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I would expect that. But I dunno what to expect for next week. TBBT has never been keen on continuing where they left off and I think thats part of the reason its so popular. You can watch one ep, miss the one of the following week and not worry about missing something. 

If somebody had missed 8.24 and will miss 9.1 too, I doubt he/she will recognize the show any more!!!

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Hi guys! Long time stalker, first time posting! 

Firstly, I'd just like to say that my trust in the writers, specifically Molaro, has reached rock bottom. They have taken what was a unique, special and beautiful relationship, and have decided to go down the usual formulaic, tv sitcom plot. SHAMY ARE NOT LIKE EVERY OTHER TV SHOW COUPLE! But, I'll keep this short and sweet as we can't change it, and I know Shamy are end game.

So, with that in mind, I thought I'd share what I'd quite like to see. For me, I would love the reconciliation to be based around the university. Sheldon gets into an accident, (maybe a bit like Bernie's quarantine?) and they have to call his emergency contact. Amy is obviously called, and this reminds her how much Sheldon means to her, and how much she means to him, for he gave her the present of being his emergency contact so long ago. 

I don't know if this would be everyone's cup of tea, but I'd love to see them use something like the emergency contact, to remind Amy that Sheldon loves her. 

Thanks guys! Roll on S9, around my fave people: Shamy lovers!

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Bravo ShamyShipper.  Everything I wish I could word better done perfectly!  Glad you enjoyed the taping and thanks for your perspective.

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How about we try this new thing where we don't tell people how to feel, tho. It's all well for y'all if you liked what you saw, but, yeah, I still don't feel better reading this post (I actually kinda feel worse at the suggestion that the two cheaters should explain to a faithful Sheldon how he is a bad boyfriend lmao)

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I have no words to express how wonderful and eloquent your entire post was, ShamyShipper. To hear this from someone who was at the taping really brings hope and positivity to me :)

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How about we try this new thing where we don't tell people how to feel, tho. It's all well for y'all if you liked what you saw, but, yeah, I still don't feel better reading this post (I actually kinda feel worse at the suggestion that the two cheaters should explain to a faithful Sheldon how he is a bad boyfriend lmao)

Two cheaters? I don't get it who's the other oone besides Leonard?

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Hi guys! Long time stalker, first time posting! 

Firstly, I'd just like to say that my trust in the writers, specifically Molaro, has reached rock bottom. They have taken what was a unique, special and beautiful relationship, and have decided to go down the usual formulaic, tv sitcom plot. SHAMY ARE NOT LIKE EVERY OTHER TV SHOW COUPLE! But, I'll keep this short and sweet as we can't change it, and I know Shamy are end game.

So, with that in mind, I thought I'd share what I'd quite like to see. For me, I would love the reconciliation to be based around the university. Sheldon gets into an accident, (maybe a bit like Bernie's quarantine?) and they have to call his emergency contact. Amy is obviously called, and this reminds her how much Sheldon means to her, and how much she means to him, for he gave her the present of being his emergency contact so long ago. 

I don't know if this would be everyone's cup of tea, but I'd love to see them use something like the emergency contact, to remind Amy that Sheldon loves her. 

Thanks guys! Roll on S9, around my fave people: Shamy lovers!

Yeah I think it is going to take something traumatic like one of them having an accident to make them both realise what they have.

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you are our saver ShamyShipper ! Thank you for your every letter, your thoughts are precious for us ❤️ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Ok, I have a question though. Do you think the moral of the Shamy story, since the beginning, is exclusively for Sheldon to "grow"? Is there absolutely nothing Sheldon is right about and that Amy has to learn from Sheldon? Does Amy have any path at all in this story other than waiting for Sheldon to "grow/step up/learn his lesson"? 

I don't think the show has ever really dwelled on Amy's "path" in this. I was hoping this would be it but now, given that they made it to be more about Sheldon being a bit of a jackass again, I'm not sure. It's something I've always wanted explored and that I'm not sure I'll ever get to see, but I think it would be refreshing to see occasionally a message in their story that certain aspects of conventional romance that Amy craves are not really all that cracked up to be and that there isn't one type of relationship that everyone should strive to align themselves to.

And how Amy will learn that conventional romance ain't all it's cracked up to be is by dating other men. I'm not saying I like this idea; I'm just saying I can see the writers going there now. 

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And how Amy will learn that conventional romance ain't all it's cracked up to be is by dating other men. I'm not saying I like this idea; I'm just saying I can see the writers going there now. 

I pray the writers don't go that way but I have always wanted more on Amy's backstory and her moments of weakness (I still look back to Raiders when she was clearly wrong, JMO).  I don't think anybody thinks Amy is a saint and could do know wrong.  And I for one hope that this break really makes Amy appreciate what she had and how much he did move & grow already for her.  So while that's occurring, if he does something selfless for her then I'm golden. 

 

I will add that the show has to me always had 3 central plots.

1. Lenny relationship

2. Leonard/Sheldon bromance

3. Guys growing up (aka learning to find their way in mainstream society)

 

Now since clearly the Sheldon character developed it a main focus (and rightfully so) his growth is a big focus.  So yes, I do think overall Sheldon's growth through the character development of Amy was intentional. 

adding that script cover of episode 2 is Steve Molaro, Steve Holland & Tara.  I know, I know, doesn't mean anything...but hopefully good things for Shamy!!

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Okay, I'm going to start out by letting you all know that I have read NO comments here from last night's taping, and I probably won't, because I need to not dwell on negative thoughts at the moment.  I probably will also not be reading the comments to this post I'm making for the same reason.  But after hearing that there's a lot of upset, I wanted to give you a perspective from someone who was at the taping.  I do hope it will help a bit, and maybe start some more positive conversation (because all of us could use a bit of that right now).  Also, I apologize in advance for the novel.

This was the most intense and depressing episode of BBT I have ever seen (for obvious reasons) and it went beyond what I was imagining, particularly with Lenny (who I really felt was left in a worse place than Shamy last night, to be honest).  As for Shamy, it was both better and worse than I was imagining at the same time.  What I loved was that Sheldon went after her right away.  It was clear that this meant something to him.  He wanted her back immediately.  Heck, he even chased her down to the Wolowitz's house.  Those moments were sweet and funny, and they showed that she matters so much to him.  That gave me hope.  Then, yes, after she broke it off completely, he was angry and upset.  This to me, is totally Sheldon.  He's confused and hurting and he's lashing out and trying to figure out how to deal with this.  He's never been in this situation before, remember.  I believe he's going through the stages of grief, the first and foremost being denial.  Then he moved on to anger once he understood that she was calling things off with him.  I'm hoping for some real bargaining and depression next--not because I want to see him hurting, but because it will show that he is NOT giving up on her. 

I've heard that there are people who think that way--that Sheldon will just give up on Amy now and will just never go after her.  I don't think that could be further from the truth.  It hurts right now as fans, and it's easy to get caught up in that hurt and our own emotions and reactions to it immediately and feel that things are hopeless.  But it was clear to me how much this is affecting him.  Amy finally standing up for herself when he puts her down/insults her was something that NEEDED to happen.  That was why she told him she's breaking up with him, and I'm glad she took a stand.  I'm not happy they're broken up; it hurts my heart.  But just think about the reunion they will have later!  Also, right after that when they were consoling her in the kitchen, she said that she hopes she did the right thing.  She's doubting her choice.  She clearly still loves him.  And when Stuart tried to put the moves on her, she looked at him like "WTF!?!?" and made a comment about it being inappropriate.  She's not over Sheldon, and I truly believe he's not over her. 

Let's look at this logically too.  Season 8 was all about Sheldon growing more and them hitting so many milestones.  Why would they do all of that and set it all up that way (even establishing that he loves her and has a RING) just to destroy the ship?  I really think this season's beginning is about him learning some hard lessons that still need to be learned, and this was the way they thought it would be believable for someone like Sheldon.  All that drama could have been a way for them to get us to go through this with him as well and to feel the hurt he's feeling.  He loves her, he wants to spend the rest of his life with her, and then he's hit with this, and it's going to make him have to evaluate some things about himself and his relationship.  He doesn't know how to cope right now (he was never expecting this, and that fact is also a part of him taking her for granted that he needs to wake up to) and will be going through some hard emotions until he comes to the realization that he screwed up.  This is another step in his growth toward being a man, and being the right man to marry her.

I know some people think that it's Amy who is being unfair/unreasonable after all the growth Sheldon has made, and people will argue that she knew what she was getting herself into, etc.  But Amy has also grown as a person since they first got together, and she has needs of her own.  She needs to be with someone who respects her and puts her first, and I don't think that's unreasonable at all.  I want to remind you too to look back at previous seasons.  Most of us hated when Sheldon would make snide comments to Amy and she would just let them roll off her back.  We wanted her to grow a backbone and for Sheldon to be nicer.  Would any of us put up with some of the things Sheldon does in real life?  Or would we put up with feeling like we're not an equal or not held in as high regard as we should be, or if we were insulted frequently?  He's gotten better about those things, but they still happen.  And combined with her need for intimacy that from her perspective is still not returned, I can't blame her for needing to evaluate things.  His insult was just the last straw.  But even still, she's doubting that decision because she loves him. Would any of us put up with some of the things Sheldon does in real life?  Or would we put up with feeling like we're not an equal or not held in as high regard as we should be, or if we were insulted frequently?  He's gotten better about those things, but they still happen.  And combined with her need for intimacy that from her perspective is still not returned, I can't blame her for needing to evaluate things.  His insult was just the last straw.  But even still, she's doubting that decision because she loves him.  I think with her spelling it out for him that he's selfish and rude, it will get him thinking.  And I think with Penny basically telling him he was a bad boyfriend to Amy, that will get him thinking too.  But he needed a wake up call.  It's a painful one--for all of us--but it did need to happen.  Sheldon has such tunnel vision much of the time, and this will broaden his field of vision so he can be aware of how he's treating her/affecting her in the future. Hopefully they won't drag all of this out overly long, and I can totally see that when they do get back together (and they will!) it's going to be so explosive.

As for the intimacy issue--yes, she knew what she was getting into back then, but that doesn't mean that her need/desire for that should be discarded.  "Oh well, she's with Sheldon, so she'll just have to deal with being celibate her whole life".  I don't agree with that sentiment.  They've grown together so much and they've both evolved, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with her wanting that with him.  If she was trying to force him into it, that would be another story, but she has never done that.  I think after five years with someone where that seemed to be going nowhere, any of us would be evaluating our options.  The intimacy and the taking her for granted at times are really their final hurdles, and because of that, I believe that Sheldon will be missing her and he will start realizing how much he really does desire her--in EVERY way.  They had to do this in a way that would truly wake him up to all of this, and while it's harsh, it will be exactly what he needs in the end.

As for the ring information we didn't get, I'm sure this has already been said, but I'll say it myself as well:  I have a feeling we might find out about that next episode since they often do a two-part premiere.  I also think the boys will be talking and the girls will be talking, and maybe the guys can help Sheldon start to see where he went wrong.  I really believe he's soon going to hit those next steps in the grieving process and try to bargain to get her back and also get depressed without her.  This isn't over. 

The writers know what gold they have with Shamy.  CBS promotes them like nothing else.  Things seem dire now, but they'll get better.  Even after all the drama from last night, we need to remember that this is a comedy show.  I seriously doubt the writers will leave it this dramatic/depressing for long, and with their two main couples in such peril.  I guess that would be my main worry at this point--that they'll keep things too dramatic for a sitcom for too long and the show will lose some of its magic.  For now though, I'm going to have faith in the writers because they have a plan, and I really can't see things staying in this dramatic state for long.  Things have to get better from here.

This show has been so much about Sheldon's journey and growth.  If it would have been HIM breaking up with HER, I think the situation would be more dire, because then he would have just decided he was done and that would be that.  With it being Amy doing the breaking up (and that decision clearly affecting them both) it will give him the opportunity to grow from the experience and make things right.  He wouldn't be upset and angry if it meant nothing to him.  If he was going to give up, he'd be shrugging like "Well, I guess that's over then." 

The writers even said in that TV Guide article that Amy will make her way back to him and that Sheldon will learn how to make this work. I know it's hard right now, and you're all perfectly capable of making your own decisions about how to feel and whether to continue to watch the show, but I would suggest that you at least wait to see what will play out in the next few episodes.  They'll have filmed the first few before the premiere even airs.  Hopefully we'll know more by then and can go into the season a bit calmer, because we'll know that things are moving in the right direction.

Thank you, I needed this so much :)

Already I feel so much better !

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Couldn't agree more, ShamyShipper. Thank you for your perspective!

And I truly think that this development is necessary to show Sheldon that even a person that loves you very much won't put up with everything you do. He has to treat her with respect. Many people are complaining that Sheldon will have to change completely, well I think he already has changed a lot, more than he himself realizes or wants to realize. As we all know he is afraid of change (as everybody is, just look at us right now :-)), but he needs to acknowledge he has changed and he has to admit to himself and to her that he actually likes the new life he had with Amy. That won't be easy for Doctor Cooper, he is a very proud man after all. ;-)

Don't get me wrong, I know he has done a lot for this relationship, for Amy, but he is still afraid of this change in his life, of loving someone and thus being no longer independent. But he has already come very far and so has Amy. This will only lead to them being more honest with each other and being so much closer in the end. 

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And how Amy will learn that conventional romance ain't all it's cracked up to be is by dating other men. I'm not saying I like this idea; I'm just saying I can see the writers going there now. 

Yeah, that's a possible scenario. The problem is that Amy doesn't exist in a vacuum. Sheldon is not a toy to be put on a shelf for later use, and he's obviously already deeply wounded as it is without having the awareness that he's second fiddle to a bunch of guys that didn't quite do it for Amy. And, frankly, it would be a pretty bad message to have her "browse around" for something better before going back to Sheldon. I think the only way I would be able to digest Amy dating another man is if she's reluctantly set up by someone  else and the episode serves indeed as a clear journey of realization for her of how much she hates all this stuff if it's not Sheldon doing them, or even acts like Sheldon himself while on her date. 

The other option could be for Sheldon himself to pull out all the stops from the book of the Perfect Boyfriend and Amy finding out she hates it.

 

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koops, as ever, a head-dislocatingly vigorous nod from me. 

I have been banging on for a long time about how offended I am, on Amy's behalf, that she is never called on her nonsense, or given her own learning and growth arcs. Paradoxically, it proves to me that the writers are only interested in Sheldon's journey, and Amy's around primarily as a catalyst for his growth- a mirror, a prod, a trophy even (ugh).

 

'This is Amy's time!' I thought, when the S9 premiere came around. 'Now Mayim Bialik gets to show off Amy's flaws, her strengths, her learning and growth, instead of perennially waiting for her man to grow up!'

But nope. the writers don't seem interested in charting Amy's growth at all. Once again, it's about Sheldon lashing out, Sheldon misbehaving, Sheldon being shaken by the people he trusts, Sheldon learning, Sheldon growing, Sheldon Sheldon Sheldon. And look, I love Sheldon and I love Jim Parsons, but it's depressing to me that the writers have such a limited 'Manchild and Babysitter/Trophy' view of human relationships.

It's even worse now that I think that the writers have such a depressingly hackneyed, pedestrian notion of 'growth' for Sheldon. Was the prize always for Sheldon and Amy to embrace romance as understood by the mainstream? Look, I'm not slagging off romance, but there's something disturbing about the show saying 'This is what growth means. This is the mould, Sheldon Cooper and Amy Farrah Fowler. Chop off the bits of yourselves that don't fit.'

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I just hope this won't last beyond 2 episodes so that we can get back to having lighthearted episodes. Of course I'm not expecting Shamy to reconcile that fast but they don't have to deal with their relationship every episode.

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I feel that this premier may be a 2 parter.. They didn't refer to the last scene as a Tag. The story line for Lenny on Shamy are very much open and nothing seemed wrapped up...

 

This is interesting...maybe really there is a hidden scene about the ring...

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Okay, so I lied, and I did read a few comments. 

How about we try this new thing where we don't tell people how to feel, tho. It's all well for y'all if you liked what you saw, but, yeah, I still don't feel better reading this post (I actually kinda feel worse at the suggestion that the two cheaters should explain to a faithful Sheldon how he is a bad boyfriend lmao)

I'm not sure if that first part was directed at me or not, but just in case it was, I want to point out that I did exactly the opposite of telling anyone how to feel.  This is what I stated:  "I know it's hard right now, and you're all perfectly capable of making your own decisions about how to feel and whether to continue to watch the show"  I simply suggested we maybe try to give it a chance since we don't know exactly where it's all going yet.

Also, I'm really confused about this two "cheaters" thing.  Amy has NEVER cheated on Sheldon.

Ok, I have a question though. Do you think the moral of the Shamy story, since the beginning, is exclusively for Sheldon to "grow"? Is there absolutely nothing Sheldon is right about and that Amy has to learn from Sheldon? Does Amy have any path at all in this story other than waiting for Sheldon to "grow/step up/learn his lesson"? 

I don't think the show has ever really dwelled on Amy's "path" in this. I was hoping this would be it but now, given that they made it to be more about Sheldon being a bit of a jackass again, I'm not sure. It's something I've always wanted explored and that I'm not sure I'll ever get to see, but I think it would be refreshing to see occasionally a message in their story that certain aspects of conventional romance that Amy craves are not really all that cracked up to be and that there isn't one type of relationship that everyone should strive to align themselves to.

I do think a big part of the Shamy relationship has been for Sheldon to grow and to learn to love someone, etc.  He IS kind of the central character, and at first Amy was created to be his romantic interest.  Having said that, the fact that they're starting to show Amy stand up for herself also seems to imply (at least in my opinion) that we ARE getting a bit of Amy growth in all of this.  I think this break will be about them both coming to decisions about each other and growing together as a couple.  In my own opinion, I do think that Amy will come to see that for better or worse, she wants Sheldon, even if she doesn't get all those conventional things.  But I also think that there has to be give and take on his side as well.  I believe they'll both learn how to compromise properly like any other couple.

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Ok, I have a question though. Do you think the moral of the Shamy story, since the beginning, is exclusively for Sheldon to "grow"? Is there absolutely nothing Sheldon is right about and that Amy has to learn from Sheldon? Does Amy have any path at all in this story other than waiting for Sheldon to "grow/step up/learn his lesson"? 

I don't think the show has ever really dwelled on Amy's "path" in this. I was hoping this would be it but now, given that they made it to be more about Sheldon being a bit of a jackass again, I'm not sure. It's something I've always wanted explored and that I'm not sure I'll ever get to see, but I think it would be refreshing to see occasionally a message in their story that certain aspects of conventional romance that Amy craves are not really all that cracked up to be and that there isn't one type of relationship that everyone should strive to align themselves to.

THIS! I would like to add that there seems to be a double standard that I don't quite get. Amy is portrayed as a person who is lacking in self-esteem because of the way she has always been treated by others and desperately needs to develop a sense of self-worth. This is a point the writers are correct on. Why then are these same qualities (pride, self-love, ambition etc) always portrayed as character flaws in Sheldon? 

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THIS! I would like to add that there seems to be a double standard that I don't quite get. Amy is portrayed as a person who is lacking in self-esteem because of the way she has always been treated by others and desperately needs to develop a sense of self-worth. This is a point the writers are correct on. Why then are these same qualities (pride, self-love, ambition etc) always portrayed as character flaws in Sheldon? 

Actually, I disagree with this. I don't think Amy lacks self esteem at all. Being insecure about Sheldon's feelings for her, or, say, wanting friends and never having them doesn't mean that she thinks she is not worth it. I don't think the two necessarily go together. I don't recall her ever really expressing a lack of self-esteem on the show (other than one line in Santa Simulation), but quite often the complete opposite. 

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THIS! I would like to add that there seems to be a double standard that I don't quite get. Amy is portrayed as a person who is lacking in self-esteem because of the way she has always been treated by others and desperately needs to develop a sense of self-worth. This is a point the writers are correct on. Why then are these same qualities (pride, self-love, ambition etc) always portrayed as character flaws in Sheldon? 

Well id say its because Sheldon has an overabundance of those qualities. Too much pride leads to arrogance and too much self-love leads to narcissism. It'd be nice if he humbled a bit.

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