Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[nickelette424]

Read this article and it pretty much backs up what April, Amy Fowler, and Kathy( I agree with all of them) have been saying about how Amy feels. It's there, I(Steve) can't help it if some people can't see it.

I think you are misunderstand our point.  Steve has been saying something to this effect for a while.  We haven't argued whether or not this was the plot they were trying to sell here.  Our point is that we don't buy it.  A phrased used a lot back in April was that it felt "unearned".  At this point it is all revisionist history because they were not selling a story all season were Sheldon was making progress but Amy was building up frustrations and that they were slowly coming to ahead.  It make this work now, people have to go back and rethink what they thought and felt about S8 and use hindsight to try to make sense of it because they threw something in the finale for a cliffhanger and then decided to run with it to begin S9.

[shamour]

Hoo, and how he licked his lips before he told her, "Go, keep going..." :-)

[April]

So then I'll be off for the night (damn you, time zones! I'll catch up first thing in the morning.)

Happy premiere night for the rest of you who'll be watching!! <3

I know it'll be hard but... “Remember, be strong…even if it breaks your heart.” (Doctor Who)

(If nothing else helps rewatch the MaJim interview to soothe the pain!)

 

[RudyG]

I think you are misunderstand our point.  Steve has been saying something to this effect for a while.  We haven't argued whether or not this was the plot they were trying to sell here.  Our point is that we don't buy it.  A phrased used a lot back in April was that it felt "unearned".  At this point it is all revisionist history because they were not selling a story all season were Sheldon was making progress but Amy was building up frustrations and that they were slowly coming to ahead.  It make this work now, people have to go back and rethink what they thought and felt about S8 and use hindsight to try to make sense of it because they threw something in the finale for a cliffhanger and then decided to run with it to begin S9.

I think it's more that when you ship, you see the good and overlook the bad. I don't ship a couple. I just love the whole show. I see Amy happy that Shamy is making progress, but I also see a constant struggle. Almost every good piece of progress made on the Shamy front during S8 also included a lot of angst. A lot of it was minor, but it was for the most part always there. Mar's, I'm going to pack up and leave without you. To hear that all their friends said that he should mention it to Amy, but he still didn't do it. I'm not saying that Amy's perfect. I just think Sheldon's actions, could cause a person to pause and reflect if this is what I really want for my life. A day or two later she could have said yes I can accept it, but Sheldon didn't give her a chance to think it through. It seems he then did even more harm by acting crazy. Even then it looks like Amy is still defending and sticking up for Sheldon. So I think this break that turned into a breakup will be solved in due time, but I'm not sure how yet. I'm not sure the writers even know how yet. I can't wait to find out though. '

[koops]

Read this article and it pretty much backs up what April, Amy Fowler, and Kathy( I agree with all of them) have been saying about how Amy feels. It's there, I(Steve) can't help it if some people can't see it.

For the hundredth time. Nobody is saying that Amy does not have doubts accumulated over the years that might have made her snap in that moment, or that she's not justified in her feelings and emotions.  And the fact that this is what happened is not a secret, since it's been repeated ever since the finale taped by everyone, it's not news. What I and others are saying is that there was no buildup in the writing of the story in this particular season to make this development organic. Just because a writer says "I wanted to convey A", it does not mean they can't be criticized about how effectively they did convey A or how the executed it. What I am criticizing is the construction and buildup of the story, which, IMO, was non existent, not Amy's feelings or emotions as in whether she is right or wrong in feeling what she does in that particular moment.

As much as I hate this breakup plot that's going on right now, one thing is for sure: the plot of these five episodes has been constructed a lot more consistently than anything they've ever done before since the whole S4 through 5 plot with Shamy and Lenny getting (back) together. This is what I mean by buildup. I might disagree with their choices here and think that the breakup is unnecessary and cliche and contrived and all, but I can't deny that you see the dominos fall neatly on top of each other from the finale to ep 5 and every event that leads to the next makes sense for the next one up. This is the kind of buildup I saw lacking in the finale, in the D&D, and other occasions past.

As for the interview, Jim will be our captain until the end of days. I'm glad to hear them say that they want an explanation of the "whys" as much as I do though. The thing that concerns me, at the cost of sounding like a broken record, is that they need to be careful in how they handle this because if they truly write Amy as having changes so much and wanting so much more than Sheldon is able/willing to give her, this either becomes a "warning tale" about relationships that are not meant to be and they never get back together (which would be immensely depressing), or it becomes a depressing story about two people settling into a dysfunctional relationship where neither of them is completely satisfied. They need to do a better job of showing that they both want the same things and not just that they are compromising in order to stay with the other. It's one thing to say "Amy thinks that Sheldon can only go so far and that upsets her, but she's wrong". It's another to say "Amy knows Sheldon can only go so far and that upsets her". I liked what Jim sort of said about Sheldon having to learn to express himself better so that she will be reassured that he wants the same things. That is what I would like to see the bottom line be, rather than Sheldon having to change himself into doing and wanting something he does not so that she won't leave him.

[nickelette424]

I think it's more that when you ship, you see the good and overlook the bad. I don't ship a couple. I just love the whole show. I see Amy happy that Shamy is making progress, but I also see a constant struggle. Almost every good piece of progress made on the Shamy front during S8 also included a lot of angst. A lot of it was minor, but it was for the most part always there. Mar's, I'm going to pack up and leave without you. To hear that all their friends said that he should mention it to Amy, but he still didn't do it. I'm not saying that Amy's perfect. I just think Sheldon's actions, could cause a person to pause and reflect if this is what I really want for my life. A day or two later she could have said yes I can accept it, but Sheldon didn't give her a chance to think it through. It seems he then did even more harm by acting crazy. Even then it looks like Amy is still defending and sticking up for Sheldon. So I think this break that turned into a breakup will be solved in due time, but I'm not sure how yet. I'm not sure the writers even know how yet. I can't wait to find out though. '

A lot of the people that agree with or see things similarly to me really dislike how this couple was handled or the dynamic during S6 and had some issues with S7 as well.  This isn't a case of only seeing sunshine and rainbows.  This is a case of us seeing a departure from those seasons to a happy couple in S8.  We just didn't feel that the show did the work to show that this is where Amy is right now.  It has been said many times here that timing is a big issue here.  A year ago, I think would have been a perfect time for this plot.  I wouldn't have minded it at the end of S6 either.

[mphs95]

So then I'll be off for the night (damn you, time zones! I'll catch up first thing in the morning.)

Happy premiere night for the rest of you who'll be watching!! <3

I know it'll be hard but... “Remember, be strong…even if it breaks your heart.” (Doctor Who)

(If nothing else helps rewatch the MaJim interview to soothe the pain!)

 

I have decided not to watch it tonight. It's my 2nd Wedding Anniversary and I want it to remain untainted. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

[Amy Fowler]

Signing off now till I've watched the episode  enjoy the premiere Shamy shippers!! 

[loriparis80]

I'm on the east coast and I'm so excited, the premier begins in less than 5 minutes. Shamy aside, I'm so happy the show is back. Can't wait to read what people thought of the episode.

[Jennifer Byrum Fischman]

HERE WE GO!!!!!!!

[brilliantfool]

 I think the moment outside of Amy's apartment was really cute!!

And just so happy to finally be watching the show again!

And i think so far the episode looks much better that it looked in the TR...!!

Just hoping now the scene with Mary won't disappoint...

Edited September 22, 2015 by shamyyyy

[Giuseppe]

Omg CBS why... #TeamShamy

 

[Jennifer Byrum Fischman]

There is there is a ungodly amount of commercials

[vonmar]

 I think the moment outside of Amy's apartment was really cute!!

And just so happy to finally be watching the show again!

And i think so far the episode looks much better that it looked in the TR...!!

Just hoping now the scene with Mary won't disappoint...

It was a family ring...oh god!

[Shamyyes]

Played better than I thought all around. Still sad for Shamy

[brilliantfool]

It was a family ring...oh god!

was it unclear from the episode if Mary gave it to him out of the blue or if he asked for it..?
, or was it clear and i just didn't hear it ? (english is  not my native language and i had to listen to it kinda quiet )

[nickelette424]

It was a family ring, but not MeeMaw's.  We really didn't get much from the scene other than that and Mary telling Sheldon to hold on to the ring.

[brilliantfool]

i have mixed feelings about this episode...

It was a family ring, but not MeeMaw's.  We really didn't get much from the scene other than that and Mary telling Sheldon to hold on to the ring.

yea i got that ... Just wishing to know if he had intentions to propose (sometime)... I got the vibe that yes, he was (even if initially it was his mom who gave him the ring), but would be so good to know for sure...

[Shamyyes]

I know it just seems wrong. All of it. Shamy fighting. The vows were cute but Lenny deserved a better wedding   I just don't know. Seems like a different show. Maybe I need to digest it s bit. 

[brilliantfool]

I know it just seems wrong. All of it. Shamy fighting. The vows were cute but Lenny deserved a better wedding   I just don't know. Seems like a different show. Maybe I need to digest it s bit. 

yea im not even a Lenny but  i felt sad their wedding was short like this... Like so.short...

Also again while im Shamy it kinda felt bad that they both left at like the most important moment of their best friends' lives... 

Like, too much drama for a comedy, them having to break up exactly at that moment, a little soap-operish :s

[nickelette424]

i have mixed feelings about this episode...

yea i got that ... Just wishing to know if he had intentions to propose (sometime)... I got the vibe that yes, he was (even if initially it was his mom who gave him the ring), but would be so good to know for sure...

But we don't even know if Mary offered the ring to him or he asked for it.

[Luna18]

I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit. I know the situation is far from ideal but like I expected, things played out much better onscreen than on the TR. I found the Lenny wedding ceremony was adorable and the vows were perfect. As for Shamy, I could really see how confused and sad Amy was from Mayim's expressions. I found the way she and everybody else rebuffed Stuart really funny. As for the ring info, I admit to being just a tad disappointed that there wasn't as much info about it. It's good not scratch that wonderful to know that it came from Mary's meemaw and is a family heirloom but come on, would it have hurt to extend the phone call just a bit longer?  I wanna know more about the mother/son conversation!!!

[Boonaroma]

Bright side: The gang saw the sweet Lenny vows, which were the essence of the wedding anyway.

Not So Bright Side: Ugh.  Everything.  "Made you?!" Fuck you Sheldon.  And the way the ring thing was presented he might not have even asked his mom for the ring.  She might have given it to him to avoid giving it his brother.  Oy.  Awful.  Poor Kunal.  Nothing for him.

[Shamyyes]

It did leave the ring history a bit ambiguous. Did he ask for it or did she just send it to him in case. He did seem genuinely upset. 

 

Mayim was perfect  her expressions were everything. 

 

We we can only go onward and hope all will be well. I have said it before though I don't think there will be a quick kiss and makeup here. We know at least 4 more eps anyway. Booooo

[jenafan]

I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit. I know the situation is far from ideal but like I expected, things played out much better onscreen than on the TR. I found the Lenny wedding ceremony was adorable and the vows were perfect. As for Shamy, I could really see how confused and sad Amy was from Mayim's expressions. I found the way she and everybody else rebuffed Stuart really funny. As for the ring info, I admit to being just a tad disappointed that there wasn't as much info about it. It's good not scratch that wonderful to know that it came from Mary's meemaw and is a family heirloom but come on, would it have hurt to extend the phone call just a bit longer?  I wanna know more about the mother/son conversation!!!

I commend your positive attitude, Luna. 

Unfortunately, I'm not there with you on this one.     I thought Shamy were on a break, but right from the beginning of the episode, Sheldon and Amy both were referring to it as an end to their relationship.   That set the downward spiral for me immediately.   Then everyone except Bernie showed little concern for Sheldon standing outside or how much he was hurting.

I had hoped that the conversation with Mary would lift my spirits by her telling him not to give up, but first she tells him not to be hasty about returning the ring that the relationship might not be permanently over, and then she tells him to keep the ring because she doesn't want his brother to have it.  

Now, I will give her the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps the last statement was a form of reverse psychology to keep Sheldon from returning the ring because she knows he is overreacting.  

I know Shamy will be back together in the long run, but this hurts more than I thought it would.    Other than a couple of expressions of disapproval over some remarks made by Howard and Stuart, Amy really didn't seem to care about Sheldon's feelings at all.

Oh, and another thing.  I hated the show opened with Sheldon immediately swearing off all women, but then he was at Amy's door (11) hours later.   Seemed horribly out of order.

Anyway, I think I'm going to have to stay away from the forums for awhile until I calm down.  

Sorry to ruin your Shamy buzz.