Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Susana Alcira]

Happy and calm hiatus to all of you, Shamies!

[Jonny]

After reading some of the Molaro interviews I just wonder if the big elephant in the room i.e. the Living arrangement situation could have a detrimental impact on the development and in particular the pacing of the Shamy story-line.

Every interview I've read seems to indicate the writers have a great deal of trepidation and fear about resolving the living arrangement situation, which is understandable from their point of view. In my mind Shamy getting engaged wouldn't necessarily have to change that in the short-term but maybe the writers feel both plots in a way are linked heavily, it would certainly feel that way going off some of the interviews.

I guess we will find out in Season 10 and whether the engagement ring comes up again.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Jonny83

[Riley7]

I don't know... it's like I'm the only one who thinks Shamy's in good place rn. I just loved the last three episodes. They were funny and most of it was Shamy-drama free. I just think we need to chill out and watch Earworm and Opening Night again... all is well in our fandom guys. 

[Jedichic98]

1 minute ago, Riley7 said:

I don't know... it's like I'm the only one who thinks Shamy's in good place rn. I just loved the last three episodes. They were funny and most of it was Shamy-drama free. I just think we need to chill out and watch Earworm and Opening Night again... all is well in our fandom guys. 

Oh sweetie, you are not the only one.

I'm sure I've annoyed a good number of posters with my endless well of Shamy optimism 

[Soopysue]

35 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

After reading some of the Molaro interviews I just wonder if the big elephant in the room i.e. the Living arrangement situation could have a detrimental impact on the development and in particular the pacing of the Shamy story-line.

Every interview I've read seems to indicate the writers have a great deal of trepidation and fear about resolving the living arrangement situation, which is understandable from their point of view. If In my mind Shamy getting engaged wouldn't necessarily have to change that in the short-term but maybe the writers feel both plots in a way are linked heavily, it would certainly feel that way going off some of the interviews.

I guess we will find out in Season 10 and whether the engagement ring comes up again.

I defiantly think engagement will come before living arrangements, nothing "DNA" wise for the show would be altered for the writing that way, gives them time to change things with LA slowly , Shamy sleepovers etc  

 

[Jonny]

7 minutes ago, Riley7 said:

I don't know... it's like I'm the only one who thinks Shamy's in good place rn. I just loved the last three episodes. They were funny and most of it was Shamy-drama free. I just think we need to chill out and watch Earworm and Opening Night again... all is well in our fandom guys. 

I think they are in a pretty good place as well. I am just thinking about season 10 and what further development and growth we may or may not get.

[Judith]

3 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

After reading some of the Molaro interviews I just wonder if the big elephant in the room i.e. the Living arrangement situation could have a detrimental impact on the development and in particular the pacing of the Shamy story-line.

Every interview I've read seems to indicate the writers have a great deal of trepidation and fear about resolving the living arrangement situation, which is understandable from their point of view. In my mind Shamy getting engaged wouldn't necessarily have to change that in the short-term but maybe the writers feel both plots in a way are linked heavily, it would certainly feel that way going off some of the interviews.

I guess we will find out in Season 10 and whether the engagement ring comes up again.

I don't think that the living arrangements would necessarily have to change if Sheldon and Amy got engaged, at least not until they got married. If they get married though and Amy moves in with Sheldon and Lenny I'll have to cut a bitch lol.

I'm sure though that once (if?) Shamy get engaged, the pressure about living arrangements will increase tenfold from the media, the fans, etc. So, I think we can safely say that the writers are going to go slow about this. Molaro mentioned something about experimenting with LA, which could mean that Sheldon will live on his own for a bit at first, until they figure out what to do with Amy. That would also be great for him and preferable for me.

I think that Molaro and co. have started to think about it. As for Shamy, I expect 1-2 developments in s10. One would be about their sex life in the first part of the season and the other an engagement somewhere in the middle or towards the end.

3 hours ago, Riley7 said:

I don't know... it's like I'm the only one who thinks Shamy's in good place rn. I just loved the last three episodes. They were funny and most of it was Shamy-drama free. I just think we need to chill out and watch Earworm and Opening Night again... all is well in our fandom guys. 

Oh no! You're not the only one :). I think they're great.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Tensor
Comment about another ship removed.

[Stephen Hawking]

On 5/14/2016 at 1:27 AM, Jonny83 said:

But if we are talking purely Shamy I did have Opening Night as No.1 but I've now changed my opinion and Earworm is probably taking the top place for me having seen it again.

IMO, three stories tied for best episode.

Opening Night, Earworm and Platonic Permutation.

31 minutes ago, Jedichic98 said:

Oh sweetie, you are not the only one.

Did anyone else hear that line in Penny's voice?

[Jonny]

We will no doubt talk about it more during the summer and when we start to hear plot rumors but I think the three possible outcomes to the sex life question are:

1. They are physical again before her birthday. Doesn't have to be another bed scene if the writers are worried about moving their relationship too fast on screen , it could be a scene for example the next morning when it's clear that Amy stayed overnight at 4A and they slept together.

2. They are physical again on her birthday. Not what I would prefer in all honestly but if both are happy to wait until then that's fine by me. It's possible their physical connection may take some time to develop so they may start off slow for a while. But then this raises the question of how much Sheldon really wants to be physical, can he only express it as a gift etc.

Worst case scenario:

3. They haven't been physical since Opening Night and the writers decide it's funny that Sheldon doesn't initiate/doesn't want to be physical on her birthday. It's pretty obvious that Amy will be expecting it to happen if not before her birthday but at least on her birthday again with the line that he said in The 'Opening Night Excitation'. I think this outcome could cause major problems in their relationship going forward and make them question what they really want or need from the relationship again.

So my preference is easily 1, could maybe accept 2 if it's done properly, but 3 will have me screaming at the writers. Maybe there is a fourth option that it's heavily implied that it happened again but we see nothing whatsoever on screen. I would take that over scenario 3, which for me is a really stupid outcome.

[Carm6773]

2 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

We will no doubt talk about it more during the summer and when we start to hear plot rumors but I think the three possible outcomes to the sex life question are:

1. They are physical again before her birthday. Doesn't have to be another bed scene if the writers are worried about moving their relationship too fast on screen , it could be a scene for example the next morning when it's clear that Amy stayed overnight at 4A and they slept together.

2. They are physical again on her birthday. Not what I would prefer in all honestly but if both are happy to wait until then that's fine by me. It's possible their physical connection may take some time to develop so they may start off slow for a while. But then this raises the question of how much Sheldon really wants to be physical, can he only express it as a gift etc.

Worst case scenario:

3. They haven't been physical since Opening Night and the writers decide it's funny that Sheldon doesn't initiate/doesn't want to be physical on her birthday. It's pretty obvious that Amy will be expecting it to happen if not before her birthday but at least on her birthday again with the line that he said in The 'Opening Night Excitation'. I think this outcome could cause major problems in their relationship going forward and make them question what they really want or need from the relationship again.

So my preference is easily 1, could maybe accept 2 if it's done properly, but 3 will have me screaming at the writers. Maybe there is a fourth option that it's heavily implied that it happened again but we see nothing whatsoever on screen. I would take that over scenario 3, which for me is a really stupid outcome.

I wish Option 4 was Sheldon becomes a sexual being and can't keep his hands off Amy.  Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen...

[Stephen Hawking]

14 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

Maybe there is a fourth option that it's heavily implied that it happened again but we see nothing whatsoever on screen.

Some of Amy's comments, in Positive Negative Reaction, suggests they have had sex again.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Jedichic98]

The writers are being cryptic enough that it can go either way, which is why if it turns out that they have been doing it all along (which is what I believe) it'd be believable 

however if it turns out they haven't, then I think (as a writer) it would be interesting to watch Sheldon struggle with expressing his desires and emotions to Amy. I've always loved moments/episodes that delve into Sheldon's psyche, as Beverly has said he has a "brilliant and complicated mind" 

Plus it would be funny to watch Sheldon be "suggestive" in his own "Sheldon" way. Maybe make comments on how her hips offer her "an evolutionary advantage" 

[Stephen Hawking]

2 minutes ago, Jedichic98 said:

Maybe make comments on how her hips offer her "an evolutionary advantage" 

How do hips which only open 22 degrees, give her an evolutionary advantage?

[Jedichic98]

Just now, Stephen Hawking said:

How do hips which only open 22 degrees, give her an evolutionary advantage?

Well if you consider the possibility that that was a throwaway line (if not there are ways to improve flexibility) 

Wide hips and prominent hindquarters suggest a future in successful childbearing. 

[Judith]

24 minutes ago, Jedichic98 said:

The writers are being cryptic enough that it can go either way, which is why if it turns out that they have been doing it all along (which is what I believe) it'd be believable 

however if it turns out they haven't, then I think (as a writer) it would be interesting to watch Sheldon struggle with expressing his desires and emotions to Amy. I've always loved moments/episodes that delve into Sheldon's psyche, as Beverly has said he has a "brilliant and complicated mind" 

Plus it would be funny to watch Sheldon be "suggestive" in his own "Sheldon" way. Maybe make comments on how her hips offer her "an evolutionary advantage" 

The problem is, if the writers decide that S and A haven't done it again but still want S to want to repeat the event (outside her actual birthday), they'll have to come up with an explanation for all these months in between where there has been no clue as to what is going on from Sheldon's side. Apart from him trying to process things or repressing/not knowing how to proceed I can't think of any other way to do this. I just hope they don't come up with something stupid like "Sheldon can only get turned on if he's writing a contract with Amy wearing a purple overall with polka dots balancing her famous spinach dip (or wtf that was) on one hand and a tray of strawberry quick on the other". And then we'll supposedly say "Oh, THAT'S why he hasn't done anything all this time". That would be so underwhelming.

Anyway, I just hope they know what they're doing and that the fans are letting them know what they want.

[Carm6773]

 

25 minutes ago, Jedichic98 said:

Well if you consider the possibility that that was a throwaway line (if not there are ways to improve flexibility) 

Wide hips and prominent hindquarters suggest a future in successful childbearing. 

Can't find the clip right now, but back in Season 4 in Pulled Groin, Amy said that one of the reasons that she thought Leonard "fell in love with her" was her "dang pelvis".

Completely off topic story:  I work at a middle school as a counselor.  I was doing lunch duty one day when I overheard one of the kids in the line talking about my "big booty" (it is kinda on the big side).  I just turned around and stated "For your information, these are authentic German birthing hips!"  Didn't have a problem in the lunch line for the rest of the year...

Edited May 15, 2016 by Carm6773

[BigBangEnthusiast]

13 minutes ago, Judith said:

The problem is, if the writers decide that S and A haven't done it again but still want S to want to repeat the event (outside her actual birthday), they'll have to come up with an explanation for all these months in between where there has been no clue as to what is going on from Sheldon's side. Apart from him trying to process things or repressing/not knowing how to proceed I can't think of any other way to do this. I just hope they don't come up with something stupid like "Sheldon can only get turned on if he's writing a contract with Amy wearing a purple overall with polka dots balancing her famous spinach dip (or wtf that was) on one hand and a tray of strawberry quick on the other". And then we'll supposedly say "Oh, THAT'S why he hasn't done anything all this time". That would be so underwhelming.

Anyway, I just hope they know what they're doing and that the fans are letting them know what they want.

It's possible he thinks Amy wants to wait until her next birthday because when Sheldon said, "I can't wait until your next birthday when we do it again," Amy answered with, "That works for me." Even though Amy's been sending him hints, he isn't picking up on them.

[kazzie]

Echoing what I just posted in the Season 9 thread.. Its SO nice to have a low key finale.. no cliffhangers causing a less stressful hiatus last the last 2 years.. I'm totally calm and chill.. And knowing Shamy are in such a good place. They are comfortable and anyone would think they are happily married. 

I don't think Sheldon is taking a step back with his behavior.. I think he's just being Sheldon. The writers have to keep some of his charecter going which is where the comedy is with him. I'm kinda glad they slowed down with shamy in the second half of the season. The first half was so exhausting, while incredible, Still exhausting. When we got sex it was that build up we have been waiting for!. Then after it was kinda like.. now what?. Personally, (like I said a while back) It felt like the calm after the storm. I like that we have an opportunity to build up anticipation for the next big step.. It keeps it more exciting I think.

Engagement I honestly can't predict. I guess we will have to see how S10 starts and how many more season's we are going to get.

I am hoping to re-watch season 9 and write up a full season review, Or V-Log it when I get the opportunity.. Real life is very very busy right now (Back working full time, Moving to a new place, Muse concerts, Trips to Prague, Frankfurt and Paris lines  up).. But it will come during hiatus, I promise!

Next big BBT related event for me is San Diego ComicCon in July. Tapings wise, I doubt I can go back later in the year due to lack of cash (Moving into my own apartment), Time off from work and well, My ban  However I certainly plan on going back to a taping here and there during S10 (Via other means). However, I will not be attending on the scale I used to. But that's totally ok! 

- Kaz

Edited May 15, 2016 by kazzie

[tallin]

4 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

After reading some of the Molaro interviews I just wonder if the big elephant in the room i.e. the Living arrangement situation could have a detrimental impact on the development and in particular the pacing of the Shamy story-line.

Every interview I've read seems to indicate the writers have a great deal of trepidation and fear about resolving the living arrangement situation, which is understandable from their point of view. In my mind Shamy getting engaged wouldn't necessarily have to change that in the short-term but maybe the writers feel both plots in a way are linked heavily, it would certainly feel that way going off some of the interviews.

I guess we will find out in Season 10 and whether the engagement ring comes up again.

Sometimes I feel the urge to get on a plane, take that twenty hours long flight and say "look, here's the thing...It's just ACROSS THE HALL" 

Anyway as you said it doesn't have to change much in short-term, except of the residence of Leonard's toothbrush. And to be honest I don't even think it has to change much if Amy moved in. Isn't it exactly the thing that could expand the possible storylines? Not every storyline has to progress relationship by miles. Some can be just funny. And in the meantime Leonard can play all the games in 4B, gang can have dinners there, Amy can go to girls night, Penny can go willy-nilly and steal all the milk she wants. It could be the same, not every episode has to be about the fact Shamy/Lenny are living together, and the few that would, can be handle as exciting new opportunity. Sometimes it seems like writers still see the very essence of show in the "two guys-girl across the hall" and are afraid to lose it, while what I see is that it long ago evolved to "the show about interesting people interacting in hilarious circumstances," and the initial concept is a past anyway. Frankly this trepidation is a bit surprising for me since writers already took way bigger risks IMO.

[tallin]

31 minutes ago, kazzie said:

Echoing what I just posted in the Season 9 thread.. Its SO nice to have a low key finale.. no cliffhangers causing a less stressful hiatus last the last 2 years.. I'm totally calm and chill.. And knowing Shamy are in such a good place. They are comfortable and anyone would think they are happily married. 

I don't think Sheldon is taking a step back with his behavior.. I think he's just being Sheldon. The writers have to keep some of his charecter going which is where the comedy is with him. I'm kinda glad they slowed down with shamy in the second half of the season. The first half was so exhausting, while incredible, Still exhausting. When we got sex it was that build up we have been waiting for!. Then after it was kinda like.. now what?. Personally, (like I said a while back) It felt like the calm after the storm. I like that we have an opportunity to build up anticipation for the next big step.. It keeps it more exciting I think.

Engagement I honestly can't predict. I guess we will have to see how S10 starts and how many more season's we are going to get.

I am hoping to re-watch season 9 and write up a full season review, Or V-Log it when I get the opportunity.. Real life is very very busy right now (Back working full time, Moving to a new place, Muse concerts, Trips to Prague, Frankfurt and Paris lines  up).. But it will come during hiatus, I promise!

Next big BBT related event for me is San Diego ComicCon in July. Tapings wise, I doubt I can go back later in the year due to lack of cash (Moving into my own apartment), Time off from work and well, My ban  However I certainly plan on going back to a taping here and there during S10 (Via other means). However, I will not be attending on the scale I used to. But that's totally ok! 

- Kaz

Have  great travels and don't forget to have a beer in Prague 

[camelliayao]

I think what the writers are afraid of is not Lenny moving out, but Amy moving in. Because regardless of where Lenny live, they will still spend most of their time in 4A. They can still have dinner, play games and watch TV with Sheldon even if they move to 4B. But if Amy moves in, the writers will have to show us how Shamy deal with living together. Then the dynamic three of the show will be likely to become the dynamic four. Since Amy's a supporting character, the writers are reluctant to do that.

What Molaro said about the living arrangement makes me believe that they really don't have a plan. He was basically saying the reason Lenny are still living with Sheldon is not bacause they need more build up or for some other logical reasons, but simply because the writers have no idea how to deal with the mess they created (same as coitus and the engagement ring). 

Edited May 15, 2016 by camelliayao

[April]

2 hours ago, BigBangEnthusiast said:

It's possible he thinks Amy wants to wait until her next birthday because when Sheldon said, "I can't wait until your next birthday when we do it again," Amy answered with, "That works for me." Even though Amy's been sending him hints, he isn't picking up on them.

Yeah, I think this would be the easiest solution if they don't want to dive too deep into Sheldon's complicated mind and possibly even more complicated struggles with physical intimacy (if there even are any, that is).

After all it's a consistent character trait that he's terrible at reading people and he obviously doesn't get flirting as such. So far Amy has only been rather vague with her suggestions and not outright asked him about wanting to have sex again before her next birthday. And likewise Sheldon's replies have all been in the realm of him not understanding her weird comments and thus he hasn't explicitly turned down the idea of doing it again sooner than initially planned. So for now it could easily be that he's just sticking to their agreement and since from his PoV Amy seems to be fine with it why bring it up?

If the writers work with this premise they could solve it by either Sheldon or Amy recognising their pattern of miscommunication and finally asking the other about it. Amy already notices that sometimes they slip into old habits where their communication is concerned and she identifies it as a problem they need to work on. So with that in mind it would be perfect if during the next time this kind of situation comes up she realises what's going on and she's finally a bit more explicit with what she wants. Alternatively I would also like it if it's Sheldon who's starting to get worried about all of her nonsensical comments and finally asks what's up with that. A lot of the communication issues are framed as Sheldon not talking properly to Amy but I'd love it if they make a point that communication is a two-way street and often Amy is miscommunicating as well. It would be a nice way to tie this together with the question about their physical intimacy cause I think it would fit rather well and could be solved in a sweet and funny way.

Edited May 16, 2016 by April

[littleknee]

As far as coitus is concerned. I'd be really pleased if the writers decided to subvert the whole dynamic ... have Amy kind of fine with leaving things as once a year and Sheldon sorta consciously and sorta subconsciously realizing he has more desires than can be satisfied on an annual basis and have him awkwardly and weirdly pursuing Amy. The writers still love to mine the comedy that comes from putting Sheldon into situations he normally wouldn't be in and watching him deal with it. I think there would be a ton of comedy in watching Sheldon Cooper try and fail to flirt or be suggestive. Plus it would wrench us free of the tired Amy as pursuer/Sheldon as clueless dynamic we've gotten since the end of season 5. It would also be a great catalyst for them to finally have an honest conversation about their sexual wants/needs. I'd just rather have it be a result of Sheldon's awkward advances rather than Amy's. 

[rachelshamyfan]

12 hours ago, Riley7 said:

I don't know... it's like I'm the only one who thinks Shamy's in good place rn. I just loved the last three episodes. They were funny and most of it was Shamy-drama free. I just think we need to chill out and watch Earworm and Opening Night again... all is well in our fandom guys. 

Definitely not the only 1, they are in a stable happy relationship, much more so than at the start of the season

[rachelshamyfan]

No shamy chat for two whole days?