Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Judith]

47 minutes ago, Lady in Red said:

Mayim said that a number of different endings for 9x11 were taped, including a snuggle.  In the end, they went for what she called the "giggle".  I think Molaro really loves the once a year line, and he is deliberately dragging out future intimacy between Sheldon and Amy for this reason.  Simple as that.

However, for the last half of S9, Sheldon has been loosening up.  Our totally controlled, almost robotic guy is moving with much more freedom.  All setting up for a giving up of control scene, hopefully early in S10.

I think Molaro likes to troll people.  Anyway, I agree that this is where it's going. Just to be safe though, I'm keeping some doubts. As long as  resolution is satisfying I'll be fine with everything.

26 minutes ago, kerrycec03 said:

I highly DOUBT they ever thought people would read into a 3 min line so much.  Personally I'm stunned by some of the fandom and their reactions.  To each is own, but for me I'm stunned that any Shamy fan cannot see all the positives in the episode.  And how many days later are still harping on line a few lines in an overall positive episode.

 

I seriously left saying "go Amy" for numerous reasons.  And how just like a real marriage or strong relationship, not every fight/error needs a drawn out apology/kiss/make-up/etc.....

I agree that many reactions are going overboard. I understand the frustration about the massage line becuse the timeline is unclear (and if you factor in Beverly's reply, it gets more confusing), but at least it can be fanwanked. For me, Line Substitution was an underwhelming end for Shamy in this season but I see it in a more positive light than before.

And I agree about Amy, I really liked how she handled things.

Edited May 9, 2016 by Judith

[mirs1]

1 hour ago, kerrycec03 said:

I highly DOUBT they ever thought people would read into a 3 min line so much.  Personally I'm stunned by some of the fandom and their reactions.  To each is own, but for me I'm stunned that any Shamy fan cannot see all the positives in the episode.  And how many days later are still harping on line a few lines in an overall positive episode.

 

I seriously left saying "go Amy" for numerous reasons.  And how just like a real marriage or strong relationship, not every fight/error needs a drawn out apology/kiss/make-up/etc.....

Oh, I agree with you, the episode was full of "go Amy" moments; that girl is tough and is perfectly capable of defending herself and gives Sheldon a taste of his own medicine. The episode is positive for Shamy, because they have an issue and they solve it right away, even if Amy complains about old patterns and things which aren't said, she makes very clear that she has a problem with Sheldon's behavior and he apologizes for it. On the other hand, I would have preferred the "massage" line weren't there. I'm sure it hasn't half of the meanings the fandom is giving it, it was one of those throw-away lines (and people were laughing at the taping for it) that are used for a quick  joke. But it touches a very sensible topic for the fandom, how can we be supposed to think that, after all those two went through, there still is a problem for Sheldon to touch Amy? Again,  I'm almost positive that that was not the writers' intention and I'm more than positive that Sheldon has no problem whatsoever in touching Amy (I agree with Lady in Red that both of them are really comfortable with each other now) but, since Season 9 left the "coitus" issue unsolved, I also understand why some fans can be upset by it. I don't agree with what's going on right now on social media, TBH, but some of the complaints might have a point.

Edited May 9, 2016 by mirs1

[April]

As said in the general discussion thread, I think a big part that caused the unhappiness in the fandom is simply the timing. Would there be the same reaction if this was put somewhere in an earlier episode and instead we'd end the season with something like Big Bear? Probably not. I mean, people still wouldn't be happy with the Shamy 1.0 relapse but the following episodes could have compensated for that and we'd end the season on a super happy note. With this on the other hand we are left hanging for the summer with a somewhat underwhelming episode (to some more than others, sure) and the hope that S10 will finally bring winds of change that we're all yearning for (including our very own Captain Jim lol).

Overall I'm rather optimistic that they'll do that and the resulting storyline will probably feel more coherent once we got the whole picture. For better or for worse, leaving the season like that is at least not the same kind of devastating cliffhanger like last year cause Shamy seem to be fine for the most part, and additionally it leaves a bit conflict/drama potential for S10. I think they could do something really interesting with that if they're willing to do so. S9 -especially the first half- proved to me that they can still write episodes that provide some lovely insights into the characters and move them forward (even if only at a snails pace sometimes). So I'll be looking forward to that in S10 as well.

Edited May 9, 2016 by April

[kerrycec03]

Ok I just have to scream though what is wrong with him only giving her a 3 min massage????  There are tons of people who hate giving & getting massages.  And TBH I found it almost bratty of Amy to find that as a gripe.  Maybe its just me but I was like "seriously Amy, give it a break"..... and the fact he DID end up giving you one (regardless of the timeline) and probably not a boring neck one (even if only 3 mins with a timer) is HUGE for him.  I personally only give a 3 min massage to my hubby....so again.....I fail to see why people are all about saving Amy or protecting her.  I understand why they think this, but I simply don't at all.  Especially on her gripes (Babe--ok...but I never would have taken Sheldon being totally ok with being called that---so yea, asking for a drug test is IC to me, and I already explained the massage).

 

Point of the episode, they both may have fell back on bad behavior (him selfish, her "woe is me") BUT they rectified it differently and grew.  I mean Amy is fine.  They are fine.  I'm so happy going into the hiatus. 

 

Now do I think the finale is blah, absolutely.  I wish they would have addressed several of the arcs hanging out there.  But they choose funny comedy.  I personally hate them using guest stars as the drivers with such a strong ensemble to work with, but I'll see when it airs.

 

But this is all about Shamy & I stand by my avatar.  They are sunshine & rainbows!!

Edited May 9, 2016 by kerrycec03

[April]

27 minutes ago, kerrycec03 said:

Point of the episode, they both may have fell back on bad behavior (him selfish, her "woe is me") BUT they rectified it differently and grew.  I mean Amy is fine.  They are fine.  I'm so happy going into the hiatus. 

I think it's exactly the return of the "woe is me" attitude combined with the whole uncertainty about their current physical intimacy. If we knew for certain that Sheldon just doesn't like giving massages so much (nothing wrong with that!) but hey, he made up for it with an extra make out session or whatever then I don't think anyone would complain. But hearing these kind of comments from an upset and sad Amy again after all they've been through this season alone is giving people the impression that she still has to beg for every little bit affection from him and it's giving people flashbacks to times when things weren't as hunky-dory as they are now.

If the comment were framed differently either by making it a pre-breakup thing or we'd know for sure how physically active they're off screen or whatever it could have softened the blow. Then it would just be Amy venting about general issues from the past. Or it would really just be a comment that Sheldon is not a fan of this activity cause we would already know they're engaging in plenty others, so no big deal. 

However, as you already said, the point of the episode seemed to be that they can both fall back into old patterns of behaviour. Tbh, after seeing Shamy 2.0 in action I hope they'll rather stick with that than the old stuff. I hope Sheldon keeps his promise and won't ditch Amy again for some flimsy reason, and I hope Amy finds a way to address their communication issues. She already knows what needs to be fixed and I think it's a solid first step into the right direction.

Edited May 9, 2016 by April

[Jonny]

Amy said in the last episode 'we have got back into the old pattern', it wasn't 'Sheldon has got into the old pattern'. That for me is a big thing and on reflection I would have been way more concerned had she complained just about Sheldon. And to be fair Amy was right, she was not blameless either, she used Stuart as well.

The massage thing to me was just one of those comedy lines, we don't know anything about in what context this supposed massage happened or when. I speculated maybe it happened after the episode in which Sheldon complained about seeing his girlfriend getting a massage by a stranger, maybe Amy just said well if you don't like me getting a massage then you can do it. But again there are different types of massages lol

I don't really follow any of the other TBBT communities on social media but I would expect that the Shamy fanbase is pretty huge considering this is the most watched comedy on TV (vast majority of weeks) and Shamy are pretty unique in terms of television. People just tend to over analyse at times (I am guilty myself) when you become invested or obsessed in something.

Truth is they are fine going into Season 10, sure they are going to have future issues or challenges as they aren't perfect (no couple or person is) but they will come good in the end.

Edited May 9, 2016 by Jonny83

[Ginny Hamilton]

9 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

Amy said in the last episode 'we have got back into the old pattern', it wasn't 'Sheldon has got into the old pattern'. That for me is a big thing and on reflection I would have been way more concerned had she complained just about Sheldon. And to be fair Amy was right, she was not blameless either, she used Stuart as well.

The massage thing to me was just one of those comedy lines, we don't know anything about in what context this supposed massage happened or when. I speculated maybe it happened after the episode in which Sheldon complained about seeing his girlfriend getting a massage by a stranger, maybe Amy just said well if you don't like me getting a massage then you can do it. But again there are different types of massages lol

I don't really follow any of the other TBBT communities on social media but I would expect that the Shamy fanbase is pretty huge considering this is the most watched comedy on TV (vast majority of weeks) and Shamy are pretty unique in terms of television. People just tend to over analyse at times (I am guilty myself) when you become invested or obsessed in something.

Truth is they are fine going into Season 10, sure they are going to have future issues or challenges as they aren't perfect (no couple or person is) but they will come good in the end.

I love your subtle "People just tend to over analyze at times....when you become invested or obsessed in something."  That's a mouthful of truth.  I come away from the forum some days so down.  And then I turn on a rerun and smile, laugh, or just think, "awwww".  Of course, the show has flaws--of course.  But my gosh it helps me get through a day.  And in this world, I'm just plain grateful.  I hesitate to say this for fear I will be analyzed and found deeply wanting....

 

 

[Judith]

1 hour ago, kerrycec03 said:

Ok I just have to scream though what is wrong with him only giving her a 3 min massage????  There are tons of people who hate giving & getting massages.  And TBH I found it almost bratty of Amy to find that as a gripe.  Maybe its just me but I was like "seriously Amy, give it a break"..... and the fact he DID end up giving you one (regardless of the timeline) and probably not a boring neck one (even if only 3 mins with a timer) is HUGE for him.  I personally only give a 3 min massage to my hubby....so again.....I fail to see why people are all about saving Amy or protecting her.  I understand why they think this, but I simply don't at all.  Especially on her gripes (Babe--ok...but I never would have taken Sheldon being totally ok with being called that---so yea, asking for a drug test is IC to me, and I already explained the massage).

 

Point of the episode, they both may have fell back on bad behavior (him selfish, her "woe is me") BUT they rectified it differently and grew.  I mean Amy is fine.  They are fine.  I'm so happy going into the hiatus. 

 

Now do I think the finale is blah, absolutely.  I wish they would have addressed several of the arcs hanging out there.  But they choose funny comedy.  I personally hate them using guest stars as the drivers with such a strong ensemble to work with, but I'll see when it airs.

 

But this is all about Shamy & I stand by my avatar.  They are sunshine & rainbows!!

The problem with the massage line is that it's not clear whether the "five years" line is before or after the break-up. If it's before the break-up, fine. If it's after, and counting in Sheldon's previous history of issues with touching, one would have to wonder why, after they had sex, he still doesn't want to give her a massage. Of course, we could just assume what you said about him being one of those people that don't like giving massages, but with the history of the couple people's first thoughts will be "He still doesn't want to touch her" and by extention "He doesn't want to have sex with her again". Also, there's Beverly's line that complicates things: "This still could be progress for Sheldon" (paraphrasing). It raises a few questions: Does Beverly know that they had sex? And since I doubt that the writers thought that far, a more simple question would be "Why, after they had sex, a timed massage is considered progress?" All that, if the line is about after they made up.

Now, as far as "woe is me" Amy is concerned, I don't see it that way at all. She was just venting to Beverly after Sheldon reverted to Sheldon 1.0. That's understandable. She handled things very well but she's not made of iron. We saw them bonding in the episode, and besides that, she is a psychiatrist.

Edited May 9, 2016 by Judith

[April]

5 minutes ago, Judith said:

Now, as far as "woe is me" Amy is concerned, I don't see it that way at all. She was just venting to Beverly after Sheldon reverted to Sheldon 1.0. That's understandable. She handled things very well but she's not made of iron. We saw them bonding in the episode, and besides that, she is a psychiatrist.

To be fair, Beverly has the uncanny ability to turn people into a sobbing mess. So compared to that Amy was holding up great. lol

[Jonny]

15 minutes ago, Ginny Hamilton said:

I love your subtle "People just tend to over analyze at times....when you become invested or obsessed in something."  That's a mouthful of truth.  I come away from the forum some days so down.  And then I turn on a rerun and smile, laugh, or just think, "awwww".  Of course, the show has flaws--of course.  But my gosh it helps me get through a day.  And in this world, I'm just plain grateful.  I hesitate to say this for fear I will be analyzed and found deeply wanting....

 

 

lol well I already know what I am going to over analyse and obsess about during the summer and that's probably the coitus issue especially when people have planted this small seed of doubt in my head about whether Sheldon genuinely wanted to do it or not. I'll be worrying most of the summer wondering if the writers are about to make a humongous mistake and make it an Amy birthday gift thing only.

Like I said I think we are all guilty of it at times because we love the show.

Edited May 9, 2016 by Jonny83

[Judith]

4 minutes ago, April said:

To be fair, Beverly has the uncanny ability to turn people into a sobbing mess. So compared to that Amy was holding up great. lol

Yes, and that's one of the reasons I liked their interactions so much...It wasn't played for laughs, Beverly actually empathised with her and they talked almost like friends.

[April]

5 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

lol well I already know what I am going to over analyse and obsess about during the summer and that's probably the coitus issue especially when people have planted this small seed of doubt in my head about whether Sheldon genuinely wanted to do it or not. I'll be worrying most of the summer wondering if the writers are about to make a humongous mistake and make it an Amy birthday gift thing only.

Like I said I think we are all guilty of it at times because we love the show.

So true! I think sometimes it's hard not to let it get into your head when everyone is drinking the haterade - some more than others. Occasionally I also find myself thinking "I wouldn't be worried about [x] at all if it weren't for some people and their pesky opinions!" (she says like a Scooby Doo villain lol)

3 minutes ago, Judith said:

Yes, and that's one of the reasons I liked their interactions so much...It wasn't played for laughs, Beverly actually empathised with her and they talked almost like friends.

Beverly and the girls were the highlight of the episode for me! <3

[Judith]

I'm pretty resilient as far as other people's opinions are concerned, so I predict me being in a good mood this summer and looking forward to August. Though I wouldn't mind reading more positive posts on Tumblr right now.

I do have some doubts of my own though, just as a precaution. 

[2L344]

2 hours ago, kerrycec03 said:

Ok I just have to scream though what is wrong with him only giving her a 3 min massage????  There are tons of people who hate giving & getting massages.  And TBH I found it almost bratty of Amy to find that as a gripe.  Maybe its just me but I was like "seriously Amy, give it a break"..... and the fact he DID end up giving you one (regardless of the timeline) and probably not a boring neck one (even if only 3 mins with a timer) is HUGE for him.  I personally only give a 3 min massage to my hubby....so again.....I fail to see why people are all about saving Amy or protecting her.  I understand why they think this, but I simply don't at all.  Especially on her gripes (Babe--ok...but I never would have taken Sheldon being totally ok with being called that---so yea, asking for a drug test is IC to me, and I already explained the massage).

 

Point of the episode, they both may have fell back on bad behavior (him selfish, her "woe is me") BUT they rectified it differently and grew.  I mean Amy is fine.  They are fine.  I'm so happy going into the hiatus. 

 

Now do I think the finale is blah, absolutely.  I wish they would have addressed several of the arcs hanging out there.  But they choose funny comedy.  I personally hate them using guest stars as the drivers with such a strong ensemble to work with, but I'll see when it airs.

 

But this is all about Shamy & I stand by my avatar.  They are sunshine & rainbows!!

I agree with you. I don't care for massages while my wife loves them. I'll give her a neck/shoulder rub when we watch tv when she asks, but she knows I don't care for giving them much because 1) I'm usually kicking back and relaxing when she asks and 2) Hey, it's work and my hands feel a little raw afterwards lol...but I give them. So, I can sympathize with Sheldon lol...

I think the problem, though, is in the context with which that episode applies that throw away--Amy equates the Stuart substitution with Sheldon not wanting to spend time with her (not ditching a "chore" shopping trip in favor of hanging out with the guys, which is the real reason), she complains that Sheldon grudgingly gives her that massage (the premise being he disliked the intimacy of touching her in the massage), and she vents to Bev about what she describes as their falling back on bad habits and not communicating. All that in one episode has the potential of undoing what otherwise has been a pretty good post-coitus season for Shamy shippers. Yeah, I love how Amy handled it ultimately and the fact Sheldon apologized, much better than how Shamy 1.0 would've handled it, and maybe that's the point. However....

For those shipping our couple it's easy to fall into the trap of "here we go again" when you see Amy being insecure about the relationship after all that has happened this season. Personally, when Amy decided to reconcile with Sheldon without any strings, I felt that we should all be spared any further episodes in which she whines about or laments her wasted time on a guy who is being his self-centered self. After all, it's what she wanted right? That's what she signed up for when she pitched the gf thing again after the aquarium.

And for me, when Sheldon has his Earworm moment and finally "gets it" when it comes to Amy, I thought we would see the end of his crappy treatment of Amy. And with coitus following on the heels of this reconciliation I thought we would be getting some more signs of affection from him in the future (a kiss, hand holding, hugs, a compliment--whatever). Yet the writers haven't given us much of the physical, if any, which is puzzling. The couple appear more comfortable and for the most part communicate better and have yucked it up on FWF and Big Bear, but the physical stuff has escaped them. They got more action with the mandated RA date night stuff...

I've mellowed a bit and tend to be more optimistic despite all the above, and I'm hoping S10 will address everything (and soon). If we don't start tying some of these things up early into S10, I'll probably revert to my complaining about writers who choose to milk a dead cow with some of the themes. But until then I keep telling myself "baby steps" and patience--we've had a lot of stuff thrown at us this season and progress has been made if we look at the big picture of S9 rather than at each individual episode.  I have faith that these writers who gave us some pretty good Shamy stuff this season are prepared to give us some more goodness next season.

Edited May 9, 2016 by 2L344

[Stephen Hawking]

3 hours ago, kerrycec03 said:

and the fact he DID end up giving you one.

But what about the massage?  

[x~Jess~x]

You see, the frustrating thing about these throwaway lines is that we have little or no context/ backstory. The thing is, at the end of the day, people believe whatever they want to believe. If people want to take this as a negative thing, "oh, Sheldon must not be attracted to her", "he only had sex with her as a gift", "they're going back to the way it was before", etc, then that's what they'll see. I however, do not see it that way. I think a lot of people on social media missed the point of this episode. Sure, they could of given us a better end to the season, but tbh I think they're just stalling for time until they find out how many more seasons they have. To me, the main point of this episode was about how they ALMOST went back to the way they were before. ALMOST. But they didn't. This time, Sheldon apologised (sure, it was rushed, but still genuine) and Amy accepted almost right away, and they were able to move on. This is key here. They are stronger now, and what would have been a big deal a year or two ago is now easily fixed. Heck, if we spent all our time worrying about things we almost did then life would be very complicated lol.

As for the whole massage thing - I've spent a lot of time thinking about this, and I've come up with three theories:

1. My first thought, was that we were missing a lot of backstory to this comment. I do believe, as a few of you have said, that this was somehow linked to the mall massage comment in The Fermentation Bifurcation. If this is not the case, then it seems weird to me (however the situation came about) that Sheldon would just pick the random time of 3 minutes for a massage. If he didn't like touching her, and he really didn't want to give her a massage - then he wouldn't. Seems a little strange to me that people still think he's not attracted to her... even after all they're been through, earlier in the season the option was definitely there for them just to be friends, if that's all he wanted. But no, she came back to him, and he came back to her. Like the saying goes, "if you love someone, let them go. If they come back, they're yours." And she's his heartworm  They're happy together. Sure, they have ups and downs, but doesn't every couple? And I'd take this season finale over last season finale any day. Anyway, going back to what I was supposed to be talking about... (lol sorry, sometimes I get sidetracked) in terms of the massage, I can imagine the following situation taking place:

*Shamy entering Amy's apartment after the mall massage incident*

Amy: "...And I still can't believe you dragged me away from my massage to go to the train store. I had three minutes left!"

Sheldon: "Well, I wanted to stop by there on the way home, and it was the optimum time for ensuring minimal traffic."

Amy: "...Nonsense. You were jealous."

Sheldon: "Look, I told you - I just don't like to see my girlfriend getting groped by a stranger."

Amy: "Sheldon, it was in public! What did you think was going to happen??"

Sheldon: "...I saw the way he smiled at you when he swiped your card."

Amy: "Now you're being ridiculous. You're such a jerk sometimes, I didn't do anything wrong!"

Sheldon: *Sigh* "Ok... fine. Maybe I was jealous. I'm sorry."

Amy: "...Hmph."

Sheldon: "What can I do to make it right?"

Amy: "Well... you could always finish the massage..."

Sheldon: *Shrugs* "Ok."

Amy: *Smiles*

Sheldon: "You had three minutes left. I'll go set a timer."

Amy: "..."

Lol

2. There's a part of me that wonders if Sheldon is still trying to fight his feelings for her. I mean, sure, he's committed to her, and she knows he loves her, but I think in some aspects he still sees it as a weakness, and despite realising he isn't the robot he always aspired to be, the physical component of their relationship is still new, and scary. He still doesn't know what to do with these feelings, and having the timer is a way to stop it before it goes any further. Hopefully we'll see them dealing with this sometime in early season 10, as surely this issue has to be addressed sooner or later.

3. Maybe we're just overthinking everything, and this is literally just a throwaway line lol. But overthinking things is what we do best hehe.

...So there's my thoughts on everything. Of course, it's absolutely fine if you don't agree - just wanted to share my opinion.  ...And sorry for the long post lol, this took me way too long to write!

 

 

[serena_1995]

Considering that 7-8 months ago, we had to see Sheldon imply to Amy that he was sleeping with other girls(douchebag alert, 9x02) or Sheldon trying to ask out women in bars or Sheldon finding a new girlfriend on Craigslist and Amy was also going on dates, I think season 9 finale is a HUGE improvement for Shamy. LOL.

We even had to witness a full on Shenny kiss(what a cheap gimmick by CBS, btw).   

Compared to all that , season  finale seems like a welcome relief  !  And I'm thankful to the writers, atleast for now. Will worry about season 10 later.

Edit:  I also want to see a makeout scene with Shamy in 4A. Amy jumps on Sheldon and wraps her legs around him, like Penny did. The writers need to get the memo, that few fans want to see Shamy fight every episode in season 10. Otherwise, they'll lose fans AND viewer ratings.

Edited May 10, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[Ranger Rosa]

2 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Edit:  I also want to see a makeout scene with Shamy in 4A. Amy jumps on Sheldon and wraps her legs around him, like Penny did. Its actually in character for Amy, because she can be very enthusiastic at times, haha.  The writers need to get the memo, that few fans want to see Shamy fight every episode in season 10. Otherwise, they'll lose fans AND viewer ratings.

I want that too! It would be pure Shamy porn. But we all know it is very hard to happen due Mayim's religion, modesty and stuff. It's a pity, but thankfully we fans have fanfic writers and fanarts! 

[joyceraye]

8 hours ago, x~Jess~x said:

You see, the frustrating thing about these throwaway lines is that we have little or no context/ backstory. The thing is, at the end of the day, people believe whatever they want to believe. If people want to take this as a negative thing, "oh, Sheldon must not be attracted to her", "he only had sex with her as a gift", "they're going back to the way it was before", etc, then that's what they'll see. I however, do not see it that way. I think a lot of people on social media missed the point of this episode. Sure, they could of given us a better end to the season, but tbh I think they're just stalling for time until they find out how many more seasons they have. To me, the main point of this episode was about how they ALMOST went back to the way they were before. ALMOST. But they didn't. This time, Sheldon apologised (sure, it was rushed, but still genuine) and Amy accepted almost right away, and they were able to move on. This is key here. They are stronger now, and what would have been a big deal a year or two ago is now easily fixed. Heck, if we spent all our time worrying about things we almost did then life would be very complicated lol.

As for the whole massage thing - I've spent a lot of time thinking about this, and I've come up with three theories:

1. My first thought, was that we were missing a lot of backstory to this comment. I do believe, as a few of you have said, that this was somehow linked to the mall massage comment in The Fermentation Bifurcation. If this is not the case, then it seems weird to me (however the situation came about) that Sheldon would just pick the random time of 3 minutes for a massage. If he didn't like touching her, and he really didn't want to give her a massage - then he wouldn't. Seems a little strange to me that people still think he's not attracted to her... even after all they're been through, earlier in the season the option was definitely there for them just to be friends, if that's all he wanted. But no, she came back to him, and he came back to her. Like the saying goes, "if you love someone, let them go. If they come back, they're yours." And she's his heartworm  They're happy together. Sure, they have ups and downs, but doesn't every couple? And I'd take this season finale over last season finale any day. Anyway, going back to what I was supposed to be talking about... (lol sorry, sometimes I get sidetracked) in terms of the massage, I can imagine the following situation taking place:

*Shamy entering Amy's apartment after the mall massage incident*

Amy: "...And I still can't believe you dragged me away from my massage to go to the train store. I had three minutes left!"

Sheldon: "Well, I wanted to stop by there on the way home, and it was the optimum time for ensuring minimal traffic."

Amy: "...Nonsense. You were jealous."

Sheldon: "Look, I told you - I just don't like to see my girlfriend getting groped by a stranger."

Amy: "Sheldon, it was in public! What did you think was going to happen??"

Sheldon: "...I saw the way he smiled at you when he swiped your card."

Amy: "Now you're being ridiculous. You're such a jerk sometimes, I didn't do anything wrong!"

Sheldon: *Sigh* "Ok... fine. Maybe I was jealous. I'm sorry."

Amy: "...Hmph."

Sheldon: "What can I do to make it right?"

Amy: "Well... you could always finish the massage..."

Sheldon: *Shrugs* "Ok."

Amy: *Smiles*

Sheldon: "You had three minutes left. I'll go set a timer."

Amy: "..."

Lol

 

 

 

I like the first one best, although I fear the second one may be nearer the mark. I hope it's not the third.

It's the 'five years' that puzzles me. From when is she dating the five years ?

[A Shamy gal]

I really don't get the reactions to the 3 minute massage line.  For me, without any context, it's just a throwaway line.  It is however another example of the writers 'forgetting' what they've done before because Sheldon offered to give her a neck massage in 5.8 before they were even officially boyfriend/girlfriend.

[camelliayao]

7 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

I really don't get the reactions to the 3 minute massage line.  For me, without any context, it's just a throwaway line.  It is however another example of the writers 'forgetting' what they've done before because Sheldon offered to give her a neck massage in 5.8 before they were even officially boyfriend/girlfriend.

That's right! But I think this is exactly why some of us are frustrated. Because this is lazy writing. It's inconsistant with the previous plots. Because it's already the end of season 9 and based on all the things that have happend, Sheldon really shouldn't be that loath to have physical intimacy with Amy. Yet the writers are reluctant to let go of these "Amy wants intimacy and Sheldon doesn't" jokes because they've been writing these for years and are too familiar with them. So maybe this time we can treat it as a throwaway line. But if these things like this keep happening, I couldn't help but wonder which version of the story is true.

Sorry if this is not a supportive comment. I don't know how to quote this and post it on another thread.

[Jonny]

3 hours ago, camelliayao said:

That's right! But I think this is exactly why some of us are frustrated. Because this is lazy writing. It's inconsistant with the previous plots. Because it's already the end of season 9 and based on all the things that have happend, Sheldon really shouldn't be that loath to have physical intimacy with Amy. Yet the writers are reluctant to let go of these "Amy wants intimacy and Sheldon doesn't" jokes because they've been writing these for years and are too familiar with them. So maybe this time we can treat it as a throwaway line. But if these things like this keep happening, I couldn't help but wonder which version of the story is true.

Sorry if this is not a supportive comment. I don't know how to quote this and post it on another thread.

In a way it's kind of supportive as you want the best for Shamy but are pointing out some ways they could improve it.

I have a hard time believing that Sheldon the character would still have problems with the lesser intimacy signs of affection when he has just had sex with Amy. But they haven't as far as I recall really touched since 9x11 when they held hands after the big event, that's just a little bit odd to me. He did have his arm around her during the Meemaw visit and Amy stroked his shoulder but that was in the context of them supporting each other.

As Jim would say they have gone back to that glacial pace again it seems.

Edited May 10, 2016 by Jonny83

[Soopysue]

14 hours ago, x~Jess~x said:

You see, the frustrating thing about these throwaway lines is that we have little or no context/ backstory. The thing is, at the end of the day, people believe whatever they want to believe. If people want to take this as a negative thing, "oh, Sheldon must not be attracted to her", "he only had sex with her as a gift", "they're going back to the way it was before", etc, then that's what they'll see. I however, do not see it that way. I think a lot of people on social media missed the point of this episode. Sure, they could of given us a better end to the season, but tbh I think they're just stalling for time until they find out how many more seasons they have. To me, the main point of this episode was about how they ALMOST went back to the way they were before. ALMOST. But they didn't. This time, Sheldon apologised (sure, it was rushed, but still genuine) and Amy accepted almost right away, and they were able to move on. This is key here. They are stronger now, and what would have been a big deal a year or two ago is now easily fixed. Heck, if we spent all our time worrying about things we almost did then life would be very complicated lol.

As for the whole massage thing - I've spent a lot of time thinking about this, and I've come up with three theories:

1. My first thought, was that we were missing a lot of backstory to this comment. I do believe, as a few of you have said, that this was somehow linked to the mall massage comment in The Fermentation Bifurcation. If this is not the case, then it seems weird to me (however the situation came about) that Sheldon would just pick the random time of 3 minutes for a massage. If he didn't like touching her, and he really didn't want to give her a massage - then he wouldn't. Seems a little strange to me that people still think he's not attracted to her... even after all they're been through, earlier in the season the option was definitely there for them just to be friends, if that's all he wanted. But no, she came back to him, and he came back to her. Like the saying goes, "if you love someone, let them go. If they come back, they're yours." And she's his heartworm  They're happy together. Sure, they have ups and downs, but doesn't every couple? And I'd take this season finale over last season finale any day. Anyway, going back to what I was supposed to be talking about... (lol sorry, sometimes I get sidetracked) in terms of the massage, I can imagine the following situation taking place:

*Shamy entering Amy's apartment after the mall massage incident*

Amy: "...And I still can't believe you dragged me away from my massage to go to the train store. I had three minutes left!"

Sheldon: "Well, I wanted to stop by there on the way home, and it was the optimum time for ensuring minimal traffic."

Amy: "...Nonsense. You were jealous."

Sheldon: "Look, I told you - I just don't like to see my girlfriend getting groped by a stranger."

Amy: "Sheldon, it was in public! What did you think was going to happen??"

Sheldon: "...I saw the way he smiled at you when he swiped your card."

Amy: "Now you're being ridiculous. You're such a jerk sometimes, I didn't do anything wrong!"

Sheldon: *Sigh* "Ok... fine. Maybe I was jealous. I'm sorry."

Amy: "...Hmph."

Sheldon: "What can I do to make it right?"

Amy: "Well... you could always finish the massage..."

Sheldon: *Shrugs* "Ok."

Amy: *Smiles*

Sheldon: "You had three minutes left. I'll go set a timer."

Amy: "..."

Lol

2. There's a part of me that wonders if Sheldon is still trying to fight his feelings for her. I mean, sure, he's committed to her, and she knows he loves her, but I think in some aspects he still sees it as a weakness, and despite realising he isn't the robot he always aspired to be, the physical component of their relationship is still new, and scary. He still doesn't know what to do with these feelings, and having the timer is a way to stop it before it goes any further. Hopefully we'll see them dealing with this sometime in early season 10, as surely this issue has to be addressed sooner or later.

3. Maybe we're just overthinking everything, and this is literally just a throwaway line lol. But overthinking things is what we do best hehe.

...So there's my thoughts on everything. Of course, it's absolutely fine if you don't agree - just wanted to share my opinion.  ...And sorry for the long post lol, this took me way too long to write!

 

 

Love all of this - thank you

Agree 100% - sometimes I think over analysing is the problem !

[x~Jess~x]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I like the first one best, although I fear the second one may be nearer the mark. I hope it's not the third.

It's the 'five years' that puzzles me. From when is she dating the five years ?

Yes, I would prefer the first one also. Although if the second one does turn out to be true, then I wouldn't be too upset about it. I think this would very in character, and I have wondered for a while if this is what is going on. It would explain why we haven't heard anything about it - it's deliberately being avoided. Not only by the writers, but by the characters too. Anyway, the reason why I wouldn't be upset is because I think that if the writers handle this correctly, then this very well could be a good storyline, with a resolution we're happy with. Sheldon dealing with feelings is a common theme in TBBT. But yes, yes - I know it's a lot to ask anyone to put their faith in the writers, I'm not saying I trust them 100%, (which I don't) but all I will say is that sure, they've made a lot of mistakes this season, especially with continuity, but they've also shown that when it comes down to it they can handle some sensitive topics well. I'm just hoping that they can do this in season 10 (and can improve some aspects of their general episode writing...) Take good care of our couple please, writers! Gosh, this must be what parents feel like when they drop their kids off at daycare lol.

I hope it's not the third either. But I suppose even if it is, they'll have to address this issue at some point soon anyway.

As for the five years... I'm really not sure. If it was pre-breakup, then that's not too bad. If it was post-breakup, then I guess the first two theories of my previous post are still a possibility. Unfortunately, we'll probably never find out.

1 hour ago, Soopysue said:

Love all of this - thank you

Agree 100% - sometimes I think over analysing is the problem !

No problem! Thank you too

Absolutely. When you're really focused in on something, it can be hard to step back and see perspective. I was just trying to shed some light on the situation - I refuse to have another Summer of worry!

 

[2L344]

So Molaro declares he doesnt see a wedding in the "near future" for Shamy...I wonder what his interpretation of "near" is?

Edited May 10, 2016 by 2L344