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My guess would be the same as Rachel's, since from what I understand Amy was (understandable) completely devastated by the break-up (both having to do it, and the things they both said during s9 ep 1).

But since the writers keep surprising us, both good and bad, we should expect the unexpected.

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Amy is heartbroken but angry.. Sheldon is Lost and Angry.. 

It could be either her living room or bedroom. But I think maybe something about the relationship agreement is in there.. Oscillation is the key word here

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But since the writers keep surprising us, both good and bad, we should expect the unexpected.

After that nightmare of a premiere, I think we need to expect the worst instead. That way we won't get our hopes up, and we can be pleasantly surprised if things actually turn out good.

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After that nightmare of a premiere, I think we need to expect the worst instead. That way we won't get our hopes up, and we can be pleasantly surprised if things actually turn out good.

i have no hope left, so anything good that may come for Shamy will surprise me

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The title is most definitely intriguing and, like I said on Twitter, I'm trying REALLY REALLY hard not to get my hopes up because, frankly, if I were writing this the way I want to see it go from here, that's the title I'd pick too. Assuming the title does indeed refer to Shamy (and I would be surprised if it didn't at least partly refer to them - as in, the title is about both couples like in the finale) Oscillation means going back and forth, which would fit with the idea that Amy was pushed into a rash decision and is now second guessing herself and changing her mind back and forth about whether or not she did the right thing. That is what I would like to see: that Amy does not really want to break up with him. I don't necessarily need a reconciliation right away, but if I am to keep investing time in this story, I want to know that this isn't just a stalling tactic to prevent the inevitable consummation, and that we are on the mend towards a reconciliation by November at the very latest. The only thing I would hate is if the final oscillation is towards the "yes", maybe with more obnoxious Sheldon being up in her face about stuff or even being downright vengeful to consolidate her decision. But, really, would they be so cruel as to have three episodes in a row to hammer home the fact that Shamy are done? That just seems so unusual for a show that normally sweeps stuff under the rug within 20 minutes. 

Of course, there's a good chance this refers to Lenny too: separation as in not living together or separation as in cancelling the marriage. However, how does "Oscillation" fit in for them? If it's living together, it's about swinging back and forth about moving in or not, which seems a bit weird. The other would be about whether or not to cancel the wedding because of Mandy and good Lord I hope they're not going there. I was not keen on them marrying given the situation, but now that they've gone there they'd better stick with it or end it permanently. It would be a copy cat of Ross and Rachel's Vegas wedding, I can't imagine anything worse.

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The title is most definitely intriguing and, like I said on Twitter, I'm trying REALLY REALLY hard not to get my hopes up because, frankly, if I were writing this the way I want to see it go from here, that's the title I'd pick too. Assuming the title does indeed refer to Shamy (and I would be surprised if it didn't at least partly refer to them - as in, the title is about both couples like in the finale) Oscillation means going back and forth, which would fit with the idea that Amy was pushed into a rash decision and is now second guessing herself and changing her mind back and forth about whether or not she did the right thing. That is what I would like to see: that Amy does not really want to break up with him. I don't necessarily need a reconciliation right away, but if I am to keep investing time in this story, I want to know that this isn't just a stalling tactic to prevent the inevitable consummation, and that we are on the mend towards a reconciliation by November at the very latest. The only thing I would hate is if the final oscillation is towards the "yes", maybe with more obnoxious Sheldon being up in her face about stuff or even being downright vengeful to consolidate her decision. But, really, would they be so cruel as to have three episodes in a row to hammer home the fact that Shamy are done? That just seems so unusual for a show that normally sweeps stuff under the rug within 20 minutes. 

Of course, there's a good chance this refers to Lenny too: separation as in not living together or separation as in cancelling the marriage. However, how does "Oscillation" fit in for them? If it's living together, it's about swinging back and forth about moving in or not, which seems a bit weird. The other would be about whether or not to cancel the wedding because of Mandy and good Lord I hope they're not going there. I was not keen on them marrying given the situation, but now that they've gone there they'd better stick with it or end it permanently. It would be a copy cat of Ross and Rachel's Vegas wedding, I can't imagine anything worse.

Koops you just made me feel so much better :) 

thank you !

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Title kind of refers to:

1. Shamy's separation

2. Lenny's emotional and mental separation

3. The social group's "separation" due to the relationship problems of the 4A couples.

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I have been thinking and discussing this and I really don't think this will be either couple more girls vs. boys 1. Usually very funny plots aka kinda needs an upswing from last week 2. From the set the Comic book store and Caltech Cafeteria to me scream boys alone time 3. Bernie kitchen and Amy's apartment could just be girls going to each other Now both groups of course will discuss their current situations and yes Amy might express some regret and Sheldon might unlease the knowledge of the ring to Leonard. Only kink is the Mandy casting... Not sure Also the title could be a play and be something related to work. I am not getting overly excited but I expect more upbeat than last week JMO though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I have been thinking and discussing this and I really don't think this will be either couple more girls vs. boys 1. Usually very funny plots aka kinda needs an upswing from last week 2. From the set the Comic book store and Caltech Cafeteria to me scream boys alone time 3. Bernie kitchen and Amy's apartment could just be girls going to each other Now both groups of course will discuss their current situations and yes Amy might express some regret and Sheldon might unlease the knowledge of the ring to Leonard. Only kink is the Mandy casting... Not sure Also the title could be a play and be something related to work. I am not getting overly excited but I expect more upbeat than last week JMO though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I also expect more upbeat than last week. I think that Mandy's appearance is for a Lenny story. Maybe the groups will be Amy/Bernie, Leonard/Penny and Sheldon/Raj/Howard. At least I'm hoping for that...

Anyway Kerry have fun and enjoy the taping :icon_cheesygrin: 

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I think the last few posts have it right.  I bet this episode is going to focus on the group interactions as Howerdette and Raj as they're push/pulled between the couples.  Handled deftly, it could be really good.  I'd prefer Sheldon stay away from Amy when he's this angry.  Who knows what he'll say?

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Something I'd like to see as well is a dream (at some point) in which Sheldon is reunited with George Sr. In the dream, his father expresses his regret that his words and actions caused the breakdown of his marriage, and lost him the woman he loved. He doesn't want Sheldon to make the same mistake, as unlike the view taken in some fanfics, I believe all the Cooper children were conceived in love - but things weren't right, for some reason, and he didn't know how to make it right, at least not fighting an addiction at the same time.

Sheldon doesn't have that problem though, and his father is trying to make him see that it's not too late, as I also believe that even though they couldn't understand each other, most of the time, it didn't mean they didn't love each other.

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I don't think Sheldon and Amy will necessarily have scenes together this week, and I don't think they're necessary to give an idea of where they're at and where they're going as a couple. Dialogue with their friends can be plenty informative about that. Actually I hadn't thought about the group oscillating between the two couples in the wake of all this drama, that's a good interpretation. Regardless, if we are essentially saying "the premiere set the tone, Shamy are broken up for good, and now we are back to upswing episodes and get ready for 20 more of these with the current dynamics", I'm not going to bother investing time in this this year. I need at least some indication of where these two are going in the very near future to keep me interested.

I also find the idea of Shamy having such a dramatic fight and bottling everything up more or less permanently, with so much still unclear and unspoken to be incredibly OOC for their relationship: usually when they argue, they might even sulk and ignore each other for a couple of days, but, ultimately, they always cool down and communicate honestly and directly about what is bothering them. All this hand-wringing of emotions and unspoken things and Sheldon moping on one side while Amy mopes on the other is so unlike them that I can buy it for the first few days, or a week, because they're emotional, but not as a more or less permanent situation.

I also don't know how you can go from the very heavy drama of last week back to "Let's scavenger hunt!" like nothing happened in the next episode. I don't see any of the main four being in the mood. This has to be some kind of transition episode of some kind rather than a "and now for some of the usual, while we won't pick up on those other plots for a while". There's too much fire right now.

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I need the next taping report like yesterday because I feel like the next taping report will give us a better idea of how the rest of the season will go. It can either go two different ways- Sheldon will be all cold and distant or he will be all vengeful and the same time longing for amy. I'm betting on the latter but I just really hope Sheldon takes the romantic road. It would be great if he enlisted Rajs help with that. Lol I can see Raj making plans to help Sheldon win Amy back by basing plans off of romantic movies lol the way he made romantic suggestions to Penny involving movies like Dirty Dancing and Say Anything. I want an episode where ita guys vs girls where its not only Sheldon in the doghouse but all the guys. I want it to be like in that episode of boy meets world where all the guys mess up and end up organizing an impressive dance number to win back their girls. Lol I know it wont be that easy when it comes to Shamy but a girl can dream. What do you guys think Sheldon will ultimately end up doing to win Amy back?

 

I think he'll crawl back for her. 

Well, I liked the episode where Sheldon and Amy go dancing, certainly. But no crawling, please. Amy overreacted, Sheldon pushed instead of giving her space, Amy snapped and broke up with him in the heat of the moment. Both acted in the heat of the moment, neither acted to deliberately hurt the other person, no grovelling or profuse apologies or grand gestures are necessary. I can see Sheldon apologising for the 'eggs' remark, because that was certainly out of line, and it would be a nice sign of growth that he recognises that himself. But I am especially opposed to Beaux Gestes in the Grand Romantic Comedy tradition because they would obfuscate the real issues and prevent them from communicating, which I believe to be the need of the hour.

Plus- and this is me speaking personally- I would resent it if the entire message of the show is that Amy is right to want all the trappings of traditional romance, Sheldon is wrong to resist, and nothing will work unless he kowtows to his woman and whips out the roses and chocolate and string quartets. I find that entire equation insultingly gendered:

a ) not just that Amy is supposed to want these stereotypically 'feminine' things, and has to tolerate her boyfriend's interest in infantile nerdy things. Because that is bullSHIT, writers. Recton all you want, you can't take away 'Fun With Flags' and Amy/Penny/Bernie's 'Thor' discussion from me! but

b ) importantly, that Amy's entire role is to sit around socialising her manchild boyfriend. Goddammit, show, let Amy screw up and be in the wrong sometimes! Let her have something to learn sometimes! Yes, even from The Exasperating Sheldon Cooper! How depressing to put out the idea that there is only one way to love and be loved, that women have access to this magic key by virtue of possessing a uterus, and that poor stupid men have to be taken gently by the hand and shown the way. Fuck that noise. Amy, Penny and Bernie have lives to lead and mistakes to make of their own. They shouldn't have to have the burden of implied extra maturity just so that the guys can goof off and get to have all the fun.

 

 

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Well, I liked the episode where Sheldon and Amy go dancing, certainly. But no crawling, please. Amy overreacted, Sheldon pushed instead of giving her space, Amy snapped and broke up with him in the heat of the moment. Both acted in the heat of the moment, neither acted to deliberately hurt the other person, no grovelling or profuse apologies or grand gestures are necessary. I can see Sheldon apologising for the 'eggs' remark, because that was certainly out of line, and it would be a nice sign of growth that he recognises that himself. But I am especially opposed to Beaux Gestes in the Grand Romantic Comedy tradition because they would obfuscate the real issues and prevent them from communicating, which I believe to be the need of the hour.

Plus- and this is me speaking personally- I would resent it if the entire message of the show is that Amy is right to want all the trappings of traditional romance, Sheldon is wrong to resist, and nothing will work unless he kowtows to his woman and whips out the roses and chocolate and string quartets. I find that entire equation insultingly gendered:

a ) not just that Amy is supposed to want these stereotypically 'feminine' things, and has to tolerate her boyfriend's interest in infantile nerdy things. Because that is bullSHIT, writers. Recton all you want, you can't take away 'Fun With Flags' and Amy/Penny/Bernie's 'Thor' discussion from me! but

b ) importantly, that Amy's entire role is to sit around socialise her manchild boyfriend. Goddammit, show, let Amy screw up and be in the wrong sometimes! Let her have something to learn sometimes! Yes, even from The Exasperating Sheldon Cooper! How depressing to put out the idea that there is only one way to love and be loved, that women have access to this magic key by virtue of possessing a uterus, and that poor stupid men have to be taken gently by the hand and shown the way. Fuck that noise. Amy, Penny and Bernie have lives to lead and mistakes to make of their own. They shouldn't have to have the burden of implied extra maturity just so that the guys can goof off and get to have all the fun.

 

 

Wowbagger, you and Koops are on fire :) . Yes to all of this ! 

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Yes - to me this show is just as much about the girls growing up as the boys. Penny has always had a hard time getting emotionally close to the men in her life - that, and I suspect, a provincial, working class upbringing around people who didn't understand her dream are what basically connect Penny and Sheldon, and only when she grows past that can she truly be vulnerable enough to let Leonard love her as they would both want him to.

Bernie has to learn that temper tantrums are best left behind, and remember that she has a husband, and not a child. She needs to step back and allow his growth (which I think will necessarily come from his mother's death), to make theirs the marriage they would both want.

And Amy of course, is caught between being true to herself and what society has told her she should want, and it's her inexperience mixed with more grown up concerns that go some way to explaining where she is right now.

 

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How depressing to put out the idea that there is only one way to love and be loved, that women have access to this magic key by virtue of possessing a uterus, and that poor stupid men have to be taken gently by the hand and shown the way. Fuck that noise. Amy, Penny and Bernie have lives to lead and mistakes to make of their own. They shouldn't have to have the burden of implied extra maturity just so that the guys can goof off and get to have all the fun.

 

But isn't that the idea the show perpetually gives us? For example Bernadette telling Amy during the Valentines train excursion that all men are idiots and how she had turned the 'hot mess' that was Howard into marriage material, even taking credit for getting him into space. Or Penny telling Leonard how he uses 'cool' or 'awesome' wrong or how she won't go to the mall with a 'guy in a dumb space bear coat'.

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I don't understand why every time Amy wants to see some form of "traditional" romantic gesture, she gets brow beaten. The argument is that if Sheldon were to do this it would totally wreck his character. Can't Shamy have an 90% "unconventional" romance with 10% traditional romance? Can't Amy get both flowers and a mushroom log? Can't she have a prom  date with arms? Is this too much to ask a romantic partner, even if it's Sheldon Cooper? She did find the RA "romantic" when Sheldon gave it to her, but then she read it and said and I quote "Seems a bit restrictive." She should have retained a lawyer. But I think that she was so excited that he at least went an inch out of his way, she accepted the whole package deal without questioning it too much.

The next thing people will give as an example is the line about the RA not only being hot but binding. In my mind Amy is glad to have some structure up to prevent Sheldon from backsliding and hold him to a minimum standard of the relationship. This is not to say because of this minimum standard she doesn't want some traditional romance. She tells Sheldon directly in First Pitch quote, "It would make me so happy if you said things like that", referring to the speech Leonard made. She told him what would make her happy. Instead of taking that to heart he discounted her.  She doesn't need him to sing songs of adoration and ride in on a white horse but some small infrequent gesture would be nice once in a while.

Season 8 shows him trying to backslide with pouting on a date night and using a picture of him smiling plus another date night where he is working on a theory and ignoring her. Both times she calls him on his non-adherence to a binding contract. If you re-watch season 8 in it's entirety with the benefit of hindsight, Amy is not as starry-eyed as she appeared in the first viewing. They both love each other deeply, though Amy is not sure where she stands in the grand scheme of things. Which is why after a wonderful kiss on her anniversary you can actually watch her face crumble as she gives him two chances to clarify what he means, "That's what your thinking about?" and "Are any of them me?"

It's been said that Amy doesn't know what she wants. I don't buy it. She wants respect, she wants her partner to be considerate and mindful of her, she wants love and she wants some romance even if it's only 10% traditional. Or if not that at least 8.2%. You can be an empowered woman and still want flowers.

You don't have to totally agree with me. I'm not an essayist. I am bringing my life experience and my (obsessive) love for Shamy together to form this opinion. These two could be a force of nature if they communicate with each other and show each other how much they love one another.

 

 

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I don't understand why every time Amy wants to see some form of "traditional" romantic gesture, she gets brow beaten. The argument is that if Sheldon were to do this it would totally wreck his character. Can't Shamy have an 90% "unconventional" romance with 10% traditional romance? Can't Amy get both flowers and a mushroom log? Can't she have a prom  date with arms? Is this too much to ask a romantic partner, even if it's Sheldon Cooper? She did find the RA "romantic" when Sheldon gave it to her, but then she read it and said and I quote "Seems a bit restrictive." She should have retained a lawyer. But I think that she was so excited that he at least went an inch out of his way, she accepted the whole package deal without questioning it too much.

The next thing people will give as an example is the line about the RA not only being hot but binding. In my mind Amy is glad to have some structure up to prevent Sheldon from backsliding and hold him to a minimum standard of the relationship. This is not to say because of this minimum standard she doesn't want some traditional romance. She tells Sheldon directly in First Pitch quote, "It would make me so happy if you said things like that", referring to the speech Leonard made. She told him what would make her happy. Instead of taking that to heart he discounted her.  She doesn't need him to sing songs of adoration and ride in on a white horse but some small infrequent gesture would be nice once in a while.

Season 8 shows him trying to backslide with pouting on a date night and using a picture of him smiling plus another date night where he is working on a theory and ignoring her. Both times she calls him on his non-adherence to a binding contract. If you re-watch season 8 in it's entirety with the benefit of hindsight, Amy is not as starry-eyed as she appeared in the first viewing. They both love each other deeply, though Amy is not sure where she stands in the grand scheme of things. Which is why after a wonderful kiss on her anniversary you can actually watch her face crumble as she gives him two chances to clarify what he means, "That's what your thinking about?" and "Are any of them me?"

It's been said that Amy doesn't know what she wants. I don't buy it. She wants respect, she wants her partner to be considerate and mindful of her, she wants love and she wants some romance even if it's only 10% traditional. Or if not that at least 8.2%. You can be an empowered woman and still want flowers.

You don't have to totally agree with me. I'm not an essayist. I am bringing my life experience and my (obsessive) love for Shamy together to form this opinion. These two could be a force of nature if they communicate with each other and show each other how much they love one another.

 

 

I 100% agree with all of all of this.  

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But isn't that the idea the show perpetually gives us? For example Bernadette telling Amy during the Valentines train excursion that all men are idiots and how she had turned the 'hot mess' that was Howard into marriage material, even taking credit for getting him into space. Or Penny telling Leonard how he uses 'cool' or 'awesome' wrong or how she won't go to the mall with a 'guy in a dumb space bear coat'.

Perhaps not perpetually. Off the top of my head, the girls were hanging out and talking about a trip to Hawaii, and Amy was very excited about using the telescope. Then Sheldon came in and Amy and Bernie got into an argument with him about whether werewolves could swim. Penny has indicated the value in Leonard's geeky pursuits (he's passionate about them, and she likes that). But yes, I agree that it is a recurring theme with the show and I dislike it intensely. For example, it's very very rarely that the show lets Sheldon be the straight man ever, and it's a pity. I loved watching Sheldon be the straight man to drunk!Amy, and I'd love it if Amy were to geek out about something with Sheldon looking on in tolerant amusement.

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