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A new girl for Sheldon and the possibility of Amy get a car accidentQuestion 1: Is this really necessary?
Question 2: Is this REALLY necessary?
Question 3: COME ON, REALLY?
Question 4: Does this site has credibility?

In that article, I think the genius they speculate might get a new love interest is Amy since they were just talking about her past. 

This article is just pure speculation with no credibility you guys since they mentioned that we might see Amy's friends from her past.

I thought it was obvious that Amy was friendless before meeting the gang. :icon_rolleyes:

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I thought it was obvious that Amy was friendless before meeting the gang. :icon_rolleyes:

I was going to say this, but do you remind when she talked about her "friends" in Norway? Maybe something like the case of Jimmy Spiekerman (is that his surname?) and Leonard can happen, not with the same storyline (bully apologizes with geek after many years and funny sittuations come from this), but with the same spirit. It could be funny.

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I was going to say this, but do you remind when she talked about her "friends" in Norway? Maybe something like the case of Jimmy Spiekerman (is that his surname?) and Leonard can happen, not with the same storyline (bully apologizes with geek after many years and funny sittuations come from this), but with the same spirit. It could be funny.

Hmmm...Yeah I guess it could but I dunno. I am doubtful that it could happen. 

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I don't know too. Do you rather see an old storyline recycled or a brand new shitty one? 

I would rather just get some information regarding her family. Like does she even have a paternal figure in her life or was she raised by a single mother?

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Well...when Amy dated Stuart in Season 5, Sheldon indeed asked Penny out, but of course it was just to have Amy back and most likely he didn't considered it as a real "date", since he has been alone with Penny so many times and he is comfortable around her as a good friend. Flirting with a new girl now, for whatever reason,  would be completely OOC. Apart from the fact that, as you said, his character is so well determined that  something really strange has to happen to change him to this level (a coconut on his head, for example, lol...), as far as I understand from the taping report, throughout all the episode he showed his "I hate all women" side, so it will be really strange that, after having stressed it in the premiere, the writers choose so a divergent path. I hope they don't go there...

When Sheldon "asked" Penny out on a date, there is an obvious underlying tone that Sheldon wanted to backhandedly get Penny's opinion on how to get Amy back ("I'm not trying to get her back, but out of curiosity what is a way?"), and was easily swayed by Penny to "strap on a pair and go talk to Amy".

In the second-to-the-last scene on the TR, that is replicated, hence the tea. Only this time, with Penny undergoing a romantic issue herself and her sticking up with Amy, the outcome came differently.

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About the spoiler:   It starts out that these were RUMORS so they are not really spoilers.   The article was clear to state they were rumors about the second episode.   Now also consider:

1.  Accident rumor:  First off, we already know from photos taken by Johnny that Bill Nye was on set and therefore likely is in the episode.   Second we know from Mayim that the comic bookstore  set is up and she likely had a scene in it.   Third, we know that Mandy's character has been cast and will be making an appearance in this second episode.  

Therefore, if they added an accident scene which would require a Hospital set and likely an outdoor shoot for the accident itself...I don't know...seems to far-fetched and too packed of an episode to do it with any decency.

2.  Amy's past:   It is likely they will bring on family before "friends" for flushing out her past.  More people are interested in family connections than meeting her old friends.  It seems unlikely they would recycle the Speckleman episode...it was unpopular an episode anyway and they usually don't be that blatant about repeating a story.   So I don't think that is likely.   I do think they will introduce family but not likely in the second episode.  It will be in Season 9 though.

3.  Love interest for the "brokenhearted genius":   This was all in the context of a discussion about Amy so Amy is likely who the author was referring to here (not Sheldon).  But again, I believe that this is RUMOR only and only based on Molaro's comment that Amy has "not ruled it out" when asked if she would date another man.   I honestly doubt they are going to even go there and I don't think they will have Sheldon date anyone else either.   

4.  The rumors are very likely a combination of comments from Molaro and fanfics.   I don't think anyone should get worked up over these because they are what they are..RUMORs and suppositions from other people that are trying to figure out what may happen just like the rest of us.   

 

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I think Johnny's Bill Nye picture is a throwback picture...I know he didn't label it as such, but it's the same shirt and bow tie that Nye wore for The Proton Displacement.

I wondered, but Johnny usually is very good about mentioning throwbacks which made me wonder.   But I do think you are right.  

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Diddnt Amy date Stuart in s5? So wouldent be such a disservice or OOC if either dated other ppl. Despite contary opinion, would be good for them to get more exp. Not so reliant on each other, its clearly unhealthy. Thats just me though. Some say they did a disservice to Sheldon when they paired him with any female, so that boat has shipped..

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This is Shamy, not Lenny, who date and sleep around all the time...

 

On a different note.

I've been thinking about this (and could just be FF material), but what if when Shamy get's back together, they have their first time?

A sort of make up/we are back together sex?

I was thinking about this too and I agree with you. They can make out decently this time, and would be a way of saying "I missed you".

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 I have hidden some posts  (subject to clarification) as derogatory comments about other ships are not allowed in a ship zone.  

There were some posts that tried to refute the posts subject to clarification, those should not have been posted, the posts requiring clarification, should have reported.

I have also hidden a couple of posts that quoted other, hidden posts.

Once we have clarification, we may unhide some of the posts.

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After last season finale, I was hoping for some sort of "passionate" make up, whether with their first time or with a finally uncut kissing scene, and my hopes went  as high as a proposal. But after reading the TR,  I don't think it will be a good idea: their fight in the premiere was so unpleasant, they both said (of course unintentionally) so bad things and both of them seem so hurt now that I really hope they clear everything up before going forward. Otherwise, it will remain the impression that whatever happens in the make up is not the fruit of love, but just an attempt to quickly resolve the situation and I don't know how I would like it.

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After last season finale, I was hoping for some sort of "passionate" make up, whether with their first time or with a finally uncut kissing scene, and my hopes went  as high as a proposal. But after reading the TR,  I don't think it will be a good idea: their fight in the premiere was so unpleasant, they both said (of course unintentionally) so bad things and both of them seem so hurt now that I really hope they clear everything up before going forward. Otherwise, it will remain the impression that whatever happens in the make up is not the fruit of love, but just an attempt to quickly resolve the situation and I don't know how I would like it.

I'm still hoping for a passionate makeup, either with their first time or an uncut kissing scene...just after everything has cleared up between them and they're not as hostile and hurt.

All in good time.

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The accident rumour is probably just that, a rumour, but I think it could be a really interesting path if the writers decided to go down it at some stage.

Just think, you have Leonard driving, Penny in the passenger seat, Sheldon and Amy in the backseat on either side. Shamy are still broken up, haven't really spoken since the split, but have decided to put their differences aside to accompany Lenny somewhere (not really important where for this scenario). Lenny, still trying to work through their own problems, end up arguing over something pointless. Throughout their argument you see Sheldon lean in between them several times to tell Leonard to watch the road or they'll crash, and then again to warn Leonard of a red light up ahead. Still arguing, Leonard powers through the intersection and their car is hit by another car, sending their vehicle spiralling across the road. The camera cuts between the exterior and interior of the car while you hear all four characters screaming. The car finally comes to a stop after hitting something else. Inside the car, Penny is wide-eyed and breathing heavily, Leonard is gripping the steering wheel and looks shocked, and you see Sheldon pull Amy to him. No one speaks. Two-three seconds later, a poll or something similar falls across the roof of the car on the rear drivers side. Shamy's eyes look to the poll, which has caved the roof in slightly, before they shift back to stare at each other significantly. The poll would have hit Amy, if Sheldon had not reached for her. The scene cuts to the other plot of the episode, which then cuts back to the scene of the accident where all four characters are standing outside the car looking at the wreck. Sheldon shakes his head "Leonard, I told you thusly". Later on in the episode we see Sheldon visit Amy to see if she is okay after the episode, which leads to her thanking him for saving her. They discuss how the accident has put things into perspective and that neither wants to be apart from the other any more because life is too short and you never know what could happen. Cue kiss.

My ramblings aside, whatever happens, I think the writers know what they are doing.

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The accident rumour is probably just that, a rumour, but I think it could be a really interesting path if the writers decided to go down it at some stage.

Just think, you have Leonard driving, Penny in the passenger seat, Sheldon and Amy in the backseat on either side. Shamy are still broken up, haven't really spoken since the split, but have decided to put their differences aside to accompany Lenny somewhere (not really important where for this scenario). Lenny, still trying to work through their own problems, end up arguing over something pointless. Throughout their argument you see Sheldon lean in between them several times to tell Leonard to watch the road or they'll crash, and then again to warn Leonard of a red light up ahead. Still arguing, Leonard powers through the intersection and their car is hit by another car, sending their vehicle spiralling across the road. The camera cuts between the exterior and interior of the car while you hear all four characters screaming. The car finally comes to a stop after hitting something else. Inside the car, Penny is wide-eyed and breathing heavily, Leonard is gripping the steering wheel and looks shocked, and you see Sheldon pull Amy to him. No one speaks. Two-three seconds later, a poll or something similar falls across the roof of the car on the rear drivers side. Shamy's eyes look to the poll, which has caved the roof in slightly, before they shift back to stare at each other significantly. The poll would have hit Amy, if Sheldon had not reached for her. The scene cuts to the other plot of the episode, which then cuts back to the scene of the accident where all four characters are standing outside the car looking at the wreck. Sheldon shakes his head "Leonard, I told you thusly". Later on in the episode we see Sheldon visit Amy to see if she is okay after the episode, which leads to her thanking him for saving her. They discuss how the accident has put things into perspective and that neither wants to be apart from the other any more because life is too short and you never know what could happen. Cue kiss.

My ramblings aside, whatever happens, I think the writers know what they are doing.

*me wants* Somebody please write this down in a fanfiction !!!!

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I think the whole accident rumor is hysterical. It's pretty obvious these "news sites" come on here for spoilers, and can't even tell fans' speculation and random scenarios from actual spoilers. People were discussing the possibility of a car accident (half jokingly) in the Spoilers thread for fun. I really believe that's where the whole idea of the "car crash" came from. From a purely speculative perspective, I don't think something as dramatic as a car crash fits the tone of this show, unless it's something REALLY minor that Sheldon blows out of proportion (be it his injuries or Amy's). 

Another thing that occurred to me from a purely "wishful scenarios" perspective, is... since the RA hasn't yet been brought up with regards to the breakup, I would love to see Sheldon realize the termination hasn't been signed and take/send it to Amy to sign and when she opens it, she can't bring herself to do it. I think anything right now that reassures me this won't play out like a standard breakup and/or that Amy doesn't really want it, would go a long way to make me feel better about this whole thing.

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I agree with Musickat and this post...but I wanted to add that I also believe Sheldon does feel about Amy many of the things she feels for him, but he is one scared puppy.   Let's face it...not many men are virgins still in mid-30's.   He has to be scared to death, especially given his germ phobia.  So yes...I do think he has sexual arousal for her, does find her appealing, does want to make love to her, but is scared to death so he uses language and tactics to avoid the subject and he pretty much admitted he wasn't there yet.  It isn't that he isn't there physically as much as he has a huge fear he has to overcome.  Eventually his desire for her will outweigh the fear and that is when things will move toward a more physically intimate direction.  But, they truly do need to have a long conversation because we know Sheldon came with hang-ups and baggage entering into this and she was well aware of all of those.   

She has done a great job of probing him just the right time, and sadly she "gave up" too rashly this one time because she was about to get that commitment she wanted.   I think in Sheldon's mind, he wants to have her be totally committed to him (as in married) so that when they do make love the first time and if it isn't all that she had hoped, he knows they are committed and will still work on it.  I think he is fearful of having it outside of that kind of commitment because he is afraid she could run at any time and now with this rash break-up from her, it may scare him even more.   

It will be interesting to see how they unfold this...but we all know communication is key here.   I think once they have a chance to hash things out verbally, they will find a happy medium and happy place again to move forward.

Star, I meant to respond earlier. I think this is interesting. I largely agree that Sheldon is careful about letting down his guard, and Amy's snapping when she did is unlikely to do anything but traumatise him.

As to whether Sheldon needs a commitment from Amy before engaging in sex: I don't know if I agree that Sheldon's issues about sex are centred around performance anxiety, necessarily. It may be unusual to be a virgin in your thirties, but Sheldon and Amy are unusual in many ways, not just that. I don't know if their first time together will be perfect- likely not. Will it get better with practice? Almost certainly. But- while this stupid break/breakup storyline has made Amy seem far more temperamental, and their relationship seem much more fragile, than it did earlier- I don't think Sheldon thinks that if he doesn't rock Amy's world with his technique, that she will up and leave him. Also, they had a Relationship Agreement, and that didn't safeguard him from  breakup, did it? Primarily, Sheldon may- may- sometimes worry whether Amy wants to be in a relationship with Fabio, or something. He may worry if Amy wants things from him that he just doesn't have. But those worries are further-ranging than sex, I think. A little clear communication will clear the air about the major, major ingredient in whether Sheldon and Amy can please each other: they are into each other. Technique? Eh, they're not slot machines- pull a lever and watch the results. They're human beings, and I know I keep dragging poor Germaine Greer into my posts here of late, but here is one that is -ahem- germane: 'Not all the technique in the world can make up for genuine excitement.' Amy and Sheldon dig each other, and once they both are clear on that, they've sorted out the important thing.

Regarding sex: I do hope that this season has the two moving on to that. Not because of prurience (well, not only, ahem), and not because I think they need to have sex before they commit to marrying, or anything like that. No, I'm mostly exhausted with the emphasis the show places on sex in the Shamy relationship. So much of Seasons Six and Seven descended to sniggering innuendo about Amy's frustration and whether Sheldon would toss her-hur,hur- a bone. I thought it was mean-spirited and repellent. And also I felt weird about being implicitly invited to The Deflowering of Doctors Cooper And Fowler. I know Sheldon's V-Card is a cash cow for the writers, and doesn't that make him sound like a slave up for auction? His value halves once he's punched his card? Ugh. In my darker moments, I used to think 'This show is going to wait until its final moments- its climax, if you will- for Sheldon and Amy to have sex. Like Sheldon's ejaculation somehow punctures the show's universe. A truly Big Bang.'

Now, at this point, it would be a cop-out if Sheldon and Amy didn't have sex. But I'm one of those who would have happily watched Sheldon and Amy be boy/friend/girl/friend forever, and I'd love it if the show moved on past The Sexual Bogeyman at some point. I know Sheldon has issues about that sort of thing. I wonder if Amy, too, has unexplored issues about it. I know it'll take time. But I don't want the relationship to be reduced to whether and when the two will have sex. I hasten to add that Season 8 did a lot to restore the fun and other elements of the relationship. I really hope the writers will remember how delightful that was. 

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Yes wow!!! Thank you! I'm so over the whole sex thing by now that I will frankly be pissed if they don't get it over and done with this season. And, like you, it's not that I want this because I desperately need them to have sex (I too would have been happy with them staying boy/friend/girl/friend forever), but because I think there is SO much more to their relationship than waiting on them to lose their virginity to one another. I find to reduce their whole journey to that one moment, like it would be if they held out on it until the very end of the show, is so insulting to the complexity of these characters and their dynamic. It's like saying that the whole point of following their story for so long is to wait for that consummation and puts such a stupidly massive value onto the act like everything starts and ends with sex. Ugh. Gross.

Ultimately, I think it *is* very intriguing and sweet and fascinating to see them navigate these intimate matters for the first time with each other, but in the same way it was intriguing to me to see them navigate so many other things for the first time with each other. Amy was the first friend Sheldon ever made on his own. Sheldon was the first person who ever gave Amy a shot at friendship and a social life and that instead of running away at her weirdness, stuck by her, even against his own friends. It was fascinating to see Sheldon form a bond with someone for the first time that wasn't antagonistic. It was fascinating to see them begin to crush on each other in late S4. It was fascinating to see them overcome all the hurdles that a deeper emotional connection can bring and so on. All their "firsts" with each other were and are fascinating to me. Physical intimacy to me is such a small part of their entire journey that I find it extremely boring to make that one thing the end game of their relationship. Sheldon is more than his V-card, and their relationship deserves better than being just about that.

As for Sheldon, I really don't get the impression that his anxieties when it comes to sex have anything to do with performance anxiety, or being worried that Amy would leave him if their first time isn't amazing. I think it always came down to three things: pride about being "above" sex, his issues with touching/germs, and control/making himself that vulnerable. That, combined with the fact that he doesn't jump into something unless he's 100% sure he wants it. As well as the writers' stalling tactics from S6 onwards. 

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 I'm glad I'm not the only one whose fed up with the sex aspect of their relationship.  There are so many other interesting aspects of Shamy and I sometimes feel that them not having sex is preventing those other aspects from being explored.  Not only that, but there will be many more things they can explore if and when they do have sex.

 

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