Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Jonny]

Like others have said how long the show has left will determine how much progression we will get on the Shamy front and at what pace. I have no idea of how the writing process works but I assume they have like a big board full of ideas and then they flesh them out with some being chosen some being discarded and others being kept for future consideration.

I actually think that a beyond Season 11 is a real possibility, I think it was Tensor who recently talked about a multi-year deal being possible and I would agree. If the show continues to be successful as it is then I don't see the money being the driving factor for a series end it will come down to an actor or actors wanting out, perhaps starting to get into films and being successful on that front. Of course the cast could be thinking differently privately but everything I've read suggests that they are happy to continue for a few more years yet.

Engagement to me seems to be the next logical progression in their relationship, maybe continued development of their physical relationship though that might be a far bigger deal with the fans than an actual priority for the writers. Living arrangements is going to get kicked into the long grass especially if they get a Season 11 or beyond.

I wouldn't rule out there being no major progress on the Shamy front this season. Season 9 was a heavy Shamy season so the writers may feel let's just slow them down and let them be happy with some slow progression. The Howardette baby could be the dominant storyline this season and how all the gang react to it in their own ways. But I am confident we will get something.

Edited May 20, 2016 by Jonny83

[mirs1]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

Much as it would be nice to see a little more physical affection, I don't worry about not seeing Shamy  handholding nor sitting with arms round each other, or even seeing them walking a yard apart. Perhaps there's a subtle visual message there that tptb are conveying ? They had them sitting very closely together in the A and E waiting area at the hospital with Sheldon not complaining or trying to shrug her off. Plenty of married  or long-term courting couples are not noticeably demonstrative  once they have got to the confidence-in-each-other stage and beyond.  It doesn't mean they are never lovey-dovey in private. Taking each other for granted up to a point isn't always a bad thing.  Amy was more relaxed and assured  when she told Beverly she'd talk to Sheldon about being interviewed than I can remember seeing her when mentioning him. 

Incidentally, I love how Beverly handles Amy - I think she's good for her.

Oh, I've noticed that the "casual touching" this season after they got back together was more relaxed and natural. They were very comfortable around each other and I like the way Amy was flirting with him or the very cozy atmosphere during the tag in the cabin episode. I think that was a very good acting choice because it showed an increased intimacy and emotional as well as physical closeness between the two of them. It would have been weird if, after they got physical, for Sheldon or for Amy were still a big issue to touch each other or to be closed to each other. I'm not very worried if we don't see them kissing or hand-holding on-screen, since we never saw a lot of it anyway. I don't even think we may assume they are not doing that off-screen, kissing, hugging and hand holding have been part of their relationship since a couple of seasons now. My problem actually is that it seems (and Molaro interviews up to now confirm it) that they haven't had sex after their first time on Amy's birthday and the fact they have not addressed this makes me uncomfortable. I don't want to see another episode like in 9.11, but a conversation on the subject clearing what they think about the situation, a scene about them having breakfast together where it's clear that Amy spent the night in 4A, something which shows that, whatever agreement they have with the subject, both of them are ok with it.

Edited May 20, 2016 by mirs1

[BigBangEnthusiast]

3 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Much as it would be nice to see a little more physical affection, I don't worry about not seeing Shamy  handholding nor sitting with arms round each other, or even seeing them walking a yard apart. Perhaps there's a subtle visual message there that tptb are conveying ? They had them sitting very closely together in the A and E waiting area at the hospital with Sheldon not complaining or trying to shrug her off. Plenty of married  or long-term courting couples are not noticeably demonstrative  once they have got to the confidence-in-each-other stage and beyond.  It doesn't mean they are never lovey-dovey in private. Taking each other for granted up to a point isn't always a bad thing.

Totally agree with this. We haven't seen much of just the two of them together, but that doesn't mean they aren't still having date nights off screen.

[joyceraye]

Another thing that worries me not about Shamy is whether they are still coitusing. (Sheldon used it as a verb so it must be all right to do so. ) We have no idea what, apart from a non-disclosure agreement, they discussed and decided between the conversation on the couch and the bedroom scene. Neither do we know for certain what it was exactly that they agreed to do on her next birthday. They were in bed for hours, apparently, and for all we know, from the brief scene we were shown, Sheldon's more-than-expected enjoyment could be referring to their having just eaten birthday cake in bed without plates or re-enacted Dungeons and Dragons.

I find the short time between the reconciliation and the coitus not unbelievable. Sheldon is known for giving presents that are about himself but I don't think his decision of a birthday activity of such magnitude would have been developed between Saturday and Tuesday. We know that six or seven months earlier he'd had marriage at least somewhere in his mind and judged by his jibes about reproductive capability and what he referred to in his Fun With Flags episode, he'd certainly been thinking about the physical side. Perhaps from his point of view it had been a matter of steeling himself for being willing to fulfil his obligations. No doubt part of his anger was directed at the discovery they were not after all going to be needed. Half a year later, when it's penetrated his brain that he is more in love than he'd let himself believe, he must see these things differently but it's not a new idea : it's a resurrection of an old one in a new context.

Five months on, Shamy are not married, they're not even officially engaged. It doesn't surprise me : Sheldon can barely cope with one change at a time. To make the  transition from a celibate life to one in which he can suggest vasectomies for all because he fears unplanned pregnancy just like other paired adults is a huge life adjustment for him. To make another leap into living with and for one other person till death will take him a long time.  Already even sharing an apartment has its complications for him. There was a time before Lenny were even engaged that he assumed they'd take him with them  when they eventually married and got their own home. Even now he's confused enough to call their forthcoming ceremony 'our wedding' and invites people off his own bat. It reflects Amy's attitude towards Bernadette's wedding but she did at least have an official position.

Shamy are not yet obliged by vows to take part in any sexual behaviour at all. It doesn't signify anything whether they do so or not, however much  we enjoy speculating.  Although their upbringing may be religious, meaning they've grown up in an environment where waiting for marriage is the norm, they don't care about religion themselves and Amy has grown out of caring what 'nice' girls don't do. She used to be forever making it clear she wanted to move in with Sheldon. They are characters in Sitcomland where it's customary for the third date to be aka Knickers-off Night. OTOH If they were married already and not sexually active then it would be time to worry.

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2016 by joyceraye
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[Judith]

13 hours ago, 2L344 said:

You see the part I have a problem with is not whether Amy was justified in asking for a break, or even initiating a break up. Lord knows she's had plenty of reason to do both. And you're right, the Fort episode alone would be underwhelming and not a huge deal. But when you add it up with the other stuff I mentioned it's part of a bigger picture in S8. Amy should have seen that things were looking up for her in the relationship, and things were progressing much quicker than in the past. At least that's how I saw it...

 So my big problem is not that Amy decided to take a break or end it, but rather it's with her never resolving whatever issues she had with Sheldon before attempting to resume the relationship. At the time I asked myself "Are we to expect Amy to "take a break" every 5 years, or did she decide that she was just "silly" when she broke up in the first place?"...And if in fact she was deciding that the old Sheldon, after a 6 month separation and her limited exposure to a few other men, was indeed what she's wanted all along, then we shouldn't see a disappointed or frustrated Amy ever again. And let's remember that her decision to reconcile came before sex and what not. I just never bought the break up arc as written and probably never will. BUT as a fan of the show, and Shamy shipper, I've accepted it and moved on. Still just happy they reconciled and we aren't dealing with some strange awkward Dave relationship arc nowadays...

I do find the lack of physicality "fishy" since the writers portrayed the reconciliation as a passionate one. If Sheldon is gifting his genitals to Amy in 9x11 I guess he also faked his way through a long passionate embrace/kiss just to seal the deal in 9x10. I'm just not buying that. In my opinion they went from being BF/gf to lovers in 9x11, and as such I would expect to see that in some form, ANY form at this point--handholding, a hug, hell a peck on the cheek! How about a "Amy you look lovely in that dress" just once....If the writers aren't willing to show any kind of affection between them, then the coitus episode is a throw away. And it was just too good of an episode to be that. While I don't expect Sheldon to be a gigolo as a result of 9x11, I also don't expect him to be a robot who got more action under the RA than he does now after having had sex with Amy....

But everyone is entitled to see it differently and we'll all just have to wait until the next season to see how it plays out. I'm excited and eager to have S10 start up and I'm optimistic that a lot of our questions will get resolved. I really really hope this is the case.

 The thing is, for every argument that someone makes about the break-up being illogical at the end of season 8, I have one of my own on the opposite side which I think is indicative of the fact that no matter how much we may try to pin-point who made what mistake at what point, the lines are blurry. It's not as simple as saying "the break-up should/should not have happened for this and this". It's human nature and sometimes things just happen.  Also, a lot of the things that we can just calmly point out about the Shamy relationship will surely be difficult or maybe even impossible to be seen or understood by the people who are actually living it. You can't see things clearly when you're too close. Then there are the expectations each one of us has. I could always tell they would break up at some point so to me it didn't come as a surprise. But I guess that we just have different perspectives.

I think that Amy just wanted a break from Sheldon to think because  she was exhausted, like she said in 8x24. Of course that doesn't mean that there wasn't a possibility of a future break-up but when she broke up with him and then fell into the dating scene, she eventually regretted it and decided that she wanted Sheldon back and that whatever it was that annoyed her they could deal with. She called herself silly because the break-up happened impulsively and everything after that was unfortunate consequences. Her wanting back in without even talking first was a faux pas but again, it goes hand in hand with her impulsivity. And it doesn't mean that she's never going to get frustrated again - just that she's willing to try and handle things better next time.

Just to be clear, I agree with you that they became lovers in 9x11. It was a gift, but it was also more complicated than that. Sheldon just wanted to make it special. Apart from that, we never saw them kiss/hug/etc a lot, so I don't think that they're not anymore just because we don't see it. I do also agree though that we SHOULD, since they had sex in this season. I think that the  sideways hug in Meemaw was put there because it was the first ep after 9x11 where they were together in the same room and the writers wanted to show that things have subtly changed. I also agree with @mirs1 and @joyceraye that there are more subtle clues during the season that indicate they're physically more comfortable with each other now.

And of course I agree that everyone has the right to their own opinion. 

[2L344]

51 minutes ago, Judith said:

 The thing is, for every argument that someone makes about the break-up being illogical at the end of season 8, I have one of my own on the opposite side which I think is indicative of the fact that no matter how much we may try to pin-point who made what mistake at what point, the lines are blurry. It's not as simple as saying "the break-up should/should not have happened for this and this". It's human nature and sometimes things just happen.  Also, a lot of the things that we can just calmly point out about the Shamy relationship will surely be difficult or maybe even impossible to be seen or understood by the people who are actually living it. You can't see things clearly when you're too close. Then there are the expectations each one of us has. I could always tell they would break up at some point so to me it didn't come as a surprise. But I guess that we just have different perspectives.

I think that Amy just wanted a break from Sheldon to think because  she was exhausted, like she said in 8x24. Of course that doesn't mean that there wasn't a possibility of a future break-up but when she broke up with him and then fell into the dating scene, she eventually regretted it and decided that she wanted Sheldon back and that whatever it was that annoyed her they could deal with. She called herself silly because the break-up happened impulsively and everything after that was unfortunate consequences. Her wanting back in without even talking first was a faux pas but again, it goes hand in hand with her impulsivity. And it doesn't mean that she's never going to get frustrated again - just that she's willing to try and handle things better next time.

Just to be clear, I agree with you that they became lovers in 9x11. It was a gift, but it was also more complicated than that. Sheldon just wanted to make it special. Apart from that, we never saw them kiss/hug/etc a lot, so I don't think that they're not anymore just because we don't see it. I do also agree though that we SHOULD, since they had sex in this season. I think that the  sideways hug in Meemaw was put there because it was the first ep after 9x11 where they were together in the same room and the writers wanted to show that things have subtly changed. I also agree with @mirs1 and @joyceraye that there are more subtle clues during the season that indicate they're physically more comfortable with each other now.

And of course I agree that everyone has the right to their own opinion. 

I think you and I agree a lot more than we disagree on this topic. The bottom line is we have our preferences, POVs, and opinions on how things unfolded for S9, and really we are all right when it comes to validating where we stand on topics like the break up, reconciliation, sex, and whether or not the physicality of the Shamy relationship should have been explored more or is fine as is.

What I like is that for the most part it appears we are all moving towards S10 optimistically and thats a good thing! I remember last season's hiatus, and the first few episodes of S9, had us all buzzing with squabbles and heated arguments here lol. I for one am glad we put the first third of S9 to bed. Despite what I have said about wishing for some resolutions to things in the latter part of S9, and my somewhat disappointment in the muddy way in which the writers have us speculating on matters like coitus and whether or not physical affection is a part of the relationship, Im a content shipper these days

 

[joyceraye]

When in episode 9.23 the girls are in 4b and Beverly is calming Amy down, the words they put the subtitles to are only Penny's and Bernadette's conversation. It's the main dialogue of course and contains the lines meant for laughs at that point, but it drowns out the other two's. I wish I could have heard or read what Beverly was telling Amy about Sheldon. I have played it a few times but can't pick up anything after 'woman'. Did anyone with younger and/or more American-tuned ears make out what they were saying ?

Edited May 22, 2016 by joyceraye
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[2L344]

23 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

When in episode 9.23 the girls are in 4b and Beverly is calming Amy down, the words they put the subtitles to are only Penny's and Bernadette's conversation. It's the main dialogue of course and contains the lines meant for laughs at that point, but it drowns out the other two's. I wish I could have heard or read what Beverly was telling Amy about Sheldon. I have played it a few times but can't pick up anything after 'woman'. Did anyone with younger and/or more American-tuned ears make out what they were saying ?

Beverly told Amy she was a remarkable woman for being patient with Sheldon. not sure how much of that scene you missed. Beverly kinda joked that maybe Sheldon couldnt get in a word edge wise when Amy was on a mild rant about communication. She defends Sheldon when Amy vented a little about the massage, saying even that massage could have been a big step for Sheldon

[Judith]

3 hours ago, joyceraye said:

When in episode 9.23 the girls are in 4b and Beverly is calming Amy down, the words they put the subtitles to are only Penny's and Bernadette's conversation. It's the main dialogue of course and contains the lines meant for laughs at that point, but it drowns out the other two's. I wish I could have heard or read what Beverly was telling Amy about Sheldon. I have played it a few times but can't pick up anything after 'woman'. Did anyone with younger and/or more American-tuned ears make out what they were saying ?

If you type "big bang transcripts" on google and choose the first result it will take you to a site where they have all the dialogues up to 9x21 (as of right now). It's all very nicely written, but it can take them a long time to upload the new eps. The second result is great if you don't want to wait - each new ep is uploaded within hours. The only downside is that they don't write the names at the beginning of each line so it can get very confusing.

I'd post the links but I don't know if it's allowed. They're the first two results on google. If you want I can pm you.

Edited May 22, 2016 by Judith

[serena_1995]

Amy has been already rejected 3 times by Sheldon about moving in. 1st time in Spoiler Alert Segmentation, 2nd time in the Table Polarization and 3rd time, indirectly  in season 7 finale. And in 9x14, Amy seemed happy with the idea of Sheldon giving her the ring but he told her to 'back off' or 'cool down' or whatever. So I don't see her suggesting living together or an engagement any time soon. Otherwise Amy would seem too needy or desperate or pushy. Once bitten twice shy kinda situation, you know.

Edited May 22, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[joyceraye]

7 hours ago, 2L344 said:

Beverly told Amy she was a remarkable woman for being patient with Sheldon. not sure how much of that scene you missed. Beverly kinda joked that maybe Sheldon couldnt get in a word edge wise when Amy was on a mild rant about communication. She defends Sheldon when Amy vented a little about the massage, saying even that massage could have been a big step for Sheldon

Thanks, 2L344. I did hear that : it's the part after 'extraordinary woman'  that Penny's and Bernadette's dialogue drowns out  - when they're saying Beverly will talk to Amy more than to Penny because  Beverly loves Sheldon, not Leonard, like a son - that I miss. I can hear Beverly use the word 'unorthodox' but not the rest of what she says.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Amy has been already rejected 3 times by Sheldon about moving in. 1st time in Spoiler Alert Segmentation, 2nd time in the Table Polarization and 3rd time, indirectly  in season 7 finale. And in 9x14, Amy seemed happy with the idea of Sheldon giving her the ring but he told her to 'back off' or 'cool down' or whatever. So I don't see her suggesting living together or an engagement any time soon. Otherwise Amy would seem too needy or desperate or pushy. Once bitten twice shy kinda situation, you know.

All times before they declared their love for each other, it's possible he may be more ready now (or slowly heading in that direction lol) than we think.

But I agree I don't think she will push for it if an opportunity comes up for her to move in and actually that's the sensible thing to do. I think we can all agree that Sheldon needs to be the one that suggests it and not Amy. Homeostasis is a problem for Sheldon he has to be ready which may mean that he has to live alone for a while if Lenny move out and before Amy moves in.

I think she has learnt not to push him, especially not on major issues but she is fiery lol and is not afraid to speak her mind so who knows.

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, Judith said:

If you type "big bang transcripts" on google and choose the first result it will take you to a site where they have all the dialogues up to 9x21 (as of right now). It's all very nicely written, but it can take them a long time to upload the new eps. The second result is great if you don't want to wait - each new ep is uploaded within hours. The only downside is that they don't write the names at the beginning of each line so it can get very confusing.

I'd post the links but I don't know if it's allowed. They're the first two results on google. If you want I can pm you.

Thanks, Judith. Good idea. I have googled several transcripts but none of them include Beverly's low-audible words, just Penny's and Bernadette's. Then they go straight to Amy's response. The transcripts seem to be 'cleaned up' copy and pastings from the subtitles, which is why they don't have the names of the speakers.

I'm sure the lines weren't just Beverly saying 'rhubarb, rhubarb' for the sake of background sound. She must have been working to a script.

Yes please PM me when you have time in case the site you refer to is different from any I have. I can't get American Google and the UK list is  different. Much appreciated.

[mjc45]

6 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Amy has been already rejected 3 times by Sheldon about moving in. 1st time in Spoiler Alert Segmentation, 2nd time in the Table Polarization and 3rd time, indirectly  in season 7 finale. And in 9x14, Amy seemed happy with the idea of Sheldon giving her the ring but he told her to 'back off' or 'cool down' or whatever. So I don't see her suggesting living together or an engagement any time soon. Otherwise Amy would seem too needy or desperate or pushy. Once bitten twice shy kinda situation, you know.

amy did reject sheldon offer to move in on 9x4.

you think it was they were on the break -up, she said no to him.

 

[Jonny]

Been looking at various Shamy gifs recently and its cool sometimes coming across ones that you missed (in the UK E4 does cut out parts of scenes, If you watch The Opening Night again on E4 before 8pm a few lines are cut such as Sheldon's genitals line lol) or ones that  have some significance later on.

Take these gifs for example:

 

When I first watched the episode when Sheldon and Amy met for the first time I hadn't noticed he did look at her twice as that wasn't shown when I first saw that episode. Interesting some time later Amy says to Raj she is used to being the girl that never gets looked at twice and clearly Sheldon did the first time they met! Pretty cool, almost like fate lol

Edited May 22, 2016 by Jonny83

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

 

Has anyone else noticed, her parting has changed sides.

[x~Jess~x]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Has anyone else noticed, her parting has changed sides.

Oh yeah... huh, I never noticed. Lol how random.

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, x~Jess~x said:

Oh yeah... huh, I never noticed. Lol how random.

Sometimes she doesn't have a parting.

[2L344]

12 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

Been looking at various Shamy gifs recently and its cool sometimes coming across ones that you missed (in the UK E4 does cut out parts of scenes, If you watch The Opening Night again on E4 before 8pm a few lines are cut such as Sheldon's genitals line lol) or ones that  have some significance later on.

Take these gifs for example:

 

When I first watched the episode when Sheldon and Amy met for the first time I hadn't noticed he did look at her twice as that wasn't shown when I first saw that episode. Interesting some time later Amy says to Raj she is used to being the girl that never gets looked at twice and clearly Sheldon did the first time they met! Pretty cool, almost like fate lol

and sort of sad too, as its one example of a few where she doesnt see the things that we the viewers do, and therefore her idea of how things were with Sheldon pre- breakup was different.

Edited May 23, 2016 by 2L344

[Judith]

A reminder to vote for Shamy here:

http://thebestpoll.com/the-best-tv-couples-of-all-time/

They're slowly going up, right now their no17 but they can do much better! And they're only one vote ahead of Meredith and Derek (*barf*).

Here' s another poll:

http://telltaletv.com/2016/05/vote-for-your-favorites-the-2016-tell-tale-tv-awards-final-round/

You can vote for TBBT, Jim, Mayim, Kaley and Shamy.

And because navigating the site from your phone is a pain in the ass, here are Jim, Mayim and Kaley:

http://telltaletv.com/2016/05/vote-for-your-favorites-the-2016-tell-tale-tv-awards-final-round/2/

And Shamy:

http://telltaletv.com/2016/05/vote-for-your-favorites-the-2016-tell-tale-tv-awards-final-round/3/

Edited May 23, 2016 by Judith

[Jedichic98]

Happy Sixth Anniversary Shamies!!! 

We should celebrate their accomplishments  

Worry about the flaws tomorrow! 

If they don't celebrate it in the beginning of season 10, we can come up with our own versions. 

[Jonny]

Happy Anniversary!

Edited May 24, 2016 by Jonny83

[April]

Happy anniversary!! <3

[Shamyfan95]

Happy anniversary my dear shamies! Have a lovely day! <3

[Riley7]

Alright.. firstly Happy Anniversary all you awesome nerds!

I don't know about you guys but I'm already missing the show.. soo.. let's make this interesting.

Answer these questions.. if you feel like it of course :

 

1. When, according to you, did Sheldon fall in love with Amy?

2. Amy's called Sheldon brilliant and a genius plenty of time. How many times has Sheldon complimented Amy on her intelligence?

3. Would you rather have the coitus or living arrangements settled in S10?