Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Stephen Hawking]

10 hours ago, April said:

It's only then that she lets her guard down more and really dives into this "new lifestyle" with a boyfriend and friends and all that.

From The Rothman Disintegration:-

Amy: No, no, before I met you, I was a mousy wallflower. But look at me now. I’m like some kind of downtown hipster party girl. With a posse, a boyfriend and a new lace bra that hooks in the front, of all things.

BTW: Since we're on the subject of love, when did YOU fall in love with Amy and/or Sheldon?

Edited May 25, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Jonny]

47 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

From The Rothman Disintegration:-

Amy: No, no, before I met you, I was a mousy wallflower. But look at me now. I’m like some kind of downtown hipster party girl. With a posse, a boyfriend and a new lace bra that hooks in the front, of all things.

BTW: Since we're on the subject of love, when did YOU fall in love with Amy and/or Sheldon?

With Amy the character? Loved her character pretty much from early Season 4, at the end of season 3 I thought maybe they might not bring her back or continue down that path but I was glad to see her appear in Season 4.

She's my favorite character on the show and her character growth has made me like her even more. I saw this brilliant but flawed character socially shaped by a strict upbringing and lack of social interaction but the signs were there early on especially in the episode when she goes to her first slumber party with Penny and Bernadette that we could see big change with the right experiences. It sounds very corny but it felt very much like a chrysalis to butterfly kind of transformation with her. And the Tiara scene probably is one of my top 2 or 3 Amy moments and up there with one of my favorites on the entire show.

Sheldon? Honestly I liked the early Sheldon as his awkwardness made me laugh a lot but then I found myself feeling incredibly sad for him probably around mid Season 2 early Season 3 so much so that I didn't enjoy his character as much. I like him much more now he has grown and been able to experience more normal social behaviors and interactions, and Amy is a huge part of that. I would argue that also the introduction of Amy has also improved his relationship and social interactions with others in the group as well. But he's not the finished article yet and may never be, but he still in my view has plenty of room to grow yet and hopefully will with Amy's help.

[Riley7]

BTW, loving the way my questions are keeping the thread going... you guys are awesome!

 

Alright... firstly.. I fell in love with Sheldon Ep 1 Season 1... when the show first aired I checked it out. Keep in mind I was 10 and terminally different from all other kids my age. I didn't fit it and seeing an awkward character like that on television was such a revelation. I wasn't used to it. When Leonard, Howard and Raj all pretty much fell in love with Penny, Sheldon remained stoic and aloof... it was refreshing to see a guy not tripping over the pretty blonde in skimpy clothing. I knew I was gonna like this show if Sheldon was gonna keep on being Sheldon...

Of course then Shamy happened.

And I just completely loved the idea of a "girl-Sheldon" I could see so many storylines emerge from that. When Amy became more apart of the group I was really happy. Amy is my favorite on the show because she's really funny and genuinely interesting. The only character I'd be friends with irl. To pin point the exact episode I fell in love with her... I'd say the one where she kinda gate-crashes the girls' night with Penny and Bernie. Like, that's still one of my favorites. And I for sure became a shipper at Zazzy... 'cos I just knew they were gonna be a couple... it was just a matter of time.

But I love my babies SOOOO much and I can't wait for season 10!

[serena_1995]

I loved Sheldon since the season 1 ep 1, when I used to be in high school ! There was something so alpha and magnetic about him-Early seasons Sheldon is equally great - without him you wouldn't have Amy or the current Sheldon nor would you have KICK-ASS Sheldon Lee Cooper quotes like: 

"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless bitch" (s1) or  "Smart ? I'd have to lose 60 IQ points to be classified as smart ! "

"Yes, it tells us that you participate in the mass cultural delusion that the Sun’s apparent position relative to arbitrarily defined constellations and the time of your birth somehow effects your personality. "(To Penny about her sun sign - s 1)  

"Forks are for eating, tridents are for ruling the Seven Seas" (s2)  

"That is my spot. In an ever-changing world it is a simple point of consistency. If my life were expressed as a function in a four-dimensional Cartesian coordinate system, that spot, at the moment I first sat on it, would be ( 0000 ). "

" 73 is a palindrome, 1001001, which backwards is 1001001, exactly the same. All Chuck Norris gets you backwards is Sirron Kcuhc!" 

"Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic. " (To Raj - s 2)

"A little misunderstanding? Galileo and the Pope had a little misunderstanding !" (s1)

"Focus is important. Did Alexander Fleming moonlight as a hairdresser? Thanks for discovering Penicillin, now how about we try a bouffant?" (s2) <-LOL

"Well well, if it isn't Will Wheaton. The Internet Explorer to my Firefox! "(s3) 

"Not knowing is part of the fun.Was that the motto of your community college? " (To Penny-s3)

And I loved Amy, early on due to her intelligence and dead-pan humor,  in 4 x03- where they played Counter Factuals , Sheldon asked Leonard -"In a world ruled by a giant intelligent beaver , what food is no longer consumed ? " - and Amy gives a short but brilliant explanation about why the answer is "Cheese Danish" .

Amy- "In a world ruled by a giant beaver, mankind builds many dams to please the beaver overlord. The low lying city of Copenhagen is flooded. Thousands die. Devastated, the Danes never invent their namesake pastry."  Leonard was speechless. To me, the best quality about Amy is still her intellect and her dry humor, more than her looks or popularity or fashion sense or social skills and she should be proud of it. 

Edited May 25, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[joyceraye]

In relation to the much-heralded coitus in Opening Night there's a lot of discussion about Sheldon's motives, what his intentions were, and whether or not it's right that anybody's genitals should be offered up as a  gift. It's also pointed out that we see too much of horny-hinting Amy and oblivious Sheldon for many fans' taste.

Something puzzles me.  What I'd like to know, not being male, is if  Sheldon was so oblivious to what Amy wanted, why did he think an evening in bed with his family jewels was going to be such a welcome present anyway ? Is it  a 'man thing' that they always  know, or was Sheldon simply less oblivious than he pretended all along ?

[vonmar]

I found TBBT later into its run.  I don't watch a lot of TV, but once I find a show I am fully in. I caught up quickly and fell in love with Sheldon, he was the most unusual character on the TV landscape at that time.  But I worried that if he never had any growth, he would become tiresome very quickly.  When they introduced Amy at the end of Season 3, I was very excited but afraid that it wouldn't go anywhere, so I was delighted with the Season 4 premier.

I can't put my finger on when they fell in love. I think it happened to them at different points in the relationship.  I'm just happy that they advanced Sheldon's growth and that Amy played a major part in that growth.  

[Judith]

11 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

From The Rothman Disintegration:-

Amy: No, no, before I met you, I was a mousy wallflower. But look at me now. I’m like some kind of downtown hipster party girl. With a posse, a boyfriend and a new lace bra that hooks in the front, of all things.

BTW: Since we're on the subject of love, when did YOU fall in love with Amy and/or Sheldon?

First of all, that quote is so adorable and at the same time, heart-breaking.

Second of all, I liked Amy in Lunar Excitation but I REALLY started liking her from the Robotic Manipulation and after. As for Sheldon, it's a bit hard to pin-point. I liked him since s1 and I found him really hilarious, he was my favourite character. Now for a particular episode, can't really tell. I remember the community college line to Penny and his speech about his spot. Oh, and of course screen!Sheldon was the best.

[serena_1995]

One of my fave Sheldon quotes are in Luner Excitation, when Zack calls their experiment "bitchin' " and Sheldon replies -"Yes. In 1917, when Albert Einstein established the theoretic foundation for the laser in his paper 'Zur Quantentheorie der Strahlung' , his fondest hope was that the resultant device be bitchin' ".   

And any scene with Sheldon and Leslie Winkle is  A+ for me, especially where he says "I'm polymerized tree sap and you are an inorganic adhesive " aka "I'm rubber to your glue" . 

 Also love this gem : Amy calls their fake coitus "Aloof but effective" , Sheldon says " This is gonna make me a chick magnet and I'm so busy as it is".  .

Edited May 26, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[Kathy2611]

3 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

 Also love this gem : Amy calls their fake coitus "Whimsically inventive" , Sheldon says " This is gonna make me a chick magnet and I'm so busy as it is".  . I started shipping Shamy in Herb Garden Germination.

No, she said aloof but effective in Herb Garden

Amy: Not important. I described your lovemaking as aloof, but effective.

Sheldon: I wish you hadn’t done that. That’s going to make me a chick magnet, and I’m so busy as it is.

 

You're  thinking 2 years later in the Cooper Kripke Inversion....

Sheldon: Because the truth made me look bad, whereas a ridiculous bald-faced lie makes me look good. Anyway, if Kripke asks, tell him my coitus with Amy is frequent, intense and whimsically inventive.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Kathy2611

[April]

13 hours ago, joyceraye said:

In relation to the much-heralded coitus in Opening Night there's a lot of discussion about Sheldon's motives, what his intentions were, and whether or not it's right that anybody's genitals should be offered up as a  gift. It's also pointed out that we see too much of horny-hinting Amy and oblivious Sheldon for many fans' taste.

Something puzzles me.  What I'd like to know, not being male, is if  Sheldon was so oblivious to what Amy wanted, why did he think an evening in bed with his family jewels was going to be such a welcome present anyway ? Is it  a 'man thing' that they always  know, or was Sheldon simply less oblivious than he pretended all along ?

From a storytelling perspective, in Opening Night it's a reasonable assumption for him because she's said in the past that "she's always hoping" for it to happen and he knows that she's just waiting for him to be ready. He's asking Penny and Bernie for advice and gets positive feedback in a way (they are not outright telling him what to do but his reasoning gets a "that's so beautiful!"), and he's asking Amy for proper consent (good boy! <3), and later in bed he's again making sure that she's okay when he sees that she's shaking. So it's not like he's super confident in that he magically knows what Amy wants cause he repeatedly asks her if what he's doing here is okay.

As to his current obliviousness, he's always had a hard time picking up on subtle clues and he doesn't get flirting, period. It's been a long running gag, even before Amy, that people would hit on him and he just doesn't get it. (And I'm using a gender neutral term here cause he even can chat up a random guy for a one-night-stand and he doesn't even know what he's doing. LOL) One night of lovemaking doesn't change that so it's very much in character. And personally, I think there's another layer of communication problem here. Before Opening Night he knew Amy wanted to be intimate with him. Then in the aftermath of their first time his first thoughts were that he liked it more than he thought he would and that he wants to do this again every year - and Amy agrees both times! So from his PoV they're on the same page and as long Amy doesn't say anything to the contrary he'll probably think that she's happily waiting for her next birthday.

[serena_1995]

3 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

No, she said aloof but effective in Herb Garden

Amy: Not important. I described your lovemaking as aloof, but effective.

Sheldon: I wish you hadn’t done that. That’s going to make me a chick magnet, and I’m so busy as it is.

 

You're  thinking 2 years later in the Cooper Kripke Inversion....

Sheldon: Because the truth made me look bad, whereas a ridiculous bald-faced lie makes me look good. Anyway, if Kripke asks, tell him my coitus with Amy is frequent, intense and whimsically inventive.

Oh yes, my bad. Edited my post. Aloof, but effective describes Sheldon in The Opening Night Excitation too.  Amy's few hours later- sex hair was the best thing.

Edited May 26, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[Judith]

I think that Amy fell in love or at least had some kind of infatuation with Sheldon pretty early on the show. From her early appearances she gave me the impression that while she was very similar to Sheldon in many ways, she was much more aware of what was going on between them than him. There was that time that she wiped his mouth with her thumb when he ate that cookie/jam/whatever that was...Then, in the Zazzy episode, when she appeared at 4a after Mary called her and in the episode where she asked Sheldon whether he was jealous of Zack I really thought that she had feelings for him but was keeping her cards hidden (I'm not sure if that's the correct phrase). Up to that point all she had known was rejection, disappointment and her hopes being crashed every time she thought something good would happen to her so this time, she was very careful so as not to get disappointed yet again. Also there must have been a huge amount of disbelief at first about finally finding someone she could connect with and a girl group she could belong to, which is connected to her being extra careful not to get hurt again.

[shamour]

On 25.5.2016 at 9:13 PM, Stephen Hawking said:

From The Rothman Disintegration:-

Amy: No, no, before I met you, I was a mousy wallflower. But look at me now. I’m like some kind of downtown hipster party girl. With a posse, a boyfriend and a new lace bra that hooks in the front, of all things.

Ahhhhh! Thanks so much for posting, I completely forgot about that! Now it finally makes sense that I've read so many fanfics where Amy's bra opens in the front, lol...

[Stephen Hawking]

20 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

And I loved Amy, early on due to her intelligence and dead-pan humor,  in 4 x03- where they played Counter Factuals , Sheldon asked Leonard -"In a world ruled by a giant intelligent beaver , what food is no longer consumed ? " - and Amy gives a short but brilliant explanation about why the answer is "Cheese Danish" .

Amy- "In a world ruled by a giant beaver, mankind builds many dams to please the beaver overlord. The low lying city of Copenhagen is flooded. Thousands die. Devastated, the Danes never invent their namesake pastry."  Leonard was speechless. To me, the best quality about Amy is still her intellect and her dry humor, more than her looks or popularity or fashion sense or social skills and she should be proud of it. 

Except, Cheese Danish wasn't invented in Denmark.

[serena_1995]

45 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Except, Cheese Danish wasn't invented in Denmark.

Yes, but it was invented/the name was given IN Denmark by bakers of foreign descent.Therefore the flooding of Danish cities would have prevented bakeries from letting foreign people to introduce them and the danish coming up with the name. Also,  Amy  might be making it up,but I admired her creativity and quick wit for coming up with the solution. Her answer is better compared to Leonard's -BLT where B stands for Beaver.LOL.

Edited May 26, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[Soopysue]

16 hours ago, April said:

From a storytelling perspective, in Opening Night it's a reasonable assumption for him because she's said in the past that "she's always hoping" for it to happen and he knows that she's just waiting for him to be ready. He's asking Penny and Bernie for advice and gets positive feedback in a way (they are not outright telling him what to do but his reasoning gets a "that's so beautiful!"), and he's asking Amy for proper consent (good boy! <3), and later in bed he's again making sure that she's okay when he sees that she's shaking. So it's not like he's super confident in that he magically knows what Amy wants cause he repeatedly asks her if what he's doing here is okay.

As to his current obliviousness, he's always had a hard time picking up on subtle clues and he doesn't get flirting, period. It's been a long running gag, even before Amy, that people would hit on him and he just doesn't get it. (And I'm using a gender neutral term here cause he even can chat up a random guy for a one-night-stand and he doesn't even know what he's doing. LOL) One night of lovemaking doesn't change that so it's very much in character. And personally, I think there's another layer of communication problem here. Before Opening Night he knew Amy wanted to be intimate with him. Then in the aftermath of their first time his first thoughts were that he liked it more than he thought he would and that he wants to do this again every year - and Amy agrees both times! So from his PoV they're on the same page and as long Amy doesn't say anything to the contrary he'll probably think that she's happily waiting for her next birthday.

This , so much this !!!

Also I think he's getting better at being flirty towards Amy ........but doesn't always get when Amy is flirting at him  . I love the side they have of Sheldon that's that delicious soft side reserved only for Amy, the " never have I ever" side , the " we'll find out together" side the , " you're my Heartworm " side .......but it's a side I like as just for Amy - not anyone else and not shown all the time  . 

With regard to when Sheldon fell for Amy , I think the writers had him smitten very early on, but didn't have him know it / recognise it. I think they hinted he recognised it after the valentines trip when he surprised himself by enjoying kissing Amy and I think with those feelings they had him realise she brought out a new side to him , it made him panic and contributed to the jumping on a train season 7 finale ...... He was scared and needed to process - amongst other things.......coming back settled and by prom tells her ......

Amy I think feel for Sheldon early too, but also maybe not accepting/realising at first, her sub conscious made her kiss him...... But I think she's more in tune with how she feels and not a scared as Sheldon, post drunk kiss or not long after it hits her ......

[shamour]

Ahh this topic again;-) Why doesn't anyone take him seriously? He literally said that he couldn't wait for her next birthday, so for me it's always been clear that they would do it again before her next birthday, and with all the hints (yes of course they are ambiguous) I believe they've been doing it unless it will be explicitly stated otherwise. Amy must have learnt by now to tell him directly what she wants, and those other flirty attempts we witnessed were just that, some flirting which he didn't get, but that's ok because she was just having fun.

[joyceraye]

50 minutes ago, shamour said:

Ahh this topic again;-) Why doesn't anyone take him seriously? He literally said that he couldn't wait for her next birthday, so for me it's always been clear that they would do it again before her next birthday, and with all the hints (yes of course they are ambiguous) I believe they've been doing it unless it will be explicitly stated otherwise. Amy must have learnt by now to tell him directly what she wants, and those other flirty attempts we witnessed were just that, some flirting which he didn't get, but that's ok because she was just having fun.

Very good point ! Sheldon does take things literally. Thank you for the reminder.

[April]

2 hours ago, Soopysue said:

This , so much this !!!

Also I think he's getting better at being flirty towards Amy ........but doesn't always get when Amy is flirting at him  . I love the side they have of Sheldon that's that delicious soft side reserved only for Amy, the " never have I ever" side , the " we'll find out together" side the , " you're my Heartworm " side .......but it's a side I like as just for Amy - not anyone else and not shown all the time  .

IKR? He was such a lovestruck puppy with her! I mean, yes, he's getting along better with everyone now it seems but with Amy I feel it's an extra level of comfort and familiarity and vulnerability and, of course, love. Yes, sometimes he messes up because nobody is perfect. But for the most part we've seen him with her he was a big old hippie. <3

Someone please make a gif compilation with all the moments when he's all ~heart eyes~ at her. I love his "Amy face"!

1 hour ago, shamour said:

Ahh this topic again;-) Why doesn't anyone take him seriously? He literally said that he couldn't wait for her next birthday, so for me it's always been clear that they would do it again before her next birthday, and with all the hints (yes of course they are ambiguous) I believe they've been doing it unless it will be explicitly stated otherwise. Amy must have learnt by now to tell him directly what she wants, and those other flirty attempts we witnessed were just that, some flirting which he didn't get, but that's ok because she was just having fun.

Not to be a party pooper here but what he literally said was: "I look forward to your next birthday when we do it again." While the time frame is ridiculous for humorous effect (Molaro really likes that joke more than it deserves lol) the positive thing I take away from this is that it underlines he really liked it and he isn't dreading it when it'll happen again, like some people outside of this thread sometimes claim. That the character was never one who'll be obsessed with sex like the other guys are and he most likely has his urges well under control, plus the fact that Amy agreed to this and from his oblivious point of view hasn't uttered any wishes to speed up their schedule, makes it all rather plausible to me that they haven't engaged in another round of lovemaking so far.

I don't think Amy has (yet) found a way to tell him what she wants but by now she understood that they still sometimes have communication issues and need to work on that. And I also hope that seeing Sheldon being so oblivious to Mary's and Alfred's flirting gave her a hint that his responses to her subtle flirting attempts were not him turning her down but rather that he simply didn't understand what she wanted.

However, I surly wouldn't complain if for some reason the writers decide "Bazinga! They did it in secret all along!" LOL So I'm really not telling you to not entertain that idea as long as you can. It'll be a long hiatus either way so why not have some fun in the meantime! ;D

Edited May 27, 2016 by April

[Kathy2611]

1 hour ago, April said:

IKR? He was such a lovestruck puppy with her! I mean, yes, he's getting along better with everyone now it seems but with Amy I feel it's an extra level of comfort and familiarity and vulnerability and, of course, love. Yes, sometimes he messes up because nobody is perfect. But for the most part we've seen him with her he was a big old hippie. <3

Someone please make a gif compilation with all the moments when he's all ~heart eyes~ at her. I love his "Amy face"!

Not to be a party pooper here but what he literally said was: "I look forward to your next birthday when we do it again." While the time frame is ridiculous for humorous effect (Molaro really likes that joke more than it deserves lol) the positive thing I take away from this is that it underlines he really liked it and he isn't dreading it when it'll happen again, like some people outside of this thread sometimes claim. That the character was never one who'll be obsessed with sex like the other guys are and he most likely has his urges well under control, plus the fact that Amy agreed to this and from his oblivious point of view hasn't uttered any wishes to speed up their schedule, makes it all rather plausible to me that they haven't engaged in another round of lovemaking so far.

I don't think Amy has (yet) found a way to tell him what she wants but by now she understood that they still sometimes have communication issues and need to work on that. And I also hope that seeing Sheldon being so oblivious to Mary's and Alfred's flirting gave her a hint that his responses to her subtle flirting attempts were not him turning her down but rather that he simply didn't understand what she wanted.

However, I surly wouldn't complain if for some reason the writers decide "Bazinga! They did it in secret all along!" LOL So I'm really not telling you to not entertain that idea as long as you can. It'll be a long hiatus either way so why not have some fun in the meantime! ;D

Well for once, I don't agree with you on something.  I'm with Shamour on this one.  The writers themselves have said sometimes we the audience have to read between the lines because they (the writers) won't always make it chrystal clear and this is one of those instances.  

I think they have given little tiny hints they sleep together.  The main one being the comment Amy made during The Positive Negative with the girls....

Bernadette: I’m sorry, but you know what it’s like when you’re with your man and one thing leads to another.

Amy: I do know what that’s like. I really do.

Now since the Opening Night was literally planned by Sheldon and Amy already knew what his plan was, that line makes no damn sense if she's talking about their first time.  

Second hint (for me) was Big Bear when Sheldon agreed to go.  Neither he nor Amy said or even cared what the sleeping arrangements might be, unlike every other time they went on an overnight together or with others.  The lack of any mention of sleeping arrangements spoke volumes.

And then there is their casual touching and comfort with it.  They're like that all of a sudden after sleeping together just once?  Sorry, I don't buy it.  

So for me, until or unless the writers make it chrystal clear that they have NOT slept together since opening night, I'm going to assume they have been.  

I do, however, agree with you that Molaro seems to like that stupid joke more than he should.

And IF they do decide to keep that line as actual canon, a lot of fans won't be happy with it and will end up being one of those lines the writers regret (like Fiasal).  It would come off as either too pathetic for Amy, who's wanted this with her boyfriend for so long, to have to wait once a year for sex or OOC for her to be ok with it and completely unrealistic.  IMO of course.

[Jonny]

I would agree that the line in the Positive Negative Reaction perhaps hints they may have slept together again but it could just simply be sloppy or perhaps not sloppy but deliberate writing. You have to keep in mind that the writers sometimes put ambiguous dialogue or scenes out there to create interest or discussion in the fan-base.

I have no doubt the same will probably happen with the engagement ring, it's out there and as each week passes we will be wondering is this the week it's going to happen, is it not then why not etc. It's their job to keep people talking about the show and glued to their tv's.

I actually really really hope it turns out they have been physical again off screen and it gets revealed that they have because then I would see it as just an indication they are comfortable and sex will have gone from this big event thing to something that a normal couple would do.

[April]

57 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

Well for once, I don't agree with you on something.  I'm with Shamour on this one.  The writers themselves have said sometimes we the audience have to read between the lines because they (the writers) won't always make it chrystal clear and this is one of those instances.  

I think they have given little tiny hints they sleep together.  The main one being the comment Amy made during The Positive Negative with the girls....

Oh you know, I was a big fan of the "Schödinger's coitus" fun we had going on here for the longest time and I could probably even list a few more examples and give explanations about how the writers could indeed pull off that "They did it all along, you just didn't know!" twist if they wanted to. And, as said, I really wouldn't mind if they did that, heck, I'd probably love it!

It's just lost a bit momentum for me ever since... after Big Bear, I guess?? And I think the theory that they haven't done it again seems equally plausible for all the reasons I listed. I don't think that there would be any negative emotions behind this like some other people seem to fear. Like, I really don't think the reason would be that Sheldon outright rejects Amy because he doesn't find her sexy enough or some such nonsense. It would just be a communication issue and that would make the most sense for me if they want to go down that route.

With that said though, either way I'm sure they're getting busy off screen in different ways. I'm fairly certain there are more than enough kisses/make-outs which also would account for the general physical comfort with all that casual touching.

[Judith]

IMO every mention of Shamy's sex life after 9x11 is ambiguous enough that it could go both ways, and of course the writers did this on purpose. Just the fact that there hasn't been even a kiss between them after Opening Night makes it blindingly obvious that they're stalling big time, for whatever reason.

But anyway, I agree that the line in Positive Negative could mean that they've done it again but at the same time I don't think that it's completely out of the realm of possibility that Amy was talking about their first time. Things could have very well started very controlled but then they got caught in the moment.

It would be preferable if it's revealed in s10 that they've been doing it all along though I'm not sure that the writers would be willing to give up the storyline potential of Sheldon repressing things/him or Amy misunderstanding each other/etc. But then again, like Kathy said, how can they be so comfortable with each other after only one time? (Actually that's not impossible either, now that I think about it. Yeah...:D).

Of course if they decide that Sheldon and Amy haven't done it again it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. It's all in how it's portrayed. I'm not sure though that a simple "You agreed to wait until next year" misunderstanding would cut it for me. It sounds too simplistic and, tbh, stupid. BTW, the "do it again on your next birthday" line can also go either way (due to Sheldon's too literal mind).

But you know, we can only wait until s10 starts taping to find out. I'm very satisfied with s9 and looking forward to new amazing things to happen between Sheldon and Amy in s10!

Edited May 27, 2016 by Judith

[Jonny]

3 minutes ago, April said:

Oh you know, I was a big fan of the "Schödinger's coitus" fun we had going on here for the longest time and I could probably even list a few more examples and give explanations about how the writers could indeed pull off that "They did it all along, you just didn't know!" twist if they wanted to. And, as said, I really wouldn't mind if they did that, heck, I'd probably love it!

It's just lost a bit momentum for me ever since... after Big Bear, I guess?? And I think the theory that they haven't done it again seems equally plausible for all the reasons I listed. I don't think that there would be any negative emotions behind this like some other people seem to fear. Like, I really don't think the reason would be that Sheldon outright rejects Amy because he doesn't find her sexy enough or some such nonsense. It would just be a communication issue and that would make the most sense for me if they want to go down that route.

With that said though, either way I'm sure they're getting busy off screen in different ways. I'm fairly certain there are more than enough kisses/make-outs which also would account for the general physical comfort with all that casual touching.

Yeah I would agree with that but it could just be that they thought Season 9 was pretty heavy Shamy with the breakup and the episodes after their reconciliation and the just wanted to dedicate a bit more time to other storylines. Which is fair enough as long as they don't continue this glacial pace early into Season 10 imo. 7 really talented actors along with some great guest actors that you have to try and find the time to fit them all in, not easy.

The second point i would agree I don't think that is the case, but there is enough ammunition there to make that argument with some of the vague and changing from one week to the next writing. Season 10 will hopefully resolve that.

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4 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

The second point i would agree I don't think that is the case, but there is enough ammunition there to make that argument with some of the vague and changing from one week to the next writing. Season 10 will hopefully resolve that.

Oh yeah, absolutely. However, I would argue that in terms of "ammunition" there is precedence of the writers dragging things out and keeping it vague - like, for example, kissing in S8 (I made a longer post about that in the general discussion thread). But I don't think there's any precedence that the writers made Sheldon completely go back on any of the big steps in their relationship that he initiated. Yes, he may occasionally roll his eyes, like at the hand-holding at first, or complain about some other aspect, like Amy kissing him in public, but on the long run he's always been shown to enjoy it and even be proud of the progress. Like, despite the inappropriate situation his little "hand-holding and hugging - even on hot days!" brag is still one of the most endearingly adorkable things for me. lol

And honestly, what is this "ammunition" anyway? Sheldon doesn't get flirting? Wow, big deal! Like that never happened before! And beyond that there's literally nothing. And again: Like that never happened before! lol

And while I really understand the frustration of not knowing and not getting even more fluff this season (/needy baby greedy baby) I have to say that all that "nothing" also has another positive spin: Sheldon hasn't complained about coitus either! Or made any other disparaging remark about it like the above examples with hand-holding and kissing. Thank goodness for that, let's count our blessings!