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I can't wait to see Sheldon and Amy interact now that he's had at least 24 hours to mull over what went wrong. It will be awkward for sure but I'm excited to see Sheldon longing for Amy and chasing her this season. I was proud of Sheldon when he chose to calmly agree to let Amy have her space but now that I hear that he wants to speed things up I can't wait to see the crazy shenanigans and sweet moments we will get to see.

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I also feel like Amy needs to know what she really wants and accept Sheldon for who he is. 

I really hate it in fanfics when Sheldon turns into an emotional, hippy-dippy sap/horn dog who makes love to Amy every chapter. It's okay since its just fanfiction but if it were canon, I'd be seriously irked.

I don't agree with you completely. I think that Amy knows what she wants, and the fact is that she hasn't gotten it from Sheldon yet. The reason she told him she needs time to think, IMO, is because what she has to figure out is if she's willing to accept that or not. While she must accept who Sheldon is I really think it's him the one who has to do a lot of emotional growing up, not to please Amy but because if there isn't some kind of emotional maturity, a relationship is impossible. Furthermore I believe it is possible for Sheldon to grow without stopping being who he is. Heck, he has changed a lot already, hasn't he?

The reason why I think Amy hasn't left (and will not leave) is because regardless of the fact that she might not be getting what she wants or needs, she can't help love Sheldon. It's that simple, IMO.

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I don't agree with you completely. I think that Amy knows what she wants, and the fact is that she hasn't gotten it from Sheldon yet. The reason she told him she needs time to think, IMO, is because what she has to figure out is if she's willing to accept that or not. While she must accept who Sheldon is I really think it's him the one who has to do a lot of emotional growing up, not to please Amy but because if there isn't some kind of emotional maturity, a relationship is impossible. Furthermore I believe it is possible for Sheldon to grow without stopping being who he is. Heck, he has changed a lot already, hasn't he?

The reason why I think Amy hasn't left (and will not leave) is because regardless of the fact that she might not be getting what she wants or needs, she can't help love Sheldon. It's that simple, IMO.

Just curious why does Amy love Sheldon lol. I mean hes her first boyfriend. What does Sheldon give her no other guy cant, is what im wondering. Shes persistent that Sheldon.well meet her half way, heck at this point she should be clamoring for quarter way ha. 

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So it's 6.14 am in Scotland right now and I'm sitting having my morning cup of tea , thinking that this time tomorrow I'll be online reading about the premire of season 9 .....I'm so excited !!!!!.......and a little bit nervous , but since reading the spoilers and some opinions on here defiantly more excited :) 

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Molaro has made it quite clear Sheldon is not the only one who's wrong here and Mayim herself has said she's not sure what Amy wants either. I think to ignore the fact that a lot of the stuff Amy wants is overly superficial romantic nonsense that was never what their relationship is really about, or to put it all on Sheldon. is a very simplistic look at their relationship and Amy as a character. She might come across as more "normal" than Sheldon because she's more open minded and malleable but they're fundamentally cut out of the same cloth. There are definitely things she genuinely wants, and rightly so. The question is what those things are and how much of the rest is her having unrealistic expectations based on how she thinks a relationship should be but in reality is stuff that doesn't matter to who they are as a couple. There must be reasons why she "loves Sheldon" and I think part of the break is for her to rediscover those reasons. I think she's been so buys cajoling Sheldon in the direction she wanted him to go that she's lost sight of why she's with him in the first place. Again, I'm in no way saying that Sheldon has no growing up to do, he does, he has done and he will do. Like everyone else. But in any fight there is rarely one side that's totally right and one side that's totally wrong and, again, Molaro has repeatedly said they both have a leg to stand on, here, so there has got to be more to this time off than Amy simply waiting around for Sheldon to change or deciding what she can or cannot compromise on. That would me mind-numbingly uninteresting to me and the topic of one hundred fanfics. I hope they can so better than that.

Koops, your posts are seriously the best.

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Just curious why does Amy love Sheldon lol. I mean hes her first boyfriend. What does Sheldon give her no other guy cant, is what im wondering. Shes persistent that Sheldon.well meet her half way, heck at this point she should be clamoring for quarter way ha. 

Why does anyone loves anyone?

She obviously likes who he is, where he stands in life etc.
And I believe she doesn't only see Sheldon for who he is, but for who he can be.

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I don't agree with you completely. I think that Amy knows what she wants, and the fact is that she hasn't gotten it from Sheldon yet. The reason she told him she needs time to think, IMO, is because what she has to figure out is if she's willing to accept that or not. While she must accept who Sheldon is I really think it's him the one who has to do a lot of emotional growing up, not to please Amy but because if there isn't some kind of emotional maturity, a relationship is impossible. Furthermore I believe it is possible for Sheldon to grow without stopping being who he is. Heck, he has changed a lot already, hasn't he?

The reason why I think Amy hasn't left (and will not leave) is because regardless of the fact that she might not be getting what she wants or needs, she can't help love Sheldon. It's that simple, IMO.

koops has already responded very insightfully to the bolded bit, but just a little detail: does Amy know what she wants? It would be hard, given the whiplash-inducing turns and retcons the writers give her- not just in the shudder-inducing S6 and most of S7, but also in S8- within the same episode, even. In 8.3 (the one where Lenny and Shamy double-date) Amy says that the relationship agreement is 'more than hot. It's binding'. Later, when Leonard responds to Penny's fears with a speech about wanting to face those fears hand in hand with her, Amy sighs that she would love it if Sheldon said something like that to her.' In 'The Intimacy Acceleration', however, when Leonard says that his ideal dinner companion (I think?) would be Penny (which is no more or less of a traditionally romantic thing to say), Amy asks for a bucket/barf-bag/something indicating nausea.

Now, all of this can be rationalised and explained, but it does point to the fact that Amy doesn't always know what she wants. And why should she? Her relationship with Sheldon has brought, not only her first romantic relationship, but also seemingly her first friendships, to her. As far as we can tell, she is even less socialised than Sheldon. We can forget that, because she is so venturesome and open to new experiences, but she is likely even more of a novice with this whole 'Other People' gig than is Sheldon. And it frequently shows.

Now I agree that Sheldon has some maturing to do (as does Amy). Primarily, I think that Amy would like to not always be driving the relationship. She'd like to know that she is an important factor in Sheldon's major decisions and plans.That's why 'The Mars Colonisation' fight made such sense, and also what I liked about Amy's reaction. She had a valid grievance, she stated it clearly and immediately, Sheldon saw that he had messed up (and really, Sheldon, what the hell, dude. You'll talk to your girlfriend about buying a comic book store but not about applying to move to another planet? Come on, writers) and made amends. 

And if Amy were to go to Sheldon and say 'These things are important to me, but I know you can't provide them, and I am sacrificing them to be with you', I would hope that Sheldon would have the strength to say, with love and sincerity, 'Then please find them with someone else.' I would hate it if Sheldon and Amy were trapped in a morass of unasked-for debts, obligations and resentments, without having the strength to walk away. I would hate to see either Sheldon, Amy, or both, sacrifice their humanity to remain within a relationship. What a poisonous message to send. Amy deserves to have what she wants and values, and Sheldon deserves to be with someone who values what he has to offer.

 

 

 

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And if Amy were to go to Sheldon and say 'These things are important to me, but I know you can't provide them, and I am sacrificing them to be with you', I would hope that Sheldon would have the strength to say, with love and sincerity, 'Then please find them with someone else.' I would hate it if Sheldon and Amy were trapped in a morass of unasked-for debts, obligations and resentments, without having the strength to walk away. I would hate to see either Sheldon, Amy, or both, sacrifice their humanity to remain within a relationship. What a poisonous message to send. Amy deserves to have what she wants and values, and Sheldon deserves to be with someone who values what he has to offer.

Amen to the entire post, but this is something that's interesting to expand on to me, mostly because that's where I go back to looking at this as a piece of writing, rather than at Amy and Sheldon as if they were real people. Because I agree with what you're saying, but this is not a real relationship and their desires, motivations and priorities are decided by the writers for a reason. What Amy wants or prioritizes is decided at a table and there's still ways to make her evolution compatible with her relationship with Sheldon, but they are skating on thin ice here. Which is why I always think "Watch out what you're implying, here, writers!" when they skate the line between a believable relationship and one where, indeed it seems as if Sheldon and Amy are stuck with each other despite being unable to see eye-to-eye on anything. That was the huge issue I had in S6 and 7 with them, and an issue I thought we had more than overcome in S8, with great relief as far as I was concerned, only to then bring it back suddenly in the finale. I get why the writers create conflict: it makes for drama and it makes for jokes. At the same time, you push the drama too far and it all falls apart and you start rooting for them to break up and find someone else, rather than for them to make it through. Right now, having seen the leaps and bounds Sheldon has made this season, I am utterly appalled at the idea of Amy contemplating another love interest, but back in S6 and 7, where it really wasn't clear what the heck it was that he wanted, I did almost get to the point where I wished they had just let Amy go and find someone else. But to never look back, not to come back to him some time down the line like it's obviously in the plans here. Because that's the bottom line to me: I think these two are either exclusive or they're not meant to be. 

Fundamentally, that's my main issue that I wish I could remind the writers of: you obviously want this couple to work and you want people to root for them to be together, so be careful with how far apart you put them on the spectrum of desires when it comes to a relationship. You obviously don't want to compromise Sheldon's characterization and turn him into average Joe, but then you cannot turn Amy into average Jane either and expect this to work. Especially not when the whole point of their relationship was that Amy was NOT average Jane to start with. To change her too much just to create easy sitcom girlfriend trope jokes is asking for trouble. The appeal of the two of them as a couple was on how they stuck out like a sore thumb in the sea of "normalcy" around them, not in how they clashed and pushed and pulled each other in different directions. I am comforted by Molaro's "With the two of them, all rules go out of the window" quote now. So happy to hear him say that. That's why I'm hoping that the break has two main aims: show Sheldon proactively pushing for the relationship to resume and progress, now that Amy has taken a step back, and reset Amy to a girlfriend who is more suitable for Sheldon as a character (and viceversa, one to whom Sheldon is a suitable boyfriend) than how she's been written in S6 and 7 in particular. Frankly, I thought S8 had pretty much done all of that already without making it too obvious, but if they have to really make it THAT obvious, then so be it. I'm on board as long as that's what it's all about.

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Amen to the entire post, but this is something that's interesting to expand on to me, mostly because that's where I go back to looking at this as a piece of writing, rather than at Amy and Sheldon as if they were real people. Because I agree with what you're saying, but this is not a real relationship and their desires, motivations and priorities are decided by the writers for a reason. What Amy wants or prioritizes is decided at a table and there's still ways to make her evolution compatible with her relationship with Sheldon, but they are skating on thin ice here. Which is why I always think "Watch out what you're implying, here, writers!" when they skate the line between a believable relationship and one where, indeed it seems as if Sheldon and Amy are stuck with each other despite being unable to see eye-to-eye on anything. That was the huge issue I had in S6 and 7 with them, and an issue I thought we had more than overcome in S8, with great relief as far as I was concerned, only to then bring it back suddenly in the finale. I get why the writers create conflict: it makes for drama and it makes for jokes. At the same time, you push the drama too far and it all falls apart and you start rooting for them to break up and find someone else, rather than for them to make it through. Right now, having seen the leaps and bounds Sheldon has made this season, I am utterly appalled at the idea of Amy contemplating another love interest, but back in S6 and 7, where it really wasn't clear what the heck it was that he wanted, I did almost get to the point where I wished they had just let Amy go and find someone else. But to never look back, not to come back to him some time down the line like it's obviously in the plans here. Because that's the bottom line to me: I think these two are either exclusive or they're not meant to be. 

(Insert usual ecstasies of agreement here)

Re: the bolded part: it's actually as a piece of writing that I dislike it when two characters seem to be miserably together. During S6 and S7 (and in the S7 thread I may actually have said this at some point) I began wondering whether the writers were smacking down the Shamy 'shippers: whether the bleak state of the Shamy was meant to say 'This is what happens when you take a friendship of equals and twist it into this festival of Oblivious Manchild and Put-Upon Sitcom Wife.' Whether, in short, I was meant to root for the two of them to break up. And I don't think I was, so I think my objection was really an aesthetic one. I can huff about 'poisonous messages' all I like, but I'm probably actually reacting to the message being put across badly or clumsily!

 

 

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Its a struggle though for any common ground. Its very passive agressive. Watching this character wait and wait, but Sheldon just wont budge. Well he ever be capable to give her what she needs physically. Im not sure, all i kno is i hope theirs resolution soon as its wearing thin. Does Sheldon love Amy? Logically yes, but based on actions he has a funny way of showing it jmo. 

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Its a struggle though for any common ground. Its very passive agressive. Watching this character wait and wait, but Sheldon just wont budge. Well he ever be capable to give her what she needs physically. Im not sure, all i kno is i hope theirs resolution soon as its wearing thin. Does Sheldon love Amy? Logically yes, but based on actions he has a funny way of showing it jmo. 

No s*** he has a funny way of showing it! That's the whole point of their relationship and why it stood out from the rest: because they have a funny way of doing things! There is no right or wrong way to show feelings, all it takes is finding the kind of people that "speak your language". Amy has been shown to speak Sheldonese a lot throughout the past five years. The problem is in those moments where they make Amy too normal for him and Sheldon too self-absorbed to care just to amplify the drama or the joke. Amy's needs are dictated by the writers, and whether she gets ecstatic over the RA, the Cooper Coupons, his quirks who just make her love him more, the 8.2 on a test that "takes the romance out of the relationship" and all his weird ways of expressing his affection for her, or sulks over not getting gestures of conventional romance is what makes the relationship come across as satisfying and happy or passive aggressive and a struggle, respectively. I think there was almost no trace of this in S8 though, they were both amazingly in-sync for 95% of the season, save for a line here or there. Not to mention that Sheldon has budged PLENTY this year, and if the writers move the goal posts as soon as takes a step forward to make him look like he's still a step back, then it's kind of cheating, isn't it? Seriously, if I knew how to make gifs I would make a gifset of all the innumerable times Amy was shown to be over the moon this season, and how many times they've been so happy together, and then you can tell me how much of a struggle this relationship really is, because I don't see it any more of a struggle than any of the others'. It's not all about whether they're having sex or not.

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Seriously? Sheldon has more than budged for Amy. And you say Sheldon has a funny way of showing he loves Amy... I think overall season 8 proved he loves her Only for her: -only her would he be so venerable to admit he didn't want to fail for her -only her would he consult with on a future risky financial decision -only her would he consider getting a pet with and treat as a child -only her would he go along with a sleepover and canx his routine -only her would he buy a gift intended to make her feel small and worthless when really we all knew he knew she would love it -only her was he ultimately willing to go along with all the hijinxs associated with a prom And thats just season 8... Which are all acts of love Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Seriously? Sheldon has more than budged for Amy. And you say Sheldon has a funny way of showing he loves Amy... I think overall season 8 proved he loves her Only for her: -only her would he be so venerable to admit he didn't want to fail for her -only her would he consult with on a future risky financial decision -only her would he consider getting a pet with and treat as a child -only her would he go along with a sleepover and canx his routine -only her would he buy a gift intended to make her feel small and worthless when really we all knew he knew she would love it -only her was he ultimately willing to go along with all the hijinxs associated with a prom And thats just season 8... Which are all acts of love Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

^ this post almost made me cry. i wish i could like it more than once.

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You know, what has been said to be a "funny way" to show love is just the reason why I'm so much into the Shamy.  Even if being "different" (whatever that would mean) is still difficult and makes a person essentially lonely, "different" people can live a full and satisfactory life and have a full and satisfactory love life too...The trick is finding someone that understands you and that speaks your own language. And, Amy and Sheldon spoke the same language most of the time and, when they are not on the same page, they figure out how to solve the problem immediately (but in the finale..) in their strange, awkward, unique way. That's why I like how the writers handle this relationship and I hope it will be not "normalized" by any means. Sheldon showing his feelings in the "usual" way will be not him anymore and to me not appealing at all.The message would be: if you want to have a happy life, try to be less "different"...Not a good message! I know that not anybody gets this side of their relationship and that's ok. I guess the writers were so careful in creating three couples in the show, with so different features from each other that every viewer (if he\she is interested in shipping a couple, of course) can choose the one he/she likes most...

 

By the way...few hours to the taping!!! Can't wait for it!!

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You know, what has been said to be a "funny way" to show love is just the reason why I'm so much into the Shamy.  Even if being "different" (whatever that would mean) is still difficult and makes a person essentially lonely, "different" people can live a full and satisfactory life and have a full and satisfactory love life too...The trick is finding someone that understands you and that speaks your own language. And, Amy and Sheldon spoke the same language most of the time and, when they are not on the same page, they figure out how to solve the problem immediately (but in the finale..) in their strange, awkward, unique way. That's why I like how the writers handle this relationship and I hope it will be not "normalized" by any means. Sheldon showing his feelings in the "usual" way will be not him anymore and to me not appealing at all.The message would be: if you want to have a happy life, try to be less "different"...Not a good message! I know that not anybody gets this side of their relationship and that's ok. I guess the writers were so careful in creating three couples in the show, with so different features from each other that every viewer (if he\she is interested in shipping a couple, of course) can choose the one he/she likes most...

Yes, yes and yes again :) 

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Amen to that! (and I'm not even religious hehe)

Shamenny needs to happen next season! They haven't had a proper story together since the Shiny Trinket Maneover (another one of my all-time faves)! 

And on the Shamy front I can definitively see Penny trying to help Sheldon and/or Amy overcome their problems. They are her OTP and I can't imagine how she could bear to see them apart for too long.

Although this one wasn't a sweet and cute interaction per se, I actually LOVED Comic Book Store this year! Shamy experimenting on Penny was just hysterical. 

"She didn't give me any puzzles."

"Are you sure?"

"Son of a bitch!!!" 

*applauds* 

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