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I´ve been trying to stay unspoiled but couldn´t resist any longer. But now, that I´ve read all the comments (especially the last few pages), I´m regretting it.

First it was hard to swallow to read about the opening of episode 9x02, but I came to a conclusion: I´m going to ignore Leonard´s smutty fantasy, because that´s what it is. For me, it never happened. And when it airs, I will just close my eyes and think of all the great shamy moments we had so far. And to be honest: I don´t need a shamy kiss that beats Leonard´s dream, because shamy can do better: they have this sweet and innocent teenage love, which is non-competitive to other relationships. It might not be perfect, but what they have is unique and special and makes us cry happily every time. They are going through a tough time, but when they come together again, I´m sure that this reunion, will be sweet and heart-melting. And we will see the ring again and listen to Sheldon´s story of how he got it and what motivated him to buy it. Or why he asked his meemaw to give him her engagement ring. :shy: They just need to open their shelves of insecurity and fear to be honest to each other completely.

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I was thinking last night about this and it occurred to me that we always say Amy was Sheldon's firsts at everything...but is that really true?  I mean think about it....Penny was his first female friend...then Amy.   Penny was the first to be allowed in his bedroom, then Amy.   Penny was the first that he snuck around his friends to see and have dinners with when she was broken up with Leonard.   Penny was the first he saw naked (even if it did nothing for him).   Penny was the first he let comfort him when sick.   Penny was the first he let kiss him on the cheek or anywhere else.   Penny was the first now that he has shared a passionate kiss with (even if not real).  Penny was the first he said "I love you" to as well.  The writers are using Penny to be a lot of his firsts....not Amy.   Kind of made my stomach turn when I thought about it.   

I know Sheldon loves Amy and not Penny...but the writers are so all over the place and the knee-jerk reactions from fans from their OCC like behaviors on all the characters is shaking things up in such a way that it is creating more paranoia than comfort or fun.   Likewise, it could backfire on them.  If they want the fans to be behind Shamy...by showing a hot and steaming Shenny kiss could make the general fan base decide that he looks and kisses better and has greater chemistry with Penny than he has with Amy....that is really risky to do.   Because they have an unfair comparison.   They have not allowed Shamy to get there yet...so they put Shenny out there and it kind of sullies the Shamy stuff, plus it makes a "bar" raised that Shamy will have  to outdo.   It makes Shamy have to look more passionate and unbridled and sexier, etc.  And I don't know...I just think it could backfire.

 

Overall I am very disappointed that they did the Shenny kiss at all  It is too visual.   

 

And to those who attended the taping...our deep gratitude goes out to you for the spoilers...but I agree with all of you for being furious about fans writing on IG, Tumblr, Twitter or wherever to EPs, writers, cast, crew, etc.   That is so not cool.   Even after it airs I think it isn't really that appropriate, but definitely totally INappropriate before it airs.  

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I was thinking last night about this and it occurred to me that we always say Amy was Sheldon's firsts at everything...but is that really true?  I mean think about it....Penny was his first female friend...then Amy.   Penny was the first to be allowed in his bedroom, then Amy.   Penny was the first that he snuck around his friends to see and have dinners with when she was broken up with Leonard.   Penny was the first he saw naked (even if it did nothing for him).   Penny was the first he let comfort him when sick.   Penny was the first he let kiss him on the cheek or anywhere else.   Penny was the first now that he has shared a passionate kiss with (even if not real).  Penny was the first he said "I love you" to as well.  The writers are using Penny to be a lot of his firsts....not Amy.   Kind of made my stomach turn when I thought about it.   

I know Sheldon loves Amy and not Penny...but the writers are so all over the place and the knee-jerk reactions from fans from their OCC like behaviors on all the characters is shaking things up in such a way that it is creating more paranoia than comfort or fun.   Likewise, it could backfire on them.  If they want the fans to be behind Shamy...by showing a hot and steaming Shenny kiss could make the general fan base decide that he looks and kisses better and has greater chemistry with Penny than he has with Amy....that is really risky to do.   Because they have an unfair comparison.   They have not allowed Shamy to get there yet...so they put Shenny out there and it kind of sullies the Shamy stuff, plus it makes a "bar" raised that Shamy will have  to outdo.   It makes Shamy have to look more passionate and unbridled and sexier, etc.  And I don't know...I just think it could backfire.

 

Overall I am very disappointed that they did the Shenny kiss at all  It is too visual.   

 

And to those who attended the taping...our deep gratitude goes out to you for the spoilers...but I agree with all of you for being furious about fans writing on IG, Tumblr, Twitter or wherever to EPs, writers, cast, crew, etc.   That is so not cool.   Even after it airs I think it isn't really that appropriate, but definitely totally INappropriate before it airs.  

I didn't think about the comparison between the two situations for Sheldon before...I agree, it can be a risk. IMO they tried to make the "two" Sheldon act so differently just to  make it clear that the "usual" one is the only available for the show; but, as you said, this may in some sense catch the casual viewers attention to a too high level and it may go out of their control. It is a new thing, viewers like new things, the chemistry between them exists already and the two actors are very popular at the moment, so it would be natural to see them together.  I know Shamy are very popular, but, who knows? TV fame is made up in seconds, and can disappear in seconds...Clearly, the  show can't go "that way" without the writing looses its brilliancy, it would be complicated to adjust in a natural way the plot to that point, so people will be disappointed anyway. Moreover, canon Sheldon doesn't act like the dreamy one, so this scene is a one time only, in any case.  Let's hope they edit the episode in a way to minimize the risk...

On the other hand, I really don't think it will be ever possible for Amy and Sheldon characters as they are to ever reach that degree of sensuality...I mean, their characters are not built to be passionate and hot, are built to be sweet, quirky, tender, and I don't think it is a good idea to switch them so much, even when  the moment will come.

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You are right, stardustmelody, Sheldon has had a lot of firsts with Penny, but she´s  never caused so heavy feelings inside of him than Amy did and that is what counts for me. Amy is the one, who opened Sheldon´s heart and made him love someone more than anyone else in his life. She is the one, who makes him love her and understands how his brain works, more than Penny will ever be able. Of course Penny will always be someone special for Sheldon, but like a sister/mother. I mean, he saw Penny naked and was not aroused by it? Every other man would felt aroused by her appearance immediately, but not Sheldon. But he feels definitely aroused by Amy. Sheldon is looking for someone who can compete with him on the same intelligence level, which Penny, sorry to say that, will never be able to compete.

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I agree with the concerns from a visual/marketing POV. That is really my main beef with the scene. I think in the context of the episode and the overall story this has literally zero impact. But it is rather unfair that even in Amy's dream sequence they cut before they could kiss, and that obviously Sheldon will never be as "loose" as they probably allowed Jim to be in this scene, and given how they must know that we have been cherishing all those "delicately placed" (to quote Mayim) moments between them and waiting for them to progress, and yet they slap bang a really visual make out of Sheldon with another character. It just all feels rather cruel to me. Not to mention, cheap, like I said before.

However, I don't agree with the "firsts" comment at all. I mean, you can't honestly compare the two. A lot of these 'firsts' you mention merely have to do with the fact that, chronologically, Penny was there first and, frankly, some of them are pretty meaningless (like the sneaking around for dinner). Also, it's not true Penny was the first to kiss him, that was Beverly! LOL. And she wasn't the first one he said ILY too, that was Leonard. And, regardless, like I said, you can't honestly compare the type of experience he is going through with Amy with his friendship with Penny. Not in a million years. Penny is not the woman that's making him climb the walls now because he's so in love and hurt, she's not the woman he wants to marry, she's not the woman he (apparently) wants to have kids with, she's not the woman he has let his guard down to this extent for. And Penny herself would probably tell you so if she were real. 

I agree with your last sentence here....but my point is that the writers constantly have been putting the carrot out there...they seem to like to tease Shenny all the time.   Whether it be dream sequences, or having Sheldon  be orgasmic from dominos and telling Penny he loves her or whatever.  I am well aware the comparisons are weak but they are still are there and they still are ways the writers tease and imply hope for Shennies out there.   I really don't get why they do that.   It just makes it harder to feel good about whether we can trust them or not to be careful with these couples.   And given the latest episode taped last night...I am not at all convinced that they will be that careful.

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I support Shamy all the way the writers do their jobs. as an essay writer myself its hard to write anything! everything in the show and make people happy is all but hard work like come on! I grok! Sent from my GT-S5360 using Tapatalk 2

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I agree with the concerns from a visual/marketing POV. That is really my main beef with the scene. I think in the context of the episode and the overall story this has literally zero impact. But it is rather unfair that even in Amy's dream sequence they cut before they could kiss, and that obviously Sheldon will never be as "loose" as they probably allowed Jim to be in this scene, and given how they must know that we have been cherishing all those "delicately placed" (to quote Mayim) moments between them and waiting for them to progress, and yet they slap bang a really visual make out of Sheldon with another character. It just all feels rather cruel to me. Not to mention, cheap, like I said before.

However, I don't agree with the "firsts" comment at all. I mean, you can't honestly compare the two. A lot of these 'firsts' you mention merely have to do with the fact that, chronologically, Penny was there first and, frankly, some of them are pretty meaningless (like the sneaking around for dinner). Also, it's not true Penny was the first to kiss him, that was Beverly! LOL. And she wasn't the first one he said ILY too, that was Leonard. And, regardless, like I said, you can't honestly compare the type of experience he is going through with Amy with his friendship with Penny. Not in a million years. Penny is not the woman that's making him climb the walls now because he's so in love and hurt, she's not the woman he wants to marry, she's not the woman he (apparently) wants to have kids with, she's not the woman he has let his guard down to this extent for. And Penny herself would probably tell you so if she were real. 

I mean, by this stage who knows what the show will do, but even know I would be shocked to see them destroy both Shamy and Lenny just to put Shenny together. That would be just insane, and I think it's ridiculous to even contemplate anything like that at this stage. They have spent 9 years building the stories of these two couples, sometimes better than at other times, only to what? Just kill them off at the very end and pair up the two leads? Yeah, not gonna happen.

I agree again with you Koops :) 

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However, I don't agree with the "firsts" comment at all. I mean, you can't honestly compare the two. A lot of these 'firsts' you mention merely have to do with the fact that, chronologically, Penny was there first and, frankly, some of them are pretty meaningless (like the sneaking around for dinner). Also, it's not true Penny was the first to kiss him, that was Beverly! LOL. And she wasn't the first one he said ILY too, that was Leonard. And, regardless, like I said, you can't honestly compare the type of experience he is going through with Amy with his friendship with Penny. Not in a million years. Penny is not the woman that's making him climb the walls now because he's so in love and hurt, she's not the woman he wants to marry, she's not the woman he (apparently) wants to have kids with, she's not the woman he has let his guard down to this extent for. And Penny herself would probably tell you so if she were real. 

I'd like to add that it's by far easier to do all these things with someone you're not physically attracted to. With Amy, this is a whole new ballgame for Sheldon.

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I'm so numb to tbbt now.  I just roll into a ball and stare at the wall.   Its not worth my tears.but still can't believe why the writers would give us a shenny kiss even if it's a dream.  Morel like a nightmare.     The whole ep could have been more tolerable if they had someone other than Sheldon.  Penny makes out w a tv character, star wars, trek....whatever.... Sheldon UGH!!!  Just give the shennies a shread of hope don't we.   

 

Something big for shamy better happen soon or I'm out

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I'm so numb to tbbt now.  I just roll into a ball and stare at the wall.   Its not worth my tears.but still can't believe why the writers would give us a shenny kiss even if it's a dream.  Morel like a nightmare.     The whole ep could have been more tolerable if they had someone other than Sheldon.  Penny makes out w a tv character, star wars, trek....whatever.... Sheldon UGH!!!  Just give the shennies a shread of hope don't we.   

 

Something big for shamy better happen soon or I'm out

They didn't even have to do the kiss.  They could easily have had Sheldon and Penny stare at each other then begin to lean in and get close like they were about to kiss and then Leonard wakes from his nightmare and it would have accomplished the same thing.  But by them making the kiss happen and to be so graphic and passionate...well it cheapens both couples even if just a dream.  It really is gratuitous and just for shock value and to try and to draw in viewers.  Sadly it could backfire big time on them though...and that is my biggest fear.

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I've spent my day reading here and there whenever I had the opportunity.

So ok, I kinda get why Sheldon has to be an angry jerk. I know somehow in the newest episodes everything is going to work again in an even stronger Shamy.

But that col open scene ? WTF??? Somehow I wonder if this isn't like the spanking episode, something that wasn't supposed to be taped and on D-day they were all "let's do it".

It baffles me though that the audience reacted in a positive way to it. Or I'm too angry slash sad to understand right now.

And last thing : WHAT ABOUT THE FRE*KING RING ?????

 

Oh and another thing : thank you from the bottom of my far away heart to the wonderful people who're lucky enough to attend the tapings and generous enough to share them with us fans :) You guys rock my Shamy world :)

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Well we are a really strong Ship, even better then Titanic ;)

But Skachel is tough competition, once they come out of the closet :no:

the closet iswell and truly closed!

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I've spent my day reading here and there whenever I had the opportunity.

So ok, I kinda get why Sheldon has to be an angry jerk. I know somehow in the newest episodes everything is going to work again in an even stronger Shamy.

But that col open scene ? WTF??? Somehow I wonder if this isn't like the spanking episode, something that wasn't supposed to be taped and on D-day they were all "let's do it".

It baffles me though that the audience reacted in a positive way to it. Or I'm too angry slash sad to understand right now.

And last thing : WHAT ABOUT THE FRE*KING RING ?????

 

Oh and another thing : thank you from the bottom of my far away heart to the wonderful people who're lucky enough to attend the tapings and generous enough to share them with us fans :) You guys rock my Shamy world :)

I think it might be better for our sanity to forget the ring for now.

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I agree with your last sentence here....but my point is that the writers constantly have been putting the carrot out there...they seem to like to tease Shenny all the time.   Whether it be dream sequences, or having Sheldon  be orgasmic from dominos and telling Penny he loves her or whatever.  I am well aware the comparisons are weak but they are still are there and they still are ways the writers tease and imply hope for Shennies out there.   I really don't get why they do that.   It just makes it harder to feel good about whether we can trust them or not to be careful with these couples.   And given the latest episode taped last night...I am not at all convinced that they will be that careful.

Yeah, even though all these things they've said/done doesn't mean as much for the Shenny because their NOT in love... it still bothers me.  I just much prefer the old Shenny stuff, bring that back please.  It's just a dangerous territory to go to (even though it's a DREAM).  I mean, I think Sheldon having a girlfriend was too at first, but became successful.  However Shenny would just destroy it.  

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I didn't think about the comparison between the two situations for Sheldon before...I agree, it can be a risk. IMO they tried to make the "two" Sheldon act so differently just to  make it clear that the "usual" one is the only available for the show; but, as you said, this may in some sense catch the casual viewers attention to a too high level and it may go out of their control. It is a new thing, viewers like new things, the chemistry between them exists already and the two actors are very popular at the moment, so it would be natural to see them together.  I know Shamy are very popular, but, who knows? TV fame is made up in seconds, and can disappear in seconds...Clearly, the  show can't go "that way" without the writing looses its brilliancy, it would be complicated to adjust in a natural way the plot to that point, so people will be disappointed anyway. Moreover, canon Sheldon doesn't act like the dreamy one, so this scene is a one time only, in any case.  Let's hope they edit the episode in a way to minimize the risk...

On the other hand, I really don't think it will be ever possible for Amy and Sheldon characters as they are to ever reach that degree of sensuality...I mean, their characters are not built to be passionate and hot, are built to be sweet, quirky, tender, and I don't think it is a good idea to switch them so much, even when  the moment will come.

Idk, i think we've seen Amy sometimes intense & passionate - in her own quirky way, but still - so i think it is there, she just tones it down a lot / hides it because she realizes that's not the level of intimacy they are on now...
About Sheldon though, idk.. Right now i agree it definitely would be OOC for him to suddenly become passionate about Amy BUT he's actually very intense & passionate about many things, it's just that right now these things are trains, star trek , comics etc, but i think the possibility of something 'clicking' in his brain and him transmitting this energy to Amy too is there.... I honestly believe (JMO of course ) that's what writers have been struggling with, how to do it but not to make it OOC

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Idk, i think we've seen Amy sometimes intense & passionate - in her own quirky way, but still - so i think it is there, she just tones it down a lot / hides it because she realizes that's not the level of intimacy they are on now...About Sheldon though, idk.. Right now i agree it definitely would be OOC for him to suddenly become passionate about Amy BUT he's actually very intense & passionate about many things, it's just that right now these things are trains, star trek , comics etc, but i think the possibility of something 'clicking' in his brain and him transmitting this energy to Amy too is there.... I honestly believe (JMO of course ) that's what writers have been struggling with, how to do it but not to make it OOC

Well certainly having it show up through a nightmare of Leonard's via a Shenny kiss didn't help matters.  If anything it just shows that they are reluctant only with he and Amy for some reason.   Still bothersome.

 

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They didn't even have to do the kiss.  They could easily have had Sheldon and Penny stare at each other then begin to lean in and get close like they were about to kiss and then Leonard wakes from his nightmare and it would have accomplished the same thing. 

Fingers crossed that they cut it down to this. I don't think so, but hope is the last to die.
 

 

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Writers, I'm extremely disappointed in you. This is a joke to you. You've been through Season 6, you've been through the Season 7 finale  and you go up here and write this for S9 and joke and laugh? This is serious to us, and this should be serious to you.

You're not sick of criticism, if you were sick of criticism you'd stand up and listen to what the people are saying and control your own destiny! Did you know you had the possibility to win an Emmy? Did you know the whole of America is rooting for you, did you know that? And then you come in for S9 and treat this like a joke! You come in here and write all that and say "I can't write that" you write 10 times better than half those other girls out there but you come in here with the defeatist attitude. 

This is not...this is not... BE QUIET CHUCK. BE QUIET. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? STOP IT. 

I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE YELLED AT A WRITER LIKE THIS! WHEN MY MOTHER YELLED AT ME LIKE THIS ITS BECAUSE SHE LOVED ME. I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU. WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU! HOW DARE YOU. LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS. WHEN YOU GO TO BED AT NIGHT YOU LAY THERE AND YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN EPISODES. BECAUSE NOBODIES GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM. 

YOU ROLLIN YOUR EYES AND YOU ACT LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOUVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE. YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE. 

YOU DONT KNOW WHERE THE HELL I COME FROM! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IVE BEEN THROUGH.  BUT IM NOT A VICTIM I GROW FROM IT AND LEARN!

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF! 

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Most of the time I'm positive Shamy and Lenny will be end-game, but in moments like this I get scared the writers might plan to shake things up. Try as I might, I can't fathom why they had to do this kiss. Great, now there'll be plenty of nerve-wrecking weeks ahead of me.

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They didn't even have to do the kiss.  They could easily have had Sheldon and Penny stare at each other then begin to lean in and get close like they were about to kiss and then Leonard wakes from his nightmare and it would have accomplished the same thing.  But by them making the kiss happen and to be so graphic and passionate...well it cheapens both couples even if just a dream.  It really is gratuitous and just for shock value and to try and to draw in viewers.  Sadly it could backfire big time on them though...and that is my biggest fear.

isn't that the idea to draw in viewers? The dream was Leonard's and he was feeling bad about what happened with Mandy. It has no effect on Shamies relationship.you mentioned earlier about how penny was their for many of Sheldon's firsts. most of them were before Sheldon knew Amy. Shamy are having a lot issues right now. none of them have to do with this.

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