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Tensor posted more details about last night's taping in the spoiler Discussion thread including the end of Amy and Dave's date:  

"Amy ended things because she was irritated that Dave spent the whole night asking questions about Sheldon.  It had nothing to do with being reminded of the things she loved about Sheldon."

 

Not what I wanted to read.

 

If he keeps talking about Sheldon, doesn't that mean she's being reminded about Sheldon???

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I can't wait until this story arc is done. Not a fan of them dating others, it just doesn't seem it fit the characters IMO. With characters with such high IQ, you'd think that they could work things out in a different way.

Amy does deserve to be treated better by Sheldon and I think that they could have done this without adding other love potential interests.

I need to go read some good Shamy fanfiction to help me keep positive.

Welcome to the forum and to our Shamyfest.

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Actually kerry it was new, due to the specificity.   There was some discussion that the reason Amy ended the date was because Dave talking about Sheldon was reminding her why she loved him. 

Unless the dude was talking about Sheldon's his thin beckoning lips, his koala face or his love of tea, I don't see how some big bird looking dude waxing enthusiastic about Sheldon's genius while not paying attention to her is going to do anything but remind her of all the times Sheldon would wax enthusiastic about his own genius while not paying attention to her.

 

If he keeps talking about Sheldon, doesn't that mean she's being reminded about Sheldon???

Or it might just remind her that having someone talk non-stop about Sheldon's genius for a whole date can be annoying when she's clearly not in the mood for it.

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So we are 1/3 into the season and things between Shamy are worse than season 8 finale. I firmly believe they won't bring them back together until 917, maybe even in this season finale, with the proposal and reconciliation happening in one episode.

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So we are 1/3 into the season and things between Shamy are worse than season 8 finale. I firmly believe they won't bring them back together until 917, maybe even in this season finale, with the proposal and reconciliation happening in one episode.

I hope not. 

But it wouldnt surprise me.

this ep sounds funny...but wish the break was done

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Tensor posted more details about last night's taping in the spoiler Discussion thread including the end of Amy and Dave's date:  

"Amy ended things because she was irritated that Dave spent the whole night asking questions about Sheldon.  It had nothing to do with being reminded of the things she loved about Sheldon."

 

Not what I wanted to read.

 

This is really just an answer to the fan speculation following the original report.  There was never really anything in the original information that indicated that Amy might get all nostalgic about Sheldon because her date is a Sheldon fan.

 That was just wishful thinking or supposition on the part of some people.

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A Deja Vu:

They used a "Britsh accent" guy and a " Beautiful blue- eyed" girl as a catalyst for first Penny´s I LOVE YOU to Leonard (season 6 episode 8

Same for SHAMY?

Well, Sheldon and Amy have already said I love you and didn't need any other people to influence them to do so.

 I think it's just a coincidence.  And neither of them have any real feelings for these people.

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Ok, somehow I knew my romance with the writers will be short-lived.

I must confess that when I got to know Amy's suitor will be played by a well known comedian I got just a little excited because of the possibilities, comedy and story-wise, now, knowing what all this was about, all I can say is: What a waste!

I agree with those who said it's sad that according to the writers Amy is only able to attract weirdos (and I'm not talking at all about physical appearence), while Sheldon, not really trying, would be able to score with model-type lovely intellectual girls (the whole package!).

I'm not a fan of the Shamy dating others idea, but I'm not adamantly against it either, provided that, of course, it served an specific and positive purpose in the plot, something that, in my opinion, was not achieved here.

Let me explain, I would have loved that Amy's date were successful and that this guy Dave were interesting and nice and he were genuinely wooed by her, why? because when Amy rejected him at the end, it would show that it was because doesn't matter how cool other guys with whom she could have a relationship are, the one she really wants is Sheldon. Now, when it results that Amy's potential new boyfriend was actually more enamoured of her ex, in what position is she now? depressed because she thinks she really is as undesirable as Sheldon told her?, even more determined to find someone else to prove otherwise? or banging her head against the wall because she let the 'wonderful' Sheldon Cooper free for all the other cute and intellectual girls (and also tall and pasty british guys) to take the chance?

In the other hand, Sheldon is even enjoying the privilege of discarding an apparently very good potential new girlfriend that literally showed up at his door, for a mere trifle, no biggie because I guess he just have to snap his fingers (or ask his minions Raj and Howard for assistance) and another similar girl would appear, there are so many Amys running around the world! (and with a better sense of fashion, I hope). Yeah, I suppose that the main reason he discarded her is that she was not interesting to him (as Amy used to be), but, please, really, would it be THAT difficult to make it clear that he dismissed that girl "because she is not Amy"?

So, no love for Amy in any front. Seriously, why? why is Amy always the one that gets the short end of the stick?

Now please, don't tell me their dates will be useful to prove they are right for each other, they had no real purpose!, as I said before, Amy was not only rejected (again), I would bet she is even more confused now than ever, what could have proved that horrible date for her with reference to her relationship/love for Sheldon? She doesn't need other guy to come and tell her how awesome her ex is, she already is aware of that, even when she is angry with him and they are broken up (remember her words when she defended him from Bernardette). Now, for Sheldon, we still have to watch the actual episode, I know, but by the TR I'm not getting the idea he was comparing this girl with Amy in any moment, so, for him it was just a failed intent, not the definitive proof that Amy and only Amy is the right one for him.

So, I guess we have two possible outcomes:

1) They will keep dragging this scenario as long as possible with more and more ridiculous excuses/situations that will serve no real purpose for their development as characters or as a couple.

2) They will reunite them in the simplest and most unsatisfactory way possible without any real issue addressed and/or solved.

(I have the feeling they will work on outcome '1' for a while and when they get bored/decide it was enough, they will procede with outcome '2')

Of course there could also be a third option, in which they actually take advantage of the broken up storyline and use it to make them a stronger and more balanced couple when they are finally back together again, but I'm afraid I can't really count on that.

Oh!, and as a side note, in this episode we can see Sheldon actively looking for a date, and a new girl to replace Amy and, unlike with Amy's identical situation, the sky didn't fall in pieces, he was not acussed of destroying the 'magic of Shamy', there were no passionate diatribes against him nor "seriously dissapointed" shippers.

Just as I thought.

That's because Amy's desire to be valued and desired in a more conventional way is viewed by disappointed shippers as a betrayal of the ship for which she must be punished.

I actually think what Sheldon did is worse, but I view him as the main problem in the reconciliation, not Amy.

I think 1 and 2 can both happen. The third option is highly unlikely.

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Ok, somehow I knew my romance with the writers will be short-lived.

I must confess that when I got to know Amy's suitor will be played by a well known comedian I got just a little excited because of the possibilities, comedy and story-wise, now, knowing what all this was about, all I can say is: What a waste!

I agree with those who said it's sad that according to the writers Amy is only able to attract weirdos (and I'm not talking at all about physical appearence), while Sheldon, not really trying, would be able to score with model-type lovely intellectual girls (the whole package!).

I'm not a fan of the Shamy dating others idea, but I'm not adamantly against it either, provided that, of course, it served an specific and positive purpose in the plot, something that, in my opinion, was not achieved here.

Let me explain, I would have loved that Amy's date were successful and that this guy Dave were interesting and nice and he were genuinely wooed by her, why? because when Amy rejected him at the end, it would show that it was because doesn't matter how cool other guys with whom she could have a relationship are, the one she really wants is Sheldon. Now, when it results that Amy's potential new boyfriend was actually more enamoured of her ex, in what position is she now? depressed because she thinks she really is as undesirable as Sheldon told her?, even more determined to find someone else to prove otherwise? or banging her head against the wall because she let the 'wonderful' Sheldon Cooper free for all the other cute and intellectual girls (and also tall and pasty british guys) to take the chance?

In the other hand, Sheldon is even enjoying the privilege of discarding an apparently very good potential new girlfriend that literally showed up at his door, for a mere trifle, no biggie because I guess he just have to snap his fingers (or ask his minions Raj and Howard for assistance) and another similar girl would appear, there are so many Amys running around the world! (and with a better sense of fashion, I hope). Yeah, I suppose that the main reason he discarded her is that she was not interesting to him (as Amy used to be), but, please, really, would it be THAT difficult to make it clear that he dismissed that girl "because she is not Amy"?

So, no love for Amy in any front. Seriously, why? why is Amy always the one that gets the short end of the stick?

Now please, don't tell me their dates will be useful to prove they are right for each other, they had no real purpose!, as I said before, Amy was not only rejected (again), I would bet she is even more confused now than ever, what could have proved that horrible date for her with reference to her relationship/love for Sheldon? She doesn't need other guy to come and tell her how awesome her ex is, she already is aware of that, even when she is angry with him and they are broken up (remember her words when she defended him from Bernardette). Now, for Sheldon, we still have to watch the actual episode, I know, but by the TR I'm not getting the idea he was comparing this girl with Amy in any moment, so, for him it was just a failed intent, not the definitive proof that Amy and only Amy is the right one for him.

So, I guess we have two possible outcomes:

1) They will keep dragging this scenario as long as possible with more and more ridiculous excuses/situations that will serve no real purpose for their development as characters or as a couple.

2) They will reunite them in the simplest and most unsatisfactory way possible without any real issue addressed and/or solved.

(I have the feeling they will work on outcome '1' for a while and when they get bored/decide it was enough, they will procede with outcome '2')

Of course there could also be a third option, in which they actually take advantage of the broken up storyline and use it to make them a stronger and more balanced couple when they are finally back together again, but I'm afraid I can't really count on that.

Oh!, and as a side note, in this episode we can see Sheldon actively looking for a date, and a new girl to replace Amy and, unlike with Amy's identical situation, the sky didn't fall in pieces, he was not acussed of destroying the 'magic of Shamy', there were no passionate diatribes against him nor "seriously dissappointed" shippers.

Just as I thought.

I actually, based on the wee bit of information we do have thus far, agree with your comments here.  I don't think that this served at all to prove that they are only meant for each other in the slightest.   To me it seems Amy was bored out of her mind having to talk about the man she broke up with and while she still respects Sheldon and all, and she still may have many unresolved feelings for him, it had to be annoying as heck to be ignored yet again.   And as I brought up last night, it annoys me that Sheldon gets a knock-out intelligent woman as his date but they give her a nerdy, far from a knock-out looking man.   But more important that he totally ignored her and seemed more interested in Sheldon (man-crushing on him).    

Just as the writers refuse to show us Amy's POV and help us understand what she is so confused about or what she is trying to settle in her mind and heart, which annoying enough, they have to go an write this insulting story.   It is insulting to me that she is yet again treated as inconsequential and it is all about Sheldon.

I also agree on your outcome assessments.  Everyone keeps saying their reunion will be epic, but I don't think it will be epic in a positive way at all.  It is going to be an epic fail as far as this whole entire storyline.   I don't think we will ever know why this whole story happened and what Amy wanted out of it.  We won't see that much of a change in Sheldon (if any, because thus far he may have shown growth in giving her what she asked and not pushing her, but beyond that, he still has not grown to appreciate her that much IMO).   I agree that if they had added a line last night that basically said to the woman (or even the guys after), "she wasn't Amy"...then it would show that he realizes Amy is it for him.   But there was none of that.   I think the outcome of all of this is going to be terribly dissatisfying and it also will have been a complete waste of a number of episodes where some really good movement could have occurred.   

But thank you for understanding in this case how annoying the date storyline felt to me.  I am certain, and positive it will be humorous and create lots of laughs...but it sickens me again, qualifying that the information is brief on this episode and it has not been aired so just on initial impressions, that:

1) Lenny know about Sheldon wanting to propose and yet instead of trying to encourage Amy to talk to Sheldon (maybe without even revealing the information about the ring and desire to propose), they instead spy on her date and video tape it.  Why?  What was their intent?  It just seems creepy and childish to me.

2) Amy was again ignored and treated as if she was just a source of information for Dave to learn more about his man-crush.   She was totally forgotten in the story.

3) Amy can only seem to attract less than "broken", weird and average in attractiveness men, while Sheldon can seemingly attract intelligent hot women.   

4) Amy still has no idea that her friends are spying on her and not giving her valuable information that could change the entire dynamic here.

5) Is it really Sheldon that is being broken here or Amy?  It almost seems like they are breaking her more than him.  I mean I know he was broken, but now it seems he is moving on and fixing himself back up.   He is accepting her decision to break up with him and trying to find a way to fill the void he feels, but he isn't just giving up and regressing any longer.   Instead he is acting more mature.  He may not know how to win Amy back and right now he has been given no encourage from her that she wants to be won back, so he is doing what he can to move forward.   So, he seems to not remain broken.   I don't know...I just get the feeling that the writers are looking for "how can we get more laughs out of this breakup" than looking at "how can this breakup enrich these characters and grow them."   

6) I agree with Kerry that the dynamic between Shamy will be different.  I am not sure though it will be a balanced or improved dynamic.   Thus far it seems that it is still very unbalanced and still very broken.   

At this point, I just feel all the magic that were Shamy has been killed and totally destroyed.   It is making it more and more difficult with each episode they tape for me to know what I want anymore.  Do I want them back together or to just end this story and the show entirely because I am finding it harder and harder to be lured to watch. 

P.S.  I don't think Sheldon has been a "bad boyfriend" as someone stated above.   He has really transitioned quite a bit and moved to try and please Amy.   He is never going to be what society expects as the "perfect boyfriend" and isn't about "hearts and flowers".  I personally wouldn't be watching the show if his character was like that.  His quirks are what make us all tune in each week.   Just as Amy is far from the perfect girlfriend either, but both of them together work and what the writers have done here has really made a mess of a couple that was working quite well and communicating well before and for the most-part happy based on what they were saying and how they were acting (especially in s8).  So that is why this whole breakup story to me still makes zero sense.   I really do think many fans are going to be quite unhappy with the result when it is all said and done because I think it won't be as spectacular of a reunion as many are hoping for.   I hope I am very wrong.

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1) ...they instead spy on her date and video tape it.  Why?  What was their intent?  It just seems creepy and childish to me.

The additional information I put up in the discussion thread specified that the reason.  Bernadette, while in disguise, taped it so she could show Penny, who stayed in the car with Leonard,  what was happening during the date.

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The additional information I put up in the discussion thread specified that the reason.  Bernadette, while in disguise, taped it so she could show Penny, who stayed in the car with Leonard,  what was happening during the date.

And why Lenny need that information? Why are they in the car, and send Bernie to tape the date? Spying and taping your friend´s date??? Are they in Junior High???

Bernie knows Sheldon loves Amy( 8 x 11) and all of them know Amy loves Sheldon!!  Frankly, I don´t understand the "friends " behavior in season 9!

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And why Lenny need that information? Why are they in the car, and send Bernie to tape the date? Spying and taping your friend´s date??? Are they in Junior High???

Bernie knows Sheldon loves Amy( 8 x 11) and all of them know Amy loves Sheldon!!  Frankly, I don´t understand the "friends " behavior in season 9!

That I can't answer.  I was just answering the question as to why Bernadette was taping the date.  It is mentioned that BOTH Penny and Bernadette decided to go.  Lenny had nothing to do with it, Bernadette and Penny did.  

As to whether they are in Junior High, I'm not saying their behavior is proper.  But, how was Amy's behavior any less juvenile in The Junior Professor Solution when she was trying to play Penny off of Bernadette, while talking trash about them behind their backs?  They all act that way at times. 

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I actually, based on the wee bit of information we do have thus far, agree with your comments here.  I don't think that this served at all to prove that they are only meant for each other in the slightest.   To me it seems Amy was bored out of her mind having to talk about the man she broke up with and while she still respects Sheldon and all, and she still may have many unresolved feelings for him, it had to be annoying as heck to be ignored yet again.   And as I brought up last night, it annoys me that Sheldon gets a knock-out intelligent woman as his date but they give her a nerdy, far from a knock-out looking man.   But more important that he totally ignored her and seemed more interested in Sheldon (man-crushing on him).    

Just as the writers refuse to show us Amy's POV and help us understand what she is so confused about or what she is trying to settle in her mind and heart, which annoying enough, they have to go an write this insulting story.   It is insulting to me that she is yet again treated as inconsequential and it is all about Sheldon.

I also agree on your outcome assessments.  Everyone keeps saying their reunion will be epic, but I don't think it will be epic in a positive way at all.  It is going to be an epic fail as far as this whole entire storyline.   I don't think we will ever know why this whole story happened and what Amy wanted out of it.  We won't see that much of a change in Sheldon (if any, because thus far he may have shown growth in giving her what she asked and not pushing her, but beyond that, he still has not grown to appreciate her that much IMO).   I agree that if they had added a line last night that basically said to the woman (or even the guys after), "she wasn't Amy"...then it would show that he realizes Amy is it for him.   But there was none of that.   I think the outcome of all of this is going to be terribly dissatisfying and it also will have been a complete waste of a number of episodes where some really good movement could have occurred.   

But thank you for understanding in this case how annoying the date storyline felt to me.  I am certain, and positive it will be humorous and create lots of laughs...but it sickens me again, qualifying that the information is brief on this episode and it has not been aired so just on initial impressions, that:

1) Lenny know about Sheldon wanting to propose and yet instead of trying to encourage Amy to talk to Sheldon (maybe without even revealing the information about the ring and desire to propose), they instead spy on her date and video tape it.  Why?  What was their intent?  It just seems creepy and childish to me.

2) Amy was again ignored and treated as if she was just a source of information for Dave to learn more about his man-crush.   She was totally forgotten in the story.

3) Amy can only seem to attract less than "broken", weird and average in attractiveness men, while Sheldon can seemingly attract intelligent hot women.   

4) Amy still has no idea that her friends are spying on her and not giving her valuable information that could change the entire dynamic here.

5) Is it really Sheldon that is being broken here or Amy?  It almost seems like they are breaking her more than him.  I mean I know he was broken, but now it seems he is moving on and fixing himself back up.   He is accepting her decision to break up with him and trying to find a way to fill the void he feels, but he isn't just giving up and regressing any longer.   Instead he is acting more mature.  He may not know how to win Amy back and right now he has been given no encourage from her that she wants to be won back, so he is doing what he can to move forward.   So, he seems to not remain broken.   I don't know...I just get the feeling that the writers are looking for "how can we get more laughs out of this breakup" than looking at "how can this breakup enrich these characters and grow them."   

6) I agree with Kerry that the dynamic between Shamy will be different.  I am not sure though it will be a balanced or improved dynamic.   Thus far it seems that it is still very unbalanced and still very broken.   

At this point, I just feel all the magic that were Shamy has been killed and totally destroyed.   It is making it more and more difficult with each episode they tape for me to know what I want anymore.  Do I want them back together or to just end this story and the show entirely because I am finding it harder and harder to be lured to watch. 

The way these writers treat Amy is not fair.

And yes I agree with you. I don't think they'll ever mention something like "Sheldon only wants Amy and Amy only wants Sheldon". The writers just don't care whether they are meant to be or not.

 
 

And why Lenny need that information? Why are they in the car, and send Bernie to tape the date? Spying and taping your friend´s date??? Are they in Junior High???

Bernie knows Sheldon loves Amy( 8 x 11) and all of them know Amy loves Sheldon!!  Frankly, I don´t understand the "friends " behavior in season 9!

Because the writers need to drag the Shamy breakup as long as possible for whatever reason. And they don't know what to do with the other characters.

 
 
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That I can't answer.  I was just answering the question as to why Bernadette was taping the date.  It is mentioned that BOTH Penny and Bernadette decided to go.  Lenny had nothing to do with it, Bernadette and Penny did.  

As to whether they are in Junior High, I'm not saying their behavior is proper.  But, how was Amy's behavior any less juvenile in The Junior Professor Solution when she was trying to play Penny off of Bernadette, while talking trash about them behind their backs?  They all act that way at times. 

The difference is Amy has always been weaker in social skills and is emotionally and socially equivalent to a junior high girl....Penny and Bernadette have been quite adept socially so this really is totally out of character and makes them look very juvenile.

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That I can't answer.  I was just answering the question as to why Bernadette was taping the date.  It is mentioned that BOTH Penny and Bernadette decided to go.  Lenny had nothing to do with it, Bernadette and Penny did.  

As to whether they are in Junior High, I'm not saying their behavior is proper.  But, how was Amy's behavior any less juvenile in The Junior Professor Solution when she was trying to play Penny off of Bernadette, while talking trash about them behind their backs?  They all act that way at times. 

Agree Tensor. But ALL of them are acting like teens during the whole 9 season!

I know TBBT is a sitcom, but this year I feel I am watching a soap opera and/or a juvenile Disney film!

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The difference is Amy has always been weaker in social skills and is emotionally and socially equivalent to a junior high girl....Penny and Bernadette have been quite adept socially so this really is totally out of character and makes them look very juvenile.

Sorry, not buying it in season 8.  But I'll leave it or I'll have to move things to Shipping Lanes. 

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The additional information I put up in the discussion thread specified that the reason.  Bernadette, while in disguise, taped it so she could show Penny, who stayed in the car with Leonard,  what was happening during the date.

Thanks, Rick.   I still don't feel this explains why they are doing this silliness of spying on Amy and her date, which is really what I have issue with...it just seems stupid to me and only was written to get laughs.  This whole breakup story to me is very inorganic and contrived and this is yet another example of that.  But thank you for the clarification.   There are so many posts and I can't get to all of them so missed your clarification I guess.  I apologize for that.

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