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Morning peeps! Let me clear up and give a more in depth shamy reportings!   There were 2 takes of the second kiss... As they finish kissing the first time round. They break apart. Sheld

Ok fellow Shamies, I typed up this report on the plane home just now. I've just landed and have another hour or so until I'll be home, but I thought I'd post this at least for you all real quick.  Sor

Oh...I thought someone has already posted a TR? No? Ok. First of all, English is not my first language, so I may have misunderstood a lot of the lines. Please forgive me if the episode turns out

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6 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

I think disagreement is fine, but hope I was not over reacting to comments made about the possibility with Amy.  But by no means do I want to demean your opinion. Honestly, however, I still don't see it even as a possibility.  Leonard kissing another woman to me is far more possible because he was capable of it in the past with both Priya and the girl in the comic bookstore (forget her name) that was an artist.   And I know he loves Penny, but he does have a weakness for people who compliment him as well, such as Alex.  

Amy, has never shown such a weakness really.   Just like she thought she might want to have sex with Zach, she just could not do so.   I think the same would have occurred with Dave.   Amy is caught up in the idea of sex defining adulthood or something and so talking to her gal pals who are experienced and have had a lot of different lovers fascinates her and she feels inadequate compared to them.   But in my opinion, she has to love someone before giving herself that way when it comes to reality.     I just feel that Amy is a heart and soul girl.   She gives herself when she gives her heart and soul to someone and while she liked Dave as a person and knew he liked her more than she liked him, he clearly did not own her heart.   And as I said above, I felt, when I watched the scene, she was even reluctant to kiss him even if she was leaning in and appearing like she would kiss him.  I think she was actually relieved to hear the triple knock sequence from Sheldon.   She just didn't look excited or thrilled with the prospect of kissing another man, much less be ready to hop in the sack with him and give up her virginity that way.   

Again this is just my opinion based on what we know about the characters and the way the story was portrayed last night. 

Yes!

I think sometimes the show gives Amy jokes about sex for the sake of comedy. But she's quite a traditional girl actually.

 

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12 minutes ago, anna said:

I think Darlin' was the perfect song choice also because they needed to tie Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys into "brilliant minds descending into madness." That's how he realized what the song was. They needed a pretty obscure song but also a song that Sheldon might have heart growing up, and they also needed it to be by an artist who lost their marbles. None of those old bands like the Beatles, for example, had a member who fit that category. At least not to my knowledge.

The song might not be everyone's cup of tea (although knowing it's Shamy's song and it reminds me of them makes me love it quite a lot :wub:) but you gotta admit, with the criteria and the lyrics, it's pretty dang perfect. It also just sounds cute and quirky, like Shamy. :)

I was about to post asking if anyone had come across an explanation as to the choice of Darlin'.  Anna, your explanation seems as good as any, but the song still seems weird to me in terms of the musical arrangement ( the lyrics are great).  

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Someone (I think in this thread) mentioned that Sheldon's ear worm didn't seem to match the actual song, and since the same thought had been bugging me too, I had to break open the piano app and peck it out myself to see what the differences were. They're actually close than I thought.

Sheldon's earworm went something like:

C C (one octave up) B-flat B-flat A B-flat B-flat

While the verse to Darlin' goes:

C C (one octave up) B-flat A B-flat B-flat

So the only difference is a repeated note in the earworm, and the A is held a beat longer in the original song.

I know this is extra geeky even for a Big Bang fan, but it was bugging me, so I had to figure it out. 

ETA: oops, it wasn't this thread. Just found the post on the episode thread. Sorry! :)

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2 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

I think disagreement is fine, but hope I was not over reacting to comments made about the possibility with Amy.  But by no means do I want to demean your opinion. Honestly, however, I still don't see it even as a possibility.  Leonard kissing another woman to me is far more possible because he was capable of it in the past with both Priya and the girl in the comic bookstore (forget her name) that was an artist.   And I know he loves Penny, but he does have a weakness for people who compliment him as well, such as Alex.  

Amy, has never shown such a weakness really.   Just like she thought she might want to have sex with Zach, she just could not do so.   I think the same would have occurred with Dave.   Amy is caught up in the idea of sex defining adulthood or something and so talking to her gal pals who are experienced and have had a lot of different lovers fascinates her and she feels inadequate compared to them.   But in my opinion, she has to love someone before giving herself that way when it comes to reality.     I just feel that Amy is a heart and soul girl.   She gives herself when she gives her heart and soul to someone and while she liked Dave as a person and knew he liked her more than she liked him, he clearly did not own her heart.   And as I said above, I felt, when I watched the scene, she was even reluctant to kiss him even if she was leaning in and appearing like she would kiss him.  I think she was actually relieved to hear the triple knock sequence from Sheldon.   She just didn't look excited or thrilled with the prospect of kissing another man, much less be ready to hop in the sack with him and give up her virginity that way.   

Again this is just my opinion based on what we know about the characters and the way the story was portrayed last night. 

Melody, your posts are always respectful, even when you have an opposing view.   This is not my issue.

I have no problem with disagreement, but I do become oversensitive when profanity and sarcasm is used to imply that others are stupid for having a different view.   This is one of the reasons I stay out of the S9 discussion thread now.   It's all just a barrage of insults and attacks, and that is not the type of social interaction I want to participate in, as if an opinion is either right or wrong, which is neither.

I think everyone on here knows how huge of a Shamy shipper I am and how much I love Sheldon and Amy individually, but they are by no means perfect and without their flaws.   I am happy as all get out that they are back together, but what could have happened still remains a mystery and can be speculated upon in many different ways.   God forbid I should express something contrary to the paradisiacal world built around Sheldon and Amy as if I've become a traitor to my favorite characters or ship.    This is certainly not the case.

Sometimes I see past the fairy tale we all want to see and look at the "what if" scenario through the lenses of an alternate outcome.   When I watched the episode last night, Amy's conversation with Bernadette rubbed me the wrong way, and I even mentioned in my original post that some could misconstrue Amy's actions as her wanting to have sex with Dave.   When I saw 2L344's post, I became excited realizing that I'm not alone in my thinking that Amy was considering trying out Dave.    In my opinion, if Sheldon had not shown up, the date could have gone either way, and the result is just a matter of interpretation.

As I've mentioned before, people do things out of character when they feel desperate, and I believe Amy felt jilted and spiteful at Sheldon's rejection.   It was almost like she was saying, "Ok, if Sheldon doesn't want me then, I'll settle for someone who does because I'm tired of waiting around."   Like she told Dave, she didn't know what she was waiting for.  At this point, it isn't about love or emotion, but I think she just wanted to get the lack of experience over with, and Dave seemed a nice enough guy to her.    Perhaps it was just a bunch of wild talk at that point.

When it comes right down to it, as soon as Dave put his hands on her, true to character, she may have stopped it right there.   However, up until the moment Sheldon knocked on her door, she was definitely not behaving like the Amy we all love and know.  It seemed she was ready to settle with Dave.  

When Amy uses the word "Intimate," I do believe she is implying sex.   I believe this was what she meant when she told Bernie that maybe "Intimate" is what she needs, otherwise Bernie wouldn't have seen fit to make the metaphor that she did to try to get her point across that Amy may not be thinking rationally.    Amy uses the word "Intimate" when addressing Sheldon about his present next week.

I agree with you that Amy was relieved that Sheldon showed up and interrupted them, but had he not, anything could have happened.   She could very well have run back to tell Bernie that she regretted taking the driving test with a bus, that it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be because she reacted instead of paused to really think about what she had done before doing it.    Her actions wouldn't have been because she didn't love Sheldon anymore, but perhaps because she just felt like she was missing out on what everyone else around her had, and the one person she wants to be with had rejected her.  

I am glad that things worked out the way they did and that Shamy 2.0 is so on.   However, Amy's behavior has been questionable since the break up began and last night's episode just further confirmed to me that she is a very reactionary person and sometimes uses poor judgment to cope when she is hurting.   We are talking about the same woman who craved human contact, wanted a make out session with her "friend" Sheldon, and got drunk in a parking lot wanting Sheldon to have his way with her at a hotel because she felt unliked by Penny and Bernadette over the wedding dress nonsense.    I would think she would want these things more so having actually loved, kissed, and been rejected by Sheldon.  It just so happened Amy liked Dave enough to excuse his behavior during their last date and to have her over to her apartment, knowing he had an interest in her....      Why exactly?

 

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11 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Melody, your posts are always respectful, even when you have an opposing view.   This is not my issue.

I have no problem with disagreement, but I do become oversensitive when profanity and sarcasm is used to imply that others are stupid for having a different view.   This is one of the reasons I stay out of the S9 discussion thread now.   It's all just a barrage of insults and attacks, and that is not the type of social interaction I want to participate in, as if an opinion is either right or wrong, which is neither.

I think everyone on here knows how huge of a Shamy shipper I am and how much I love Sheldon and Amy individually, but they are by no means perfect and without their flaws.   I am happy as all get out that they are back together, but what could have happened still remains a mystery and can be speculated upon in many different ways.   God forbid I should express something contrary to the paradisiacal world built around Sheldon and Amy as if I've become a traitor to my favorite characters or ship.    This is certainly not the case.

Sometimes I see past the fairy tale we all want to see and look at the "what if" scenario through the lenses of an alternate outcome.   When I watched the episode last night, Amy's conversation with Bernadette rubbed me the wrong way, and I even mentioned in my original post that some could misconstrue Amy's actions as her wanting to have sex with Dave.   When I saw 2L344's post, I became excited realizing that I'm not alone in my thinking that Amy was considering trying out Dave.    In my opinion, if Sheldon had not shown up, the date could have gone either way, and the result is just a matter of interpretation.

As I've mentioned before, people do things out of character when they feel desperate, and I believe Amy felt jilted and spiteful at Sheldon's rejection.   It was almost like she was saying, "Ok, if Sheldon doesn't want me then, I'll settle for someone who does because I'm tired of waiting around."   Like she told Dave, she didn't know what she was waiting for.  At this point, it isn't about love or emotion, but I think she just wanted to get the lack of experience over with, and Dave seemed a nice enough guy to her.    Perhaps it was just a bunch of wild talk at that point.

When it comes right down to it, as soon as Dave put his hands on her, true to character, she may have stopped it right there.   However, up until the moment Sheldon knocked on her door, she was definitely not behaving like the Amy we all love and know.  It seemed she was ready to settle with Dave.  

When Amy uses the word "Intimate," I do believe she is implying sex.   I believe this was what she meant when she told Bernie that maybe "Intimate" is what she needs, otherwise Bernie wouldn't have seen fit to make the metaphor that she did to try to get her point across that Amy may not be thinking rationally.    Amy uses the word "Intimate" when addressing Sheldon about his present next week.

I agree with you that Amy was relieved that Sheldon showed up and interrupted them, but had he not, anything could have happened.   She could very well have run back to tell Bernie that she regretted taking the driving test with a bus, that it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be because she reacted instead of paused to really think about what she had done before doing it.    Her actions wouldn't have been because she didn't love Sheldon anymore, but perhaps because she just felt like she was missing out on what everyone else around her had, and the one person she wants to be with had rejected her.  

I am glad that thing worked out the way they did and that Shamy 2.0 is so on.   However, Amy's behavior has been questionable since the break up began and last night's episode just further confirmed to me that she is a very reactionary person and sometimes uses poor judgment to cope when she is hurting.   We are talking about the same woman who craved human contact, wanted a make out session with her "friend" Sheldon, and got drunk in a parking lot wanting Sheldon to have his way with her at a hotel because she felt unliked by Penny and Bernadette over the wedding dress nonsense.    I would think she would want these things more so having actually loved, kissed, and been rejected by Sheldon, and it just so happened Amy liked Dave enough to have her over to her apartment, knowing he had an interest in her....   Why exactly?

 

I agree about the negativity in the other thread.  It is unfortunate.   Differing opinions help open our eyes to things.   

Well thankfully we can be grateful that the writers wrote the story the way they did and that Sheldon showed up.  At least we can make up our on "what if" situations if we want.  I guess at this point I am ignoring the "what if" because why spoil what ended up a great ending of the break-up story?   :laugh:   I am just happy with how it all ended and am glad now we can move on to happier stories.  And what a lovely ending it was, yes? :girlinlove: 

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3 hours ago, vonmar said:

IF, we don't hear anything about a Season 11, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole cast makes a final appearance at Comic Con this coming summer.  Kind of a start of the "farewell tour" so to speak.  "How I Met Your Mother" did that very thing.

When would they announce a ssn 11 if they were going to? Any idea?

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1 hour ago, anna said:

I think Darlin' was the perfect song choice also because they needed to tie Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys into "brilliant minds descending into madness." That's how he realized what the song was. They needed a pretty obscure song but also a song that Sheldon might have heart growing up, and they also needed it to be by an artist who lost their marbles. None of those old bands like the Beatles, for example, had a member who fit that category. At least not to my knowledge.

The song might not be everyone's cup of tea (although knowing it's Shamy's song and it reminds me of them makes me love it quite a lot :wub:) but you gotta admit, with the criteria and the lyrics, it's pretty dang perfect. It also just sounds cute and quirky, like Shamy. :)

I think you meant to write "a song that Sheldon might have heard" but made a typo.  It's perfect, though.  His heart apparently internalized it.  Never have I loved a typo so much.

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27 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

I still think that Amy's "naive, young innocent girl" side, along with her mother's repetitive voice in her mind about keeping hymen's in tact, would have likely caused her to back off because I do believe that Amy is a person that has to feel something romantic toward someone....otherwise she could have had plenty of opportunities with people she knew more (such as Stuart or Kripke).   So it isn't just about getting it over with that was important, but I think she wanted to feel a part of something that the girls talk about all the time and not to be the brunt of their jokes any longer because of her lack of experience.   Thankfully we will never know and I am okay with not knowing that.   I am okay to live in my "dream world" of Amy too in love with Sheldon to settle for anyone else and lose her virginity with anyone else.   :laugh: 

All of this.

I don't think Amy would have slept with Dave that night, but it's not because I don't think she had every right to or because I think she was supposed to sit on a shelf and wait for Sheldon to decide he wanted her. I think she wouldn't have slept with him because that's not who she is. Either because of her Mother's voice in her head or because of her own personal preferences or because of a lack of opportunities until recent years, Amy remained a virgin until into her 30s. It's likely a combination of those factors, but for whatever reason, Amy is a bit fastidious and not so quick to share her body. She's also hurting and in love with another man. As jenafan rightly points out, that could well have caused her to act recklessly with Dave, but I think it would also have served as another voice in her head, "He's not who you want." She's a romantic, our pragmatic little scientist.

Now, might she have let herself experience a little intimacy with Dave? I think she might well have allowed herself "distracted make out session on the couch" before she sent him on his way. Would it have gone farther on a later date? Well, clearly Amy is more open to sexual experimentation that Sheldon had shown himself to be to this point. This is a woman who volunteered for an orgasm study, was willing to sleep with a hot stranger before he revealed himself to be a moron, and had an electric toothbrush she named Gerard. So let's say I'm glad Sheldon came to his senses in time and we don't have to find out :) 

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2 minutes ago, Gbb said:

All of this.

I don't think Amy would have slept with Dave that night, but it's not because I don't think she had every right to or because I think she was supposed to sit on a shelf and wait for Sheldon to decide he wanted her. I think she wouldn't have slept with him because that's not who she is. Either because of her Mother's voice in her head or because of her own personal preferences or because of a lack of opportunities until recent years, Amy remained a virgin until into her 30s  It's likely a combination of those factors, but for whatever reason, Amu is a bit fastidious and not so quick to share her body. She's also hurting. As jenafan rightly points out, that could well have caused her to act recklessly with Dave, but I think it would also have served as another voice in her head, "He's not who you want." She's a romantic, our pragmatic little scientist.

Now, might she have let herself experience a little intimacy with Dave? I think she might well have allowed herself "distracted make out session on the couch" before she sent him on his way. Would it have gone farther on a later date? Well, clearly Amy is more open to sexual experimentation that Sheldon had shown himself to be to this point. This is a woman who volunteered for an orgasm study, was willing to sleep with a hot stranger before he revealed himself to be a moron, and had an electric toothbrush she named Guiseppe. So let's say I'm glad Sheldon came to his senses in time and we don't have to find out :) 

"Gerard" :wink:

Remember Guiseppe was their little turtle-baby wannabe, I find it funny you confused such opposite subjects for a moment!

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5 hours ago, jenafan said:

I still cannot get over how much of a giant tree Dave really is.   Sheldon and Amy are like tiny bugs next to him. 

You know Sheldon and Amy totally heard what he has saying and chose to ignore him, otherwise Amy wouldn't have known to kick the door shut as he was walking out.   I enjoy the way Sheldon doesn't care that they are being watched or that he is being worshipped, that his total focus is on Amy.   I mean, Dave called him sir.

Amy must be intoxicated by his baby powder and being able to caress those back and shoulder muscles.   She is one lucky girl.   Goes all her life without a guy, and she lands Sheldon.   Wow just Wow!    Yeah, the guy is annoying, but he's definitely got enough charm to make up for it.

It seems Mayim and Jim are trying not to laugh into each other's mouths.   I'll take it that Amy is just extremely happy that Sheldon is kissing her the way he is.

If Jim did try to tongue her, I wonder what she had to say about it later.

 

 

lol i took the kick to the door metaphorically as "um okay im done with you dave, bye bye"

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3 hours ago, tayryn said:

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Aw crap I didn't mean to quote this again !!! But you know - enjoy !

Anyway just popped back to say - not that I'm looking at gifs again !!!!- but if I was , I might have noticed that kiss number one ,

A. I love the looks Sheldon gives between Amy  and Dave after Dave gives his " kiss her you brilliant fool " line - so cute and adorable - with a hint of " alright I'm gonna , don't need you to tell me !!" Haha ...., and

B. When Sheldon puts is lower arm round Amy he lifts her up slightly !, to to adorable !!! 

Ok im off to re watch some smooching :) 

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