama was too much to handle anymore without knowing spoilers.  However, all these years of watching the show and yes I have rewatched all seasons at least five times in between the long breaks and season finales.  However, I didn't pick up on any of your explanations.  

The point about Thanksgiving Decoupling was rather than pick a fight, (so Penny is not mad at him yet) Leonard could admit wrongdoing.  If not admit to wrongdoing, he at least should not have gotten so upset and insistent that she get the annulment immediately.  Leonard could have been sympathetic and consoled Penny explaining that people do stupid things when they are drunk, but he would help her fix it on Monday.  

Also, thank you for finally explaining the psychiatrist episode to me because rather than reluctance, I saw a woman who could not answer why she married Leonard.  No explanations that she loved him and how smart he is (episode where they make out in Leonard's lab).  However, when she does open up to the psychiatrist while lying on the couch, she still fails to justify why she married Leonard, just complains about being Leonard's mom and living with Sheldon.  

Had I only joined this forum sooner or posted questions every time I had a concern regarding this show, I could have saved myself years of questions or analysis, or discussions with my husband, and just been placated by what I should have seen (your views) not what I thought I saw.

LOL

[Tensor]

13 minutes ago, Touche said:

Thank goodness I joined this forum. I only joined it after episode 9.9 because the drama was too much to handle anymore without knowing spoilers.  However, all these years of watching the show and yes I have rewatched all seasons at least five times in between the long breaks and season finales.  However, I didn't pick up on any of your explanations.  

The point about Thanksgiving Decoupling was rather than pick a fight, (so Penny is not mad at him yet) Leonard could admit wrongdoing.  If not admit to wrongdoing, he at least should not have gotten so upset and insistent that she get the annulment immediately.  Leonard could have been sympathetic and consoled Penny explaining that people do stupid things when they are drunk, but he would help her fix it on Monday.  

Also, thank you for finally explaining the psychiatrist episode to me because rather than reluctance, I saw a woman who could not answer why she married Leonard.  No explanations that she loved him and how smart he is (episode where they make out in Leonard's lab).  However, when she does open up to the psychiatrist while lying on the couch, she still fails to justify why she married Leonard, just complains about being Leonard's mom and living with Sheldon.  

Had I only joined this forum sooner or posted questions every time I had a concern regarding this show, I could have saved myself years of questions or analysis, or discussions with my husband, and just been placated by what I should have seen (your views) not what I thought I saw.

Or, it's just you see the reaction and interpret them differently. Contrary to some beliefs, you are allowed your interptetation, and it's not really wrong. Nah, that can't be it.  It would mean there is more than one viable interpretation.  And we know that isn't possible. 

[JE7]

24 minutes ago, Touche said:

Thank goodness I joined this forum. I only joined it after episode 9.9 because the drama was too much to handle anymore without knowing spoilers.  However, all these years of watching the show and yes I have rewatched all seasons at least five times in between the long breaks and season finales.  However, I didn't pick up on any of your explanations.  

The point about Thanksgiving Decoupling was rather than pick a fight, (so Penny is not mad at him yet) Leonard could admit wrongdoing.  If not admit to wrongdoing, he at least should not have gotten so upset and insistent that she get the annulment immediately.  Leonard could have been sympathetic and consoled Penny explaining that people do stupid things when they are drunk, but he would help her fix it on Monday.  

Also, thank you for finally explaining the psychiatrist episode to me because rather than reluctance, I saw a woman who could not answer why she married Leonard.  No explanations that she loved him and how smart he is (episode where they make out in Leonard's lab).  However, when she does open up to the psychiatrist while lying on the couch, she still fails to justify why she married Leonard, just complains about being Leonard's mom and living with Sheldon.  

Had I only joined this forum sooner or posted questions every time I had a concern regarding this show, I could have saved myself years of questions or analysis, or discussions with my husband, and just been placated by what I should have seen (your views) not what I thought I saw.

[Itwasdestined]

4 hours ago, Carlos said:

I totally get you. And then to come here and have to put up with Mekka, It's getting more and more difficult to enjoy, I'm telling you.

Over the last 30 years as a teacher I've always had more success in ignoring disruptive behaviour than responding to it. A lot of my more challenging students got bored with having arguments with themselves and gave up! Some of you guys should try it for a few weeks. See how it goes. I know I'll be ignoring any fallout from this post if it comes. My signatures and avatar phrase sums my attitude to life up. 

[luminous]

4 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

Yep, that's pretty much me. I'm still reading most days, waiting for an opportunity to weigh in on positive discussion about Lenny, which when I first joined Tensor would constantly remind us the thread was about. But every time I come in, I decide to ignore the constant competitions for last word, nitpicking of every word used to express an opinion, prophets of doom caterwauling and whoa is me Lenny is not on screen enough compared to Sheldomort. Of course that is Fandom Forum 101 so everyone's entitled to their choice of interaction until intervention ensues and I understand we all feel differently, but there isn't a lot for me to enjoy in here anymore. Tonstar and Mississippi lost faith in the show - I lost faith in the conversation. 

But I'll continue to keep looking waiting for the vibe to return. Glass half full. 

I hope that the positive resp. supportive discussion about Lenny will dominate this thread again someday. As I wrote a short while ago, I miss all the Lenny goodness we used to had in this thread.