Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[The Mushroom Log]

After having read Molaro's interview, I'm feeling really really bad.

The " break " is going to last a very long time, and after the " another guy possibility " statement , I constantly have nightmares of a break up initiated by Sheldon with Amy yelling " but we were on a break ", Rachel and Ross style...

I don't think it's necessarily going to last for a very long time. It might, sure, but it also might only take a couple of episodes. The "another guy" statement doesn't automatically mean there's actually going to be another guy, it might just be referencing a passing comment Amy might make in a conversation with Penny and/or Bernadette. Heck, it might not even be brought up in the show...Molaro might just be deliberately messing with us  

I wouldn't say I'm feeling "bad"...I think I'm feeling more nervous than anything. I think the key thing at this point (as someone else put in an earlier post somewhere) is to expect the best and prepare for the worst. I remember I got my hopes up way too much for the finale, and once I read the taping report, I was an absolute mess for the rest of the week 

 

[rachelshamyfan]

 

what the heck!? 

 

I never wrote that!

 

[rubyanjel]

i dont think they were saying shamy are like r and r. Just referencing their very famous break up, and hope it doesent go down that way. Ross and Rachel is one if the most famous sitcom couple ever. So you cant get away from.comparisons lol. Lenny i agree more in common, although more Ricky and Lucy.

Gawd, if I ever hear another Ross/Rachel reference for ANY couple (fictional or otherwise) ever I think I'm gonna be sick.

 

I kinda got excited with the table read and AGH TAPING NEXT WEEK SHOULD I BE SPOILED OR NOT OH GOD

[The Mushroom Log]

Gawd, if I ever hear another Ross/Rachel reference for ANY couple (fictional or otherwise) ever I think I'm gonna be sick.

 

I kinda got excited with the table read and AGH TAPING NEXT WEEK SHOULD I BE SPOILED OR NOT OH GOD

SPOILED!

[Kathy2611]

what the heck!? 

 

I never wrote that!

 

Sorry Rach...that was me.  My thumb hit the quote button on something you said and I still haven't figured out how to cancel quotes.  And I have no idea how I got it to make it look like you said it.  Ahhhh....the hassles of getting used to an upgraded website....

[Luna18]

How come this website changed anyway? It used to be much more efficient before...

[The Mushroom Log]

How come this website changed anyway? It used to be much more efficient before...

I've gotten so used to the change now that I've actually kinda sorta forgotten the old one! Hahahahaha

OFF TOPIC! 

Edited August 6, 2015 by The Mushroom Log

[rachelshamyfan]

Sorry Rach...that was me.  My thumb hit the quote button on something you said and I still haven't figured out how to cancel quotes.  And I have no idea how I got it to make it look like you said it.  Ahhhh....the hassles of getting used to an upgraded website....

ooh ok!

[AlFisher]

Oh yeah, baby! I have a feeling of relief! 9 season! In full swing! HOORAY! I even don't want to worry. We will see everything soon.  But somehow, I feel that Shamy will be fine))

[koops]

Oh, I hope you're right. But imo, how can they get engaged when they barely make out (or go to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4793309486st base, like you americans like to say but I really don't understand the meaning of each one of them).

Howard proposed Bernadette when their relationship was stable. Leonard proposed Penny after she quit Serial Apeist. How can you say yes for such thing when your relationship is stagnant, apperantly futureless and very slow? So it has to be fixed first and then this. It also depends on the rhythm their relationship will have this season. Maybe on episode 4, 5 things are already solved, or most of it.

Ok, I'm sorry, but what does physical intimacy have to do with being ready to marry or not? Now, unless you mean as in the sense of whether or not they want the same things in terms of physical intimacy, which I can agree is an issue that needs to be solved, I don't get it.  I am in no way an advocate of saving sex for marriage, nor religious, nor conservative, but there are plenty of people that save themselves for marriage and still manage to end up with totally satisfactory and long lasting relationships/marriages. Howard and Bernadette's relationship was stable? Bernadette was thinking of breaking up with Howard, as far as anyone knew, right up to the moment that he proposed and we never found out why she changed her mind. Leonard and Penny have had botched proposal after botched proposal and their last one was very unsatisfactory as far as I'm concerned (for reasons I'm not going to get into because this isn't the Lenny thread). Yet, despite the fact that Sheldon and Amy have often been shown to be the most communicative and stable couple of them all, until now, they're the ones everyone wonders if they're ready for marriage or not because they haven't had sex or their relationship doesn't look like a conventional one. 

See, I might get hypersensitive here, and I apologize if I am, and I do think Shamy have issues to solve, by all means, but I really don't understand why their relationship is somehow perceived as "stagnant, futurless and slow" compared to the others. And it's really the reason this finale pissed me off, because on the one hand the writers constantly hit me over the head with those wonderful, fantastically written milestones, season after season, that they gush about in interviews, patting themselves on the back about how Sheldon and Amy DO progress, in their own way, and how moving and interesting it is to watch. How they are not like other couples, and yet make it work in a way that works for them. How, ironically they are the most solid couple on the show (all actual quotes from writers). And then, every once in a while, they do a U-turn and hit us with episodes like the finale, where Amy suddenly stomps her feet and complains that their relationship is going nowhere and everyone is meant to buy that. I am sorry, but I don't. I do NOT buy that this is a stagnant, futureless and excessively slow relationship when in the span of one season alone we had them gloat about how their relationship is the best one of all, exchanged ILY's, exchanged moving Xmas presents that just shows how much they love each other, planned to get a joined pet "after a careful evaluation of their relationship", decided they would go to Mars together (and, I get it, Sheldon messed up there, and Amy was rightly pissed, but they fixed that) and had their first sleepover. They have only been officially dating for less than 4 years and Sheldon is apparently already planning to propose. THAT is stagnant?! I have known several couples in real life who have been together for a way longer than that, even a decade, before getting engaged!

By all means, writers, create your shocking season-ending cliffhangers and drama, if you wish, but I'm not going to ignore the countless instances over the years that have shown me that Sheldon and Amy *do* communicate and plan when it comes to their relationship, more so than other couples (the Mommy Observation being one example that pops in my mind now too, where Amy explains how their RA covers a wide array of possible scenarios), and that their relationship *does* progresses. I'm taking this finale for what it is, really, a plot device to create tension/drama/get people to tune in, or to bring the one and final issue to the forefront once and for all, but hardly a well developed or consistent one. 

Do Sheldon and Amy have problems to work through together? Certainly! Do they *always* communicate effectively to one another when it comes to their wishes and desires? Of course not. Do I think the question of whether Sheldon wants the same things Amy wants, particularly when it comes to intimacy, is a big elephant  in the room that needs to be solved? Absolutely. But they have been treating their own relationship, probably even thanks to their cold-hearted love for bureaucracy, almost like a marriage for a long time. Maybe I'm just naive, I don't know, but I personally often feel like, intimacy issues aside, Sheldon and Amy are far readier to marry than any of the other couples on the show were when they did. 

[Soopysue]

Ok, I'm sorry, but what does physical intimacy have to do with being ready to marry or not? Now, unless you mean as in the sense of whether or not they want the same things in terms of physical intimacy, which I can agree is an issue that needs to be solved, I don't get it.  I am in no way an advocate of saving sex for marriage, nor religious, nor conservative, but there are plenty of people that save themselves for marriage and still manage to end up with totally satisfactory and long lasting relationships/marriages. Howard and Bernadette's relationship was stable? Bernadette was thinking of breaking up with Howard, as far as anyone knew, right up to the moment that he proposed and we never found out why she changed her mind. Leonard and Penny have had botched proposal after botched proposal and their last one was very unsatisfactory as far as I'm concerned (for reasons I'm not going to get into because this isn't the Lenny thread). Yet, despite the fact that Sheldon and Amy have often been shown to be the most communicative and stable couple of them all, until now, they're the ones everyone wonders if they're ready for marriage or not because they haven't had sex or their relationship doesn't look like a conventional one. 

See, I might get hypersensitive here, and I apologize if I am, and I do think Shamy have issues to solve, by all means, but I really don't understand why their relationship is somehow perceived as "stagnant, futurless and slow" compared to the others. And it's really the reason this finale pissed me off, because on the one hand the writers constantly hit me over the head with those wonderful, fantastically written milestones, season after season, that they gush about in interviews, patting themselves on the back about how Sheldon and Amy DO progress, in their own way, and how moving and interesting it is to watch. How they are not like other couples, and yet make it work in a way that works for them. How, ironically they are the most solid couple on the show (all actual quotes from writers). And then, every once in a while, they do a U-turn and hit us with episodes like the finale, where Amy suddenly stomps her feet and complains that their relationship is going nowhere and everyone is meant to buy that. I am sorry, but I don't. I do NOT buy that this is a stagnant, futureless and excessively slow relationship when in the span of one season alone we had them gloat about how their relationship is the best one of all, exchanged ILY's, exchanged moving Xmas presents that just shows how much they love each other, planned to get a joined pet "after a careful evaluation of their relationship", decided they would go to Mars together (and, I get it, Sheldon messed up there, and Amy was rightly pissed, but they fixed that) and had their first sleepover. They have only been officially dating for less than 4 years and Sheldon is apparently already planning to propose. THAT is stagnant?! I have known several couples in real life who have been together for a way longer than that, even a decade, before getting engaged!

By all means, writers, create your shocking season-ending cliffhangers and drama, if you wish, but I'm not going to ignore the countless instances over the years that have shown me that Sheldon and Amy *do* communicate and plan when it comes to their relationship, more so than other couples (the Mommy Observation being one example that pops in my mind now too, where Amy explains how their RA covers a wide array of possible scenarios), and that their relationship *does* progresses. I'm taking this finale for what it is, really, a plot device to create tension/drama/get people to tune in, or to bring the one and final issue to the forefront once and for all, but hardly a well developed or consistent one. 

Do Sheldon and Amy have problems to work through together? Certainly! Do they *always* communicate effectively to one another when it comes to their wishes and desires? Of course not. Do I think the question of whether Sheldon wants the same things Amy wants, particularly when it comes to intimacy, is a big elephant  in the room that needs to be solved? Absolutely. But they have been treating their own relationship, probably even thanks to their cold-hearted love for bureaucracy, almost like a marriage for a long time. Maybe I'm just naive, I don't know, but I personally often feel like, intimacy issues aside, Sheldon and Amy are far readier to marry than any of the other couples on the show were when they did. 

Wow you put into words everything I've been thinking. I just couldn't word it well enough to say it !!

I've heard Jim and Mayim say lots of times how Sheldon and Amy's relationship is so refreshing and an inspiration to young people because it much more than "just sex" etc . I defiantly think it would be lovely to show the commiting to marriage before sex as it shows that their relationship is strong enough and they have such an amazing bond and normally communication too  . 

I think getting engaged would prove that Sheldon is totally committed to Amy - he  knows that marriage will bring sex with it - but shows he's 100% certain she's the one but still needs time for sex, while I think engagement would help him to feel more comfortable being more open and intimate with her ....with a slow sex build up , firstly could come much more affection in their own way  . I think that's also suit Amy as she'd have her man but without the sex just yet, as I know she talks big but I don't think she's ready for sex yet either ! 

I'm now going to stop waffling on....Koops said it all.......... And much better !! 

Oops also agree that Finale was a bolt from the blue in terms of "pause" for re evaluation .....progress was big season 8 for them, I'm still hoping was all for drama !!!! 

[koops]

Wow you put into words everything I've been thinking. I just couldn't word it well enough to say it !!

I've heard Jim and Mayim say lots of times how Sheldon and Amy's relationship is so refreshing and an inspiration to young people because it much more than "just sex" etc . I defiantly think it would be lovely to show the commiting to marriage before sex as it shows that their relationship is strong enough and they have such an amazing bond and normally communication too  . 

I think getting engaged would prove that Sheldon is totally committed to Amy - he  knows that marriage will bring sex with it - but shows he's 100% certain she's the one but still needs time for sex, while I think engagement would help him to feel more comfortable being more open and intimate with her ....with a slow sex build up , firstly could come much more affection in their own way  . I think that's also suit Amy as she'd have her man but without the sex just yet, as I know she talks big but I don't think she's ready for sex yet either ! 

I'm now going to stop waffling on....Koops said it all.......... And much better !! 

Oops also agree that Finale was a bolt from the blue in terms of "pause" for re evaluation .....progress was big season 8 for them, I'm still hoping was all for drama !!!! 

I would totally be fine with an engagement before sex, as long as it's clear as day that they both want to head in the same direction: that is what's important, I think, in terms of evaluating whether or not they are ready for marriage. Do they want to spend the rest of their lives together, can't imagine their lives without the other or with anyone else and see a common future with common priorities in life? Then that's all that matters. Who cares if they have gone past "first base" or not? 

I think the issue right now, maybe, from Amy's POV is that she doesn't know whether Sheldon does want the same things that she wants in terms of long-term goals. I think she voiced it really well in Colonization, and it's why I would take Colonization!Amy over TemperTantrumFinale!Amy any day: she was upset, for a very very very legitimate reason (i.e. Sheldon seemed to indicate he did not factor her in when it comes to planning a future), and was straight up honest and clear with him as to why she was upset. And Sheldon responded beautifully. A part of me wants to believe that the writers had her have a temper tantrum and use sarcasm on him in the finale precisely because that was the only way Sheldon would have not responded the way she was hoping: because he really didn't get the issue. Had he gotten what she was getting at, he would have gone "Oh, that! You silly dewey eyed mooncalf, I have something in my desk drawer that might answer your question" and there would have been no drama. Now, we as the audience know that he does, but she doesn't... and where do they go from here?

Sex is always going to be a slow burn for them, Sheldon has legitimate reasons for that, and I don't think his readiness (or lack of readiness) for that level of intimacy is in any way a reflection of where he is is at emotionally or how committed he is to her, other than the fact that for him to even contemplate it, he must have very very very strong feelings for her. I think the big question at this stage with him is: does he want it because he wants it or does he want it to make Amy happy? I think there's plenty of hints to the former, but there hasn't been a clear and definite answer to that question yet (and that's from Amy's stand point too, not just writing). And I got the feeling that that is precisely what the writers were setting up with that kiss scene in the finale, with Molaro specifically pointing out how he goes in for more and Mayim saying how the director wanted "movement". I think that by having Amy reject another kiss/take that step back, while Sheldon goes in for more/pulls out that ring out of his desk, they are setting up the field to answer the questions of "What does Sheldon really want?": remove Amy's "pressure" and show that Sheldon is willingly pushing the relationship along himself. The only concern I have right now is what they might turn Amy into in the process, especially if they decide to drag it out. Certain scenarios with Amy would be a total dealbreaker for me, both for my interest in her character and the relationship. 

[wowbagger]

Amen, koops! Fundamentally, I'd be interested in any scenario that shows that both Amy and Sheldon have some growing up and thinking to do. I think we can forget very easily (because Amy flung herself so wholeheartedly into relationshippy things, and because she is so patient and understanding with Sheldon so much of the time), that this relationship stuff is also very new to Amy. In many ways, she is even less socialised than is Sheldon. Sheldon at least has the benefit of a circle of (mostly) loving and understanding friends, who understand his professional goals and do a lot to accommodate his needs. Amy, as far as we can tell, didn't have any of these things before she met Sheldon.

And, you know what? It shows. Amy's terrific a lot of the time, but she is capable of callowness, selfishness and attempts at manipulation (the moving in issue, her pissiness with Will Wheaton, her attempts to manoeuvre Sheldon into demonstrations of romance on Valentine's day), and I would love it if she too were occasionally called on it. I love Sheldon's '8.3. Trust me, you're happy.' so much, precisely because it felt like Sheldon- not just pushing back with negativity, but making a positive stand for his view of their relationship. 'Really? Are flowers and romance and pretty speeches really what you want?'*

So I value that this is a couple striking its own path. I hope that Sheldon and Amy make a positive defence of their way of doing things, rather than going the way of convention even if it not what they want. I hope that Sheldon and Amy communicate effectively, but they're actually well equipped to do that. They're very good at using their many polysyllabic words, and I'm confident they'll work it out. 

As to whether Sheldon and Amy get married: they might. I am reminded of Germaine Greer's 'The Female Eunuch' when people earnestly say that you have to be in love to be married. (And, as it happens, Sheldon and Amy do love each other!). Yeah, they don't share a living space, but for the most part they share values and have an apparently detailed list of contingency plans including job changes and financial insolvency. Apart from the Mars Colonisation thing (oh, Sheldon), they seem to have worked out quite a few kinks. The sex thing? Eh, they'll get there.

*Let me be clear: I am NOT dissing traditional romance, or romantics. I am just saying that Sheldon- and Amy!- are not romantics in that way, and it's what I, personally, like about them.

[Soopysue]

Koops and Wowbagger you two have made my day  

Exactly my thoughts on the wonderful Sheldon and Amy......now come on writers , don't let us down here !!! And don't take too long to sort it all out ! 

[mirs1]

I never tought the main issues in Amy's need for a break had something to do with the lack of physical intimacy. It was the catalyst of the fight, but Amy got really angry not when Sheldon spoke about the Flash, but when the word "commitment" was used not related to her, but to a TV-show. The main problem is that she is wandering whether they have the same priority, if Sheldon is interested and involved in the growth of the relationship, if he consider her the most important part of his life. She had some difficult moments to overcome this season (when he returned from the train trip, colonization, the finale...) and in my opinion, given her lack of experience, she feels that time goes by and nothing changes. I can totally understand her and I can see why sometimes she forgets all the fears  Sheldon has overcome for her and thanks to her.  They have just to sit down and talk, and Sheldon has to convince her that she is his priority, they can totally do it and, TBO, I think the ring and the eventual proposal are not so important in this clarification. I know they may be the "proof" of Sheldon's commitment, but I also think he should be able to explain himself before the ring shows up. I'm not looking for classic romantic love declarations, but for some awkward, Sheldonian words which come from the heart.  

Edited August 6, 2015 by mirs1

[kerrycec03]

Mayim's pic trying to grok her character's motivation for this weeks episode...She is killing us here (and I do enjoy it).

 

Grok is an interesting term to use.  And can be take a few different ways...hmmmm...

 

 

[boys3allc]

I am so worried after that.... Something new.... What if she dates other people... I need answers! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[nusspot]

I seriously fear what's coming

[rachelshamyfan]

Ok I officially scared 

 

Also I don't think shamy will have any scenes together in the premiere

Edited August 6, 2015 by rachelshamyfan

[Soopysue]

Ok I officially scared 

Wait why ?? What does Grok mean ? 

[notchinc]

Grok means "to understand"

I think she's promoting some STEM event.  It doesn't have anything to do with the Shamy.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

grok

ɡräk/

verb

USinformal

 

1. understand (something) intuitively or by empathy.

   "because of all the commercials, children grok things immediately"

   • empathize or communicate sympathetically; establish a rapport.

[Soopysue]

Grok means "to understand"

I think she's promoting some STEM event.  It doesn't have anything to do with the Shamy.

Ok thank you

oh phew I was worried !! 

[Kathy2611]

Grok means "to understand"

I think she's promoting some STEM event.  It doesn't have anything to do with the Shamy.

BS!!  She says and I quote "Trying to grok my characters motivation for this episode...."

[rachelshamyfan]

Basically I think Amy is going to be in full blown sob mode for Tuesday night

And Sheldon will be in panic mode