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2 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

For the first time in a long time, I'm not going to make it for chat room after taping, work is super busy this week and I probably won't get time, but I look forward to reading about it :)

Hi Rachel.   I am in the same boat as you.   Work has gotten extremely busy.   I don't even have time to be on the forum during the day anymore.   All I can do is run through reading posts in between tasks and like them as I go, hoping I'll be able to come back to comment on a topic later before interest in the subject has died off.

It's a shame, because this is when I want to be on here more.   I'll probably miss the chat room as well, because I really need to rest to be able function at the office.   If I do by some chance get in, I'll miss you being there.

I just keep thinking, the day after tomorrow and we'll see the entire reconciliation scene.   I can't wait to see Sheldon's confession about what Amy has done for him and to hear the ILYs.

Like you, I hope to wake up tomorrow morning with some good spoilers and commentary to read.

Got my late night glass of water and comment in.  Going back to bed.  I wish you a good and productive work week.

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@jena sorry for replying without quoting but I am afraid I might mess up. My disagreement with you post is about the same section Kathy quoted. I don't think there is any sign that Amy was aware of their relationship being actually romantic at the time and surely not manipulating him. I think I would hate that because it would feel that she was not being completely honest with him. As Kathy said on their first encounter Amy seemed to be really aloof not really wanting to be there but doing it to get her mother off her back. I also think that Sheldon was way more smitten than her cause finally he found a human in a world of dogs (I think that is something Sheldon said or someone here once wrote but it's definitely not mine) so he grabbed the opportunity. For Amy I think it was a chance to have a friend and then an opportunity to finally stop meeting random people out of a dating site. Anyway Amy especially back then is bland and deadpan, with an arrogant streak and never afraid to throw the truth in Sheldon's face. Also a strong indicator for me that this was friendship for her also is when she grabbed his hand. She seemed not to be affected in the same way Zack affected her. I think the turning point was Herb Garden. I think that's when she started falling for Sheldon. And after the kiss everything started falling into place for both of them. And still I think both were honest about rebooting their relationship because it was a lot to handle for them both. Did she start realizing it was romantic? Probably but so did he. They were still pretty equal except for the fact that Amy could admit it easier. Also one thing I think is very telling about the date that she used her "bag of tricks" to accelerate his affection is that she told him explicitly what she was going to do. No manipulation at all. Actually, the only time I think she did manipulate him (train episode aside) is the Table episode. Which I hate. I think that then she ignored a serious problem Sheldon had and maninipulated him into staying in the relationship and it finally caught up with her. I really believe Shamy works better when they are honest with each other and IMO  that's part of the reason why their relationship was so functional from the first time. Anyway,that's just how I see Shamy of course and Amy in particular.

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10 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Ok I thought the ET clip 'views' were cool but I've just seen this: 

56661da1b2c9e_ScreenShot2015-12-07at23.5

:wacko: That's a lot of shipping!

to be fair, 800 of those views were mine! :thankyou:

 

9 hours ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I really hope the season 9 DVD/blu-ray will have a bonus feature of Jim and Mayim talking about the roller coaster relationship of Shamy this season! 

this is one season I'm definitely buying!!!! ( the others I've downloaded... shame on me) 

5 hours ago, MAH_B said:

I'm ready for some of those pics/gifs to come back. It's been too long since anyone mentioned anything about them/quoted them/etc! Come on...kisses? Sheldon's face at the door? Giving Amy the eyes from bed...? Anyone? 

giphy.gif  here you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thankyou:

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54 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Hi Rachel.   I am in the same boat as you.   Work has gotten extremely busy.   I don't even have time to be on the forum during the day anymore.   All I can do is run through reading posts in between tasks and like them as I go, hoping I'll be able to come back to comment on a topic later before interest in the subject has died off.

I'm in the boat with you guys too, I keep coming into the forum late and everyone has already said what I was gonna say :( 

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6 hours ago, jenafan said:

You make a valid argument, but I've have always seen Amy as being into Sheldon right from the very beginning, starting with her facial expression when they walked up to the counter for her tepid water.    I think she has always used her bag of tricks in some form or another, even telling Sheldon that she was curious about him losing his mind over her being the reason she was sitting on his couch after they ended their relationship.   Amy wanted back in as much as he did.   I don't think she had romantic feelings or even urges at the time, but I don't think it was indifference, either.

When Amy asked Sheldon to meet his mother, I felt Amy realized she went too far, practically stalking him to get a chance to set matters straight.   They straightened things out, and Sheldon asked her to go out for a bite.   Amy accuses him of smothering her.   I don't think she meant it.   I think she was using reverse psychology trying to ease Sheldon's mind that she realized that she had almost smothered him with her request.

Furthermore, I don't think she would have presented Sheldon to her mother, let alone let Sheldon go on about their fake coitus if a part of her wasn't convinced he was something of a boyfriend, and Sheldon seemed all to happy to go along with it after Amy provided her explanation.   Her look of confusion at the end could very well have been because Sheldon suggested they engage "at least one time in their relationship", not that she was put necessarily put off by it.

In the beginning, Amy was too outspoken and blunt to be manipulative enough to use her bag of tricks.  The look on her face when she went up to the counter to get her water?  I didn't see it as attraction on her part at all.  I'm sure he was the first guy that stuck around after he "no coitus" speech.  And she was curious.  She is a brain scientist after all.  

Again, she's a brain scientist and she even says that's the reason she's there next to him on the couch in Zazzy.  "Your mother thinks you might be losing your mind over me.  As a neurobiologist, I was curious."  I'm sure it also peeked her interest that for the first time in her life, I boy has a crush on her.  

When I say she's indifferent, I don't mean towards Sheldon in general but indifferent to anything romantic with him.

As for her mother and that whole situation, again, I think your reading too much into it.  She didn't stalk him.  He took the time to "erase" himself electronically and when she tried to get in contact with him about WHEN she wanted him to meet her mother, she wasn't able to get a hold of him so she had no choice but to go to him in person.  By then, yes she realized her mistake in being too vague about meeting her mother.  Again, do you remember that conversation between them?  She wasn't using reverse psychology.  All she wanted was her mother off her back and since Sheldon is a boy who's her friend (her only friend at that time) why not use him to make her mom think there's something more than there was?  No harm, no fowl. 

Watch season 4 again and see if what you see is still there.  I agree he became smitten from the first day, but it took Amy quiet a few episodes to get there too but she did get there eventually.

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8 hours ago, jenafan said:

 

Have I mentioned how much I hate this quote function?  I don't even know why it's quoting you again Jenafan but whatever. 

I agree there was a spark between them on that first day but after that, we didn't get anything from Amy to indicate she wanted more or even thought of Sheldon as more than just a friend.  She seemed indifferent as far as any romantic notion with Sheldon was concerned.  Again, not indifferent to him in general.  Just with any romantic notion.  We didn't get any indication from her until after Herb Garden.  20 episodes (roughly 10 months) later.

Sheldon, however, was clearly smitten from the beginning and regarded their relationship as, well, a relationship while at the same time insisting she wasn't his girlfriend.  I think he protests too much.  

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1 hour ago, Ranger Rosa said: CBS is recycling clothes! lol

And they should!  Real people wear their multiple times and Sheldon and Leonard sure wear shirts repeatedly.  The interesting thing about this for me is that several people have mentioned Amy having a "new look" on these dates (including 9.10) that is less layered.  But clearly she has done this dress-and-light-cardigan  thing before.

Something that caught me last season. Penny wore a shirt with red poppies in The Septum Deviation. Three weeks later, I was watching Bones' The Mutilation in the Master Manipulator and Brennan was wearing the exact same blouse!

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5 hours ago, Cecilia said:

@jena sorry for replying without quoting but I am afraid I might mess up. My disagreement with you post is about the same section Kathy quoted. I don't think there is any sign that Amy was aware of their relationship being actually romantic at the time and surely not manipulating him. I think I would hate that because it would feel that she was not being completely honest with him. As Kathy said on their first encounter Amy seemed to be really aloof not really wanting to be there but doing it to get her mother off her back. I also think that Sheldon was way more smitten than her cause finally he found a human in a world of dogs (I think that is something Sheldon said or someone here once wrote but it's definitely not mine) so he grabbed the opportunity. For Amy I think it was a chance to have a friend and then an opportunity to finally stop meeting random people out of a dating site. Anyway Amy especially back then is bland and deadpan, with an arrogant streak and never afraid to throw the truth in Sheldon's face. Also a strong indicator for me that this was friendship for her also is when she grabbed his hand. She seemed not to be affected in the same way Zack affected her. I think the turning point was Herb Garden. I think that's when she started falling for Sheldon. And after the kiss everything started falling into place for both of them. And still I think both were honest about rebooting their relationship because it was a lot to handle for them both. Did she start realizing it was romantic? Probably but so did he. They were still pretty equal except for the fact that Amy could admit it easier. Also one thing I think is very telling about the date that she used her "bag of tricks" to accelerate his affection is that she told him explicitly what she was going to do. No manipulation at all. Actually, the only time I think she did manipulate him (train episode aside) is the Table episode. Which I hate. I think that then she ignored a serious problem Sheldon had and maninipulated him into staying in the relationship and it finally caught up with her. I really believe Shamy works better when they are honest with each other and IMO  that's part of the reason why their relationship was so functional from the first time. Anyway,that's just how I see Shamy of course and Amy in particular.

You and Kathy make some convincing opposing view points that have really caused me to think about my own views on this.   One thing I have decided is that the word manipulation in my post was too strong of a word for Amy, but I do still believe there was something more there for Amy than she was letting on.   I love the way it has been brought out that it was Sheldon who was more smitten than Amy, and indeed it was him that initiated the fake coitus.   This just goes further to prove to me his denial and that these desires were buried deep inside of him, where he tried so hard to keep them.  It also proves he is not as naïve about such things as he lets on.   He liked the idea of coitus, but the actual act is what repulsed him.

As far as him doing nothing for her when she grabbed his hand, she had already had her release from shaking Zack's hand.   The way I see it, the urge was no longer there.   Perhaps if she had taken it before, something would have happened.   To say Sheldon does nothing for her would have negated Penny's attempts to convince Sheldon that he could do something about her "condition."   I about died when he told Penny she was horny.   I never thought something like that would come out of his mouth.

2 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

I agree there was a spark between them on that first day but after that, we didn't get anything from Amy to indicate she wanted more or even thought of Sheldon as more than just a friend.  She seemed indifferent as far as any romantic notion with Sheldon was concerned.  Again, not indifferent to him in general.  Just with any romantic notion.  We didn't get any indication from her until after Herb Garden.  20 episodes (roughly 10 months) later.

Sheldon, however, was clearly smitten from the beginning and regarded their relationship as, well, a relationship while at the same time insisting she wasn't his girlfriend.  I think he protests too much.  

I love the bold part, and like I said, perhaps I am reading too much into it, but at the same time I could also make the argument that others aren't reading enough.    It really can go both ways depending on one's perspective.    Nonetheless, I will go back and rewatch S4 to see if my opinion on this matter is exaggerated.   I do recall one instance where Shamy met up with Sheldon's friends at the Cheesecake factory, and Amy wanted to know why they couldn't have dinner alone.    This to me was another indicator that Amy was more into Sheldon than she was letting on.

I may come back to this post later with additional comments after more thought on the matter.

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11 hours ago, jenafan said:

 

Have I mentioned how much I hate this quote function?  I don't even know why it's quoting you again Jenafan but whatever. 

I agree there was a spark 

 

Oh for the love of God, THIS QUOTE FUNCTION SUCKS!!!!  I wanted to quote something else, not this!  Let me try again....

never mind I'm going to be late for work thanks to this fucking suck ass quote function but I will get back to you on the Cheesecake Factory scene unless somebody else beats me to it.

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54 minutes ago, ShLe94 said:

If I think they were friends back then? Yes, absolutely. They still are. Friendship doesn't rule out 'romantic' attachment, IMO. It's a kind of love, after all. They are friends that love each other now! That's why I love someone's idea (koops, if I remember well) to bring back 'the old Shamy' and mix it with 'Shamy 2.0', that with the more mature and deeper bond. That's what I'm looking and hoping for! :)

 

 That is really sweet!! :)I hope to see them be quirky and happy in the backround having a great time!! 

@koops first of all get well soon!! I loved your post! That's exactly how I feel about the subject!! Thanks for weighing in and I am going to need these three essays about Amy's evolution please!! :)

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21 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Out of interest, where is it in the world you are from? 

From France. French people aren't already American's lover. Watch FR movies to understand.

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17 minutes ago, Denzel said:

From France. French people aren't already American's lover. Watch FR movies to understand.

Moi, je sais pas.  Je connais beaucoup de Français qui m'aiment assez bien et je suis américaine.  J'en connais beaucoup qui aiment les Etats-Unis, aussi.  Et oui, je regarde des films français.  MDR.  :icon_cheesygrin:

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3 minutes ago, jlove said:

Moi, je sais pas.  Je connais beaucoup de Français qui m'aiment assez bien et je suis américaine.  J'en connais beaucoup qui aiment les Etats-Unis, aussi.  Et oui, je regarde des films français, aussi.  MDR.  :icon_cheesygrin:

I've never say that people in France don't like american people... or America, that I can say that I really feel not welcome on the site, and I really did nothing for.

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19 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Ok I thought the ET clip 'views' were cool but I've just seen this: 

56661da1b2c9e_ScreenShot2015-12-07at23.5

That's the very Youtube clip, that brought me to TBBT.

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4 minutes ago, Denzel said:

I've never say that people in France don't like american people... or America, that I can say that I really feel not welcome on the site, and I really did nothing for.

C'est pas bon, ça!  Soyez la bienvenue!

Everyone is welcome here!  

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Just now, jlove said:

C'est pas bon, ça!  Soyez la bienvenue!

Everyone is welcome here!  

Merci, sadly it's true and someone on the site tells too, there is a culture crash between US and FR, and I am sad to admit that a lots of frenches are - I can say - against America, that I, and a lots of are, not.

There is no beautiful word for such a truth.

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11 minutes ago, Denzel said:

Merci, sadly it's true and someone on the site tells too, there is a culture crash between US and FR, and I am sad to admit that a lots of frenches are - I can say - against America, that I, and a lots of are, not.

There is no beautiful word for such a truth.

Well just so you know I have thankfully only ever felt welcome when I've been in your wonderful country and have always found the French very kind and friendly.  Paris is my favorite city on earth; I was actually just there with my husband and 3 young children.  We returned home only 10 days before the terrible attacks.  :-(

I love that we can bond with people all around the world over TBBT and Shamy!

To bring this conversation back to topic, do you find many people who watch TBBT faithfully in France?  How delayed are your episodes?  Are they dubbed, or subtitled?

 

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