Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[pisquenta]

 

Well, O B V I O U S L Y ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Of course they have changed since S4. They have ALL changed. Could you imagine how pathetic it would be if they had remained the same exact characters after 5 years?

Calm down...I was just making an observation, where did I say it was wrong for her to have changed? 

Edited October 23, 2015 by pisquenta

[A Shamy gal]

But most woman aren't like Amy at all, so the experiment would help him at all imho.

Considering what the writers are doing, it's not completely out of the question though. Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk

[tallin]

I don't really understand this fuss around Sheldon's date honestly. Aren't we in this  "dating others" silliness already anyway?  Makes no difference for me. Regarding changing characters, let's not forget, Amy started differently too, and even last year, she told Sheldon opened her mind to new possibilities and body to new feelings. She could have this "basic urges" before, but intimacy, really dating, sharing feelings with someone, that's what Sheldon opened her mind to. The fact that she's looking for it somewhere else now, isn't changing her character any less than Sheldon's IMO. After all even while he was opposed to dating, he always enjoyed female companionship so he could eventually build a new one. It was not like he was didn't enjoyed woman company and didn't want to purse that - look at Dr. Hofstadter for example. Amy could be first he called his girlfriend, but is not first he enjoyed his time with.  I think he liked physical relationship with Amy but I too think he could still easily live without it, so if his new relationship would be more about the "relationship of minds" I wouldn't call it some drastic character change, as much as Amy kissing somebody else I guess isn't after all, because she wanted kissing before Sheldon. But if he went right to the coitus - the horror, of course.  I can't see him dating anybody right now, he freaks out and back off anytime there's slight real chance, but in the future, since Sheldon helped Amy to open her mind and Amy showed Sheldon companionship can have great benefits, they could go way faster in new relationships and I wouldn't call it more change in character for one more than the other. Current portray is contradicting with my POV on them anyway so, I guess I can't really say what IC right now for sure and what remains is keep an open mind. 

Plus I'm not really sure from where this whole thought that Vanessa would be anything special showed up. Wasn't there like one line  about her? Something about nice talk? Now there I here how cute and smart she was and how she understood Sheldon and is just perfect? Did I miss some info? From what I get they had nice talk and he showed her a door. When we take it in comparison with Shamy first date, on that one Sheldon was blackmailed to even come and get there absolutely resistant. It took two sentence and he threw all of his strong prejudices away. Don't you think if Vanessa would catch his interest he could forgive her two minutes? 

Anyway, I thought after Sheldon seeing Amy's kiss he will be devastated, but this is one of ways I could see him go too. At least it's more appealing for viewer than seeing Sheldon's break down again I think. I just hoped he will not pester Amy again so, thankfully that didn't happened. I think all of this his dating is just way to move on. He is desperate, hurt and clueless of what to do, have no idea how to let that pain disappear and go find somebody else was literally only way he was told could possibly work. I don't think he thinks about this dating as dating with Amy, with kissing and intimacy, feelings and everything, I think it's shortsighted for him he just thinks the fact that he's dating will magically made that pain go away, but is really not thinking about the other person at all. Plus after he witnessed how fast Amy is moving on I think he wants to "catch up". I think to some degree  it's the classic "Gosh, my ex is moving on and I'm not! I have to move too...like RIGHT NOW!" kind of desperate  illogical attempt.  I think his major priority is not make everybody and especially himself believe than he moved on  and the thought of what he would really do with that girlfriend if he get one is secondary. It's about the "stamp - I'm in relationship" not the relationship itself IMO. 

[boys3allc]

Ok... So this thread is bumming me out of late. So I figured it was time for me to inject dome sunshine and rainbows in here. I have been thinking a lot about Shamy. I think way to much about them. 

What if the writers got wind of tbe negative reaction of Dave? I mean people were ready to burn idols of Amy after that ET (E!?) interview. In tbe twitter Grok post where they asked who Amy should date next the answer was almost unanimously NO!!!!! So what if this Dave/ Sheldon found a hot new girl plot was supposed to drag on longer. Then tbey got wind of the intense negative reaction and dumped it and wrote them both off? I dunno probaly this is not what happened but a girl can dream.

Though I am happy with this episode. Yeah it hurts to see Amy dating. Yeah I did not think they needed to go there. But I think thst arc is done. Dating others equaled  epic fail. So they still want to date. They don't want others. Go back and daye each other! 

I think/hope this is where the writers are going with this. And I think soon I will be barfing rainbows at my screen again.

Ok... So this thread is bumming me out of late. So I figured it was time for me to inject dome sunshine and rainbows in here. I have been thinking a lot about Shamy. I think way to much about them. 

What if the writers got wind of tbe negative reaction of Dave? I mean people were ready to burn idols of Amy after that ET (E!?) interview. In tbe twitter Grok post where they asked who Amy should date next the answer was almost unanimously NO!!!!! So what if this Dave/ Sheldon found a hot new girl plot was supposed to drag on longer. Then tbey got wind of the intense negative reaction and dumped it and wrote them both off? I dunno probaly this is not what happened but a girl can dream.

Though I am happy with this episode. Yeah it hurts to see Amy dating. Yeah I did not think they needed to go there. But I think thst arc is done. Dating others equaled  epic fail. So they still want to date. They don't want others. Go back and daye each other! 

I think/hope this is where the writers are going with this. And I think soon I will be barfing rainbows at my screen again.

[camelliayao]

Not gonna lie, I'll be very uncomfortable in watching 9.8 for all the reasons you said. I've decided to not complain any more about the directions of the show (even if right now, I'm just complaining) because there's nothing I can do about them and to watch what's going to happen, hoping for the best. Another reason for my suspension of disbelief is that all this season I've found the actual episodes way better than what I thought from the spoilers and I enjoyed some of them, even in the angst. Just to clarify, I like spoilers and I'm deeply grateful to everyone is providing them, it's just me...I'm a "dramatic" person and I have a "dramatic" imagination, so I always consider in my mind the worst scenario possible from the few hints I get from the taping reports, but really I appreciate what the people going to the tapings do for our community!

Anyway, as you said, it is much more OOC for Sheldon than for Amy to date somebody else. His reaction in the premiere "I'm done with women" was what I expected from him...Asking women out or actively searching a new girlfriend is unexpected. That's why, IMO, they went much lighter with Sheldon than with Amy. Sheldon's date, as a matter of fact, consists in him asking Raj and Howard to find him somebody (this is huge, of course...) and in just one scene with the girl, after which he behaves like...him again. I don't know where this will lead, but I find they are changing Sheldon's character much faster than they used to do, even before this season started. The sleepover was huge. The ring in the finale was huger...Never in 8 years (with the only possible exception of him being vaguely excited by the possibility of having alien children) he showed an interest in family and marriage, and then suddenly he had a ring...Then in this season, there was the Shenny kiss (it was a dream, but it gave the opportunity of seeing another side of the character), all the sexual innuendos (which continue also in 9.5, think to the conversation with Leonard on the stairs), him asking the two women out, the meltdown and now this last episode...I don't know where this is going, I'm dreading a TR someday about a "proper" date for Sheldon, with him bringing roses and chocolate to his lady,  taking her in a nice restaurant and so on!!! But, as I said, I'm a dramatic person. What's sure is that, even if I have to admit the writers are good in making his changes kind of organic,  the character is right now not developing like a paint dry, as Lorre used to say, but at warp speed!

I agree with you.

About the ring, I was pretty shocked by that too. I almost feel like the writers write the ring scene just for the purpose of this breakup. Since they don't want things to go too fast between Shamy (after all they still have at least 2 seasons), they need a breakup to drag some time. But they also don't want people to hate Sheldon, so they "give" him the ring to "justify" his behavior. This way no matter what Sheldon does during this breakup, no one will blame him because "He's got a ring! What more do you want!"

However, the ring is something they can explain later, even though I'd rather they have explained it earlier. Whereas Sheldon having desires to take a girlfriend other than Amy is something they can't undo. And this drives me crazy because after this no matter what happens I'll always have this doubt in my head: Does Sheldon really love Amy or is he just used to her company and finding another girlfriend is too much trouble so he'll do anything to make things work with Amy just to avoid the trouble? 

To me Shamy is such a unique couple partly because Sheldon's a person who would never fall in love but does fall in love because he meets Amy. She is the only exception. Now with his desire to have another girlfriend he turns into a guy who begins his adolescence in his late twenties. Amy shows him the door to the adult world and now he's gonna embrace it, with other women.

[camelliayao]

I don't understand why it is natural for Amy to kiss another man and it is unnatural for Sheldon to ask for help to find another girlfriend - moreover, even if he's obviously looking for a girlfriend, he hadn't had a date on the contrary of Amy who already had 3 different dates and even reached " date 3 " with Dave.

 

Let's remember that at the end of season 3, and up until late Season 4, Amy was a female version of Sheldon. She didn't want a romantic relationship, all kind of physical contact was " off the table ".

Of course, she has changed. A lot.

 

But why would it be OK for Amy to change so much so that she goes from " physical contact off the table " to wanting coitus and why wouldn't it be OK for Sheldon?

Because the writers portray Sheldon and Amy as two different kinds of people, even though they have similarities.

The writers answered one of the fans' questions in an interview saying "The difference between Sheldon and Amy is that although they were both kept awary from the world but Amy when she found the world she's game. She's like "My God this is great!" and Sheldon doesn't like the world so much." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WVTSaJHbac)

Sheldon doesn't believe in love, romance, girlfriend, etc. He considers himself far too evolved for those kind of things. Amy, on the other hand, does believe them and deep inside she wants them. She just can't have them before she meets Sheldon because she has no friends.

And the beauty of Shamy's love is that even though Sheldon doesn't believe in those things, he still falls in love with Amy. He's willing to make exceptions for Amy. It's always been about Amy. And now after 908, he suddenly wants those things with any woman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rachelshamyfan]

In the premier Sheldon told Leonard to stop him if he thought about going out with other girls, yet there has now been two examples of Sheldon asking girls out and Leonard hasn't stopped him, admittedly he wasn't there the 2nd time but it's another example of the inconsistencies by the writers this season

[jenafan]

Maybe we all should do an experiment and be Spoiler Free until Shamy are back together. Hahaha. I wonder how many would be strong enough?? LOL.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of them, but it's certainly a great idea.

[Chaliceinnana]

In the premier Sheldon told Leonard to stop him if he thought about going out with other girls, yet there has now been two examples of Sheldon asking girls out and Leonard hasn't stopped him, admittedly he wasn't there the 2nd time but it's another example of the inconsistencies by the writers this season

In Leonard's, defense he's probably promised to never let Penny drink "that much wine on an empty stomach again." too. He's not their mommy.

Witholding information that might help them get back together, isn't cool, but it isn't his job to throw his body on every land mine.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Chaliceinnana

[camelliayao]

In the premier Sheldon told Leonard to stop him if he thought about going out with other girls, yet there has now been two examples of Sheldon asking girls out and Leonard hasn't stopped him, admittedly he wasn't there the 2nd time but it's another example of the inconsistencies by the writers this season

Exactly. And he also said he was done with women on the phone with his mother.

There's only one way IMO to "save" the situation after 908. They can explain his behavior in 908 as "Sheldon wants revenge after seeing the Dave&Amy kiss" or "Sheldon is devastated by that kiss and don't know what to do so he begins to do ridiculous things." Either way, Sheldon's not really himself in 908.

 

 

[rachelshamyfan]

And neither ended the dates because of feelings about the other

[jenafan]

After seeing your post, I finally find out exactly what bothers me for two days.

Before Sheldon and Amy are together, Amy has showed her desires, such as the need to find a boyfriend, physical contact, kissing and coitus. So when they break up, I'm not surprised her kissing Dave. Even though I'm bothered by that kiss, at least it is IC.

On the other hand, I always thought Sheldon didn't have these desires. He found companionship of a woman, handholding, kissing, etc ridiculous. It was only until he met Amy, he began to accept and love these things.

So to me, he still doesn't love these things in general. He's only OK with doing them with Amy. If it was another woman, he would still find them ridiculous and be disgusted.

However after 908, Sheldon just becomes a regular guy. He has the desire to find another girlfriend because the old one broke up with him. So maybe he will also have the desire to kiss and have coitus with a woman. And if that's true, what's so unique about Shamy anyway? They're just another couple on TV. Give it time, maybe Amy will go on and sleep with a random guy, or maybe after they get married, Sheldon will cheat on Amy, who knows.

 

Your statement is the very reason the Shamy fans (not all), are extremely anxious.   

Now that Sheldon and Amy have pre-heated themselves so to speak and don't have each other anymore, are they now going to get into the oven with others to finish the recipe they started now that they don't have each other to cook with anymore?

What they created together was supposed to be original and sealed, not to be opened and taste-tested by others.

Now the box has been opened, they've sort of lost some of their value.

Hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

Edited October 23, 2015 by jenafan

[JE7]

In the premier Sheldon told Leonard to stop him if he thought about going out with other girls, yet there has now been two examples of Sheldon asking girls out and Leonard hasn't stopped him, admittedly he wasn't there the 2nd time but it's another example of the inconsistencies by the writers this season

that was not a serious request Rach, lots of men and women swear off dating after a breakup but they are only venting not being serious you can't blame Leonard as away to absolve sheldon for his actions its simply not fair

Edited October 23, 2015 by JE7

[Amy Fowler]

I simply love it Amy!! I really would like them to say that! Could you tell me, which tool do you use, to make these text message dialogues?

I text my work phone to my personal phone  for some reason when I put it on Whitegram it all shrinks and the text changes   

they're already changing the characters so much that nothing will be the same if they get back together again, Sheldon is being made to think more about his feelings and that's not the Sheldon we know, he was slowly adjusting to life with Amy but now he is being forced to think about things and Amy is already dating, with and without their friends interference

 

It's just painful to watch after last season where they had a lot of good things happen

 

I don't like them forcing him either. Like you said he was coming along nicely last season. 

I just wish we'd find out the reason behind why Sheldon mentioned the Flash so willy nilly.  All the other romantic encounters they've had he's not tried to kill the mood by saying something stupid. There had to be another motive behind it. Maybe that's just my wishful thinking 

Edited October 23, 2015 by Amy Fowler

[JE7]

I text my work phone to my personal phone  for some reason when I put it on Whitegram the text changes   

I don't like them forcing him either. Like you said he was coming along nicely last season. 

I just wish we'd find out the reason behind why Sheldon mentioned the Flash so willy nilly.  All the other romantic encounters they've had he's not tried to kill the mood by saying something stupid. There had to be another motive behind it.

sheldon has no motives he is given dialog by the writer, trying to analyze the deeper meaning of his words is pointless, there is none

[Amy Fowler]

the only thing we can say to defend his OOCness is that no one is really them self after a break up from a relationship that's lasted this long. So the writers have literally ran wild with that notion. I reckon we'll see the same old Sheldon come ep 9 as if nothing happened in 7 & 8. Ok we saw a very snappy Sheldon in the first few episodes but he's like that sometimes anyway. We only really see the OOC Sheldon in spurts for example, it was very OOC having him date someone else but it was very IC by having him set a challenge to see if she's worthy. 

[Chiany]

that was not a serious request Rach, lots of men and women swear off dating after a breakup but they are only venting not being serious you can't blame Leonard as away to absolve sheldon for his actions its simply not fair

Blame is a strong word, but it's clear that Leonard thinks with only one bodypart, and it's not his head...sort of

Edited October 23, 2015 by Chiany

[Amy Fowler]

sheldon has no motives he is given dialog by the writer, trying to analyze the deeper meaning of his words is pointless, there is none

of course Sheldon has motives. That such a silly thing to say. What do you think Jim's there to do? He's not just the face and body of Sheldon, he's the man that brings eveything Sheldon alive, every word, every action, his motives, objectives, what he wants etc.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Amy Fowler

[JE7]

Blame is a strong word, but it's clear that Leonard thinks with only one bodypart, and it's not his head...sort of

[Cherry]

Sheldon doesn't believe in love, romance, girlfriend, etc. He considers himself far too evolved for those kind of things

 

Well, no. He DIDN'T believe in love, romance, girlfriend, etc. He CONSIDERED himself far too evolved for those kind of things.

 

How do I know the past tense is relevant here? Because he was on the verge of proposing her. You don't propose anybody if you still think that you are too evolved for a relationship or if you still don't believe in love.

 

[JE7]

of course Sheldon has motives. That such a silly thing to say. What do you think Jim's there to do? He's not just the face and body of Sheldon, he's the man that brings every word he has to say alive and that means giving him motives 

jim can't give him motives only the writers can Jim can only act what he is given.

This is a sit-com with an 19 minute run time not Shakespeare what they say on screen is literally all thier is no deeper motive or hidden agendas this ahiwblovea one off jokes and throw away lines its shallow not deep

[Chiany]

 

[April]

My reaction to like 80% of the stuff I read here today. You guys really have a talent to pull the most upsetting and far-fetched scenarios out of thin air. I'd make a proper post if I had more time but not today. In the meantime please calm down. You're your own worst enemy right now! Have a hot beverage, practise some kolinahr and have a consoling group hug!

[katzinhatz1]

 

i do think we will get to see her POV soon. I think it will come when amy finds out about the ring like I said earlier. Penny, being the gossip that she is will probably tell amy about it at some point and will have her rethink some of her feelings about Sheldon or even try and get him back. I think it could lead to a role reversal in the breakup. She finally realizes what sheldon really wants but from what I read in episode 8, he may be too angry to accept amy back yet. This would allow us to see Amy's perspective of why she loved him and see her side of being heartbroken or rejected by sheldon. I do think the writers did tell us why she broke up with sheldon clearer than most ppl think (she felt the relationship moved at a turtle's pace, doubt of his real commitment, his selfishness), but what we have failed to see is why she loves/loved him so long. If we see this role reversal that I discussed, maybe we will have some insight as to why she wants him. I think her knowing about the ring will clear up her doubt about his commitment to her (whether she sees the video or hears it from lenny). If she hears it from lenny, they can vouch for how much amy really means to him. I really think they will go down this storyline if they are smart. It will get them moving in the right direction towards getting back together, we will see some insight into Amy's pov, and it will slowly lead to them talking some things out even if it doesn't lead to a reconciliation at first. Like I said, I think the moment that amy finds out about the ring, the tables will be turned on her. Sheldon didn't try to get amy back in Ep 8 after finding out about the date, he instead tried to find someone else (which to me says he is upset at amy and is done trying to win her over for a bit). Amy will be the one trying to get sheldon back after this, I believe. 

 

Blame is a strong word, but it's clear that Leonard thinks with only one bodypart, and it's not his head...sort of

it's with his 2nd head. 

[Amy Fowler]

jim can't give him motives only the writers can Jim can only act what he is given.

This is a sit-com with an 19 minute run time not Shakespeare what they say on screen is literally all thier is no deeper motive or hidden agendas this ahiwblovea one off jokes and throw away lines its shallow not deep

Jim's a classicly trained actor he's not just gonna lie there and say the words cause he doesn't care. He anaylises eveything and anything Sheldon in those scripts he's given cause that's what you as an actor. How do you think he's gotten awards? And a star? Because of the work ethic that man has and the efforts he goes to in order to convincingly play Sheldon. 

The writers don't write motive. Unless it's written by actors who do it naturally but I'm telling you now the writers don't write the motives. They write he beginning, middle and end. It's the actors job to put motive behind it and how they get the end the writers have written, they work out the journey and how their characters gets from A to B in the length of time they have. Yes it's 19 minutes, but that's why the likes of Jim do the work they do becuse they don't have a 3 hour play to watch their motivations and objectives play out.   

Look at that stairwell scene with Amy and Sheldon. Even Mayim said it herself. Jim and herself put hours of backstory that we, the audience, don't see to help give depth to Shamy. Pretty sure even Kaley and Johnny do some of that. I'm telling you that stairwell scene wouldn't have been as powerful as it was if they hadn't put all that work in because without it Mayim wouldn't have been so effected and we wouldn't have got that reaction from Mayim.

Everything you need to know in Shakespeare is written on the page for you but you still have to work out motive and objections too so enough with Shakepeare  

that totally didn't mean to turn into a rant but I'm very passionate about actors and their work  

Edited October 23, 2015 by Amy Fowler