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Well certainly having it show up through a nightmare of Leonard's via a Shenny kiss didn't help matters.  If anything it just shows that they are reluctant only with he and Amy for some reason.   Still bothersome.

 

Nope i wasn't talking about the Shenny kiss! was just replying to the other person's post how I think Sheldon could be a more passionate person but i think the road there is tough. But i think the whole anger/fights/break up will help him to eventually (soon) figure out what he wants... (Ok i know i am in the minority here ) .

I wasn't talking about the Shenny kiss at all! I don't have the 'ewww' reflex on it like most people but i agree it kinda hurts to see a passionate Shenny kiss while the longest Shamy kiss we've got in 5 seasons was like 10 seconds and close-mouthed :(

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I was thinking last night about this and it occurred to me that we always say Amy was Sheldon's firsts at everything...but is that really true?  I mean think about it....Penny was his first female friend...then Amy.   Penny was the first to be allowed in his bedroom, then Amy.   Penny was the first that he snuck around his friends to see and have dinners with when she was broken up with Leonard.   Penny was the first he saw naked (even if it did nothing for him).   Penny was the first he let comfort him when sick.   Penny was the first he let kiss him on the cheek or anywhere else.   Penny was the first now that he has shared a passionate kiss with (even if not real).  Penny was the first he said "I love you" to as well.  The writers are using Penny to be a lot of his firsts....not Amy.

Sheldon has also touched, albeit unintentionally, Penny's breast when helping her get dressed during Adhesive Ducks.  He called out Leonard on his jealousy of Penny's male friend by making light of the "hen pecking for corn" analogy.   Sheldon has addressed Penny about his urges and possibility for engaging in intimacy.    Sheldon is not as innocent about things as he claims, and Penny seems to be the protagonist that brings these things to light on screen. 

All that aside, he has also used Penny to vent his true feelings about Amy.   Penny has been his tool in helping him with his initial date with Amy, advise on how to interrupt her date with Stuart and get her back, admitting to having urges for Amy, and now as an Antagonist to get Amy back by feigning sex with her.    Penny is Sheldon's best friend's partner as well as a "safe haven", the one female friend he trusts and turns to for sibling or mother-like guidance.   I see no threat to Shamy here.

I agree with a comment I saw in another post.   If this had been Sheldon's dream, I would be more upset.    This was Leonard's dream.  The two closest people in Leonard's life are Penny and Sheldon, and he seems to be always caught between the two.   So, it seems plausible that Leonard's subconscious would conjure up a Shenny dream sequence as a result of the whole conflict created by his revelation to Penny about what happened on the boat, and that the events in the dream are a representation of his own turmoil.   Missing his wedding night?  (The make out)  Did he cheat? (Sheldon, the other man)  The passion displayed? (His own hot and heavy action with Penny).  

As Leonard does not see Sheldon as a threat to his relationship with Penny, he can accept the dream as it is, just a dream, but it is enough of a wake-up call, pardon the pun, to get him to patch things up with Penny without creating additional threats or insecurities, say for instance if Zack were in the dream instead of Sheldon. 

If Leonard told Sheldon about the dream, which I am not sure he did due to lack of full TR report, I can see how Sheldon would use it as a tool to try to make Amy jealous in an attempt to win her back because he honestly does not see Penny in that fashion.

I actually look forward to seeing Jim and Kaley's acting talents here, and I understand why the Shenny fans need a bone thrown at them once in awhile.   They are part of the audience base and deserve some fantasy.   However, my confidence comes from knowing Sheldon's actions are all focused on getting his little lady back, and when he does, there will be an explosion of emotions and manifestations of their love that will far outdo Leonard's dream.   I feel this is foreshadowing of things to come, and perhaps the writers do have a plan.

 

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Sigh...are the writers trying to make us mad? The dream isn't even what's upsetting me - it didn't actually happen, and it was Leonard's dream, not Sheldon's. No, what's upsetting me is that Sheldon would go out of his way to embarrass her on the Internet. He'd stoop as low as to make her think he'd slept with another girl. This when sex has been such a sore subject in their relationship because of Sheldon. I've always thought a Shamy breakup had the potential to be really interesting, although I'd have preferred it didn't have to happen. We could have seen Sheldon really mulling over things by himself, thinking about how he could have been a better boyfriend. Or about how much he misses Amy and how much fun they have together. Or how much he depends on her to drive him everywhere. The writers could have gone so many different directions, and yet they think this is what's best for them and what we want to see? It makes it seem like Shamy's relationship is not worth fighting for. That's still far from true for me, but to even make me question that means the writers are headed in the wrong direction and need to shift lanes, fast.

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I hope all this shamy progress doesn't go to waste .   I understand that Sheldon being Sheldon buy there is a line.  He is suppose to love her.   Ugh    

I am suppose to have surgery tomorrow (thyroid removal) and this is not what I wanted before I went in.  I wanted a happy shamy.   Instead I get a a nightmare kiss and shamy slinging mud at each other.  

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I've always thought a Shamy breakup had the potential to be really interesting, although I'd have preferred it didn't have to happen. We could have seen Sheldon really mulling over things by himself, thinking about how he could have been a better boyfriend. Or about how much he misses Amy and how much fun they have together. Or how much he depends on her to drive him everywhere. 

If they keep this implicit "five stages of grief", then next week he'll be depressed and doing what you said.

I hope all this shamy progress doesn't go to waste .   I understand that Sheldon being Sheldon buy there is a line.  He is suppose to love her.   Ugh    

I am suppose to have surgery tomorrow (thyroid removal) and this is not what I wanted before I went in.  I wanted a happy shamy.   Instead I get a a nightmare kiss and shamy slinging mud at each other.  

Don't let this bother you, especially because before surgeries you gotta stay calm. Everything will be fine, both to you and to the show.:shy:

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I get that, Starsamaria. I think what upsets me is that in the finale they both had a leg to stand on, and Molaro emphasized that over and over again. But in the first two episodes of this season they have chopped off Sheldon's leg in a heartbeat, and, seriously, who can blame Amy right now for not wanting to be around him? How is she meant to miss him and want him back instead of confirming her decision if he acts like this? 

Granted, it's hard to say without a detailed report, let alone without the actual episode, how Sheldon really comes across. I think part of me is relieved that Amy reads right through his stupidity and doesn't fall or gets upset by him trying to imply he's sleeping around, and I have read some details about the scarf scene on Tumblr that makes it come across rather sweet and heartbreaking. As for the FWF part, if he is just doing a passive-aggressive podcast about countries that split up, throwing jabs at her, I can get that. It's incredibly immature, but I can get that. If he's actually smearing her and humiliating her online then it's a different story. But without details it's hard to tell.

The other thing I have been thinking is again about this damn ring. Why we haven't heard about it. If Sheldon's so desperate to pull out all the tricks in his sleeve, why hasn't he pulled out the ring and marriage yet? 

eta: Good luck with your operation, Shamyfan! I hope it all goes smoothly.

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I waited the whole summer to find out about the ring, and was so excited when Molaro said it would be explained in the premiere. By the time Comic-Con came around, the writers definitely had written the first 3 episodes. This means something must have changed, but why? Are they saving the explanation until sweeps? Until Sheldon actually plans to use the ring? It would have been better if they'd never said anything about when the explanation of the ring would be given if they were gonna back down.

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I get that, Starsamaria. I think what upsets me is that in the finale they both had a leg to stand on, and Molaro emphasized that over and over again. But in the first two episodes of this season they have chopped off Sheldon's leg in a heartbeat, and, seriously, who can blame Amy right now for not wanting to be around him? How is she meant to miss him and want him back instead of confirming her decision if he acts like this? 

Granted, it's hard to say without a detailed report, let alone without the actual episode, how Sheldon really comes across. I think part of me is relieved that Amy reads right through his stupidity and doesn't fall or gets upset by him trying to imply he's sleeping around, and I have read some details about the scarf scene on Tumblr that makes it come across rather sweet and heartbreaking. As for the FWF part, if he is just doing a passive-aggressive podcast about countries that split up, throwing jabs at her, I can get that. It's incredibly immature, but I can get that. If he's actually smearing her and humiliating her online then it's a different story. But without details it's hard to tell.

The other thing I have been thinking is again about this damn ring. Why we haven't heard about it. If Sheldon's so desperate to pull out all the tricks in his sleeve, why hasn't he pulled out the ring and marriage yet? 

eta: Good luck with your operation, Shamyfan! I hope it all goes smoothly.

Agree :) , they must have big things planned to make up for all this. I'm sure once we see the episodes ourself it'll all be easier and hopefully lighthearted in places.

Fingers crossed by air time they are at least on track again if not made up completely :) 

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Next stage of grief should be negotiation....shamy are good in negotiation, hopefully we get something better!

 
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Next stage of grief should be negotiation....shamy are good in negotiation, hopefully we get something better!

 

Yes please, I needed this positivity :)

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Now we know why Jim and Kaley demanded more money lol. There once was a TV actress who demanded more dough because she was force to kiss a Actor Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I agree with your last sentence here....but my point is that the writers constantly have been putting the carrot out there...they seem to like to tease Shenny all the time.   Whether it be dream sequences, or having Sheldon  be orgasmic from dominos and telling Penny he loves her or whatever.  I am well aware the comparisons are weak but they are still are there and they still are ways the writers tease and imply hope for Shennies out there.   I really don't get why they do that.   It just makes it harder to feel good about whether we can trust them or not to be careful with these couples.   And given the latest episode taped last night...I am not at all convinced that they will be that careful.

The carrot is gone. Leonard and Penny are married. That puts a nail in the coffin of Shenny ever happening. Even though I knew it never would. Penny would never be with one of the other guys because it would hurt Leonard. Penny would never be with Sheldon because of Leonard and her now good friend Amy. Look how bad Penny felt when she went to bed with Raj. Penny wasn't with Leonard at that point and still felt horrible.

Now about the Shamy situation. I have no idea where the writes are going with that.

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The carrot is gone. Leonard and Penny are married. That puts a nail in the coffin of Shenny ever happening.

You've got a point here though. Was this the final bravado for Shennies from the writers? Like a "bouquet final" like we say in France?

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Now we know why Jim and Kaley demanded more money lol. There once was a TV actress who demanded more dough because she was force to kiss a Actor Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have actually wondered if the reason we don't have more intense scenes with Shamy is because Mayim has limitations about what she is willing to do on screen.   Even Jim has mentioned upon receipt of one of his Emmy's that there are some things he just will not do that others will.   With Kaley being less conservative, the writers have allowed us to see a much more passionate side of Sheldon (Jim's acting) that would normally not be seen on the air, but in a way that has little to no impact on Shamy except Sheldon's misuse of the of the dream events to get back at Amy.

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I have actually wondered if the reason we don't have more intense scenes with Shamy is because Mayim has limitations about what she is willing to do on screen.   Even Jim has mentioned upon receipt of one of his Emmy's that there are some things he just will not do that others will.   With Kaley being less conservative, the writers have allowed us to see a much more passionate side of Sheldon (Jim's acting) that would normally not be seen on the air, but in a way that has little to no impact on Shamy except Sheldon's misuse of the of the dream events to get back at Amy.

That did cross my mind, but than she was ok doing a scene with a near naked Jim, so I don't think that would be the case.  Besides I think Mayim and Jim work those scenes out between them so they are both comfortable doing whatever it is.

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I have actually wondered if the reason we don't have more intense scenes with Shamy is because Mayim has limitations about what she is willing to do on screen. [...]

I've seen quite a lot of fans pinning down these kind of things onto Mayim's "conservatism" or whatever but I think that's doing quite a disservice towards her. When she talks about their kissing technique she's talking about what makes sense for the characters and what the director wants to see - there's no indication that she feels uncomfortable with any of this. I mean, she's freely joking about being "a very sexual actress". I don't think we need to worry about a bit of French kissing being too much for her.

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I am not that worried about that Shenny kiss with.  The writers want to show us that Sheldon can be passionate without actually using the real sheldon. Hence, the dream.  They want the viewers to get used to the idea of a Sheldon with urges.  Was this the best way to do it? No. But that is what we got.   Now, when Shamy get back together it will be dynamite.  It will be better than anything we've seen on screen.  I for one cannot wait for the moment.  Given what we know about the taping last night and just how angry these Shamy are, I do think their first time will come arise out of anger.  I picture Sheldon going once more to Amy's apartment  she's finally had enough and lets him into to talk.  They argue.  Sheldon says something like:  I don't what to do anymore. Do you want me to ravage you right now? Will that make you happy?   Let's do this once and for all.  He starts taking off his shirt.  He tells her to get undress.  Amy is like what the hell we're are not doing this.  You don't really want to.  Then Sheldon says,  but I really do.   He goes to grab and kiss her and then one things leads to another.  Maybe too fanfiction, but it could happen.  It would show a pattern with sheldon.   

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Also, Sheldon did not misuse anything. He does not know about Leonard's dream and did not tell Amy he slept with Penny. He used Penny's bra in the box to lead Amy to think he had other girls on the side, but Amy immediately spotted that the bra was Penny's and saw through his BS. 

Oh is this right? Because if it is that makes me feel much better haha

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Well, if they keep prolonging things like they have been, they're never going to get experienced at it are they?

Which is why I'm annoyed that we are wasting time with this stupid breakup stuff when there's only 2 seasons left and so much left to explore with these two. I really want to see them taking each baby step to get there, and wasting time with Sheldon being a jerk and Amy slamming doors won't help with that.

@Maddie: yeah, Kerry confirmed earlier today in the Spoilers thread. Sheldon did NOT tell Amy he had slept with Penny. 

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