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6 hours ago, jenafan said:

I laughed when Penny referred to Amy being an old woman (I'm assuming because of how much she likes vintage) but not being old enough to have a song from the 60's written about her.   I think Amy would actually end up liking this song and want to learn to play it on her harp.

I never cared for the song, but I thought it was a good choice by the writers, not only for the lyrics, but it was obscure enough that no one would be able to guess it off the top of their head.   Obviously, Sheldon had heard it somewhere in his past, maybe in his childhood, and the tune etched itself somewhere in his brain and surfaced as a result of his current situation reminding him of the song. 

Most people have the ability to block out things they don't want to face.   If one doesn't want to see something, all one has to do is close the eyes.   This is not the case for Sheldon.    He has an eidetic memory.   He doesn't just forget things.   He couldn't avoid the song in his head, and he couldn't see the artist, title, or lyrics when he closed his eyes.   I can understand how this would drive him bat crazy and why he thought something was wrong with him.     The only way to scratch the brain itch was to repeat the song over and over, until it became an unending cycle.

Indeed there was something wrong.   Sheldon's subconscious was telling him to stop denying his heart and wasting his opportunity to get Amy back. 

Sheldon had been repressing his hurt and pain over his loss of Amy, and not wanting to go through it again, he thought it would be enough to just be friends with her.    However, I think learning that Amy was wanting to be his girlfriend again is what opened his subconscious up to rethink his situation.   The more he tried not to think about her as his girlfriend, the more he realized that he wanted her to be his girlfriend.

Sheldon's "madness"  over this earworm stuck in his head gave him an opportunity to acknowledge the goodness and dependency of the people in his life, that being Leonard and Penny.  More importantly, since the Spoke documentary, now equipped with an awareness of his previously suppressed emotions, Sheldon was able to unlock them through the lyrics of this song.  Basically the song allowed him to express things about Amy that he wasn't able to do on his own, causing him to recognize what Amy has done for him and how much he really does love her.

As cheesy as it seemed to be to have the song playing while Shamy were kissing the 2nd time, I thought it was well suited for the scene.   All of Sheldon's mental anguish was released when Amy purposely ignored his polite means of allowing her continue her date with Dave, pulled him back after he tried to leave, and he took her in his arms knowing she was his again.  Sheldon finally had closure on his dilemma.   Like I said in an earlier post, I felt like I was watching the end of Happy Days, not TBBT.   However, I loved it, nonetheless.

I think there was an article vonmar referenced last night that remarked on the significance of Sheldon being able to tie his feelings to a pop song.   It just goes to show how far he has come with embracing his emotional side, allowing things he would normally reject to assist him with working through his issues.   His hippy dippy is showing.     I like it.   I like it a lot.   I didn't think I would, but I do, and he still Sheldon.   This is the real Sheldon with a happy face.   Can it get any better?

On another note, Sheldon may have told Penny that he doesn't like the Beach Boy's, but if you look closely while he is sitting in his spot listening to the song on his laptop, he is lightly moving to its beat.

 

 

 

i used to love listening to the beach boys when i was a young teen in the late 70s, they were considered sort of oldies then still. darlin' isnt a fan favorite with me either but it did make me think of a more innocent and kid-like time, qualities i associate with Shamy. 

the song and lyrics fit well for the moment to me :)

 

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1 hour ago, cutiepie said:

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I am surprised that after this wonderful episode, you prefer to discuss what would have happened with Dave and Amy, but I find interesting every point of view about this. Although I think it is open to interpretation by each one of us and will never know for sure.

But I propose another topic, I noticed that in the vanity card is something about regret. I don't know but it seems weird but then again I've never paid attention to this. "In a future vanity card I will explain how to handle regret. Like cookies, it involves breaking it into bite-sized pieces."

On the other hand, we can also continue to admire these gifs

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OMG her hand!!! Dead.

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4 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

OMFG!!!  Do you guys SERIOUSLY not know who the fuck Amy Farrah Fowler is??!!  She's NOT Penny (no offense but here me out).  Or even more accurate, Leonard.

I can see Penny, hell even Bernie, sleep with someone on a rebound.  But Amy?  The big talker?  The one who's all bark and no bite?  I highly doubt Dave would've gotten past 2nd base, if that.  She's inexperienced.  And as nervous and shaky as she is with SHELDON, someone she's known for over 5 years, do you really think she'd actually sleep with Dave that night?  Someone she's only known for less than 6 months?  

Granted, she's "ahead" of Sheldon in regards to social stuff but not by much.  And she also doesn't like being touched.  Like I said after the TR, she pulled away with that first kiss and even after seeing it, it was still a first reaction which is telling.  Sure she said she was being silly and went in for the kiss.  But sex is a hell of a lot more serious than kissing.  And I honestly believe Amy wouldn't have let it go that far.  A girl like Amy isn't the type to just sleep with anyone.  If she was, she wouldn't still be a virgin.  

Well, she won't be one after next week.

wow how do you REALLY feel about this lol? no offense, but if you dont want to offend then maintaining a civil tone in the first sentence of this would make it less like a rant and more of a debate. apologies if ive contributed to your pending heart attack by opening up what i thought was a legitimate point to make.

now, on to reading some fun discussions on this forum...

 

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1 hour ago, cutiepie said:

I am surprised that after this wonderful episode, you prefer to discuss what would have happened with Dave and Amy, but I find interesting every point of view about this. Although I think it is open to interpretation by each one of us and will never know for sure.

For me, I blame my degree in English and Journalism.   I spent the majority of my college years dissecting literature, reading between the lines to ascertain what the authors really meant by what they wrote, analyzing what-if scenarios, and creating alternate outcomes based on those scenarios.   I do the same when I watch TBBT, because it is essentially a written story put on screen, and I put my heart and soul into these characters.    I am constantly attempting to analyze what a character is thinking, feeling, what they might have happened had the situation been different, words that weren't said but should have been said, etc.   For me, it's never just about what I see on screen or bad and happy endings, but sometimes it's the middle and what happens off screen, or perhaps the voices in their heads that defines the characters.   That is why I am a huge fan of internal dialogue in fiction.

It's not a preference per say, as it is an annoying itch that needs to be scratched.    Amy's conversation with Bernie irritated me, and when I found someone else on the forum who was on my team, the flood gates opened, for lack of a better term.    People love to point the finger at Sheldon and his disruptive annoying habits and selfishness, but sometimes I think they fail to see that Amy has her own issues.   Amy is a confident, brilliant, and secure woman professionally.   However, she is socially insecure and inexperienced.  In my opinion, she makes poor decisions in her personal life when faced head-on with these insecurities.   She even said herself that if she had never met Penny, she could have been influenced to join a cult.   Amy takes a stand on many things, but when it comes to social behavior, I find that she is impressionable due to her need to be accepted.   I believe Sheldon feared Amy may eventually get that notch on her bedpost, which is why he kept broaching the subject with her and came very close to having his fears come true had he not stepped up when he did.

In the end, I think that what Sheldon has learned about Amy is that she needs for him to communicate with her, to tell and show her how he feels.   If he doesn't, then she is going to make up her own story and act according to her own conclusions, thereby leaving the what if scenario up to the interpretation of the audience.

As an example:  Was Blade Runner's Rick Deckard a human or replicant?   It goes without saying that it doesn't really matter because it has no bearing on the outcome of the film, but for 30+ years, the controversial perspective still holds the interest of some.   

To some analyzing Shamy is no different.   Yes, the end result turned out more than pleasant and satisfying, but again, to some, it's still interesting to try to fill in all the blanks in the middle.   Unfortunately in doing so, one may find an attribute about a character that is not as becoming as one had hoped or thought.  It doesn't ruin them.   It just means they are human and prone to weakness as a result, which makes it all the more heartwarming for me that in this case Sheldon showed up just in time.   We will never have to know just how far Amy was willing to go out of spite or how grateful she may have been that Sheldon's confession of his feelings stopped her from making a potential mistake.

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4 hours ago, jenafan said:

Sometimes, I just feel so wrong on here just for expressing an opinion because of the reaction I get.  I become tempted to leave the forum.  

Even though I wasn't quoted, I do believe this is in reference to my reply and agreement with 2L344.

I meant no insult to Amy at all, no was I implying that she was cheapening herself or being slutty if she had even considered sleeping with Dave.   However, she is over (30) years old, and she keeps saying she wants experience.     If she thought it was over with Sheldon, then I can see how she could possibly consider other options.

I'd like to remind everyone that no one thought Leonard would ever cheat on Penny by kissing another woman, but it happened.    Some of us never thought Amy would ever break up with Sheldon, would date, or kiss another guy.  It happened.

No one is saying Amy would have definitely slept with Dave.   All I said was that it was a possibility if Sheldon had not shown up when he did.  

Her conversation with Bernie seemed to indicate that Amy was thinking about it, enough for Bernie to remind her that she may want to reconsider who she wants her first time to be with.

we all have opinions and what ive enjoyed about the Shamy forum, as opposed to some of the other TBBt discussion forums, is generally we respect the differences rather than get a little nasty or personal like the other forums do. i hope that continues.

frankly, i made a point at the end of my comments related to Amy and the "what if" scenarios to say that my opinion in no way suggests Amy isnt hurt, confused, hopeless, etc and that i am HAPPY how things ended for Shamy (or more accuately, is BEGINNING). I do dare to disagree however in what MIGHT have happened had Sheldon not arrived that night.

i enjoy listening to a spirited debate and have from time to time been swayed by opposing arguments when theyve been thrown out there. 

there truly is no reason for fellow Shamy shippers to have at it on this forum. whats the point?

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5 hours ago, anna said:

I think Darlin' was the perfect song choice also because they needed to tie Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys into "brilliant minds descending into madness." That's how he realized what the song was. They needed a pretty obscure song but also a song that Sheldon might have heart growing up, and they also needed it to be by an artist who lost their marbles. None of those old bands like the Beatles, for example, had a member who fit that category. At least not to my knowledge.

The song might not be everyone's cup of tea (although knowing it's Shamy's song and it reminds me of them makes me love it quite a lot :wub:) but you gotta admit, with the criteria and the lyrics, it's pretty dang perfect. It also just sounds cute and quirky, like Shamy. :)

i totally agree! the beach boys, for those of us that remember listening to them lol, are reminiscent of care free and innocent fun, and darlin was kind of a sweet song, perfect for the Shamy innocence

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4 hours ago, jenafan said:

Melody, your posts are always respectful, even when you have an opposing view.   This is not my issue.

I have no problem with disagreement, but I do become oversensitive when profanity and sarcasm is used to imply that others are stupid for having a different view.   This is one of the reasons I stay out of the S9 discussion thread now.   It's all just a barrage of insults and attacks, and that is not the type of social interaction I want to participate in, as if an opinion is either right or wrong, which is neither.

I think everyone on here knows how huge of a Shamy shipper I am and how much I love Sheldon and Amy individually, but they are by no means perfect and without their flaws.   I am happy as all get out that they are back together, but what could have happened still remains a mystery and can be speculated upon in many different ways.   God forbid I should express something contrary to the paradisiacal world built around Sheldon and Amy as if I've become a traitor to my favorite characters or ship.    This is certainly not the case.

Sometimes I see past the fairy tale we all want to see and look at the "what if" scenario through the lenses of an alternate outcome.   When I watched the episode last night, Amy's conversation with Bernadette rubbed me the wrong way, and I even mentioned in my original post that some could misconstrue Amy's actions as her wanting to have sex with Dave.   When I saw 2L344's post, I became excited realizing that I'm not alone in my thinking that Amy was considering trying out Dave.    In my opinion, if Sheldon had not shown up, the date could have gone either way, and the result is just a matter of interpretation.

As I've mentioned before, people do things out of character when they feel desperate, and I believe Amy felt jilted and spiteful at Sheldon's rejection.   It was almost like she was saying, "Ok, if Sheldon doesn't want me then, I'll settle for someone who does because I'm tired of waiting around."   Like she told Dave, she didn't know what she was waiting for.  At this point, it isn't about love or emotion, but I think she just wanted to get the lack of experience over with, and Dave seemed a nice enough guy to her.    Perhaps it was just a bunch of wild talk at that point.

When it comes right down to it, as soon as Dave put his hands on her, true to character, she may have stopped it right there.   However, up until the moment Sheldon knocked on her door, she was definitely not behaving like the Amy we all love and know.  It seemed she was ready to settle with Dave.  

When Amy uses the word "Intimate," I do believe she is implying sex.   I believe this was what she meant when she told Bernie that maybe "Intimate" is what she needs, otherwise Bernie wouldn't have seen fit to make the metaphor that she did to try to get her point across that Amy may not be thinking rationally.    Amy uses the word "Intimate" when addressing Sheldon about his present next week.

I agree with you that Amy was relieved that Sheldon showed up and interrupted them, but had he not, anything could have happened.   She could very well have run back to tell Bernie that she regretted taking the driving test with a bus, that it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be because she reacted instead of paused to really think about what she had done before doing it.    Her actions wouldn't have been because she didn't love Sheldon anymore, but perhaps because she just felt like she was missing out on what everyone else around her had, and the one person she wants to be with had rejected her.  

I am glad that things worked out the way they did and that Shamy 2.0 is so on.   However, Amy's behavior has been questionable since the break up began and last night's episode just further confirmed to me that she is a very reactionary person and sometimes uses poor judgment to cope when she is hurting.   We are talking about the same woman who craved human contact, wanted a make out session with her "friend" Sheldon, and got drunk in a parking lot wanting Sheldon to have his way with her at a hotel because she felt unliked by Penny and Bernadette over the wedding dress nonsense.    I would think she would want these things more so having actually loved, kissed, and been rejected by Sheldon.  It just so happened Amy liked Dave enough to excuse his behavior during their last date and to have her over to her apartment, knowing he had an interest in her....      Why exactly?

 

perfectly said as always. ive said my peace about the f-bomb and sarcastic posting about this thread and you are entirely in your right to call it like you see it. 

in my opinion (and who else's opinion would i use lol) Amy is not the same gal we got to know in season 4. shes grown up in the last five years, her life experiences have matured her, and her approach to things are so much different. there are way too many examples to list to support this. heck, i never thought she would break up with Sheldon much less date other men...

the point i think you and i try to make is that Amy was vulnerable in 9.10...hurt, lonely, the love of her life seemingly gone from her life. She initiates a date with dave soon after sheldons rejection. even her friend bernie points out what SHE perceives as an ill conceived date that could lead to intimacy (which, among other definitions, IS sex).

now i dont think for one minute amy planned on sex when she made the date. but even after bernie makes her point amy suggests defiantly (imo) that maybe intimacy is what she needs. she didnt decide to change the dinner to a restaurant for instance...

and again, im not saying Amy was gonna have a roll in the hay that night with Dave. all i suggested originally was the possibility existed and that some of her behavior suggested she might not have opposed it at the time. people do it all the time, for some people it is out of character and they regret it later. 

you dont have to be a penny or a leonard to go there...its called being human. yes amy is an old soul, but lets remember in her mind sheldon was gone forever, and she had no way of knowing he was on his way over. to think she could possibly not have sex with anyone other than sheldon because her heart wasnt there i think is unrealistic. 

 not saying it was probable, just certainly possible. if folks disagree i respect that, and they could certainly be right. and if the writers ever weighed in with their opinion on the subject in support of that i would proclaim my ignorance of the human condition for all to hear lol!

 

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4 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

Yes and it wasn't that Sheldon didn't like the girl, but that she was not Amy...I think he made up in his mind that Amy would respond to the test and show up....at least in my head canon.  I think he liked the woman fine enough, but probably about the same way that Amy likes Dave.   They were someone to kill time with but nothing more....and yes out of spite in many ways.  I do think Amy was trying to move on half-heartedly thus her reason to call and invite Dave on a date.   Again, she felt rejected and needed something to fill the void she was filling and realized he was at least a nice guy.  But she was not really into him, just liked him enough to try again.

I still think that Amy's "naive, young innocent girl" side, along with her mother's repetitive voice in her mind about keeping hymens in tact, would have likely caused her to back off because I do believe that Amy is a person that has to feel something romantic toward someone....otherwise she could have had plenty of opportunities with people she knew more (such as Stuart or Kripke).   So it isn't just about getting it over with that was important, but I think she wanted to feel a part of something that the girls talk about all the time and not to be the brunt of their jokes any longer because of her lack of experience.   Thankfully we will never know and I am okay with not knowing that.   I am okay to live in my "dream world" of Amy too in love with Sheldon to settle for anyone else and lose her virginity with anyone else.   :laugh: 

lets face it though, stuart and kripke are kinda creepy on not her type (if we are using sheldon as some sort of type lol)...dave, however, is a better match. awkward but charming, and into amy enough to leap at the opportunity for another dinner date when she calls even after getting kicked out of the car!

 

i love the amy character, and this current season had me going every direction with her. there are things i saw that i didnt like frankly, behavior that was unlike the amy that i became fascinated with since her intro. there are questions even now that were left unanswered during this break up that we may never get closure on thanks to the writers never showing amy's end of the equation. im good with it, especially now that things never looked so good with Shamy...

i think some of us had taken particular notice of this angle and explored it a little thats all. no one is right or wrong, except in our own minds of course. nothing wrong in that!

at least it got some of us off the topic of sheldons biceps or tongue action in those kisses lol

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4 hours ago, Gbb said:

All of this.

I don't think Amy would have slept with Dave that night, but it's not because I don't think she had every right to or because I think she was supposed to sit on a shelf and wait for Sheldon to decide he wanted her. I think she wouldn't have slept with him because that's not who she is. Either because of her Mother's voice in her head or because of her own personal preferences or because of a lack of opportunities until recent years, Amy remained a virgin until into her 30s. It's likely a combination of those factors, but for whatever reason, Amy is a bit fastidious and not so quick to share her body. She's also hurting and in love with another man. As jenafan rightly points out, that could well have caused her to act recklessly with Dave, but I think it would also have served as another voice in her head, "He's not who you want." She's a romantic, our pragmatic little scientist.

Now, might she have let herself experience a little intimacy with Dave? I think she might well have allowed herself "distracted make out session on the couch" before she sent him on his way. Would it have gone farther on a later date? Well, clearly Amy is more open to sexual experimentation that Sheldon had shown himself to be to this point. This is a woman who volunteered for an orgasm study, was willing to sleep with a hot stranger before he revealed himself to be a moron, and had an electric toothbrush she named Gerard. So let's say I'm glad Sheldon came to his senses in time and we don't have to find out :) 

good points...i disagree, however, that her mom would influence her to keep it in her pants so to speak...amy recalled her mom "warned her" about the drug and alcohol fueled temptations that awaited her when penny offered to spice up her drink one episode, and amy replied "yes please!"...her mom is responsible for a lot of her issues because of the upbringing but i dont think amy the adult embraced some of her mom's advice.

except maybe in the way she eats bananas lol

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1 hour ago, 2L344 said:

i totally agree! the beach boys, for those of us that remember listening to them lol, are reminiscent of care free and innocent fun, and darlin was kind of a sweet song, perfect for the Shamy innocence

The copyright for Darlin' was probably cheaper than a more well known song as well.

I'm also wondering which of the writers is the huge Beach Boys fan, because I think you'd have to be a huge fan to know of the song in the first place.

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7 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

The copyright for Darlin' was probably cheaper than a more well known song as well.

I'm also wondering which of the writers is the huge Beach Boys fan, because I think you'd have to be a huge fan to know of the song in the first place.

i totally thought the same thing! one of the writers HAS to know enough about the beach boys to have come up with THAT song, as perfect as the lyrics are. my 14 year old daughter knows some old BB classics because every now and then one of their big hits gets some air time, but never Darlin'....

 

i also like the fact that Darlin' is an endearing southern word for a lady beau, and the Texan in Sheldon no doubt can relate this term with Amy

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Well. I'm 30 years old and I like listening to old bands (and songs) as The Beach Boys. :blush: I didn't know 'Darlin' but I like it, and it was a great find for describing their relationship.

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2 hours ago, Amy Fowler said:

Same. I love how she fiddled with the button on her cardigan. Just beautiful. 

Also. Muscle porn o'clock. God dam.

Cause I feel this needs to come over the page again. #drooling

I love the way you think :) 

Can't stop watching the gifs, make out amazing, but arm, hand yummie ness too :icon_redface:

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41 minutes ago, Listgirl said:

 

 

41 minutes ago, Listgirl said:

 

Yep. Looks like he had a good view

(sorry about the messy post, quote function is bugging me) :icon_rolleyes:

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29 minutes ago, veejay said:

Well, we have to ask Dave for any details…LOL

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:shy:

The whole tag was cracking me up with Dave taking a good look from all sides. And of course the height difference still amuses me to no end. lmao

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