Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[jenafan]

And if Amy were a little bit more self-confident, she would have torn the ends of Sheldon´s scarf towards her, would have pulled him down and would have kissed him.

This kissing always brakes Sheldon´s walls down (it´s always interesting how he opens himself, showing how much he wants her, I mean he always pulls her as close as possible to him) , we all know how much he likes to kiss her and I´m sure the next time they kiss, there will be no way back and they will forget everything around them and yield to temptation.

Oh, Des, if only it could happen the way you have just described.

I really think this is what is needed to ignite the freaking spark.   The words just aren't there, and there is too much space between them now.  I think way more than Amy originally intended.   It's like they are so far gone from each other, getting them back together now seems impossible.

Neither one of them are trying.   Both have given up on the other.

Edited October 22, 2015 by jenafan

[Amy Fowler]

Is there any point them being back together right now? Amy hasn't expressed any interest in taking Sheldon back and I dont see her just saying yes straight away to a surprise proposal From Sheldon

 

This will drag on all season 

thing is if Amy finds out about the purposal it'll give her the motive to atleast talk to Sheldon about their relationship. She'll get the answers to questions that have been niggling at her for ages. We know Sheldon won't inciate the talk so Amy will have to and the purposal will be the topic do that. You're right, there's no way she'll say yes to his purposal but she'll probably want to discuss things about it, like why now? Why didn't he do it? Then that'll lead to other questions she has. Plus, the amount of times Amy has gone on about Sheldon being a flight risk, even if she doesn't say it aloud anymore she might be thinking it. Other than saying 'I love you' and being together for five years their commitment level hasn't really changed so it might have played a part in her break up. To save herself from getting hurt if he ended it with her. 

If they want to keep viewers they can't have this break up last all season. It would be totally unfair to do that to views and them as characters.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Amy Fowler

[Flaky]

Actually, from what I understood, some of us (me being one of them) were throwing out our opinions/hopes that maybe that failed date with Dave was symbolic....no one ever posted it as if it came straight from the taping report.

Honestly, sometimes people read others opinions and take them the wrong way....as if it's really true or came from the report. LOL

I was also one who posted thoughts I was wrestling with on how the Amy/Dave date ends in 9.08. Basically, I was wishing for more information on Amy's reaction to Dave's questions. 

I agree with MJistheBOMB that some people read the TR and take them as fact. I do not. I read the TRs in good fun keeping in mind they are the perspective of others. But to be honest, I still can't help but hope for a positive vibe from the TRs even though I know the final product/or my own opinion of a scene may be different. ( If that makes any sense ) 

[A Shamy gal]

Oh, Des, if only it could happen the way you have just described.

I really think this is what is needed to ignite the freaking spark.   The words just aren't there, and there is too much space between them now.  I think way more than Amy originally intended.   It's like they are so far gone from each other, getting them back together now seems impossible.

Neither one of them are trying.   Both have given up on the other.

Neither of them are trying because they both think the other wants to move on. 

[Soopysue]

Logically it can't go on , reasons in short .....

1- the tape with ring info.

2 - L&P know about ring.

3- Viewers are getting bored , they've only seen up to 5 !!

4 - the whole show is out of kilter. ie no whole gang dinners etc.

5 - No face to face Shamy for 3 episodes now.

6- Hard to have Mayim have enough time on the show .

7- story line too prominent for too long , must be resolved before moving on.

8- Poor rest of the cast hasn't any good big story's till this nightmare is resolved.

9- Mayim and Jim prefer it when they are together !!!!

10- last but not least we all hate this break !!!!

Now for the love of God end this hellishness and bring back Shamy I don't really care anymore how just do it now. I can't bear their wee upset faces any longer, The stairwell scene was awful, I wanted to just hug them both ( amazing acting !) . 

Sorry rant over but I'm sure you all get me - enough is enough !!!!!.

[Amy Fowler]

Logically it can't go on , reasons in short .....

1- the tape with ring info.

2 - L&P know about ring.

3- Viewers are getting bored , they've only seen up to 5 !!

4 - the whole show is out of kilter. ie no whole gang dinners etc.

5 - No face to face Shamy for 3 episodes now.

6- Hard to have Mayim have enough time on the show .

7- story line too prominent for too long , must be resolved before moving on.

8- Poor rest of the cast hasn't any good big story's till this nightmare is resolved.

9- Mayim and Jim prefer it when they are together !!!!

10- last but not least we all hate this break !!!!

Now for the love of God end this hellishness and bring back Shamy I don't really care anymore how just do it now. I can't bear their wee upset faces any longer, The stairwell scene was awful, I wanted to just hug them both ( amazing acting !) . 

Sorry rant over but I'm sure you all get me - enough is enough !!!!!.

writers take note. THIS 1000 TIMES

Edited October 22, 2015 by Amy Fowler

[April]

If they want to keep viewers they can't have this break up last all season. It would be totally unfair to do that to views and them as characters.

Imagine if this gets dragged out all season long the way it is now from a writing/production point of view. It would mean a full season with a focus on Shamy heart break stories. For a show like this that sounds insane! I mean they barely do any story arcs at all but to suddenly have a whole season of this??

And as much as I love Sheldon and Amy (and I'm happy that Jim and Mayim get some nice material to work with here) I already feel the rest of the gang is being sidelined by all of this. Lenny sorted out their problems and since then not much from their front. Howardette have one talk about babies but other than that nada. Raj might just as well be single by now cause we barely saw or heard anything from Emily. Idk, the imbalance is kinda weird. Then again this could just be me...

[Amy Fowler]

I'm thinking now is an appropriate time for this

[A Shamy gal]

I'm thinking now is an appropriate time for this

This is exactly what is needed. Some honest communication between them. Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk

[Soopysue]

 

I'm thinking now is an appropriate time for this

I love this !!!- this type of chat ( plus more ) is what's needed !!!!! NOW !

[Chaliceinnana]

Logically it can't go on , reasons in short .....

1- the tape with ring info.

2 - L&P know about ring.

3- Viewers are getting bored , they've only seen up to 5 !!

4 - the whole show is out of kilter. ie no whole gang dinners etc.

5 - No face to face Shamy for 3 episodes now.

6- Hard to have Mayim have enough time on the show .

7- story line too prominent for too long , must be resolved before moving on.

8- Poor rest of the cast hasn't any good big story's till this nightmare is resolved.

9- Mayim and Jim prefer it when they are together !!!!

10- last but not least we all hate this break !!!!

Now for the love of God end this hellishness and bring back Shamy I don't really care anymore how just do it now. I can't bear their wee upset faces any longer, The stairwell scene was awful, I wanted to just hug them both ( amazing acting !) . 

Sorry rant over but I'm sure you all get me - enough is enough !!!!!.

I agree totally, but what if the writers think this is going really well? or what if they have nothing else planned? Molaro loves to brag about not planning ahead. If he likes how this is playing out we are screwed.

[Soopysue]

I agree totally, but what if the writers think this is going really well? or what if they have nothing else planned? Molaro loves to brag about not planning ahead. If he likes how this is playing out we are screwed.

I think if that is the case, they will end up with very dissapointed fans and very bored viewers even the casual ones - not to mention the fact I'm sure the others actors on the show would probably feel a little short changed with no big storylines to get their teeth into ! .

So let's hope not !!

[sarah7]

It's not about how their dates look. At least for me it's not. But Sheldon's date turns out to be a intelligent, cute girl who kind of understands Sheldon and has a nice conversation with him whereas Amy's date turns out to be a fan of Sheldon's...So not only once again Amy's life is all about Sheldon, even after their breakup, but also now when they finally reconcile, I couldn't help but wonder is it because Amy only wants Sheldon or because she just don't have any other choice. 

This is an episode about them looking for other options. If they each have a nice date, I'll be totally fine with it. But Amy's option is not really an "option". Amy never really has any options in the show. I know she's a supporting character, but after all the breakup is about two people. The writers should tell stories from both's POVs. 

As for Sheldon moving on, based on what happens in 907, it's logical and totally reasonable. But I'm still a little upset because it takes Amy forever to get close to Sheldon and there's this girl, who just shows up in one episode, almost gets herself a date with Sheldon. If she was a few seconds earlier, would they go on dates? So again, I couldn't help but wonder when Shamy finally get back together, should Amy feel lucky that this girl was late? Or else she wouldn't have a boyfriend left.

The bolded parts, totally THIS.

I don't give either a flying duck about their dates' looks, what Camelliayao pointed out is my main gripe with the whole situation. I hate the fact that Sheldon is omnipresent in Amy's life and that she seems to have no other options (because, how dares she?, hadn't she learned anything in the past five years? Sheldon absolutely rules!) and the implication that he is totally desirable whereas Amy is easily disposable and expendable (since their break up, have we heard Sheldon say at least once why we wanted to get her back, apart of the fact that he's suffering because of his newly discovered capacity for love?)

And it was way too convenient to end Sheldon's date before it even started, let this girl expend a day with the charming hunky physicist and lets see if she was not ready to run up the hills in the first opportunity after being exposed to his 'lovely quirks' for some hours, that if we are talking about them giving a minimal of realism to her characterization, because if they wanted it, the girl could totally be head over heels for him, and since he so desperately need to ease his pain and they had been preparing us for 'Sexual Sheldon' for a while, well....

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by sarah7

[Desdemona]

Oh, Des, if only it could happen the way you have just described.

I really think this is what is needed to ignite the freaking spark.   The words just aren't there, and there is too much space between them now.  I think way more than Amy originally intended.   It's like they are so far gone from each other, getting them back together now seems impossible.

Neither one of them are trying.   Both have given up on the other.

I would like prefer it this way too, Jena.

But it could be easy, if the writers would want to.

Now, that Sheldon knows about Dave, he could ask (just for curiosity) how thinks are going between her and Dave. Amy could assume, that he knows about him, because the gang told him. But as Amy has dumped Dave, she doesn´t want to talk about it and says that she doesn´t want to talk about it, which decoys Sheldon, to make some inapropiate comment, which makes Amy furious, so they have a fight like this:

Sheldon: You can´t get me out of your head, huh?

Amy: Why does everything have to turn around you? Even, while I´m with another man, it´s about you!

Sheldon: Oh really? I´ve done a lot of things lately to make you happy!

Amy: Well, you failed on our anniversary!

Sheldon: As far as I remember, it was you, who ruined the evening!

Amy: It was you, talking about your stupid TV show, you wanted to see!

It´s always about you and your comic books or some fictionary characters, even when it should be supposed about us and only us! I accepted your RA, your quirks, I did everything to make you feel comfort, I´m avoiding issues like living arrangements and physical intimacy and what do I get?

Selfish behaviour, mean comments, distracted make outs...

Sheldon: Well, if I was such a bad boyfriend, then why didn´t you tell me?!

And then they start to talk seriously and with full honesty.

But as long as the writers decide to continue the break up, we just can hope, that they will make an end to it. Hopefully soon!

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by Desdemona

[mirs1]

Logically it can't go on , reasons in short .....

1- the tape with ring info.

2 - L&P know about ring.

3- Viewers are getting bored , they've only seen up to 5 !!

4 - the whole show is out of kilter. ie no whole gang dinners etc.

5 - No face to face Shamy for 3 episodes now.

6- Hard to have Mayim have enough time on the show .

7- story line too prominent for too long , must be resolved before moving on.

8- Poor rest of the cast hasn't any good big story's till this nightmare is resolved.

9- Mayim and Jim prefer it when they are together !!!!

10- last but not least we all hate this break !!!!

Now for the love of God end this hellishness and bring back Shamy I don't really care anymore how just do it now. I can't bear their wee upset faces any longer, The stairwell scene was awful, I wanted to just hug them both ( amazing acting !) . 

Sorry rant over but I'm sure you all get me - enough is enough !!!!!.

I agree with almost your points, Soopysue, this has to stop, now!!! But, regarding to viewers getting bored, I think it's not completely true. I know internet is full of people saying that there is so much drama now, it's not a sit-com anymore, too much love and too less nerd stuff and so on. And I used to think that  meant the writers had chosen a wrong path for the show. But ratings  are pretty good, people are watching the show. If you go in the Rating thread, you will see that TBBT is doing pretty well with respect to the general loss of viewers of broadcast TV. So, general viewers are not bored (most of them at least are not...) We should start to think that our POV is very "particular", since we are so invested in the show and in our ship. Writers have their POV about which direction they have to give to the show, but this POV is not affected by how a little minority of the fandom feels about a particular plot...

That being said, I hope this nightmare ends soon in a way or the other. I hope we get soon some more variety in the plots (I feel for those in the cast that are almost unemployed right now),  dinners all together and above all some Shamy's bliss. The stairwall scene was so sad but so beautiful, it showed how much chemistry there is between the two actors, they were both perfect in that scene. And I miss so much the two of them together, possibly in a merrier situation! 

Edited October 22, 2015 by mirs1

[camelliayao]

The bolded parts, totally THIS.

I don't give either a flying duck about their dates' looks, what Camelliayao pointed out is my main gripe with the whole situation. I hate the fact that Sheldon is omnipresent in Amy's life and that she seems to have no other options (because, how dares she?, hadn't she learned anything in the past five years? Sheldon absolutely rules!) and the implication that he is totally desirable whereas Amy is easily disposable and expendable (since their break up, have we heard Sheldon say at least once why we wanted to get her back, apart of the fact that he's suffering because of his newly discovered capacity for love?)

And it was way too convenient to end Sheldon's date before it even started, let this girl expend a day with the charming hunky physicist and lets see if she was not ready to run up the hills in the first opportunity after being exposed to his 'lovely quirks' for some hours, that if we are talking about them giving a minimal of realism to her characterization, because if they wanted it, the girl could totally be head over heels for him, and since he so desperately need to ease his pain and they had been preparing us for 'Sexual Sheldon' for a while, well....

 

Well, the last paragraph...Now I start to wonder why they end Sheldon's date so easily. Maybe they want to bring back this girl for more episodes...Wow if they become boyfriend/girlfriend or get intimate, that could really, really be the end of Shamy for me. And after that if Amy still wants to get back together, Amy  is ruined too. 

[jenafan]

Trust me, I have not forgotten these things, but it still does not change the way the outcome of the dates.  In both cases it is still not glaringly obvious that it was because both were thinking of the other (Amy thinking of Sheldon and he of her) when they ended their dates.   It is again one of the typical ways the writers leave everything ambiguous on purpose and that is what is frustrating.   So, let's say the next episode they try to put them on the direction of reconciliation the viewer will not know if it is because they are "settling" since their dates didn't work out, or if it is because that is what they really want and they realized that no one will replace them.   I just don't care for the way it is written and feel it left too much room to make it seem like Amy was ignored by Dave and Sheldon had an interesting woman to chat with  but both ended their dates without really making it clear in both cases was because they missed and wanted to be with each other.   If they had added a line from Sheldon saying "she wasn't Amy" that would be clear and it would also help the audience see that Sheldon just doesn't want anyone, but he wants Amy.   Likewise with Amy, when she ended the date with Dave who was obsessed with Sheldon, from the person attending the taping it sounds like it was because she was weary of being ignored and annoyed that the guy was not really trying to get to know her and talk to her.   So that does not make it sound like it was because she realized through the conversation with him that she would rather be with Sheldon as much as if she went back to Sheldon now...would she just figure all men will be ignoring her anyway so she may as well be with him?  I think it is unfair to constantly keep it always left up to the imagination of the viewer to fill in the blanks that they don't provide when it is critical information in this case on whether or not they are getting back together for the right reasons.   

The thing is, if she had had someone intelligent and swoon-worthy that was giving her all the "romance" she had been harping on wanting, would she really enjoy that or not?   It was never tested in these scenarios.   So let's say she did have someone that truly wooed her and presented all the romantic gestures, was well educated and professionally respected and successful, and showed interest in her and didn't drone on about himself....would she find that person interesting or would she still find him a bore because he just wasn't Sheldon?   That should have been the scenario presented and a clear understanding of why she broke up with the guy.   But we didn't get that.  We basically got a Sheldon-clone, but of less interest it seems than Sheldon.   I guess I just feel they again let us down in how it could have been written and accomplished what we believe is part of the issue she has had with Sheldon with a new suitor that met all the things she felt she wanted, but yet her heart could not get into the new guy because she just wants Sheldon, quirks and all, even with his arrogance and selfishness.   Sheldon on the other hand, got nothing new from his date in the sense that he didn't learn that she might also ask for the things Amy has been asking...or that she found him boring and dull, or whatever to where he realized what a treasure he has in Amy so that he can appreciate her more, and treat her more as a treasure.   

I just feel that if they were going to explore them dating other people, the outcome should be leading toward the direction they want to go and these dates fell short.

Very good points here, but like Sheldon said during their 8.2, a prince charming is not what she really wants to make her happy.   I really do believe Sheldon knows her better in this area than she knows herself.   I think if he had spent more time telling her his feelings and their plans for the future, if he had made her a priority in his decisions,  if they had had more of a physical relationship, then she would have been content without all conventional romance and wouldn't be looking elsewhere.

Had she gone on a dating site and answered a truthful questionnaire about her interests, the things that intrigue her, etc.   Even the site would have selected another Sheldon because, like it or not, these are the type of men she is truly attracted to.  Yes, physical looks affect her, as was indicated by Zack.   However, as soon as he opened his mouth, she lost her mood.  Amy is not looking for a one-night stand to sweep her off of her feet.   She's looking for a companion.   I don't think it is a slight on Amy that her date was not Fabio, I think the selection chosen is IC for her and what she is looking for.  

If anything, I think this should prove to Amy that she has set her expectations too high for the type of men she is attracted to and that Sheldon has really been it all along.   So, either she needs to accept this about herself and adapt or she needs to change the playing field regarding her interests and the type of man she wants in her life.

I also think Amy has been feeling her way through her relationship with Sheldon, whereas Sheldon has been thinking his way through it, causing them to come out of sync with each other.  I wholeheartedly believe that once she finds out about Sheldon's true intentions, that his feelings for her are real, and that his breakdown has been caused by him losing his soul mate, rather than just because he lost his play toy, she will see things differently.     I think she is misunderstanding his attempts as another temper tantrum for not getting his way rather than heartbreak over his loss.

Now that they are broken up, Sheldon is finally feeling, but he is still thinking his way through a solution without Amy because he's convinced it is over.    He might be trying to go through the motions by meeting and having a conversation with Vanessa as a form of distraction, but in the end there's no interest to take it further so why bother .  He found an excuse to end it.  If we recall, Sheldon did not even want to meet Amy, and they hit it off immediately, and here we are five years later shipping them.   I actually like the contrast between his response to Vanessa vs. Amy.  I think it is very clear that his lack of interest in any other woman is because they are not Amy.   Like the ring, we the audience know, even if Amy doesn't.

Amy, well I don't know what to say.   Until we see the episode air, there is really no way to tell exactly how the date effected her, whether it will draw her back to Sheldon or not.  Maybe she gets so pissed off that she goes to confront Sheldon for interfering with her life even by proxy so that she can't get away from him even if she tries and that starts the ball rolling for them talking again, even in anger.......    I just have to believe Amy is holding back her feelings and eventually she is going to explode and reveal all.

As Des mentioned earlier, they just need to put their lips on each other and ignite the spark, because I think once he holds her again, the emotions she's been holding back will finally come pouring out.

Edited October 22, 2015 by jenafan
I just wanted to add, that when I refer to Fabio, I'm not talking about looks but a man who is romantic in personality.

[Soopysue]

I agree with almost your points, Soopysue, this has to stop, now!!! But, regarding to viewers getting bored, I think it's not completely true. I know internet is full of people saying that there is so much drama now, it's not a sit-com anymore, too much love and too less nerd stuff and so on. And I used to think that  meant the writers had chosen a wrong path for the show. But ratings  are pretty good, people are watching the show. If you go in the Rating thread, you will see that TBBT is doing pretty well with respect to the general loss of viewers of broadcast TV. So, general viewers are not bored (most of them at least are not...) We should start to think that our POV is very "particular", since we are so invested in the show and in our ship. Writers have their POV about which direction they have to give to the show, but this POV is not affected by how a little minority of the fandom feels about a particular plot...

That being said, I hope this nightmare ends soon in a way or the other. I hope we get soon some more variety in the plots (I feel for those in the cast that are almost unemployed right now),  dinners all together and above all some Shamy's bliss. The stairwall scene was so sad but so beautiful, it showed how much chemistry there is between the two actors, they were both perfect in that scene. And I miss so much the two of them together, possibly in a merrier situation! 

True I get what you're saying about ratings being good just now - but that's after 5 episodes , can you imagine after 10 where Shamy ( not even funny happy Shamy ) are still the main focus. I think it would grind on people and be off putting , especially fans of the other characters  

Totally get your point though and agree with the rest of your post !

[nibbler747]

I agree totally, but what if the writers think this is going really well? or what if they have nothing else planned? Molaro loves to brag about not planning ahead. If he likes how this is playing out we are screwed.

It's worrying for sure.  I have no idea what the writers are thinking, or how long they plan to drag things out.  A long drawn out storyline sounds painful for a show that's supposed to be a sitcom.  But if they resolve it super quick (in an episode or 2), that seems kind of fake also.

Curious, do you think the writers care like we do about 200th episode, or that a "big" moment has to happen during sweeps only?  It's getting to sweeps time, and if they make the show even more depressing...yikes.

They are really missing out on fun scenes with the gang all together, doing fun things.  It's girls or guys.  The fencing was funny, but peppered with angst.  The girls talking to Stuart was ok, but could have been a lot funnier I think.  I miss them all together having fun.

[Desdemona]

I'm thinking now is an appropriate time for this

I simply love it Amy!! I really would like them to say that! Could you tell me, which tool do you use, to make these text message dialogues?

[rachelshamyfan]

thing is if Amy finds out about the purposal it'll give her the motive to atleast talk to Sheldon about their relationship. She'll get the answers to questions that have been niggling at her for ages. We know Sheldon won't inciate the talk so Amy will have to and the purposal will be the topic do that. You're right, there's no way she'll say yes to his purposal but she'll probably want to discuss things about it, like why now? Why didn't he do it? Then that'll lead to other questions she has. Plus, the amount of times Amy has gone on about Sheldon being a flight risk, even if she doesn't say it aloud anymore she might be thinking it. Other than saying 'I love you' and being together for five years their commitment level hasn't really changed so it might have played a part in her break up. To save herself from getting hurt if he ended it with her. 

If they want to keep viewers they can't have this break up last all season. It would be totally unfair to do that to views and them as characters.

they're already changing the characters so much that nothing will be the same if they get back together again, Sheldon is being made to think more about his feelings and that's not the Sheldon we know, he was slowly adjusting to life with Amy but now he is being forced to think about things and Amy is already dating, with and without their friends interference

 

It's just painful to watch after last season where they had a lot of good things happen

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by rachelshamyfan

[wowbagger]

I'm seeing the exact opposite.  I don't understand Sheldon here at all.  I understood spiteful Sheldon, I didn't like it, but I understood it.  But this sulky, shut off "moving on" Sheldon  that we've seen over the past three weeks and will see again next week feels very contrived to me.  They had him hit Leonard for the mere suggestion that she be happy! He didn't even look relieved when she said she'd turned Barry down.  And yet we're meant to beleive that he genuinely loves her,  not that he's sulking because someone took his toy and wouldn't give it back when he threw a fit.  Because that's how I'm reading it.  If I weren't spoiled "The Spock Resonance" would feel completely out of left field.  I think it still might.

All Amy wanted was time.  She's angry and confused, because after all the effort she's put into the relationship, he couldn't give her even one thing she asked for.  And to make matters worse, he's cruel to her.  Then he treats her to weeks of apparent indifference.  He barely even looks at her on the landing.  If he  had, even he could see her pain.

 

And I'm sorry, but after this last taping report its even worse.  So, the Spock resonance is just washed away?  He's back to moving on?  Sure, he slammed the door on her, but not because she wasn't Amy, because she played the game wrong.  What if she hadn't?  They still might bring her back.  Ugh.  And then we have to watch Amy be humiliated by another man who thinks Sheldon is the best thing ever?   

Well, look, this is tricky. On the one hand, I completely agree that this 'Amy thought she had a date, but he loves Shelly more than her! Tee hee!' drivel is just- ugh. And I hate what this whole misbegotten arc has done to two characters I enjoyed so much, turning them into flouncing vehicles for shitty high school level Big Misunderstanding tropes before my eyes. I hate it so much that I have sympathy with basically anyone who isolates any part of it to dislike. Because I hate this storyline. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates it, precious.

On the other hand: come on now. Sheldon harassed her in the immediate aftermath of their break/break-up, Amy reacted with pretty justifiable irritation, and Sheldon then left her to her own devices. It's a bit hard on the man to accuse him of ignoring her wishes in the first instance, and then saying 'but you don't care! You're not fighting for her!' when he listens. How would you have him fight or demonstrate that he cares? And how would he do this demonstrating while leaving her alone as she wishes? And if we think that Amy is so hurt by seeing Sheldon that she can't even make eye contact with him, why wouldn't we accord Sheldon-who has made explicit overtures to Amy- the same benefit of the doubt?

Regarding moving on: something about the way JP played the stairwell scene makes me wonder if this is still a gambit from the man to get a reaction from Amy. Something about the stare he gave her when he mentioned dating other women. I was wondering if he was trying to get her to respond. Wrong-headed? Immature? Petulant? Unfair to any female who actually likes him? Absolutely. Does it in any way obligate Amy to return his regard? Of course not. 

And even if you disagree- even if you think Sheldon has mystifyingly yo-yo-ed from flat despair to relatively chipper roll-up-your-sleeves-and-crack-on-with-it moving on- well, unfortunately, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Both Amy and Sheldon have been bombarded with messages from their (presumably) well-meaning friends telling them to move on, that the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else etc*. Sheldon specifically has been told that his way of dealing with relationships is all wrong. So I can't really blame either Amy or Sheldon for taking the advice of their supposedly more experienced friends. I'll even swallow my discomfort about Amy's apparently having been on that damn dating app before her friends told her to do it? I think? Correct me if I am wrong. Because I wouldn't put it past Amy, God love her, (no, seriously- I have always enjoyed the fact that Amy has such a process-oriented approach to social situations) to have gotten at Penny's Cosmo and to have internalised a whole bunch of dumbass dating advice, long before Penny and Bernie even talked to her. 

The last part of your post tempts me to ask a rather impish question: do you think that you would have been fine with it if Amy's date had gone swimmingly, and Sheldon's had gone terribly?

* And-what? Seriously, is that how even the Muggles do it? Get out of a five year relationship and jump back into the dating pool? Look, I am not saying that the gang should be trying to get Sheldon and Amy back together. I completely get that if they thought Amy was unhappy with Sheldon, then she shouldn't go back to him. But seriously? Right back on the dating carousel after the breakup of a long relationship? For either Sheldon or Amy? The only way that that makes sense to me is if the gang doesn't believe that Sheldon and Amy were in a 'real' relationship. You know, because of the lack of bathing suit parts action. Which- okay, maybe I buy that from Howard, Raj and Bernie. I don't really buy it from Leonard and Penny, who have been shown to be more empathetic. Ugh, writers, why are you being so dumb with these characters?

[notchinc]

I like how tvline quoted "us" in their article yesterday cause they couldn't get network confirmation. We're too good! Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk

[stardustmelody]

I agree with almost your points, Soopysue, this has to stop, now!!! But, regarding to viewers getting bored, I think it's not completely true. I know internet is full of people saying that there is so much drama now, it's not a sit-com anymore, too much love and too less nerd stuff and so on. And I used to think that  meant the writers had chosen a wrong path for the show. But ratings  are pretty good, people are watching the show. If you go in the Rating thread, you will see that TBBT is doing pretty well with respect to the general loss of viewers of broadcast TV. So, general viewers are not bored (most of them at least are not...) We should start to think that our POV is very "particular", since we are so invested in the show and in our ship. Writers have their POV about which direction they have to give to the show, but this POV is not affected by how a little minority of the fandom feels about a particular plot...

That being said, I hope this nightmare ends soon in a way or the other. I hope we get soon some more variety in the plots (I feel for those in the cast that are almost unemployed right now),  dinners all together and above all some Shamy's bliss. The stairwall scene was so sad but so beautiful, it showed how much chemistry there is between the two actors, they were both perfect in that scene. And I miss so much the two of them together, possibly in a merrier situation! 

Here is the deal with viewers of a long-time show like BBT.  They will watch often even if they are bored so ratings are not reflecting of what they are feeling or thinking.  It is sad because that means the networks won't pay attention since their viewership numbers are still good, but it does not mean the audience is a happy audience.   Judging from comments, sure they think it is funny, but they are not happy with the show and with the Shamy storyline in particular.  They feel jokes are stale and getting old, the writers are running out of ideas and that the Shamy storyline is all over the place and not funny.   But they keep tuning in hoping that things will improve and get better.   It is a habit with them by now, because they have been watching it already for 8 seasons.   

Sadly, there really isn't a way, short of audience leaving completely, that the writers will get the hint that they are missing the mark if viewers keep coming back to watch.   They may watch polls and may look at viewer comments, but they are not giving them much weight.  They have a story to tell (or think they do) and they will do what they want.   

The other consideration is that other than The Voice, there really is zero competition for BBT during their time slot on Monday's and even less competition during their time slot on Thursdays.   So that also works in their favor.   Other networks just are not putting anything out there to compete with the show.   It still is "the best" show given its timeslot and competition.   But if say ABC decided to run Modern Family against BBT or one of their popular dramas against it, I don't know if it would remain as strong.   What if FOX moved Empire opposite it, would it keep audience?   Same with NBC's Blindspot or HBO's Veep in the same time slot?   

So while the writers are comfortable they have audience, is it really fair that to translate it that they are happy?  Not really.

[nibbler747]

It's been interesting reading on this thread how differently everyone interprets this staircase scene.  I guess it just goes to show, how differently people see the show based on their own personal experiences.

This is how I saw things.  Sheldon to me, isn't happily moving on and just accepting things are over with Amy.  I think he's quite lost and isn't sure what to do.  In his head, he was perfectly happy, about to propose to his long term girlfriend that he loved.  They get into the Flash Fight, and she tells him that she needs time apart.  Which (Amy had a right to do, but I think she should have communicated her reasons better to him), comes super out of left field to him.  So he reacts badly, and is freaking out and lashing out.  He doesn't know what he did wrong, and how his life got turned upside down in a flash (bad pun).  So he's trying in all the wrong ways to convince her to go back to him, and insults her in the process.  She freaks out, has had enough and breaks it off with him.

He still doesn't understand what happened there.  Amy hasn't really communicated her feelings about why she broke up with him.  And what does he hear from his friends?  Penny blurts out that Amy thought he was a bad boyfriend.  Leonard tells him that Amy deserves to be happy.  So his two closest friends tell him basically, that he was making Amy unhappy.  I think that equates to him, that he made Amy unhappy and that she stopped loving him.  I think he's very broken over the fact that she no longer loves him...and I think he said how he felt in the 2003 episode when he said that Amy will marry someone so much better than him.  I think that's why is isn't "chasing" Amy and telling her he loves her.  He's been convinced and now believes himself that he isn't good enough for her.  When they met on the staircase, that's what I saw in Sheldon. A quiet resigned sadness that Amy no longer loves him. He tells her about asking out women, but there is not heart or passion in it.  Just resignation.  A way for him to dull the pain.  He's doing what his friends have suggested, and not because he has any real desire to meet other women, but because he doesn't know what else to do to make the hurt stop.

As for Amy, her pain was quite apparent on the staircase.  That's the tricky thing when you are the person breaking up with someone.  She ended their relationship, but it doesn't mean that she didn't love Sheldon, or is eager to date other people.  But when he said that he asked out other women, she felt upset.  It's a totally natural reaction.  She is probably thinking, wasn't I special to him?  Did our relationship mean nothing?  But at the same time, she is the one that told him she no longer wanted to be with him.  So it's in his rights to "move on".  It always hurts to see though.  He's not really moving on, but she doesn't know that.  So she is blindly trying to "move on" also.

Well that's my take.

Edited October 22, 2015 by nibbler747