Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[phantagrae]

Here is the deal with viewers of a long-time show like BBT.  They will watch often even if they are bored so ratings are not reflecting of what they are feeling or thinking.  It is sad because that means the networks won't pay attention since their viewership numbers are still good, but it does not mean the audience is a happy audience.   Judging from comments, sure they think it is funny, but they are not happy with the show and with the Shamy storyline in particular.  They feel jokes are stale and getting old, the writers are running out of ideas and that the Shamy storyline is all over the place and not funny.   But they keep tuning in hoping that things will improve and get better.   It is a habit with them by now, because they have been watching it already for 8 seasons.   

Sadly, there really isn't a way, short of audience leaving completely, that the writers will get the hint that they are missing the mark if viewers keep coming back to watch.   They may watch polls and may look at viewer comments, but they are not giving them much weight.  They have a story to tell (or think they do) and they will do what they want.   

The other consideration is that other than The Voice, there really is zero competition for BBT during their time slot on Monday's and even less competition during their time slot on Thursdays.   So that also works in their favor.   Other networks just are not putting anything out there to compete with the show.   It still is "the best" show given its timeslot and competition.   But if say ABC decided to run Modern Family against BBT or one of their popular dramas against it, I don't know if it would remain as strong.   What if FOX moved Empire opposite it, would it keep audience?   Same with NBC's Blindspot or HBO's Veep in the same time slot?   

So while the writers are comfortable they have audience, is it really fair that to translate it that they are happy?  Not really.

But do we really know that the audience is getting bored or think the jokes are stale, based on the comments of people on the internet?  This show has had people griping online about changed characters, stale jokes, boring storylines since almost the beginning or at least since S4, when Amy was introduced.  This was even as the ratings began to skyrocket.

People love to complain about TV online--it's practically a national pastime.  And those who are enjoying the show as it is are less likely to go online--especially among the wider audience.

The writers are not naive and are not operating in a vacuum.  They do get immediate feedback from the studio audience and probably have a better feel for the mood of the audience than do the writers of shows like Modern Family, who write more or less in a vacuum, not knowing how the audience will react until after the episodes start to air.

Just because a percentage of the audience doesn't like or understand a particular storyline doesn't mean the writers don't know what they're doing and need us to tell them what to do.

[rachelshamyfan]

Maybe the writers are letting us know via the characters that yes Amy will marry someone else and Sheldon will be a broken shell of his former self

[MJistheBOMB]

Is there any point them being back together right now? Amy hasn't expressed any interest in taking Sheldon back and I dont see her just saying yes straight away to a surprise proposal From Sheldon

 

This will drag on all season 

We may not get a proposal until early next season or late this season and I'm okay with that. It would seem wrong for him to propose so soon when they basically have to "start over" again, in my opinion.

[kerrycec03]

But do we really know that the audience is getting bored or think the jokes are stale, based on the comments of people on the internet?  This show has had people griping online about changed characters, stale jokes, boring storylines since almost the beginning or at least since S4, when Amy was introduced.  This was even as the ratings began to skyrocket.

People love to complain about TV online--it's practically a national pastime.  And those who are enjoying the show as it is are less likely to go online--especially among the wider audience.

The writers are not naive and are not operating in a vacuum.  They do get immediate feedback from the studio audience and probably have a better feel for the mood of the audience than do the writers of shows like Modern Family, who write more or less in a vacuum, not knowing how the audience will react until after the episodes start to air.

Just because a percentage of the audience doesn't like or understand a particular storyline doesn't mean the writers don't know what they're doing and need us to tell them what to do.

Woo hoo!!!! If I could like this 900x I would. As someone in the industry I cringe and laugh when people make these statements without the full facts. You can never base it off internet fandom. Its not in jeopardy, public is still tuning in, its still ratings gold, an easy sell will..... And there is more comp on Monday then Thursday....lot more actually Discussing the ship fine but when people start throwing that stuff out there I loose it!!! CBS is the network, WB produces the show. Its not CBS being a cash cow is why you find a current plot stale or boring... Honestly I would hardly consider this current plot stale or boring. Frustrating YES but its not stale and far from boring Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Chaliceinnana]

But do we really know that the audience is getting bored or think the jokes are stale, based on the comments of people on the internet?  This show has had people griping online about changed characters, stale jokes, boring storylines since almost the beginning or at least since S4, when Amy was introduced.  This was even as the ratings began to skyrocket.

People love to complain about TV online--it's practically a national pastime.  And those who are enjoying the show as it is are less likely to go online--especially among the wider audience.

The writers are not naive and are not operating in a vacuum.  They do get immediate feedback from the studio audience and probably have a better feel for the mood of the audience than do the writers of shows like Modern Family, who write more or less in a vacuum, not knowing how the audience will react until after the episodes start to air.

Just because a percentage of the audience doesn't like or understand a particular storyline doesn't mean the writers don't know what they're doing and need us to tell them what to do.

Or they don't care because they are CBS's cash cow and people are sheep to them. Also they don't have a plan, just like they didn't have a resolution for the train ride. They are going to write the story till they are bored with it, drop it like hot rock into an emotionally unsatisfying and trite resolution. After which everything returns to how it was, including Sheldon continuing as Lenny's pet dog with no further commentary. It's not Sheldon who hates change, it's Molaro.

And that is actually one of the best case scenarios.

My parents are old and hate the show this season but watch out of habit... Just like 2 1/2 men.

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by Chaliceinnana

[phantagrae]

Or they don't care because they are CBS's cash cow and people are sheep to them. Also they don't have a plan, just like they didn't have a resolution for the train ride. They are going to write the story till they are bored with it, drop it like hot rock into an emotionally unsatisfying and trite resolution. After which everything returns to how it was, including Sheldon continuing as Lenny's pet dog with no further commentary. It's not Sheldon who hates change, it's Molaro.

And that is actually one of the best case scenarios.

My parents are old and hate the show this season but watch out of habit... Just like 2 1/2 men.

 

How do you know they don't have a plan for this storyline?  How do you know they're going to "drop it like a hot rock" and that the resolution will be "unsatisfying and trite"?  Have you been sitting in on the writers' room?  Just because they don't plot out entire seasons like a conspiracy show doesn't mean they don't have a general outline or a plan.  They have famously said they don't plan ahead, but in many cases they have to have done so as we have seen play out with other storylines.

Your parents do not a realistic statistic make.  My sisters both watch and have been enjoying this season.  They don't go online and talk about it though.  So, do my two sisters cancel out your two parents?

CBS/WB does care about it's cash cow, if you want to get down to that aspect.  They need it to continue to draw in the ratings, but they're not going to steer it this way or that based on the online rantings of a tiny percentage of the audience.  No show should ever micromanage their storytelling that way.  Besides, who would they listen to?  The Shamy fans?  The Lenny fans?  Fans of the other characters?  Those who want to get rid of Amy and Bernie?  Shenny fans?

They can't write according to audience consensus, even if they wanted to, which they shouldn't, because there is NO AUDIENCE CONSENSUS when it comes to what the audience wants.  Everyone wants something different as can be seen in this microcosm of the fandom.

If you go to the other forum, the reactions are somewhat different than here.  So, again, who's opinion or desire should the writers or producers follow?

As always, they can only tell the story they want to tell in the way they want to tell it.  Otherwise they're selling out to whoever decides to yell the loudest, and that would be disastrous.

[jenafan]

It's been interesting reading on this thread how differently everyone interprets this staircase scene.  I guess it just goes to show, how differently people see the show based on their own personal experiences.

This is how I saw things.  Sheldon to me, isn't happily moving on and just accepting things are over with Amy.  I think he's quite lost and isn't sure what to do.  In his head, he was perfectly happy, about to propose to his long term girlfriend that he loved.  They get into the Flash Fight, and she tells him that she needs time apart.  Which (Amy had a right to do, but I think she should have communicated her reasons better to him), comes super out of left field to him.  So he reacts badly, and is freaking out and lashing out.  He doesn't know what he did wrong, and how his life got turned upside down in a flash (bad pun).  So he's trying in all the wrong ways to convince her to go back to him, and insults her in the process.  She freaks out, has had enough and breaks it off with him.

He still doesn't understand what happened there.  Amy hasn't really communicated her feelings about why she broke up with him.  And what does he hear from his friends?  Penny blurts out that Amy thought he was a bad boyfriend.  Leonard tells him that Amy deserves to be happy.  So his two closest friends tell him basically, that he was making Amy unhappy.  I think that equate to him, that he made Amy unhappy and that she stopped loving him.  I think he's very broken over the fact that she no longer loves him...and I think he said how he felt in the 2003 episode when he said that Amy will marry someone so much better than him.  I think that's why is isn't "chasing" Amy and telling him he loves her.  He's been convinced and now believes himself that he isn't good enough for her.  When they met on the staircase, that's what I saw in Sheldon.  I quiet resigned sadness that Amy no longer loves him. I tells her about asking out women, but there is not heart or passion in it.  Just resignation.  A way for him to dull the pain.  He's doing what his friends have suggested, and not because he has any real desire to meet other women, but because he doesn't know what else to do to make the hurt stop.

As for Amy, her pain was quite apparent on the staircase.  That's the tricky thing when you are the person breaking up with someone.  She ended their relationship, but it doesn't mean that she didn't love Sheldon, or is eager to date other people.  But when he said that he asked out other women, she felt upset.  It's a totally natural reaction.  She is probably thinking, wasn't I special to him?  Did our relationship mean nothing?  But at the same time, she is the one that told him she no longer wanted to be with him.  So it's in his rights to "move on".  It always hurts to see though.  He's not really moving on, but she doesn't know that.  So she is blindly trying to "move on" also.

Well that's my take.

I absolutely love your take and agree 100%.

[NerwenAldarion]

Maybe the writers are letting us know via the characters that yes Amy will marry someone else and Sheldon will be a broken shell of his former self

Yes that's exactly it.

And then Penny will marry Sheldon and the universe will turn upon its head.

[rachelshamyfan]

Yes that's exactly it.

And then Penny will marry Sheldon and the universe will turn upon its head.

Well they keep dropping little shenny things in and Steve molaro loves shenny going by his recent comments

[camelliayao]

Yes that's exactly it.

And then Penny will marry Sheldon and the universe will turn upon its head.

No I think Sheldon will date the Vanessa girl for five years and then propose to her using that ring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jenafan]

Well, look, this is tricky. On the one hand, I completely agree that this 'Amy thought she had a date, but he loves Shelly more than her! Tee hee!' drivel is just- ugh. And I hate what this whole misbegotten arc has done to two characters I enjoyed so much, turning them into flouncing vehicles for shitty high school level Big Misunderstanding tropes before my eyes. I hate it so much that I have sympathy with basically anyone who isolates any part of it to dislike. Because I hate this storyline. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates it, precious.

On the other hand: come on now. Sheldon harassed her in the immediate aftermath of their break/break-up, Amy reacted with pretty justifiable irritation, and Sheldon then left her to her own devices. It's a bit hard on the man to accuse him of ignoring her wishes in the first instance, and then saying 'but you don't care! You're not fighting for her!' when he listens. How would you have him fight or demonstrate that he cares? And how would he do this demonstrating while leaving her alone as she wishes? And if we think that Amy is so hurt by seeing Sheldon that she can't even make eye contact with him, why wouldn't we accord Sheldon-who has made explicit overtures to Amy- the same benefit of the doubt?

Regarding moving on: something about the way JP played the stairwell scene makes me wonder if this is still a gambit from the man to get a reaction from Amy. Something about the stare he gave her when he mentioned dating other women. I was wondering if he was trying to get her to respond. Wrong-headed? Immature? Petulant? Unfair to any female who actually likes him? Absolutely. Does it in any way obligate Amy to return his regard? Of course not. 

And even if you disagree- even if you think Sheldon has mystifyingly yo-yo-ed from flat despair to relatively chipper roll-up-your-sleeves-and-crack-on-with-it moving on- well, unfortunately, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Both Amy and Sheldon have been bombarded with messages from their (presumably) well-meaning friends telling them to move on, that the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else etc*. Sheldon specifically has been told that his way of dealing with relationships is all wrong. So I can't really blame either Amy or Sheldon for taking the advice of their supposedly more experienced friends. I'll even swallow my discomfort about Amy's apparently having been on that damn dating app before her friends told her to do it? I think? Correct me if I am wrong. Because I wouldn't put it past Amy, God love her, (no, seriously- I have always enjoyed the fact that Amy has such a process-oriented approach to social situations) to have gotten at Penny's Cosmo and to have internalised a whole bunch of dumbass dating advice, long before Penny and Bernie even talked to her. 

The last part of your post tempts me to ask a rather impish question: do you think that you would have been fine with it if Amy's date had gone swimmingly, and Sheldon's had gone terribly?

* And-what? Seriously, is that how even the Muggles do it? Get out of a five year relationship and jump back into the dating pool? Look, I am not saying that the gang should be trying to get Sheldon and Amy back together. I completely get that if they thought Amy was unhappy with Sheldon, then she shouldn't go back to him. But seriously? Right back on the dating carousel after the breakup of a long relationship? For either Sheldon or Amy? The only way that that makes sense to me is if the gang doesn't believe that Sheldon and Amy were in a 'real' relationship. You know, because of the lack of bathing suit parts action. Which- okay, maybe I buy that from Howard, Raj and Bernie. I don't really buy it from Leonard and Penny, who have been shown to be more empathetic. Ugh, writers, why are you being so dumb with these characters?

Wowbagger, if I ever have to go to court for anything, I want you to be my attorney.   Your posts are so extremely thought out and well written, that even when I may disagree, which is not the case here, I can't help but jump on board with you.

[Kathleen]

My heart hurts for BOTH of these characters. I'm not Team Sheldon or Team Amy here. I just wish they would leave Shamy alone for a while and let other characters actually have stories, besides a scene here or there. Yes I'm pissed about Shamy but I feel they really need to focus somewhere else for a bit, especially Raj. He might as well not even be in a relationship with Emily because the writers don't care enough about his character to give it a storyline. Luckily Emily is in this week's episode so maybe that problem will be addressed, but I feel they need to have him break up with her because he needs to learn to be happy on his own and not always have to be attached to someone romantically. 

Shamy-wise, Steve Molaro is going to milk this for all it's worth and he's not going to care what we say because viewers are still going to watch the show. It looks as though he's going to have this drag out the whole season or at least until the 200th episode. I really hope he doesn't but honestly if they got back together sooner, it would be too rushed and not doing either of the characters justice. 

Sorry for the Raj tangent, that's another thing that's annoying me lol. 

 

[mirs1]

No I think Sheldon will date the Vanessa girl for five years and then propose to her using that ring.

In five years maybe George Jr. will decide to merry the "wh..e" is dating (according to his mother) and will ask the ring back!!! All things considered, he is the first born, the ring should be his heirloom!

Just kidding!!! We all know whose finger that ring belongs!

Edited October 22, 2015 by mirs1

[wowbagger]

Wowbagger, if I ever have to go to court for anything, I want you to be my attorney.   Your posts are so extremely thought out and well written, that even when I may disagree, which is not the case here, I can't help but jump on board with you.

jena, ain't nobody more gracious (in agreement or disagreement) than you. Many thanks!

[Ginny Hamilton]

How do you know they don't have a plan for this storyline?  How do you know they're going to "drop it like a hot rock" and that the resolution will be "unsatisfying and trite"?  Have you been sitting in on the writers' room?  Just because they don't plot out entire seasons like a conspiracy show doesn't mean they don't have a general outline or a plan.  They have famously said they don't plan ahead, but in many cases they have to have done so as we have seen play out with other storylines.

Your parents do not a realistic statistic make.  My sisters both watch and have been enjoying this season.  They don't go online and talk about it though.  So, do my two sisters cancel out your two parents?

CBS/WB does care about it's cash cow, if you want to get down to that aspect.  They need it to continue to draw in the ratings, but they're not going to steer it this way or that based on the online rantings of a tiny percentage of the audience.  No show should ever micromanage their storytelling that way.  Besides, who would they listen to?  The Shamy fans?  The Lenny fans?  Fans of the other characters?  Those who want to get rid of Amy and Bernie?  Shenny fans?

They can't write according to audience consensus, even if they wanted to, which they shouldn't, because there is NO AUDIENCE CONSENSUS when it comes to what the audience wants.  Everyone wants something different as can be seen in this microcosm of the fandom.

If you go to the other forum, the reactions are somewhat different than here.  So, again, who's opinion or desire should the writers or producers follow?

As always, they can only tell the story they want to tell in the way they want to tell it.  Otherwise they're selling out to whoever decides to yell the loudest, and that would be disastrous.

So well said!   A voice of reason in the wilderness......

 

[phantagrae]

Well they keep dropping little shenny things in and Steve molaro loves shenny going by his recent comments

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

[stardustmelody]

How do you know they don't have a plan for this storyline?  How do you know they're going to "drop it like a hot rock" and that the resolution will be "unsatisfying and trite"?  Have you been sitting in on the writers' room?  Just because they don't plot out entire seasons like a conspiracy show doesn't mean they don't have a general outline or a plan.  They have famously said they don't plan ahead, but in many cases they have to have done so as we have seen play out with other storylines.

Your parents do not a realistic statistic make.  My sisters both watch and have been enjoying this season.  They don't go online and talk about it though.  So, do my two sisters cancel out your two parents?

CBS/WB does care about it's cash cow, if you want to get down to that aspect.  They need it to continue to draw in the ratings, but they're not going to steer it this way or that based on the online rantings of a tiny percentage of the audience.  No show should ever micromanage their storytelling that way.  Besides, who would they listen to?  The Shamy fans?  The Lenny fans?  Fans of the other characters?  Those who want to get rid of Amy and Bernie?  Shenny fans?

They can't write according to audience consensus, even if they wanted to, which they shouldn't, because there is NO AUDIENCE CONSENSUS when it comes to what the audience wants.  Everyone wants something different as can be seen in this microcosm of the fandom.

If you go to the other forum, the reactions are somewhat different than here.  So, again, who's opinion or desire should the writers or producers follow?

As always, they can only tell the story they want to tell in the way they want to tell it.  Otherwise they're selling out to whoever decides to yell the loudest, and that would be disastrous.

Molaro has pretty much stated so over and over again that they don't have a plan and are letting it go wherever it goes.   I think that, along with the way the story has snowballed and has seemingly gone  what appear to many fans "off course" are evidences that they do not have a plan.   But the biggest evidence is from Molaro himself stating they don't have one.   

For the rest of your post...I do agree that they care about their cash cow and bottom line they will write a story based on what they want (not regarding what fans post or say) because that is their job and what they are hired to do, and they will keep in mind that they cannot lose audience or their cash-cow goes away and none of them want that.   

I also agree that opinions, even on this forum vary so it is hard to listen to fan comments, although I do think there has been an overwhelming increase in dissatisfaction across the internet with the show overall this season, especially regarding how the Shamy story is being handled based on everything I have been reading.   So when they see a trend that is consistent, even if individual specific comments are not consistent, that they should be listening to and trying to get a handle on how they can make it a more pleasant journey they have planned.   

But you made some good points and valid points above.   

[veejay]

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

[phantagrae]

Molaro has pretty much stated so over and over again that they don't have a plan and are letting it go wherever it goes.   I think that, along with the way the story has snowballed and has seemingly gone  what appear to many fans "off course" are evidences that they do not have a plan.   But the biggest evidence is from Molaro himself stating they don't have one.   

For the rest of your post...I do agree that they care about their cash cow and bottom line they will write a story based on what they want (not regarding what fans post or say) because that is their job and what they are hired to do, and they will keep in mind that they cannot lose audience or their cash-cow goes away and none of them want that.   

I also agree that opinions, even on this forum vary so it is hard to listen to fan comments, although I do think there has been an overwhelming increase in dissatisfaction across the internet with the show overall this season, especially regarding how the Shamy story is being handled based on everything I have been reading.   So when they see a trend that is consistent, even if individual specific comments are not consistent, that they should be listening to and trying to get a handle on how they can make it a more pleasant journey they have planned.   

But you made some good points and valid points above.   

Molaro has stated that they do not plan very far in the future and do not plot out whole seasons, but I do think, based on how this has developed on what I consider to be a clear through-line, that they do indeed have at least a big general idea for how this story is playing out.  Perhaps not every line, but certainly it seems that they have a general outline.

Of course, I suspect that will not seem to be the case for those who already decided, after the first episode, that the breakup made no sense and that the writers were making it up as they went along, etc., etc..  If one is predetermined not to see any sense in the story, then it's hard to actually see the organic line.

So, some people claim it makes no sense, while others see the sense in the story.  But it's wrong, IMO, to claim to know what is or is not going through the minds of the writers, or to assume that they don't know what they're doing just because one doesn't like the story or the way it is unfolding.

[wowbagger]

My heart hurts for BOTH of these characters. I'm not Team Sheldon or Team Amy here. I just wish they would leave Shamy alone for a while and let other characters actually have stories, besides a scene here or there. Yes I'm pissed about Shamy but I feel they really need to focus somewhere else for a bit, especially Raj. He might as well not even be in a relationship with Emily because the writers don't care enough about his character to give it a storyline. Luckily Emily is in this week's episode so maybe that problem will be addressed, but I feel they need to have him break up with her because he needs to learn to be happy on his own and not always have to be attached to someone romantically. 

Shamy-wise, Steve Molaro is going to milk this for all it's worth and he's not going to care what we say because viewers are still going to watch the show. It looks as though he's going to have this drag out the whole season or at least until the 200th episode. I really hope he doesn't but honestly if they got back together sooner, it would be too rushed and not doing either of the characters justice. 

Sorry for the Raj tangent, that's another thing that's annoying me lol. 

 

No I completely agree about the Raj thing (though this may be better placed in the 'Other ships' or general S9 thread). His first proper on-screen relationship and it's being shuffled off to the sidelines in the manner? Let alone the implication that, despite his misgivings about her character, he should-what?-suck it up? Learn to love her? Because she gives him regular sex?

And yes, God almighty I wish we could give the Shamy thing a bit of a rest for a little while. This constant festival of missed signals and miscommunications is very wearing. And also, why are so many of their plots romance plots? Hey, show? Amy won't die if she's given non-Sheldon, non-breakup or non-dating plots for a while. Apart from the blessed relief of Amy's Very Serious Penis Cookies, the poor girl has had sod-all except breakup drama- in which she is basically reduced to being a passive recipientfor someone else doing the emoting, yelling or being funny. Remember her storied career as a neurobiologist? There are things that you can do with the character, show, that do not involve her being the eye-rolling witness to the antics of some 'pasty weirdo', in Borealis's phrase.

[mirs1]

They always say they don't plan,in every interview, at every Comic-Con,  but it's really hard for me to believe that it is possible to run a hit sit-com without planning. They say those thing just to boast about their comedic style and because maybe the first Season everything was new and they could do whatever they wanted, basically there weren't story lines to develop, but just characters to create. Now (but, seriously, since Season 2) it is not believable, there are so many actors on the show, so many story lines to follow, so many  things to consider. For example, imagine they had decided out of the blue that Amy and Sheldon had to date somebody and that their dates had to be some pretty famous actors, just for fun and without a plan. Do you think it is possible? You have to cast those actors and find time in their schedule, one of them is even living in another country half of the time...They have pretty much clear the time line of this plot and where they want to go...Maybe we don't like their "plan" (I don't like it very much, indeed)  or just we can't already see where everything is going, but the plan, whatever it is,  is there!

Edited October 22, 2015 by mirs1

[stardustmelody]

Molaro has stated that they do not plan very far in the future and do not plot out whole seasons, but I do think, based on how this has developed on what I consider to be a clear through-line, that they do indeed have at least a big general idea for how this story is playing out.  Perhaps not every line, but certainly it seems that they have a general outline.

Of course, I suspect that will not seem to be the case for those who already decided, after the first episode, that the breakup made no sense and that the writers were making it up as they went along, etc., etc..  If one is predetermined not to see any sense in the story, then it's hard to actually see the organic line.

So, some people claim it makes no sense, while others see the sense in the story.  But it's wrong, IMO, to claim to know what is or is not going through the minds of the writers, or to assume that they don't know what they're doing just because one doesn't like the story or the way it is unfolding.

To be fair...I don't believe Molaro when he states what he states. I do think they have at least an overall plan, as you said at least an outline or direction and know where they are headed. I have a hard time believing they can come in week after week and just "wing it."   So yes, I do agree with you, but I was just stating where the perception may come from where they don't have a plan statement was made earlier.   It comes from Molaro himself.    Molaro stretches the truth.  He said we would meet Amy's family and learn a lot more about her.  Well so far we got a one-sided (didn't see) conversation with her mother and a one liner about her being locked in "sin closet" that we learned new.  But we didn't get anything further.  Honestly, there has been very little focus on Amy.  Most of the focus is about Sheldon and that is part of the problem with this story.   Without Amy's POV, it is very one-sided and has caused a lot of confusion in the fan base. So yeah, Molaro often stretches the truth.

I highly doubt they can run the business without having a course....they clearly have to have some sort of plan in place.  They may deviate here and there and get back on course, which is why it may come across as "going all over the place" and may have "snowballed", but it still I think will result in an overall direction and end where they plan to end.   Whether that will be satisfying to many fans remains to be seen.  So far it has been a pretty painful and uncomfortable journey for me and I think for others based on comments I have read.   But that doesn't mean they are not heading somewhere.   It is just unclear to this viewer where so far.

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by stardustmelody

[jenafan]

I also agree that opinions, even on this forum vary so it is hard to listen to fan comments, although I do think there has been an overwhelming increase in dissatisfaction across the internet with the show overall this season, especially regarding how the Shamy story is being handled based on everything I have been reading.   So when they see a trend that is consistent, even if individual specific comments are not consistent, that they should be listening to and trying to get a handle on how they can make it a more pleasant journey they have planned.   

Your words are very true.    Since we are on the Shamy thread, I will just stick with them.

Who are the writers going to please or piss off?   Those who want Shamy back together?  Those who want Shamy to move on to others who seem to be more deserving, at least for Amy?  Those who want Sheldon to give up on women all together and come out as homosexual?

How about the reconciliation?   Some want them to go back to friends first.   Some want a discussion.   Some want an all out make out, including angry coitus.   Some want engagement.   Some want the ring to appear, others don't.  Some want the friends to intervene, others think Shamy should work this out on their own.

Some think Amy should crawl back to Sheldon.   Some Sheldon to Amy.   I myself think they should crawl back to each other at the same time.

Some are enjoying this storyline and feel it is warranted.    I hate it and feel it could have been avoided, but now that it's canon I have to ride it out, like it or not.

No matter what direction the writers go with this, some are going to be happy about it and others are going to be pissed.

The casual viewers who don't ship at all and just watch the show for the pure comedic value just don't care either way.   The rest of us are just absolutely fanatical.  

It's bad when some feel the need to attack those responsible for what airs because they don't like what they are seeing, hence the reason we don't get anymore full TRs and no longer have a TR thread.

I feel bad for those who give us spoiler alerts because they are just the messengers, and when the message is not what we want to hear, we go absolutely crazy with all kinds of speculations, debating with each other over something that hasn't aired yet where we don't know the full context.

While I personally love spoilers and hope we keep getting them, my fear is that they will be stopped all together if we all (including myself) continue to overreact over the information that has been provided.

I hear that the spoiler free thread is a lot more peaceful, and that the shippers are happier because they don't know what we know and have hope that we don't have right now by not knowing.    Sometimes I think it is the better place to be, but for my part, I kind of enjoy all the debating and speculations.   If nothing else, it serves as a good distraction until all this is over.  

We all know Shamy are meant to be and will get back together, or some of us would have stop shipping them by now.   We wouldn't be on this forum everyday defending our positions on the many aspects of their relationship and this break up.   The pain comes from not knowing how it's going to happen, and in the end it won't matter.   Once they are reconciled, all of this bantering over the breakup will become a distant memory.  

While I can't speak for everyone, I can speak for myself.

 

[rachelshamyfan]

One thing we should all agree on is that We shouldn't believe the writers

 

Of course they have a plan, they just want to throw the viewers off and get them watching

[mirs1]

To be fair...I don't believe Molaro when he states what he states. I do think they have at least an overall plan, as you said at least an outline or direction and know where they are headed. I have a hard time believing they can come in week after week and just "wing it."   So yes, I do agree with you, but I was just stating where the perception may come from where they don't have a plan statement was made earlier.   It comes from Molaro himself.    Molaro stretches the truth.  He said we would meet Amy's family and learn a lot more about her.  Well so far we got a one-sided (didn't see) conversation with her mother and a one liner about her being locked in "sin closet" that we learned new.  But we didn't get anything further.   So Molaro often stretches the truth.

I highly doubt they can run the business without having a course....they clearly have to have some sort of plan in place.  They may deviate here and there and get back on course, which is why it may come across as "going all over the place" and may have "snowballed", but it still I think will result in an overall direction and end where they plan to end.   Whether that will be satisfying to many fans remains to be seen.  So far it has been a pretty painful and uncomfortable journey for me and I think for others based on comments I have read.   But that doesn't mean they are not heading somewhere.   It is just unclear to this viewer where so far.

 

Far from me to defend Molaro; actually he sometimes lies in our faces (about Shamy's dating, for example) but about Amy's family, all he did was to answer "Yes" at CC when a fan asked if we would have  known something about Amy's family. From there, we all started (and I was among the ones who did it) imagining who would have been casted as Amy's father, if there was actually an Amy's father, what role her family would have had in Shamy reconciliation and so on...

Edited October 22, 2015 by mirs1